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Post by Invinoveritas on 05.09.11 17:13

I have just checked the German Amazon site for the book to be published shortly, there are as far as I can see, no buyers for the book, it is at position 88716 in the best-seller list at the moment, i.e. non-existent, what really galls me is the translation of I assume Kate Mccann´s comments to the book that still imply that she was abducted, does she really think that the german speaking population of Europe are so gullible?

Neither my wife nor any of my friends or relatives have had to suffer from the british media and none of them have had to experience the Mccanns forcing themselves into their frontrooms through the above mentioned media, I had to get that off my chest



http://www.microsofttranslator.com/Default.aspx?ref=IE8Activity



P.S. I hope the link worked

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Post by PeterMac on 05.09.11 18:34

Well quite.
What the hell has it go to do with Germany ?
"English girl reported missing in Portugal 4 years ago. "
The only thing about Germany is that they got mauling during an interview, which as I recall was a first.

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My favourite German!

Post by tigger on 05.09.11 18:44

@PeterMac wrote:Well quite.
What the hell has it go to do with Germany ?
"English girl reported missing in Portugal 4 years ago. "
The only thing about Germany is that they got mauling during an interview, which as I recall was a first.


http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.com/2009/08/dr-christian-ludke-criminal.html

This was nearly the first sensible interview on the subject I read. It hits all the buttons: the fact that doctors are usually MORE protective of their children because of their profession is one that stands out for me.
It seems the Germans are not so gullible. The German take on 9/11 in 'Unter falsche Flagge' is one of the best documentaries I've ever seen on the subject. It leads me to suspect that Logic is still taught in German schools?

I hope they get interviewed by a Rottweiler.

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Re: Mccann progaganda for the german launch of Madeleine

Post by Gillyspot on 05.09.11 19:01

Lets hope the Germans have enough sense to see through them. Lets hope one clever reporter asks them two things.

1. Why are you promoting the book now you have your "review

2. How much of the money raised by the book will actually be spent on "searching" as it says all on the book cover yet searching is not specified within the limited company accounts.

Fingers crossed everyone pray

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Re: Mccann progaganda for the german launch of Madeleine

Post by Invinoveritas on 09.09.11 15:42

Found today in the online version of Stern, (not exactly a mag. I read)



Interviewer: Warum haben Sie unmittelbar nach der Entführung sofort an die Tat eines Sexual-Straftäters gedacht?


Why did you, after the kidnapping, immediately think it was done by a sexual-predator?



Kate Mccann: Das sind die dunkelsten Ängste, damit konfrontiert dich dein Gehirn in solch entsetzlichen Situationen. Damit musst du dich auseinandersetzen, bevor du wieder klarer denken kannst. Nach ein paar Tagen haben wir uns gesagt: Sie ist noch nicht gefunden worden, ihre Leiche ist nicht gefunden worden.


These are the darkest fears, that your brain confronts you with in such dire situations. So you have to address them before you can think again more clearly. After a few days, we told ourselves: she has been not found yet, her body has not been found.

Gerry Mccann: Wir begannen nachzudenken: Ist sie verschleppt worden? Und sie hätte so leicht über Grenzen gebracht werden können. Das war der Grund, warum wir auch international um Hilfe gebeten haben.


We began to think: has she been taken? And she could have so easily been taken across borders. That was the reason why we have asked for international help.


and so the spin doctoring continues, no denial, just empty sentences and phrases, to quote Queen: The show must go on!

http://www.stern.de/panorama/eltern-von-maddie-im-interview-es-ist-schwierig-glueck-zu-spueren-1725878.html

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Post by lj on 09.09.11 16:01

Oh they are just like trained monkeys now (sorry monkeys, you show in general more class).
They have a whole arsenal of lines and pop psychology that they just randomly spout whenever given a chance.

Why does nobody ask them: "why did you lie"?

Or "why didn't you ask the investigation to stay open when you could"?

It was in germany the first critical question was asked, I just hoped that would continue.

