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Re: Is Scotland Yard fit to carry out Madeleine McCann Review?

Post by Anders on 12.12.11 22:24

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Re: Is Scotland Yard fit to carry out Madeleine McCann Review?

Post by anil39200 on 12.12.11 22:54

In reply to the title of the thread, I believe it is an awful lot of money to waste on a couple of people who are relatively unimportant, ie the McCanns. However if they are out to do a whitewash then no, they are not fit to do the review. If however they find information by looking at the files from a fresh perspective and this leads to the child's return then I guess that would be justification, as would if their review led to criminal proceedings against those who actually were responsible for the disappearance of the child.whoever that may be. However, can someone answer what may seema naive question please
Do the SY team have any powers to recommend to the PJ to reopen the case if they find there is involvement by any members of the group of people who were associating together that evening at the Tapas Restaurant while the children were left alone? if indeed that was the case, as there seem to be so many inconsistencies about who was or was'nt there, who saw who etc etc that it is difficult to know what to think about it all at times.
In other words how far does the SY remit go?


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Re: Is Scotland Yard fit to carry out Madeleine McCann Review?

Post by Shibboleth on 12.12.11 22:58

@anil39200 wrote:In reply to the title of the thread, I believe it is an awful lot of money to waste on a couple of people who are relatively unimportant, ie the McCanns. However if they are out to do a whitewash then no, they are not fit to do the review. If however they find information by looking at the files from a fresh perspective and this leads to the child's return then I guess that would be justification, as would if their review led to criminal proceedings against those who actually were responsible for the disappearance of the child.whoever that may be. However, can someone answer what may seema naive question please
Do the SY team have any powers to recommend to the PJ to reopen the case if they find there is involvement by any members of the group of people who were associating together that evening at the Tapas Restaurant while the children were left alone? if indeed that was the case, as there seem to be so many inconsistencies about who was or was'nt there, who saw who etc etc that it is difficult to know what to think about it all at times.
In other words how far does the SY remit go?

This is a very good question. I do not remember seeing an answer to it. Also, are they simply making a review of the "sightings" that have been discounted, or any "new" sightings that the PJ did not examine? If so, where did the "new" sightings come from, who supplied this information?

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Re: Is Scotland Yard fit to carry out Madeleine McCann Review?

Post by littlepixie on 12.12.11 23:16

I don't know whether Scotland Yard are fit to conduct a review into this case. I am more interested in WHY they are conducting a review.

Local Authorities are penny-pinching in every way they can just to carry on providing care for the multitiude of children they are legally responsible for. Cheaper alternatives are being sought right across the board - yet 3.5 MILLION pounds is being spent on just one child alone.

Every childs life is priceless to me personally, but believe it or not, in reality there is a price put on everything, however unsavoury that may be. There is because there HAS to be.

So why is THIS child different?

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Post by aquila on 13.12.11 0:15

@littlepixie wrote:I don't know whether Scotland Yard are fit to conduct a review into this case. I am more interested in WHY they are conducting a review.

Local Authorities are penny-pinching in every way they can just to carry on providing care for the multitiude of children they are legally responsible for. Cheaper alternatives are being sought right across the board - yet 3.5 MILLION pounds is being spent on just one child alone.

Every childs life is priceless to me personally, but believe it or not, in reality there is a price put on everything, however unsavoury that may be. There is because there HAS to be.

So why is THIS child different?

I just wanted to add something to your post...why is it called a 'review'...it's like a public enquiry....and I agree with your sentiments.

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Post by anil39200 on 13.12.11 1:27

@anil39200 wrote:In reply to the title of the thread, I believe it is an awful lot of money to waste on a couple of people who are relatively unimportant, ie the McCanns. However if they are out to do a whitewash then no, they are not fit to do the review. If however they find information by looking at the files from a fresh perspective and this leads to the child's return then I guess that would be justification, as would if their review led to criminal proceedings against those who actually were responsible for the disappearance of the child.whoever that may be. However, can someone answer what may seema naive question please
Do the SY team have any powers to recommend to the PJ to reopen the case if they find there is involvement by any members of the group of people who were associating together that evening at the Tapas Restaurant while the children were left alone? if indeed that was the case, as there seem to be so many inconsistencies about who was or was'nt there, who saw who etc etc that it is difficult to know what to think about it all at times.
In other words how far does the SY remit go?

