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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by IAmNotMerylStreep on 28.06.11 22:22

@Pat Brown wrote:BUT, NotMeryl, your point about the two dogs is very important. What are the chances that two dogs with two different skills which show two different events (injury and death) hit on the same place?

Indeed....not just behind the sofa but both of them also in the hire car winkwink


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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by ROSA on 28.06.11 22:37

Pat wrote
The fact that the staging WAS so bad indicates panic, not serious premeditation or planning.
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i dont agree i see a group of 9 people trying hard to put a lie together and no matter how hard they plan they dont know in advance what questions were going to asked their statements show many holes and if a reconstruction happens it can only add a bigger hole which i hope they fall down !

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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by Sopheira_Charosi on 28.06.11 22:47

It is very good to see you here Ms Brown. What can we do to help you get the case reopened please? Obrigada.

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Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by Pat Brown on 28.06.11 23:10

Pressure, lots of pressure, would be the only way to get this police to feel they MUST reinvestigate the McCanns and the rest of the Tapas group. As far as I can see, the pros spend an incredible amount of time spewing vitriolic stuff and calling people haters of Maddie and families of victims and the rest of the general folk just go with sympathy. Unless the "antis' and the media can really hit home the lack of evidence for the abduction and swing the pendulum the other way, I think the case will remain unsolved.

I hope my Profile can have impact but it needs to get to the media and people who are willing to promote it (or its message) or allow me to speak on the matter. Right now, the pros, and oddly, one sort-of-anti group who appears to be angry over the profile not being free or angry that I have a level of media presence in America, are attacking me right and left on Twitter and setting up websites accusing me of all sorts of nastiness. I can live with all that (won't be the first time I have had libelous stuff said about me and it won't be the last) but if there is not a push to getting my profile points into the media, it will be rather a waste. Certainly, considering I do television almost on a daily basis in the US and the money from this book is very small (I wanted it to be in the paid column under Kate McCann's book and at a small price not be be mocked as free and worthless..heh), I gain little from speaking out UNLESS it promotes a real investigation of the McCanns and the Tapas 7. This is what I hope but I need EVERYONE'S help spreading the word to websites, bloggers, on Amazon, and to the media. I AM rather an objective person (although some will say I have it out for the McCanns which, to some extent, is true but only because I believe they are not telling the truth, obstructing justice, taking people's money, and they committed a crime which led, in one way or another, to the death (or "abduction") of Madeleine) in that I am from the US, a professional profiler, well-known in the media, and have no stake in this case other than justice.

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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by Gillyspot on 28.06.11 23:13

Hi Pat

It is great to see you on our forum.

I have read your kindle book 3 times and there are only a couple of questions.

How do you explain the cadaver scent in the wardrobe and how could Gerry be seen by the Smiths at 10pm and be back when Kate raised the alarm - where could he have hidden Madeleine in such a short space of time?

Otherwise I think you are spot on to be honest.

Certainly we all want a new investigation but hopefully this will be a "transparent" one with no preconceived ideas and no influence from political and media circles - we live in hope!


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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by Pat Brown on 28.06.11 23:20

Honeybunch,

That bit about Gerry possibly hiding Madeleine's body and being back at the Tapas by ten was discussed in the profile! The question is, was Gerry really back at the Tapas by the time Kate announced Madeleine being missing? So far, I have not read any believable witnesses on that. There is also the possibility that Kate actually raise the alarm earlier and it was after discovering Maddie's body that Gerry went off to hide it. Much of that timeline is murky, but a couple of things are for sure; there is no proof of an abduction and the McCanns did not want the 10 pm sighting to be that of the abductor.

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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by Gillyspot on 28.06.11 23:23

I agree with that. Clearly the way they ignore the Smiths sighting and indeed KM misquotes their statements in her book proves it.

So is David Paynes visit earlier that evening suspect - it is in my opinion (not written a book - lol)

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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by ufercoffy on 28.06.11 23:28

Hi Pat roses

I think you will find that this forum will be the best one on the net for analysis of this case. We have a former lawyer, former chief of police, a funeral director, a few journalists etc and now we have you Mrs

People on this forum have worked for over 4 years to find out what happened to Madeleine so if we can help you get this case reopened then we are your man!

I don't know if you've had time to read any of Tony Bennett's articles, but I hope you do.