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Re: Mccann progaganda for the german launch of Madeleine

Post by Invinoveritas on 09.09.11 16:19

another nugget, this time snipped from the promotion of the book, found on Amazon.de:



Kurzbeschreibung
Madeleine wurde am Donnerstag, den 3. Mai 2007, in Praia da Luz, Portugal, entführt. Sämtliche polizeilichen Ermittlungen wurden im Laufe des Jahres 2008 eingestellt, doch die Eltern gaben die Hoffnung niemals auf. Sämtliche Autorenhonorare gehen an Madeleine´s Fund


Short description
Madeleine was abducted on Thursday, the 3rd May 2007, in Praia da Luz, Portugal. All police investigations were dropped in the course of 2008, but the parents never gave up hope. All Royalties go to Madeleine´s Fund

These are the first three sentences in chronological order. It beggar´s belief!

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Post by lj on 09.09.11 16:24

3 sentences, 3 lies.

Amazing what the McConns have achieved.

Sorry, I know, no name calling, but this is not much different than writing the McCanns are conning people, just shorter.

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Post by Invinoveritas on 09.09.11 16:33

@lj wrote:3 sentences, 3 lies.

Amazing what the McConns have achieved.

Sorry, I know, no name calling, but this is not much different than writing the McCanns are conning people, just shorter.





I prefer the word "untouchable" because it´s ambiguous and therefore not libellous

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Post by Invinoveritas on 10.09.11 18:08

We all assume that the Mccanns´arrange their Media interviews and also that they approve of that that appears in the papers/TV or electronic media, perhaps they would like to comment on these two snippets from the german tabloid Bild.de, I have translated to the best of my ability.:



Der Rollladen zum Apartment stand nur einen Spalt offen. Als ihre Eltern nach einem Restaurantbesuch zurück in ihr Ferienhaus kamen, war das Kinderbett leer. Jetzt wird der mysteriöse Fall neu untersucht!


The blinds to the apartment were only open a crack. When her parents came back to their holiday home, after a visit to the restaurant , the bed was empty. Now, the mysterious case is to be re-investigated!



Kate McCann: „Die Wiederaufnahme der Ermittlungen ist ein riesiger Schritt vorwärts für uns – und für Madeleine. Wir sind sehr froh darüber.“ Die portugiesische Polizei stellte damals die Suche nach dem Kind schon nach wenigen Wochen ein, schloss die Akte.



Kate Mccann: the renewal of the investigation is a huge step forward for us- and for Madeleine. We are very pleased. The Portuguese police stopped searching for the child after just a few weeks and closed the file.



This is how they operate on "foreign" soil and unfortunately Bild.de is an ideal tabloid for such manipulation.



http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/maddie-mccann/maddie-mccann-suche-polizei-sucht-in-portugal-19850670.bild.html

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Post by lj on 10.09.11 18:16

They are just incapable of speaking the truth. Their lies though give a very interesting picture of their sick minds.

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Re: Mccann progaganda for the german launch of Madeleine

Post by Invinoveritas on 13.09.11 9:31

More untruthes´ in the german tabloid Bild.de:



the opener: Die kleine Madeleine wurde während des Familienurlaubs aus dem Kinderbettchen entführt.

small Madeleine was abducted during their family holiday from her cot. her cot??!!





a bit lower down: Waren sie nicht aufmerksam genug? Hätten sie die Entführung verhindern können? Die Fragen quälen die McCanns immer wieder. Antworten gibt es nicht.

Eine normale Familie, das waren die McCanns zuletzt am 3. Mai 2007. Der Urlaub in einer Ferienanlage in Praia de Luz in Portugal war fast zu Ende. Die Kinder schliefen schon, die Eltern und ihre Freunde trafen sich zum Abendessen in einer Tapas-Bar, nur 50 Meter vom Appartement entfernt. Als Mutter Kate nach den Kindern sieht, ist das Fenster offen, Madeleine ist fort.


: Were they not attentive enough? Could they have prevented the kidnapping? The questions continue to torment the Mccanns again and again. There are no answers.
A normal family, up to May 3, 2007. The holiday in a holiday resort in Praia de Luz in Portugal was almost over. The children were already asleep, the parents and their friends met for dinner at a tapas bar, just 50 metres from the apartment. When Kate went to check on the children, the window was open, Madeleine was gone.

