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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Pascal on 29.01.10 0:57

@Autumn wrote:Hi Kololi and Pascal

Wondering what your thoughts are concerning Mark William Thomas's comments about re-opening the investigation, go back to square one and examine everything in the police files in close detail? Whichever side of the camp you are in, I cannot see why anyone would not wish for this to happen - he believes the answer lies within the files and, given that there have been no developments, surely he makes a fair point?

From what I have seen of them, I believe Gerry has taken to the 'celeb' lifestyle like a duck to water - I am not being flippant when I say that I would not be surprised to see him turn up on on GMTV in the celeb Doc Slot.
As for kate, she seems to going through the motions, existing rather than living - she does not appear to be narcissistic like Gerry and has enough grasp on reality to know that her life is a sham. Kate is trapped within her own hell - there can be no release for her until she takes control.

Hope that makes some sense.

The case should be reopened without a shadow of a doubt. This time Kate might feel more confident to answer questions. Perhaps the Uk police could be involved too. Although more resources and money spent, it would surely lay the matter to rest and Madeleine is still missing.

I agree with you re Gerry McCann. I think I've already said that he sets my teeth on edge. Kate, I feel for because she does appear to be in the most dreadful turmoil. It must be a living nightmare for her - no matter what has happened to Madeleine. Have you thought that perhaps she is wracked with guilt and pain for leaving her children alone? Maybe she can't talk about it or offload her feelings. Who would know except her and those closest to her perhaps? I thought that photo of her with her husband at the event was so very sad.

The difference is, if you don't mind my saying, is that you appear to hate both of them with a passion and that isn't good for anyone including yourself. Hatred only lends itself to a skewed vision of what is really happening. Your personal dislikes are stopping you from evaluating the details of the case objectively. Just sayin'.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Pascal on 29.01.10 1:01

@bellatrix wrote:Absolutely NO similarities imo

Of course there isn't. It's a ridiculous analogy and one that I find particularly offensive.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Autumn on 29.01.10 1:10

@Pascal wrote:
@Autumn wrote:Hi Kololi and Pascal

Wondering what your thoughts are concerning Mark William Thomas's comments about re-opening the investigation, go back to square one and examine everything in the police files in close detail? Whichever side of the camp you are in, I cannot see why anyone would not wish for this to happen - he believes the answer lies within the files and, given that there have been no developments, surely he makes a fair point?

From what I have seen of them, I believe Gerry has taken to the 'celeb' lifestyle like a duck to water - I am not being flippant when I say that I would not be surprised to see him turn up on on GMTV in the celeb Doc Slot.
As for kate, she seems to going through the motions, existing rather than living - she does not appear to be narcissistic like Gerry and has enough grasp on reality to know that her life is a sham. Kate is trapped within her own hell - there can be no release for her until she takes control.

Hope that makes some sense.

The case should be reopened without a shadow of a doubt. This time Kate might feel more confident to answer questions. Perhaps the Uk police could be involved too. Although more resources and money spent, it would surely lay the matter to rest and Madeleine is still missing.

I agree with you re Gerry McCann. I think I've already said that he sets my teeth on edge. Kate, I feel for because she does appear to be in the most dreadful turmoil. It must be a living nightmare for her - no matter what has happened to Madeleine. Have you thought that perhaps she is wracked with guilt and pain for leaving her children alone? Maybe she can't talk about it or offload her feelings. Who would know except her and those closest to her perhaps? I thought that photo of her with her husband at the event was so very sad.

The difference is, if you don't mind my saying, is that you appear to hate both of them with a passion and that isn't good for anyone including yourself. Hatred only lends itself to a skewed vision of what is really happening. Your personal dislikes are stopping you from evaluating the details of the case objectively. Just sayin'.




Read Little Pixie's touching post on this thread and, hopefully, you will gain some insight into my feelings about them. Also, you may wish to take time to read some beautiful poetry by Susie Porter on the poet thread (readers' comments).