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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by puzzled on 29.06.11 0:45

@Pat Brown wrote:Puzzled,

The McCann's definitely show traits of narcissism but how far up the continuum from normal to psychopathic is the question. I tend to think they aren't totally on the far end, but, my stomach rather does turn when they speak and I have the odd desire to go take a shower after watching one of their videos, so there is something terribly off-putting about their behavior, a sense of being manipulated and used. From what I see which matches narcissism is that the individual wouldn't go out and purposefully commit a crime like murder or rape, but would justify what they do if if feeds their ego through a narcissistic stream of incoming reinforcement. So, going out for the evening with friends and leaving the children alone (oh, but safely tucked in) makes one feel good as opposed to being stuck away from the group doing childcare. Likewise, protecting oneself from accusations of neglect and accidental death in order to raise the other children and protect their friends from like accusations is a good thing, not a bad thing. Then, getting lots of money to search for Madeleine raises awareness for all missing children and, therefore, is not such a bad thing. Get my drift?

Yes, I certainly do!

It's just that listening to Gerry McCann in particular, there seem to be a lot of very subtle semantic and logical contradictions in the things he says, that he doesn't seem to be aware of, which is quite characteristic of a you-know-what. Things like saying he sensed there was an intruder in the apartment when he went to check. Which to anyone else would raise the question - why did he walk out again and leave three toddlers to their fate? But he doesn't seem to see the connection. And the fact that they thought it was OK to leave children of that age by themselves for half an hour speaks volumes.

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A response to Pat Brown

Post by Tony Bennett on 29.06.11 1:43

@Pat Brown wrote:Pressure, lots of pressure, would be the only way to get this police to feel they MUST reinvestigate the McCanns and the rest of the Tapas group.

Good evening Pat (I think it's getting around to evening in most of the U.S., it's gone 1am here), welcome to this forum and thank you for your e-book and also for contributing to this forum here.

I respond to endorse, and strongly endorse, the above sentence of yours. There has been some wonderful research done within the various Madeleine McCann forums, some wonderful debates and discussions, but to a large extent the McCann Team can ignore forum discussions, as perhaps this quote on page 311 of Dr Kate McCann's book illustrates: "Up to that point, this man's activities had always been confined to the internet and therefore, presumably, to like-minded individuals. Now he was spreading them in the community..."

That was a reference to The Madeleine Foundation's '10 Reasons' leaflet, now effectively banned by the McCanns; the reference to 'this man' was of course to myself.

It has always been part of my strategy in this case to take our message out to people and also to press the powers-that-be with reasonable demands e.g. Freedom of Information requests, demands for a full public enquiry etc.

[Public enquiry petition link: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/289/petition-for-a-full-public-enquiry-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-with-the-power-to/
767 signatures to date].

The McCann Team is hugely resourced financially and with heavyweights in the media, the legal profession and elsewhere, whereas, by contrast, on our side we have been disparate, poorly organised, without financial resources and, to a large extent, not nearly so effective as we could and should have been. Nevertheless, history records that David beat Goliath with one, well directed single blow.

We shall have to agree to disagree on your suggestion that Madeleine died after 8.30pm on Thursday 3 May. I have restricted ability, by virtue of a legal undertaking I have signed, to say all I should like to say about what happened to Madeleine McCann, but put it this way, if she did indeed die in the McCanns' apartment, for which IMO there is a lot of evidence, including circumstantial evidence, then the balance of evidence to me clearly points to her death earlier in the week. I agree with the poster (ROSA I think) who suggested that the chaotic events of the evening of 3 May are not necessarily indicative of a sudden event that very evening.

On your specific point about there being little evidence of Dr Gerald McCann's presence around the Ocean Club at about 10.00pm, here I am inclined to agree with you, though there is a reference I think by one of the staff (can't remember which one) to Dr McCann 'roaring like a bull' and running round like a mad thing around the pool at just before 10.00pm IIRC. But then there are other discrepancies aroud what happened at around this time; equally I find no convincing evidence from witnesses that Dr Kate McCann ran down to the Tapas restaurant as claimed. I think the alarm may have been raised with some sort of signal from around the McCanns' apartment when the agreed time (10.00pm) had been reached.

On the Smith sighting, I note that 'honeybunch' has referred to the McCanns discounting the Smith sighting.