Words fail me, also comments are off on the web-site, says it all


http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/maddie-mccann/bild-besucht-eltern-mccann-19920672.bild.html

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Post by Invinoveritas on 13.09.11 10:42

Update to the televised interview Thursday 15.09.2011, 22.45 EST, i.e. 21.45 BST; with Reinhold Beckmann, the Programme lasts 75mins. and is on Astra 19.2, Das Erste or Das ErsteHD.( This is state TV i.e comparable with the BBC)

the E-mail Adresse is beckmann@ndrtv.de, perhaps one of the mods. could send him a list of the questions that we would like to ask the Mccanns.

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Post by Angelique on 13.09.11 17:17

I suppose they feel they are able to give as little information as possible but still influence the public in Germany enough to ease open their wallets. It's possible that the German public may be persuaded by their demeanour.

I don't know very much about German culture and how they would react to this sort of reporting.

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E-Mail to the "Stern"

Post by crispyroll on 13.09.11 17:41

I sent an E-Mail to the STERN-reporter "Cornelia Fuchs" to whom Mrs. McCann gave her interview because I was angry that no journalist asked some harder questions.
Today she answered me and I will give a summary:
She answered that:
- The "Stern" is not influenced by someone
Mrs. Fuchs told that she has spoken to SY and the Portugese Police and all of them do not suspect the McCanns
The Portugese Police considers the book of Mr. Amaral as not helpful
The McCanns would do all what they can to find their daughter
The McCanns did make a mistake which they very regret

I can put the E-Mail here if wished. It is a little bit longer and it would e hard for me to translate it into English.

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Post by Invinoveritas on 13.09.11 18:07

no probs. crispyroll, I´ll translate, apart from that I have just read the article in the Süddeutsche Zeitung and I am just as furious and am atm. starting an email complaint about the one-sided "journalism". The article is huge and basically it´s tepid superficial second rate journalism with absolutely no depth

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"Stern"-Mail

Post by crispyroll on 13.09.11 18:13

Invinoveritas, Ihave just sent you a PM with the E-Mail.

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Post by ShrinkingViolet on 13.09.11 18:19

@crispyroll wrote:I sent an E-Mail to the STERN-reporter "Cornelia Fuchs" to whom Mrs. McCann gave her interview because I was angry that no journalist asked some harder questions.
Today she answered me and I will give a summary:
She answered that:
- The "Stern" is not influenced by someone
Mrs. Fuchs told that she has spoken to SY and the Portugese Police and all of them do not suspect the McCanns
The Portugese Police considers the book of Mr. Amaral as not helpful
The McCanns would do all what they can to find their daughter
The McCanns did make a mistake which they very regret

I can put the E-Mail here if wished. It is a little bit longer and it would e hard for me to translate it into English.





Crispyroll what an interesting email! Are people of the press really being fed such nonsense by SY and the Portuguese police?

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Post by crispyroll on 13.09.11 18:22

I answered Mrs. Fuchs that I do not believe that the Police had said that. And if then the reason may be that they can not answer truthfully because the Press would report that and that this would not be good for the further investigation.

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Interview

Post by crispyroll on 13.09.11 18:29

The most disturbing thing is that the "Stern" is one of the "better" German magazines. It is not something like the "Bild" which is comparable to the "Sun". It is not a celebrity magazine.

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any chance of the publishers being connected?

Post by tigger on 13.09.11 18:29

I don't know how this works in different countries, but I imagine that it's cheaper to have translations printed and distributed by the host country so to speak. So the interviews in papers may certainly be slanted to singing from the given song sheet?
It was the same in Holland and Belgium, no hard questions, same old whine, badly translated: When Kate said 'it is a cross I have to bear' (the Tony Blair school of humility) is was translated as a 'burden' she had to bear. Quite a difference.

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A question

Post by crispyroll on 13.09.11 18:47

Maybe it is very far fetched but I have been thinking that it is absoluteley not normal with the whole Press. It is impossible that there seems to be not one journalist left who questions the MCanns.
Could it be that the Press has been asked by the Police forces to be supportive to the McCanns so that the McCanns would go on giving interviews and sitting on TV sofas and one day they will be catched?

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Did she speak to SY?

Post by pauline on 13.09.11 19:36

I find it very hard to believe she spoke to SY and got such a comment.