Sorry, I am sure I am not the first to use an incorrect name but I cannot recall anyone else being corrected. Still rules are rules as long as they are consistent.



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Re: Is Scotland Yard fit to carry out Madeleine McCann Review?

Post by Gillyspot on 13.12.11 6:46

From the Home Office website regarding the Review dated 12th May 2011

"The Home Office today announced that the Metropolitan Police Service will be bringing their expertise to the case regarding the search for Madeleine McCann.

A Home Office spokesperson said: 'The government's primary concern has always been and remains the safe return of Madeleine. Although she disappeared in Portugal, and the Portuguese retain the lead responsibility in the case, law enforcement agencies here have continued to follow up leads and pass information to the Portuguese authorities as appropriate.

The Prime Minister and the Home Secretary have today agreed with Sir Paul Stephenson that the Metropolitan Police will bring its particular expertise to this case. Clearly, the detail of what that will entail will be a matter of operational judgment and it would not be appropriate to discuss at this stage.'

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-centre/news/statement-madeleine-mccann

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Is Scotland Yard fir to carry out Madeleine McCann Review

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Re: Is Scotland Yard fit to carry out Madeleine McCann Review?

Post by russiandoll on 17.06.12 11:41

Have searched 3 times and can't find my original post re UK police forces' policy and procedures re reported missing persons, would like to highlight a few major points:

Definitions
3.2.1 Missing Person
A missing person is anyone whose whereabouts is
unknown whatever the circumstances of the
disappearance. They will be considered missing until
located and their well being or otherwise established.”
(ACPO definition)
It follows therefore that there are two dimensions to a
missing person enquiry:-
Ensuring the well-being of the missing person;
• Providing appropriate support to the complainant/
Family.

The
details required are name, DOB, as much
descriptive information as possible (i.e. marks,
scars, tattoos), brief circumstances of
disappearance & clothing items worn (including
make, colour etc.)
Most missing persons are found locally
Photographs and dental records, if available,
should be forwarded as soon as
possible after notification


why murder detectives are involved in the review:

The majority of missing person enquiries will be quickly
resolved. In a few cases, however, the report of a
missing person is the first step in a major crime case.
Therefore the initial stages of any missing person
enquiry should commence on the basis that the case
may escalate into a serious crime investigation
. In cases
where the circumstances are suspicious or unexplained
use the maxim: IF IN DOUBT THINK MURDER.
It is
easier to rein back from the early stages of a major
enquiry than it is to recover missed opportunities
resulting from miscalculating in the early stages

At the earliest opportunity after the initial report, the
matter should be reviewed by an SIO (Senior
Investigating Officer) to assess if, on the
information available, there is any possibility that
the missing person is the victim of a crime.

Responsibilities
3.3.1 First Report
Sufficient information shall be obtained to determine how
swiftly a police officer needs to attend to commence the
initial investigation. If the circumstances of the initial
report indicate that the missing person is at risk of
coming to harm or of harming others then a police officer
should be dispatched as soon as possible, a police
officer should always attend a report of a missing
person.
Minimum information that should be gathered on first
report is:
• Name
• Age
• Date of birth
• Descriptive details of missing person
• Home address
Location missing from / last seen
• Circumstances of disappearance

• Is this behaviour out of character?
• Details of any vehicle or other transport used
Assessment of person reporting
• Name address and telephone number of person
reporting

Officer First Attending
a) The officer attending the scene will obtain full
particulars of the missing person and complete the
Missing Person Enquiry Form. In particular, the
officer will ensure that all of the details surrounding
the disappearance are fully recorded.
The officer
must understand that they are conducting an
investigation and not merely taking details for a
report.
b) In all cases the full Missing Persons Form will be
completed immediately.
c) The officer will make an assessment of the
circumstances of the disappearance in order to
make a judgement regarding the risks to which that
person or the community are likely to be exposed

The officer will gather sufficient information about
the missing person to enable an effective and
thorough investigation to be conducted. The extent
of the information will vary according to the
assessment of the risk. Very detailed information
and a lifestyle profile will be needed in high-risk
cases.

e) If appropriate, consideration should be given to
obtaining a sample of the missing persons DNA
(e.g. tooth brush/ hairbrush). If DNA is obtained
then The PNC Bureau must be informed.