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by vaguely1 on 29.01.10 1:15

Read Little Pixie's touching post on this thread and, hopefully, you will gain some insight into my feelings about them.

I'd have thought more insight as to your feelings could be gained by reading your own posts, rather than LPs post.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Pascal on 29.01.10 1:23

Autumn, I'm not having a go. I'm just pointing out that your own personal dislike of the McCanns may be clouding your vision some.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by aliberte2 on 29.01.10 3:23

@littlepixie wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:I'm sure those charities will benefit greatly. This is good news.

Well, imo, it isn't good news that these charities feel the need to align themselves to Rothley's very own KING AND QUEEN in order to raise money.


With hindsight, I can see how my comments may have upset others and apologise for any offence caused. As stated in an earlier post, I was commenting on the McCanns' public image NOT their actions.

My brother is buried less than a stones throw from the grave of one of the Moors Murder Victims. I was there the day she was buried some 20 odd years after Brady and Hindley hid her in a secret grave. They refused for all those years to tell her family where she was buried and denied her a decent Christian burial. They couldn't even remember where they buried poor Keith Bennett.

IF the McCanns hid Maddies body and are refusing to tell where she is and are refusing her a decent burial and a death certificate then I see similarities between them and Brady and Hindley.

They are worse in some ways if guilty of the above because they were her parents.

She is Still Their Child, Not a Random Stranger and a Random Family that they are Preventing from Knowing the Truth about Their Child and Their Burial Place.

There is No Comparison.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Autumn on 29.01.10 4:13

@Pascal wrote:
@Autumn wrote:Hi Kololi and Pascal

Wondering what your thoughts are concerning Mark William Thomas's comments about re-opening the investigation, go back to square one and examine everything in the police files in close detail? Whichever side of the camp you are in, I cannot see why anyone would not wish for this to happen - he believes the answer lies within the files and, given that there have been no developments, surely he makes a fair point?

From what I have seen of them, I believe Gerry has taken to the 'celeb' lifestyle like a duck to water - I am not being flippant when I say that I would not be surprised to see him turn up on on GMTV in the celeb Doc Slot.
As for kate, she seems to going through the motions, existing rather than living - she does not appear to be narcissistic like Gerry and has enough grasp on reality to know that her life is a sham. Kate is trapped within her own hell - there can be no release for her until she takes control.

Hope that makes some sense.

The case should be reopened without a shadow of a doubt. This time Kate might feel more confident to answer questions. Perhaps the Uk police could be involved too. Although more resources and money spent, it would surely lay the matter to rest and Madeleine is still missing.

I agree with you re Gerry McCann. I think I've already said that he sets my teeth on edge. Kate, I feel for because she does appear to be in the most dreadful turmoil. It must be a living nightmare for her - no matter what has happened to Madeleine. Have you thought that perhaps she is wracked with guilt and pain for leaving her children alone? Maybe she can't talk about it or offload her feelings. Who would know except her and those closest to her perhaps? I thought that photo of her with her husband at the event was so very sad.

The difference is, if you don't mind my saying, is that you appear to hate both of them with a passion and that isn't good for anyone including yourself. Hatred only lends itself to a skewed vision of what is really happening. Your personal dislikes are stopping you from evaluating the details of the case objectively. Just sayin'.


Susie Porter says it so much better than you, Pascal -


susie porter wrote:
Oh sweet child
of where life begins.
you were
a lovely little
mother
to those
twins
you
are
where life
ends begins......
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How sad
the tears
Of a child,
all alone
In darkness,
Gone.....
She's Gone........
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when truth is painted over with lovely,
candles burning,it does not replace,
the past,
that children cried,
alone aghast.
Their fear,
Their pain,
And sorrow,
for Madeleine,
no tomorrow,
no childhood,life,
for her just tears,
Her end of life......

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To Madeleine.
I feel so sad,
You were left alone.
This should never be,
you were only three....
how you suffered
no one knows,
but you are sweet,
as a precious rose

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Autumn on 29.01.10 8:55

@aliberte2 wrote:
@littlepixie wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:I'm sure those charities will benefit greatly. This is good news.