On the contrary, the McCanns have carefully worked that sightging into their narrative of what happened that night. In the Channel 4/Mentorn documentary transmitted (I think) on 7 May 2009 (Known as the 'Mockumentary'), the McCann Team tried to combine the two 'sightings' - Tanner's at 9.15pm and Smith's at 9.50/9.55pm - even suggesting that both witnesses saw the child being carried in exactly the same way, which is manifestly incorrect (Tanner says: across both arms, Smith says: on his shoulders).

It is noteworthy that on pages 370-1 of her book, Dr Kate McCann makes much of the 'similarities' between the two descriptions of the men, which she declares are so 'striking' that 'they speak for themselves'.

Not to me they don't: Tanner man has thick, dark, long black hair while Smith man has, and I quote from Dr McCann's own book, 'short, brown' hair.

Besides that, the idea of an abductor wandering around Praia da Luz for 40 minutes or more with a child is risible.

I have always considered that the Smiths saw someone else, not Dr Gerald McCann.

I will re-read your book soon as we are currently looking at compiling some sort of digest of all the circumstantial evidence in this case and in that respect I think your book has much of interest for us.

Finally, I am currently researching material for a couple of our in-depth articles, one on Brian Kennedy and one on Metodo 3 detective Antonio Jimenez (the bloke who was suspected of corrupt activity with drug-dealers involving the theft of £25 million worth of cocaine and who was thrown into jail for this in February 2008). In the course of my research, I came across a Daily Mail article of 3 Novemebr 2007, which features some of Jimenez' work as a Metodo detective in Portugal, in which the writer said: "This is the most compelling mystery in living memory".

I expect you might agree.


As far as I can see, the pros spend an incredible amount of time spewing vitriolic stuff and calling people haters of Maddie and families of victims and the rest of the general folk just go with sympathy. Unless the "antis' and the media can really hit home the lack of evidence for the abduction and swing the pendulum the other way, I think the case will remain unsolved.

I hope my Profile can have impact but it needs to get to the media and people who are willing to promote it (or its message) or allow me to speak on the matter. Right now, the pros, and oddly, one sort-of-anti group who appears to be angry over the profile not being free or angry that I have a level of media presence in America, are attacking me right and left on Twitter and setting up websites accusing me of all sorts of nastiness. I can live with all that (won't be the first time I have had libelous stuff said about me and it won't be the last) but if there is not a push to getting my profile points into the media, it will be rather a waste. Certainly, considering I do television almost on a daily basis in the US and the money from this book is very small (I wanted it to be in the paid column under Kate McCann's book and at a small price not be be mocked as free and worthless..heh), I gain little from speaking out UNLESS it promotes a real investigation of the McCanns and the Tapas 7. This is what I hope but I need EVERYONE'S help spreading the word to websites, bloggers, on Amazon, and to the media. I AM rather an objective person (although some will say I have it out for the McCanns which, to some extent, is true but only because I believe they are not telling the truth, obstructing justice, taking people's money, and they committed a crime which led, in one way or another, to the death (or "abduction") of Madeleine) in that I am from the US, a professional profiler, well-known in the media, and have no stake in this case other than justice.

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Post by Pat Brown on 29.06.11 2:13

Tony,

You are absolutely spot on with the just Internet musing stuff; this is exactly why I wrote the profile in the form of a book so that it would be taken more seriously.

I have no problem with an alternate theory as to when and how Madeleine disappeared; this is why we call them theories! When I work with the police, I present the profile with explanations as to how I arrived at a conclusion and based on what. Then, if there is other information that would change that conclusion, I am always happy to reevaluate or have the detective reevaluate. Likewise, sometimes it is possible to interpret things slightly differently and this is why everything remains a theory until enough evidence can be uncovered to turn it into a court case and get a conviction.

I think one thing is very clear though: there is no evidence of an abduction, there is something amiss with the stories of the Tapas 9, and the McCanns DID commit a criminal act in neglecting their children (or worse).

I have sent over an email to TalkSport radio and to Piers Morgan. I shall see if there is a response from either.

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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by Angelique on 29.06.11 2:36

I would like to say welcome2 as well though rather late.