Officers should ensure that the home address of
the missing person is searched as a priority, even if
family or friends have already conducted a search
of their own.
Officers should be sensitive to and
respect any cultural issues and explain fully the
reasons why a search of the home address is
preferable.
l) The objective of the search is to discover:
• The Missing Person,Evidence relating to their disappearance
• Intelligence that may lead to their discovery
The officer will ensure that a recent photograph or
other captured image of the missing person is
obtained for circulation purposes


In every case of a reported missing person the
officer attending the scene should consider the
possibility of ‘foul play’.


Role of Detective Inspector
a) Where foul play is suspected the duty detective
inspector will carry out an immediate review of the
case and assess whether there are any criminal
offences involved and decide upon the appropriate
course of action.

Investigating officers should use the following as a guide
in reaching a professional judgement on whether the
missing person fits into a low, medium or high risk. None
of the factors are weighted or scored.

Factors that should be considered:-

Personal Circumstances
♦ Age of the person;
♦ On the Child Protection Register;
♦ Requires essential medication or treatment
♦ At risk due to mental impairment or physical condition;
♦ Drug dependency;
♦ Suicidal tendencies;
♦ Alcohol dependency.
♦ Cultural and Religious

Circumstances of Disappearance

Suspect murder or abduction;
♦ Involvement in violent incidents prior to report;

♦ Out of character;
♦ Family or relationship problems;
♦ Employment problems;
♦ Financial problems;
♦ School or college problems;
♦ Bullying or harassment problems;
♦ Previously disappeared and subjected to harm;
Normally resident in UK but travelled abroad;
♦ Normally resident abroad but gone missing in UK;
♦ Other special factors identified by the family/friends;
Any factors considered critical by the Investigating
Officer;

Validity of the information provided by person
reporting


High Risk
a) The risk posed is immediate and there are
substantial grounds for believing that the subject is
in danger through their own vulnerability or mental
state,
May have been the victim of a serious crime


Guidance on Factors for Risk Assessment
Many of the factors included under “Personal circumstances” and
“Circumstances of disappearance” need little explanation. However the
following points may prove helpful in considering certain of the factors:-
Factor - Age of the person
This may be a very significant factor in determining the level of risk. It will be
of potentially great importance with a child of tender years for a number of
reasons: -
• The child is so young that it is physically unable to interact safely with the
environment or its surrounding
• The child may be unable to prevent itself being exploited for a criminal
purpose i.e. trafficking for the vice industry
The child may be the victim of a predatory paedophile. This is a particularly
important matter to consider. The time since disappearance could be
vital for the survival of the child. Statistics show that in the case of
abduction in such circumstances the child is unlikely to be alive after six
hours.
(CATCHEM Index). Urgent action is essential

Factor – Suspicion of Abduction
Consider:
In the case of a child believed taken by an estranged parent who may take the
child abroad, the need for an urgent ‘all ports’ warning?


Factor – The validity of the information provided by the person reporting
Consider:
Why is this person being reported missing, is there a hidden motive?
How well does the reporting person know the missing person, how reliable is
their information?


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Re: Is Scotland Yard fit to carry out Madeleine McCann Review?

Post by tigger on 17.06.12 11:55

Don't want to quote the above post, but very interesting! It seems - and Petermac would know anyway and has told us too! - that what we've been told so far is in line with normal police procedure.
It's just taking a very long time.... great find, RD!

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Post by russiandoll on 17.06.12 20:08

Very frustrating as I posted almost identical months back and it has to be here somewhere. This is not specific to SY it is a UK force procedure which all must follow. So that is what happens when a person is reported missing in the UK. Given that an abduction was reported, not just " our daughter has disappeared" I would imagine, although I can't find it listed, that it would raise a red flag but I guess it comes under the umbrella of evaluation of circumstances and judging the person reporting to the police......are they reliable, is there an ulterior motive or agenda behind the report? It is same the wording of the remit was sloppy, but I choose to read " as if the abduction happened in the UK" as " as if the abduction was reported in the UK"