Well, imo, it isn't good news that these charities feel the need to align themselves to Rothley's very own KING AND QUEEN in order to raise money.


With hindsight, I can see how my comments may have upset others and apologise for any offence caused. As stated in an earlier post, I was commenting on the McCanns' public image NOT their actions.

My brother is buried less than a stones throw from the grave of one of the Moors Murder Victims. I was there the day she was buried some 20 odd years after Brady and Hindley hid her in a secret grave. They refused for all those years to tell her family where she was buried and denied her a decent Christian burial. They couldn't even remember where they buried poor Keith Bennett.

IF the McCanns hid Maddies body and are refusing to tell where she is and are refusing her a decent burial and a death certificate then I see similarities between them and Brady and Hindley.

They are worse in some ways if guilty of the above because they were her parents.

She is Still Their Child, Not a Random Stranger and a Random Family that they are Preventing from Knowing the Truth about Their Child and Their Burial Place.

There is No Comparison.


If the McCanns have hidden Maddie's body and, by refusing to reveal where she is, continue to deny her a decent burial, they are evil beyond belief.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Kololi on 29.01.10 11:52

Hi Autumn
I am no McCann fan purely from the angle of them being so ruddy selfish that night that one of their children is now missing, however the key word in your post above is, "IF".

IF they have hidden her body. Nobody has the evidence to prove that they did do that although I do agree that there are things that do not add up and make one suspicious of what they have and haven't done.

You said it yourself Autumn - IF - that's a big word when you think it actually is only two letters long.

Take care.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by littlepixie on 29.01.10 12:17

@aliberte2 wrote:
@littlepixie wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:I'm sure those charities will benefit greatly. This is good news.

Well, imo, it isn't good news that these charities feel the need to align themselves to Rothley's very own KING AND QUEEN in order to raise money.


With hindsight, I can see how my comments may have upset others and apologise for any offence caused. As stated in an earlier post, I was commenting on the McCanns' public image NOT their actions.

My brother is buried less than a stones throw from the grave of one of the Moors Murder Victims. I was there the day she was buried some 20 odd years after Brady and Hindley hid her in a secret grave. They refused for all those years to tell her family where she was buried and denied her a decent Christian burial. They couldn't even remember where they buried poor Keith Bennett.

IF the McCanns hid Maddies body and are refusing to tell where she is and are refusing her a decent burial and a death certificate then I see similarities between them and Brady and Hindley.

They are worse in some ways if guilty of the above because they were her parents.

She is Still Their Child, Not a Random Stranger and a Random Family that they are Preventing from Knowing the Truth about Their Child and Their Burial Place.

There is No Comparison.

If they have hidden her grave there is every comparison.

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Post by vaguely1 on 29.01.10 12:55

there's the old IF again.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Pascal on 29.01.10 13:26

@Autumn wrote:
@Pascal wrote:
@Autumn wrote:Hi Kololi and Pascal

Wondering what your thoughts are concerning Mark William Thomas's comments about re-opening the investigation, go back to square one and examine everything in the police files in close detail? Whichever side of the camp you are in, I cannot see why anyone would not wish for this to happen - he believes the answer lies within the files and, given that there have been no developments, surely he makes a fair point?

From what I have seen of them, I believe Gerry has taken to the 'celeb' lifestyle like a duck to water - I am not being flippant when I say that I would not be surprised to see him turn up on on GMTV in the celeb Doc Slot.
As for kate, she seems to going through the motions, existing rather than living - she does not appear to be narcissistic like Gerry and has enough grasp on reality to know that her life is a sham. Kate is trapped within her own hell - there can be no release for her until she takes control.

Hope that makes some sense.

The case should be reopened without a shadow of a doubt. This time Kate might feel more confident to answer questions. Perhaps the Uk police could be involved too. Although more resources and money spent, it would surely lay the matter to rest and Madeleine is still missing.

