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Post  jd on Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:00 am

Someone put a post in a thread this morning (or yesterday now) with info of GM's and Murats mobile phone being off and on at the very same time. Think it was an ex military giving his opinion about this. I can't find it but remember reading it. Please could you put it up again in here. Thanks

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Post  Guest on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:01 am

The poster who has examined the phone traffic is Kiko. Some time ago he posted up this very detailed analysis on here, this is a copy of that post. It starts from the alarm being raised and working backwards.

Kikoratton:

"Robert Murat turned his mobile back on after a long silent interval at 2320 on 3 May. One of his first calls was from Sergi Malinka, his computer guru. But at least one hour before KM raised the alarm, Sergi and his friends were chatting profusely by phone, leading me to wonder whether word of “something” had got out before the official announcement by Kate.
The vital piece of evidence, however, is this: RM’s mobile phone silence had begun at 1545 on 2 May, and ended at 2320 on 3 May just after KM’s shout. That’s 31h 35m of silence. Gerry had been taking numerous calls made to his voicemail box on 2 May, and effectively the last of these was at 1549. He postponed listening to this until around 2015, at which point he turned off his mobile. He took just one incoming call at 1224 on 3 May, then his mobile fell silent again until 2314. Since he didn’t make a single outgoing call during that period, and used voicemail to eliminate any possibility of identification of his callers, we can say that his period of silence (compare the figure with Murat’s) was of 31h 25m.
This is inexplicable unless you come to the conclusion that GM and RM were in cahoots, and the silence was akin to the military golden rule, of communications silence to avoid any possibility of compromise before the action kicks off.
I then consider in more detail those 12 voicemail messages which GM received on 2 May. The PJ never found out who they came from, but by any standards it was a busy eight hours for Gerry, no doubt with pen and paper in hand to take down detailed instructions and timings. As I’ve said, he postponed listening to the last two for some reason. KM’s claim that Gerry was so busy at work that he had to keep in touch with his department, is given the lie by the fact that he didn’t actually speak to anybody, and never responded with a single outgoing call.
Putting all of this together, I’m satisfied that the tragic event had not only taken place by 0800 on 2 May, but that sufficient time had passed between the event and 0800 on 2 May for Gerry to start to receive detailed plans beginning at that time.
So theoretically, death around 2345 on 1 May is still possible, although we have no indication of frantic phone communications during that night as we would expect. Which leads us neatly to those six contacts (texts or calls?) on KM’s mobile from 2216 – 2228 on that evening. (According to Mrs Fenn’s account, the crying of Madeleine started at 2230).
Might that really be the time of the tragedy? I doubt it. Look at it this way: wouldn’t we have expected some normal, “chatty” contact between the two McCanns and their Tapas chums, or with family, on 1 May and 30 April? We have absolutely none. 48 hours without mobile contact. I believe that represents 48 hours during which something very concealed was going on. And then suddenly Kate has to make six contacts in 12 minutes just before the long period when, according to Mrs Fenn , Maddie was crying. I don’t believe there is any logic which points to the tragic event happening at that time.

So I return to investigate the calls made by RM’s mobile, and in a 14 minute period between 2200 and 2214 I find six texts apparently being transmitted between his mobile and Michaela Walczuch’s. Now, as an inveterate ex-communications-intelligence jobsworth, I look at those bursts of six messages beginning at 2200 and ending at 2228 and I say “something fishy’s going on here.”
Putting this together with RM’s and Gerry’s coinciding 31-hour silences of the following day, I believe that Murat’s and Walczuch’s mobiles were being used to transmit stuff which was vital to the cover-up of a tragedy which had happened before 2200 on 1 May.
Going back still further, it can be noted that RM booked his flight on 30 April, that the same day was highlighted by phone communications between Jenny Murat and Exeter, and that he flew to Faro and arrived at PdL around 1130 on 1 May. And we should add to the mix an unexplained call to Jane Tanner at the ungodly hour of 0415 on 29 April.

That’s about 600 pages of the phone thread condensed into little more than one page"

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Post  Guest on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:43 am

Follow this man on twitter for updates



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ex-GCHQ traffic analyst. I.e.who's contacting whom? why? what's the motive? where? how do they fit in with others?