I do not see how or why SY would deviate from standard practice, everything done /not done needs documenting and justifying.
I still maintain that Redwood was in the media, given the review had been going for a year, for some misjudged PR and I have to take note of the predatory paedophile scenario mentioned, that most abductees are no longer alive after 6 hours. It is not credible that he believes if that is what happened, that Madeleine is alive, there is every reason for him to strongly believe the opposite. He looked unconvincing when put on the spot and replying yes so unequivocally.
I have looked but can't find anything directly from him dismissing as one newspaper put it theories re the parents.
I note he did not say anything other than a stranger went into the apartment and took her.
No date, no specific apartment [even if he said " that apartment " it refers to the one he is thinking about not necessarily the one we all think of.....] no mention of a break in.WENT INTO. A stranger is someone Maddie did not know or if she did know him or her, only slightly. So walked into the apartment she was in and walked out with her. He did not say while she was sleeping.....so perhaps Maddie was not alive. A viewer listening to him speaking about the parallel investigations....one where she is alive, the other dead and then hearing his view about what happened would think he meant if Maddie was dead it was post abduction, a typical scenario if taken by a paedophile. Or anyone without that agenda but who got wind of the publicity about her eye. He knows what he means and he could have been referring by "took her"....to a live child or one deceased at the time of removal.
I think he chose his words very carefully.


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Post by tigger on 17.06.12 21:08

Petermac will love your clear appraisal - many overreacted to the Panorama and subsequent publicity - I certainly did. Steam was coming out of my ears, it will be lovely to have my opinion at the time proved wrong!

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Post by jd on 18.06.12 4:16

@tigger wrote:Petermac will love your clear appraisal - many overreacted to the Panorama and subsequent publicity - I certainly did. Steam was coming out of my ears, it will be lovely to have my opinion at the time proved wrong!

This is the truth of the Channel 4 documentary...How they disugustngly deceived the viewing public, changed the Smith sighting to their agenda....they are sick unbalanced creatures and totally abusing our free speech and facts

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/disgusting-episode-of-distorted.html

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Post by PeterMac on 18.06.12 6:31

Many thanks for that link. I hadn't seen that one before. Food for even more thought.

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Post by sallypelt on 17.06.13 22:39

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@jd wrote:This is really interesting info re the Symingtons/Ocean Club connections. One of the many strange things about this case is KM saying 'THEY have taken her' which more than suggests she knew who had taken Maddie and wasn't expecting this to happen.

What evidence is there that she actually said this?

For that matter, what evidence is there that she actually ran down to the Tapas bar as claimed?

Port shipping company leads me to suspect that if Maddie was taken then this would be a way of getting her out of the country undetected as there would be connections, not directly linked to the Symington family, but maybe employees or someone that knew how to easily get her onto one of their ships without anyone else knowing. Underworld ring perhaps? Its also interesting that Murat is also related as a 4th cousin

What is much more interesting than that is that sniffer dogs employed by one of the world's top dog handlers found the scent of a corpse in 10 places associated with the McCanns in Praia da Luz, but nowhere else in Praia da Luz  

I am confused as to who actually owns that apartment?

Yes it was Ruth McCann. I am not sure this takes us much further.

Also, it is stated that GM in the first 30 mins after supposedly knowing Maddie had gone, phoned a good friend of his who just happened to be a diplomat and a close aide to Gordon Brown. At this particular time I would be panicked to be looking for my child rather than phoning a Gordon Brown aide! Coincidence or not that someone there also had connections direct to Sky and BBC News.

That's just one of many things about the behaviour of the McCanns and their friends which contradicts the claim that Madeleine was abducted. Take: ripping out the front cover of Madeleine's Activity Sticker Book and writing up two fabricated time lines on it. Or try: Jane Tanner not talking to the McCanns about seeing a man carrying a child until 24 hours later.  

There is something in all this which I can't quite put my finger on yet...

Lies?




Just a bit more information on Ruth McCann's late husband. Michael William McCann was born in Plymouth in 1945. His mother's maiden name was "Fanning". However, I can't find a marriage for a McCann and Fanning, so did Michael's parents marry in Scotland, for example?