I agree with you re Gerry McCann. I think I've already said that he sets my teeth on edge. Kate, I feel for because she does appear to be in the most dreadful turmoil. It must be a living nightmare for her - no matter what has happened to Madeleine. Have you thought that perhaps she is wracked with guilt and pain for leaving her children alone? Maybe she can't talk about it or offload her feelings. Who would know except her and those closest to her perhaps? I thought that photo of her with her husband at the event was so very sad.

The difference is, if you don't mind my saying, is that you appear to hate both of them with a passion and that isn't good for anyone including yourself. Hatred only lends itself to a skewed vision of what is really happening. Your personal dislikes are stopping you from evaluating the details of the case objectively. Just sayin'.


Susie Porter says it so much better than you, Pascal -


susie porter wrote:
Oh sweet child
of where life begins.
you were
a lovely little
mother
to those
twins
you
are
where life
ends begins......
January 27, 2010 6:36 PM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk Recommend? (8) Report Abuse
Permalink


susie porter wrote:
How sad
the tears
Of a child,
all alone
In darkness,
Gone.....
She's Gone........
January 27, 2010 6:24 PM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk Recommend? (13) Report Abuse
Permalink


susie porter wrote:
when truth is painted over with lovely,
candles burning,it does not replace,
the past,
that children cried,
alone aghast.
Their fear,
Their pain,
And sorrow,
for Madeleine,
no tomorrow,
no childhood,life,
for her just tears,
Her end of life......

January 27, 2010 6:02 PM GMT on community.timesonline.co.uk Recommend? (20) Report Abuse


susie porter wrote:
To Madeleine.
I feel so sad,
You were left alone.
This should never be,
you were only three....
how you suffered
no one knows,
but you are sweet,
as a precious rose


Yes, but I don't pretend to be a poet Autumn and I'm not filled with bitterness..

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Pascal on 29.01.10 13:27

Little P. I dare you to write to Keith Bennets mother and tell her the same.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Kololi on 29.01.10 14:30

Hi
Let's play devil's advocate......

If an abductor has stolen Madeleine, besides being neglectful and selfish, would the McCanns still be in the same league as Myra Hindley and Ian Brady?

Take care

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by aliberte2 on 29.01.10 15:02

@littlepixie wrote:

If they have hidden her grave there is every comparison.

Why? Because You're Bothered By It? The Fact is Even if the McCanns are Doing that, They Didn't Take a Random Stranger's Child, Murder Him or Her and Not Come Forward For Years as That Child's Family Begged and Pleaded and Had No Idea what Had Happened to Him. You Didn't Know Madeleine. Whatever Pain and Grief You May Think you Feel isn't the Same as that of the Families of Those Victims. There isn't A Comparison. It's STILL very Different.

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Post by twinkle on 29.01.10 16:08

If you are going to use that reasoning, then the IF could be applied to absolutely anything or anyone. Total nonsense.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by bellatrix on 29.01.10 17:07

@littlepixie wrote:
@aliberte2 wrote:
@littlepixie wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:I'm sure those charities will benefit greatly. This is good news.

Well, imo, it isn't good news that these charities feel the need to align themselves to Rothley's very own KING AND QUEEN in order to raise money.


With hindsight, I can see how my comments may have upset others and apologise for any offence caused. As stated in an earlier post, I was commenting on the McCanns' public image NOT their actions.

My brother is buried less than a stones throw from the grave of one of the Moors Murder Victims. I was there the day she was buried some 20 odd years after Brady and Hindley hid her in a secret grave. They refused for all those years to tell her family where she was buried and denied her a decent Christian burial. They couldn't even remember where they buried poor Keith Bennett.

IF the McCanns hid Maddies body and are refusing to tell where she is and are refusing her a decent burial and a death certificate then I see similarities between them and Brady and Hindley.

They are worse in some ways if guilty of the above because they were her parents.

She is Still Their Child, Not a Random Stranger and a Random Family that they are Preventing from Knowing the Truth about Their Child and Their Burial Place.

There is No Comparison.

