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Post by tellusanother1 on 25.09.11 16:42

This may be old news but I found it interesting. Its dated September 17, 2011. The video itself is alot of the images we have already seen of Madeleine. There is a comment attached to the video. The woman has realized of her own accord that things are not as they appear with this case and this is the last video she is posting . Here is the link.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rspWXgHGQt8



Also of interest is this video she put together 2 years ago on May 5th, 2009



http://www.youtube.com/user/Fannie312#p/u/8/KCihQjlom4o



If you follow the time line in the review of first video - she indicated May 9th 2009 as the turning point of her opinion. I can only assume something about this interview jumped out at her and made things crystal clear.



It is truely unfortunate that she is closing the account down. McCann bullies hard at work again. Sigh.




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1.15 video 2

Post by tigger on 25.09.11 19:49

Kate says at 1.15 'that was the April we went to Portugal'. Zaival Beach? Is that when she died? But they need to have stayed at 5A??

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Post by russiandoll on 25.09.11 20:29

im intrigued. can you elaborate a little please?

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Post by Guest on 25.09.11 23:54

Tigger: this video has been posted here before but, try as I might, I can't find it again. It was much clearer then that Kate said "that was the YEAR BEFORE we went to Portugal" which of course was very strange as she had just referred to a drawing done in April 2007.

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Post by Marian on 26.09.11 13:50

I think it's possible that she says "the April we went to Portugal". She sort of stumbles over the word.

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Russian doll, April 07

Post by tigger on 26.09.11 14:08

@russiandoll wrote:im intrigued. can you elaborate a little please?

There is a theory, on Zaival beach topic and on the Burgau topic that they were there Easter 07, which would have been around the 8th.
Curiously, the photographs of 5a on 3/5 show four passports lying neatly on top of each other. I'm trying to track a poster who once sent a photograph from the PJ files of four boarding passes. This would mean that Maddie was never on that flight.
The theory is that Maddie may have fallen ill or died earlier and that the May holiday was the cleaning up operation. It would explain quite a few things, but throws up problems of its own of course. Such as the dogs in 5a.
Tony Bennett thinks that some very doubtful photographs were taken at an apartment in Burgau and there is a connection with Murat.

Obviously the PJ know a lot more than we do, since they haven't published all their evidence and reports.

It's just that in this video clip I've come as close as I ever will to feeling sorry for Kate. Because she seems genuinely distressed, I think the slip of the tongue is meaningful.
Showing the drawings Maddie made only makes me wonder where her drawings from PdL are? Logically, you'd have at least one piece of her 'last' work on the wall.
That bit strikes me as stage setting. There do not seem to be drawings by the twins there, perhaps that little art exhibition was for the interview.

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Post by russiandoll on 26.09.11 17:17

there are times when Kate looks and sounds genuinely distressed and that I believe is because she is. unless I am wrong the posters on this forum believe Madeleine is no longer alive, therefore she is going through bereavment ;whatever else she has done to cover up an accidental death she is a grieving woman. Whatever has befallen Madeleine, she is lost forever.
Can you help me tigger as I am quite new on here and am a major McCann skeptic[ I think the little girl died May 2 from what I have read so far], I have seen some posts which seem to suggest or say outright that " it was all planned to make money". what is " it" exactly?
Please tell me that people on here do not think this couple intentionally killed their daughter to gain financially? That is a step too far for me and I cant see the basis for that belief in anything I have read.

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A few main points.

Post by tigger on 26.09.11 18:15

In 'Two secrets for the price of one' I tried to set out what I think. I still think the same, but now, thanks to Stella's work on the strange collection of powerful people at PdL at that time I think that it is a likely scenario.
The McCanns are simply not important enough to merit that amount of help and protection. Therefore there must be another reason. If you read the rather long topic on' Would this account for the unprecedented level etc. ' Near the end you'll see my posts.

But Maddie's death is due to her parents IMO. I tried everything to avoid the premeditation - the p word, but:

On the night of the 3/4 May, the PJ police saw, around 3.00 am, one of the T9 walking around with two piles of photographs and posters.
The poster, where Maddie sits in a chair and with handwritten message around it, was photocopied/printed at MW office. However, 30 to 40 copies of the iconic photo of the tiny girl with the coloboma was ready in A4 format, quality photo paper and could not have been printed at MW or indeed anywhere else in PdL. Certainly not at that time in the morning. The PJ checked and that particular brand of paper was unobtainable in PdL. (They found a specious excuse for it, a girl who worked there, had a Kodak printer which could work from an USB key (having that ready with the required photos is strange in itself). This printer was never found, allegedly gone to Switserland and then got lost. It still didn't explain the paper.
We now know that eye defect had to have been photoshopped in, in fact that whole photo is heavily doctored and is a photo of Maddie when she was around 2.5 yrs old. So how would that be ready within hours of her disappearance? IMO that must have been done prior to the holiday.

They did not need any money to find Maddie. Half of Portugal was looking for her (except her parents), the internet and media broadcast it all over the world, free of charge. The police forces of the whole of Europe were looking for her. Free of charge.
The first website was up in a few days, already asking for donations. The Fund was set up in record time. Their spokesman asked the public: 'put some money in an envelope and address it: Kate and Gerry, Rothley, it will get there.