After all there is no phone no on which you can contact the SY review team.

if she phoned, she would have been put onto the Press office. She would have got a statement that there is an ongoing review of the case which is going to take some time, and that therefore they could not comment. At best she would have got a sentence about the terms of reference.

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Post by Invinoveritas on 13.09.11 19:43

Here we go:



Liebe Frau ....

herzlichen Dank für Ihre Mail.
Zunächst einmal möchte ich Ihnen sehr deutlich versichern, dass der stern sich bei Interviews keine Fragen vorschreiben oder verbieten lässt. Darüber hinaus gab es weder von den Eltern McCann noch von sonst irgendjemandem Vorschriften über Fragen oder Inhalte des Gesprächs.

Ich bin mir der verschiedensten Gerüchte, Vorwürfe und Anschuldigungen in diesem Fall bewusst. Auch ich recherchiere im Internet und lese Foren.

Der stern verlässt sich jedoch nicht auf Recherchen aus der Ferne. Wie schon mehrfach im Laufe der Jahre ist auch in diesem Fall ein Kollege nach Portugal gefahren. Wie bei allen anderen Reportagen sind es unsere Nachforschungen, die in die Geschichten einfließen.
Mein Kollege hat vor Ort mit mehreren portugiesischen Ermittlungsbeamten gesprochen, ebenso mit Beteiligten in Praia da Luz. Ich habe Informationen mit Beamten von Scotland Yard abgeglichen. Das eindeutige Ergebnis aller Recherchen: Es gibt im Moment keine Beweise und keine Hinweise darauf, was mit Madeleine McCann passiert ist. Das heißt, es gibt kein Wissen darüber, ob sie tot oder lebendig ist oder wer an ihrem Verschwinden beteiligt war.
Weder die portugiesischen Ermittler noch Scotland Yard hält jedoch die Eltern in irgendeiner Weise beteiligt an ihrem Verschwinden. Das Buch von Herrn Amaral wird in Portugal als wenig hilfreich angesehen, die meisten seiner Anschuldigungen entbehren jeglicher Grundlage.

Die McCanns – und das haben sie in vielen Interviews immer wieder gesagt – haben einen Fehler gemacht, als sie ihre Kinder allein in dem Ferienappartement schlafen ließen. Sie bereuen dies zutiefst. Mit dieser Schuld müssen sie leben.

Die Familie versucht, ihre Tochter wiederzufinden. Aufgeben werden sie nicht, solange es keinen Hinweis gibt auf das, was an dem 3. Juli in Praia da Luz passiert ist.
Und solange das Interesse an der Suche nach Madeleine McCann in der Öffentlichkeit vorhanden ist oder für den Fall, dass neue Hinweise ans Licht kommen, wird der stern weiter über den Fall berichten.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Cornelia Fuchs



Dr. Mrs....



Thank you for your mail.
First of all I would like to assure you very clearly that in Stern interviews we do not accept that we are not allowed to ask questions or that questions are prohibited. Alsothere were no rules on questions or content of the conversation by the McCanns nor by anyone else.



I am aware of the various rumors, allegations and accusations in this case. I also do some research into the Internet and read the forums.



The stern doeesn´t just do from a distance. Many times over the years a colleague has driven in this case to Portugal. As with all other reports and investigations, which are included in the stories.
My colleague has spoken on the ground with several Portuguese investigators, as well as with participants in Praia da Luz. I've compared information with officials from Scotland Yard. The unique result of all investigations: There is no evidence and no evidence at the moment of what happened to Madeleine McCann. This means that there is no knowledge as to whether she is alive or dead or who was involved in her disappearance.
Neither the Portuguese investigators nor Scotland Yard think that the parents are involved in her disappearance in any way whatsoever. Mr Amaral's book is considered of little help in Portugal , most of his allegations are unfounded.



The Mcanns have said again and again in many interviews - that they have made a mistake, as they left their children alone in the apartment to sleep. They regret this deeply. They have to live with this guilt.



The family are trying to find her daughter. They will not give up, as long as there is no indication on what happened on 3 July in Praia da Luz. As long as there is public interest or in the event that new information should come to light the stern will continue reporting on the case.



With kind regards



Cornelia Fuchs


does this read right crispyroll?

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Post by crispyroll on 13.09.11 19:54

Yes it does, invinoveritas. Thank you very much for the translation!

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