If they have hidden her grave there is every comparison.



Utter twaddle.Brady and Hindley abducted and tortured children for their own sick pleasure and sexual gratification.IF either of them had been released and begun campaigning for Madeleine and against the McCanns I am sure their past crimes would have been conveniently forgotten and they would be hailed as heroes a la John Hirst.Funny old world aint it?

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Kololi on 29.01.10 17:16

Hi Twinkle
It's not nonsense at all.

It reminds us that we are guessing and that none of us know exactly what the McCanns did or didn't do, or whether there was an abductor or there wasn't. It seems under those circumstances, therefore, rather odd to summise that they are the same as Hindley and Brady when the best that can be offered is an "IF".

I am sure that if the investigation reaches a point where it can be shown to be fact that they have killed their daughter and led the world on a merry dance whilst not allowing Madeleine a proper burial, the world will join with you and compare them with a lot worse than that pair, but until then do we actually have a right to make such a comparison?

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Post by twinkle on 29.01.10 19:22

My post was referring to the nonsense of comparing the McCanns to the moors murders by using an argument that IF they did it they would be as bad.
I agree Koloki, nobody knows who did what, when, where or why. To make comparisons as extreme as the one made on the basis of IF is ridiculous.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Kololi on 29.01.10 23:17

Hi Twinkle
My apologies in full.

It didn't read like that possibly because your post followed mine and Alberte's so in my brunnette moment it seemed to be saying nonsense to us. Again, sorry for missunderstanding - my mistake.

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by twinkle on 29.01.10 23:57

@Kololi wrote:Hi Twinkle
My apologies in full.

It didn't read like that possibly because your post followed mine and Alberte's so in my brunnette moment it seemed to be saying nonsense to us. Again, sorry for missunderstanding - my mistake.

Take care

Hehe, no prob..........no doubt my post didn't flow as I tend to react before I reach the end of the thread.
I have those brunette moments too. xx

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Post by Pascal on 29.01.10 23:59

Tut tut you two wann get some nice blonde highlights like wot i got.

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Post by twinkle on 30.01.10 0:16

No chance, a mixture of the two would be just a disaster for me. big grin

I did try to PM you Koloki, but you have turned your PM's off. Sad

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Re: The McCanns Mark 1000 Days

Post by Autumn on 30.01.10 1:52

@bellatrix wrote:
@littlepixie wrote:
@aliberte2 wrote:
@littlepixie wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@Autumn wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:I'm sure those charities will benefit greatly. This is good news.

Well, imo, it isn't good news that these charities feel the need to align themselves to Rothley's very own KING AND QUEEN in order to raise money.


With hindsight, I can see how my comments may have upset others and apologise for any offence caused. As stated in an earlier post, I was commenting on the McCanns' public image NOT their actions.

My brother is buried less than a stones throw from the grave of one of the Moors Murder Victims. I was there the day she was buried some 20 odd years after Brady and Hindley hid her in a secret grave. They refused for all those years to tell her family where she was buried and denied her a decent Christian burial. They couldn't even remember where they buried poor Keith Bennett.

IF the McCanns hid Maddies body and are refusing to tell where she is and are refusing her a decent burial and a death certificate then I see similarities between them and Brady and Hindley.

They are worse in some ways if guilty of the above because they were her parents.

She is Still Their Child, Not a Random Stranger and a Random Family that they are Preventing from Knowing the Truth about Their Child and Their Burial Place.

There is No Comparison.

If they have hidden her grave there is every comparison.



Utter twaddle.Brady and Hindley abducted and tortured children for their own sick pleasure and sexual gratification.IF either of them had been released and begun campaigning for Madeleine and against the McCanns I am sure their past crimes would have been conveniently forgotten and they would be hailed as heroes a la John Hirst.Funny old world aint it?

Bellatrix, that is one the the sickest posts I have had the misfortune to read on any forum.

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Post by Cath on 30.01.10 8:06

Oh that's nothing compared to what's been written about Hewlett or the scalp thread.

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