By the way, that clip of Gerry on the balcony was taken by a journalist I think, after an interview. Gerry is clearly enjoying himself. It's also curious that when asked by Mrs. Fenn what happened, he said 'a little girl was missing'. Outside the court in Lisbon, years later, he kept saying :"it's about this girl'.
OK, this girl, not your very own daughter?

How Maddie actually died, I don't know, I think it's a case of 'letting it happen on purpose' . I'm also convinced Maddie was not a healthy girl. I have some ideas that I'd rather not put down here. But keep the Gaspar's statement in mind. Maddie was due to start school that year.
I know how hard it is to imagine a parent killing their child. I can't see them physically doing that. But also bear in mind that IMO Kate has quite a temper and probably an alcohol problem.

But had her death been an accident, they would have had all the help they've had anyway, if they had a direct line to all these VIPs.
Even if a PM result needed to be squashed, the same people who got the FSS to change their report could more easily have done that.
Faking abduction wasn't necessary, except there wouldn't be any money.

'The cracked mirror' on the McCannfiles is very good to read for background.

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Post by Daisy on 26.09.11 19:46

@russiandoll wrote:
Can you help me tigger as I am quite new on here and am a major McCann skeptic[ I think the little girl died May 2 from what I have read so far], I have seen some posts which seem to suggest or say outright that " it was all planned to make money". what is " it" exactly?

Please tell me that people on here do not think this couple
intentionally killed their daughter to gain financially? That is a step
too far for me and I cant see the basis for that belief in anything I
have read.

Hi russiandoll, I'm confused now. You believe Madeleine died on the 2nd May? Yet you can't entertain the idea that there was any premeditation? 'This couple' have waged a four year campaign that has netted millions (mostly from folk that can ill afford it). Worse than that, they have petrified a whole generation both nationally and internationally with their bogus abduction story. The damage this 'story' has done is untold; the effect it must have had on the human psyche devastating. If you believe the child is dead, how can it be a step too far when they're capable of this kind of (global) scam?

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thanks daisy and tigger

Post by russiandoll on 26.09.11 23:20

a lot of food for thought, I am slowly going through this site, it is chock full of information and I am also cross referencing with mccann files which is excellent and which was the starting point for my research. I have been uneasy about this case from day1.
I will read what you have directed me too tigger and thanks for giving all your reasoning regarding what has happened,
It is a big jump for me to go from covering up either an accident or unintentional death at the hand of a parent who was over zealous with discipline and lost it..........to the cold blooded murder of their own child the motive being apparently financial gain on the back of a fraud. I am confused and its to do with the fact that I clearly have not read all of the incriminating info. If this is factual not speculation then I will of course have to accept as Tigger has that the fund was planned before the 3 May. I have been inclined to think that the group of them[ boasted about by Kate as being calm and controlled in a crisis] had an eye for the main chance and saw an opportunity to profit from the accidental death of their child. Disgusting enough. If I am persuaded by the arguments Tigger has directed me to , then its a dreadful conclusion to come to. Daisy , so I am totally clear about it,are you saying that you believe the death of Maddie was planned and a cold blooded murder took place solely to make money? And it was not an accidental death as amaral thinks?

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Post by Daisy on 27.09.11 13:45

@russiandoll wrote:a lot of food for thought, I am slowly going through this site, it is chock full of information and I am also cross referencing with mccann files which is excellent and which was the starting point for my research. I have been uneasy about this case from day1.
I will read what you have directed me too tigger and thanks for giving all your reasoning regarding what has happened,
It is a big jump for me to go from covering up either an accident or unintentional death at the hand of a parent who was over zealous with discipline and lost it..........to the cold blooded murder of their own child the motive being apparently financial gain on the back of a fraud. I am confused and its to do with the fact that I clearly have not read all of the incriminating info. If this is factual not speculation then I will of course have to accept as Tigger has that the fund was planned before the 3 May. I have been inclined to think that the group of them[ boasted about by Kate as being calm and controlled in a crisis] had an eye for the main chance and saw an opportunity to profit from the accidental death of their child. Disgusting enough. If I am persuaded by the arguments Tigger has directed me to , then its a dreadful conclusion to come to. Daisy , so I am totally clear about it,are you saying that you believe the death of Maddie was planned and a cold blooded murder took place solely to make money? And it was not an accidental death as amaral thinks?

Hello russiandoll, no, I'm not saying that. I've already stated elsewhere on here that I'm not even 100% (probably 95%) convinced that Madeleine is dead. However, from the research I've come across and closely studied and the actions and behaviour of team McCann themselves I'm strongly leaning towards the probability that there was preplanning in Madeleines 'disappearance'. No, I don't believe she was 'murdered' for financial gain, but there's no denying her parents/family and rest of the team (lawyers, PR, etc..) have since made a lot of money out of this ongoing mystery.

What I am convinced of is: the McCanns know exactly what happened to Madeleine and yet they carry on with the hoax of the century for four long years; because of this and my belief that these people are at best sociopaths and at worst psychopaths, my mind remains open. Hope this explains. I can understand your reluctance to not believe the worst of them, but that's because you're not a narcissistic sociopath.

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thanks daisy

Post by russiandoll on 27.09.11 20:27

I have read some more of your posts Daisy and I get where you are coming from now. I think we are thinking along very similar lines really. the possible peadophilia aspect is one thing I would appreciate more info on as it really is too much to consider. The whole thing stinks to high heaven and yes I am convinced the pair know what happened to their daughter. am curious, what conclusions have you reached regarding possible scenarios as you ve done more research than I have from the look of things

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