Michael McCann died suddenly in 2006. At the time of his death he was living in Liverpool. This is his obituary:


Michael MCCANN : Obituary
Published in the Plymouth Herald on 12th July 2006 (Distributed in Plymouth, Plympton)

McCANN Mike July 7th 2006. Suddenly at home in Liverpool. Formerly of Homer Park, Saltash, devoted husband to Ruth, dear brother to Kevin and Viv and loving uncle to Donna, Kevin and Michael. Will be sadly missed. Rest in peace


Also:



Profile



Mr Michael William Mccann
Ex-Director of Iebe Trading Limited

Date of Birth: 1945
Nationality: British
Location: Berkshire



Mr Michael William Mccann is British and was born in 1945. The first directorship we have on file for him was in 1998 at Institute For Education Business Excellence. Him newest directorship was with Liverpool Compact Education Business Partnership where he held the position of "Consultant". The company was established 10 Jan 1990 . So far, Michael has held 6 directorships, 0 of which are currently active, and 6 are previous.



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Post by sallypelt on 17.06.13 23:05

Why doesn't Michael McCann's obituary name his children from his first marriage? According to other sources, he has a daughter, Donna M Aldred, from his first marriage, yet on his obituary, it says that he's the uncle of someone by the name of Donna. Can someone enlighten me, please?

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Post by Guest on 17.06.13 23:22

This is very strange. All the reports I've seen so far say that Donna was Michael McCann's daughter.
 
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id21.html
 
However, on the above link - a long way down under the heading "Who owns Apartment 5A?" - it says that she is the daughter of Daniel Aldred and that they jointly owned the flat originally with Michael and Ruth McCann.

Is anything relating to anyone called McCann straightforward?!

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Post by sallypelt on 17.06.13 23:35

A Donna Michelle McCann married a Daniel J Aldred in Bexley, Kent in 1970.

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Post by Guest on 18.06.13 0:06

That Donna can't be the daughter of the Michael McCann who later married Ruth; he was born in 1945 and couldn't possibly have had a daughter old enough to be married in 1970.

It does seem more likely that he bought the property with his daughter and son-in-law but then that doesn't explain why she wasn't mentioned in his obituary.

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Post by sallypelt on 18.06.13 0:40

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That Donna can't be the daughter of the Michael McCann who later married Ruth; he was born in 1945 and couldn't possibly have had a daughter old enough to be married in 1970.

It does seem more likely that he bought the property with his daughter and son-in-law but then that doesn't explain why she wasn't mentioned in his obituary.



Sorry the year is 2000 not 1970. Donna was born in 1970

She married a Daniel J Aldred

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SY in it, since 2007

Post by Seek truth on 28.06.13 22:53

In Truth of the lie , English book, Amaral mentions Scotland Yard, already involved.

They've been in it for more than 6 years! 

Makes you want to give up, 
but of course it'll never be forgotten.

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Re: Is Scotland Yard fit to carry out Madeleine McCann Review?

Post by tigger on 29.06.13 10:14

Here's an interesting article on an early connection to the Met. A PI whose name we never hear mentioned, but must surely have been of some use?

From McCannfiles.com

Apart from other detectives, Noel Hogan seems to be of interest, if only because we hardly ever hear about him. Links to the Met in January 08, working for Metodo.
Most of all, at this early date trying to get in touch with the Smiths amongst others.

The McCanns bring in cold-case detectives to investigate Madeleine's disappearance Daily Mail
By DAN NEWLING and VANESSA ALLEN
Last updated at 00:48 03 January 2008

Kate and Gerry McCann have hired a former Met Police officer to carry out a "cold case" review into Madeleine's disappearance.

Noel Hogan, a former CID detective, has spent hundreds of hours interviewing British witnesses in the case.
[..]
Mr Hogan spent eight years in the Met where he reached the rank of detective superintendent.
Since 1986 he has run his own detective agency in Surrey, Hogan International, which claims to have extensive experience dealing with missing-person cases.
[..]
When contacted by the Daily Mail, Mr Hogan confirmed that he had spoken to many of the holidaymakers now back in Britain.
He said: "I have been reinterviewing a number of the witnesses that were out in Portugal at the time."
He added that his investigation would tie in with the enquiry being conducted by the Spanish detective agency Metodo 3 in Barcelona.
Since four-year- old Madeleine's disappearance, well-wishers have contributed over £1million to the fund to help find her.
The McCanns have spent much of this money on Metodo 3, which is being paid £50,000 a month to lead the search for their daughter.
[..]
But yesterday a source close to the family said that Kate and Gerry were keeping faith with Metodo 3 in spite of their concerns.
But the source confirmed that they have also authorised the employment of Mr Hogan to coordinate the UK end of the investigation.
Metodo 3 are currently trying to re-interview an Irish family who said they saw a man carrying away a child on the night Madeleine disappeared.
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Post by PeterMac on 29.06.13 11:30