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Post  jd on Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:37 am

Thanks very much Stella, this is most interesting and fits in perfectly in a theory I am forming. except for one thing, that the cleaner cleaned the apartment on the morning on weds 2nd May but this could be a red herring, unless they took the body and hid it in one of Murats empty properties for a night or two. Note also that Sergio Malinka (Murats web designer) called Murat at 11.30pm on May 3rd even though they both denied it at first saying they hadn't spoken for a year, until it was discovered by police this call had been made. And Matthew Fazakerley who works (at that time) with Sergey Malinka as a Project Organiser for Island expeditions on the boat company www.corlettmaritima.com, and runs a chain of computer offices with Malinka. Its very possible to get the body from one of Murats empty properties to a boat and out to sea is my thinking....there is a route there

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Post  Guest on Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:44 am

jd wrote:Thanks very much Stella, this is most interesting and fits in perfectly in a theory I am forming. except for one thing, that the cleaner cleaned the apartment on the morning on weds 2nd May but this could be a red herring, unless they took the body and hid it in one of Murats empty properties for a night or two. Note also that Sergio Malinka (Murats web designer) called Murat at 11.30pm on May 3rd even though they both denied it at first saying they hadn't spoken for a year, until it was discovered by police this call had been made. And Matthew Fazakerley who works (at that time) with Sergey Malinka as a Project Organiser for Island expeditions on the boat company www.corlettmaritima.com, and runs a chain of computer offices with Malinka. Its very possible to get the body from one of Murats empty properties to a boat and out to sea is my thinking....there is a route there


Hi jd, just a few comments,

The cleaner did not clean on the 2nd, she only went in to collect the rubbish bag in the kitchen and left again, as I believe.

If they had friends in private residences out there, then they had an infinite number of places to choose from.

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Post  Willo on Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:27 am

I wonder if the cleaner checked what was in the bag?

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Post  jd on Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:37 am

From her statement, the cleaner said she last cleaned the apartment on the morning of May 2nd and she didn't have time that morning to clean the rubbish bags as she was so busy. Maybe yet another contradiction of statements! (I put an extract of her statement in the 'cleaners' topic)

But this could very well be true anyway, as if Maddie died the night before which is very possible, this would make sense of the amount of frantic phone texts from KM on May 1st etc. then they planned to turn their mobiles off in an effect to deflect the police at a later stage and not have them linked to one another, though they did just that! After the accident they could have initially put the body in their apartment cupboard to keep it away from the twins while they made other arrangements. The cleaner in the morning was perfectly timed. The McCanns had probably 12 hours window to get the body out and Murat could have helped them by initially storing the body in one of his empty property apartments, while he organised with his connections to take it out to sea during the next day. The McCanns say that Maddie went sailing on the 2nd May, maybe in truth it was actually them that went out to sea. In their desperate situation having decided they had to fake an abduction (fear of losing theirs jobs, twins etc) there is only one place on the planet where she could never be found...the ocean. Burying on land is too much of a risk of being discovered one day, especially in a country they don't really know. In a panic they had to make a quick decision with their friends

This is one of scenarios which does make sense to me, though the other one makes sense also as the McCanns were very desperate for money. The deeper we delve the more clearer it will be!


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Post  Miraflores on Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:41 am

This is one of scenarios which does
make sense to me, though the other one makes sense also as the McCanns
were very desperate for money. The deeper we delve the more clearer it
will be!




Now if the McCanns and friends were just to tell the truth - we might find out that it's all a whole lot simpler.

I don't think that we will ever find out though!

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Post  jd on Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:52 am

Miraflores wrote:
This is one of scenarios which does
make sense to me, though the other one makes sense also as the McCanns
were very desperate for money. The deeper we delve the more clearer it
will be!




Now if the McCanns and friends were just to tell the truth - we might find out that it's all a whole lot simpler.

I don't think that we will ever find out though!


I think a few of them want to but are too scared and live in fear of the consequences

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Post  Guest on Tue Aug 02, 2011 12:25 pm

jd, I don't think anything was taken out to sea. Remember what was found in the car and the state of it? GA said it had been frozen and was defrosting. Which means a fridge/freezer, somewhere near by.

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