Proably worthy of its own thread, but this was from Joana Morais
New detectives hired by the McCanns are criticized

A former Scotland Yard detective hired to search for Madeleine McCann is conducting a private murder investigation to discredit police evidence against her parents.
But last night fears were raised that Noel Hogan might not be up to the job.
Mr Hogan, who runs a private detective agency, has re-interviewed British witnesses including the McCanns holiday friends.

He is also understood to have gone through the McCanns’ own statements in minute detail with the couple.
In a startling twist, Kate and Gerry’s lawyers have ordered that their own inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance, while on holiday in Portugal last May, should focus on the theory that the three-year-old was killed and her body hidden.
Hogan International, which specialises in asset investigations, is taking over the case after the McCanns benefactors voiced dismay at the lack of tangible progress made by the Spanish agency Metodo 3.
Sources close to the inquiry say the two firms have a history of rivalry after previously clashing over conflicting investigations.

In an exclusive interview with the Sunday Express, Mr Hogan revealed that his previous experience of missing people cases was limited to tracing beneficiaries of wills. He also admitted that despite the high profile of the Madeleine investigation, his 12-strong team of former detectives and ex-SAS men were already handling around 5,000 cases.

Speaking from his office in a rundown tower block in Aldershot, Hants, Mr Hogan refused to say how much he was being paid. He said: ‘I don’t want to become part of the circus surrounding Madeleine. I am not allowed to go into operational detail and I just do what I am told.

‘We deal with all matters of investigation, but it is true that normally the missing people we deal with are those who have inherited something and then disappeared. We have never dealt with a missing child.

‘I am not going to boast about success rates like Metodo 3, because that did nobody a favour. We have one office and there are 12 people who work here. If I need to I can bring other people in.

‘When the police have a big case they do not stop investigating all the others they are working on.

‘I have a lot of people who I know who are ex-policemen and know how to handle a criminal investigation.

‘The Portuguese police have put a complete closedown on any facts. Normally in this country you would have a liaison officer with the family.’

Another former Scotland Yard officer, who has given unofficial advice to the McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, last night voiced his concern at the appointment. He said: I cannot understand why they have chosen to go with Mr Hogan because he simply does not have the resources or the back-up to conduct a major investigation.

The advice I have given to the McCanns was to urge them to request a meeting with Scotland Yard and to ask them to take over the British side of the investigation. The Yard has a very sophisticated and well-resourced kidnap squad, which deals with more than 300 abductions a year, far more than any other force in Britain. Forces from around the world turn to them for advice.

My view is that the McCanns should not waste money with private investigators but should get the best police in Britain on the job.

I think the role of Leicestershire Police is confused. At first they sent officers to Portugal to offer liaison assistance to the McCanns but now it appears they are investigating them on behalf of the Portuguese. It has become a mess.

Last night Mr Hogan retorted: I was in Surrey Police for four years and the Met after that. I finished top of my CID course but decided to leave to start my own business.

I am not a disgraced former policeman. I deal in professional investigations and I have been doing this a long time.
Control Risks Group, which is advising the investigation on behalf of the McCanns billionaire backer Brian Kennedy, are also reported have taken on a larger role.
But no significant new lines of inquiry are being examined and, despite an overwhelming response to their Christmas appeal, the McCanns have been advised to focus on their own defence.
A source close to the family said: The investigation is working towards a resolution and we have to consider that Madeleine may have been murdered.
We have been working to the theory she may have been killed and all the possible scenarios are being considered.
Of course we hope very much that she is alive but nothing can be ruled out.

Eight months after Madeleine vanished, Portuguese detectives have made it clear they think Kate and Gerry staged an abduction in an attempt to provide a smokescreen for a more sinister crime.

Original link was http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/31295/Madeleine-Fears-detective-not-up-to-job
but it has been whooshed !lots more at
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/01/madeleine-mccann-court-will-decide.html

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I just hope they will prove the job they are paid for.  yes 

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