I agree that we need to get more media attention to the lack of the evidence of an "abduction. I also think that Kate although gaining sympathy by writing her Book - has also drawn a certain amount of attention to "the opposition" which will help. I also think that the newspapers although "effectively gagged" by the powerful supporters of the McCanns are silently using the articles they do print to show - albeit surreptitiously - a modicum of support by allowing comments and strategic suggestive articles alongside the McCann articles. I do think we must do more as you suggest.

However, your Profile for sale on Amazon and presence on the scene is our American spearhead which will spur us on!


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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by Me on 29.06.11 9:09

@Pat Brown wrote:Honeybunch,

That bit about Gerry possibly hiding Madeleine's body and being back at the Tapas by ten was discussed in the profile! The question is, was Gerry really back at the Tapas by the time Kate announced Madeleine being missing? So far, I have not read any believable witnesses on that. There is also the possibility that Kate actually raise the alarm earlier and it was after discovering Maddie's body that Gerry went off to hide it. Much of that timeline is murky, but a couple of things are for sure; there is no proof of an abduction and the McCanns did not want the 10 pm sighting to be that of the abductor.

Hi Pat & welcome from me!

The timelines from the independent witnesses simply don't match the timelines given by the Tapas group. If you look at the statements from people outside of the McCann’s and their friends, the earliest alert comes from the resort's executive chef who claims he was made aware of the missing girl at 21.20 some 40 minutes before Kate's claimed time of discovery.

Here's the timeline as complied from the PJ files by "kazlux" over on the Mccann files website:

21:15/21:30 Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine, Ocean Club guest S.C. and his wife left the Tapas bar to go home: "We walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi-circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and I calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry's apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling "Madeleine, Madeleine", this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine's disappearance".

21:20, Executive Chef A.E.G.F.P. heard some clamour, which made him leave toward the restaurant, a few metres away, and was then informed that a child had disappeared.

At around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;

Property manager B.J.J.W. heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21:30 – 21:40 from P.B., a Dutchman and owner of the Atlántico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in Praia da Luz, and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine. He then went to the place where the events occurred which was at about 21:45 – 21:50. At this time various local people and MW staff were present. When questioned he said that the police had not yet arrived and that about 5 minutes had passed.

Dinner finished at around 21:45 and some minutes passed where waiter R.A.E.D.L.O. looked towards the table but saw no one—his colleague told him that all the guests of that table left rapidly and abruptly. He remembers having heard shouts in the direction of the McCann apartment;

Between 21.30 and 22:00 Fitness instructor/Waiter J.R.S. went over to the table and joked with Dianne Webster: "They've left you alone?" She responded more of less with these words: "No, they went to see if the little girl was there." I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man, who I knew later to be Madeleine's father, running to the pool and to the children's play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Millennium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21:30 and 22:00 but do not remember with certainty.

Approx. 21:55 The Smith Family, (4 adults and 5 children) are returning from 'Kelly's Bar', heading north, all spread out along the street and they pass a man walking down the middle of the street, carrying a child, with the head against his left shoulder and the arms hanging down alongside the body, in light coloured or pink pyjamas, bare feet, pale skin typical of British and blonde, shoulder-length hair; the girl is about 3-4 years old, about 1 metre tall. - The man is not dressed like a tourist; he's wearing cream or beige trousers, classic cut, of linen or cotton. He is white, 30-35 yrs, 1.70-1.80 meters tall, average build, physically fit, short, brown hair, with a face that looks tanned. (GA)

Clearly when you add these statements together you can see that the group have come up with a point of discovery at 10.00 pm when no one independent of their coterie corroborates that.

You have to ask the question why? Is it because Gerry having run into the Smiths needed an alibi?

Also i posted this last week in relation to the Smiths sighting. Martin Smith said:

Mr Smith stated that the suspect he saw was wearing beige trousers, possibly with Buttons

Look who we have a picture of wearing mathcing trousers:



Also in relation to the "abductor's jacket", here's what the drawings and their reconstruction shows the abductor wearing:



Now again let's see if someone we know has something similar:



So we have a sighting matching Gerry's description, matching trousers we know he had and a matching jacket we also know he had. On top of that we have Mr Smith's 60-80% match of Gerry plus the 10.00 pm alibi has now just gone out of the window.

I wonder what happened to those clothes and i wonder if they were in with the batch the dogs sniffed or not.

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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by nomendelta on 29.06.11 9:54

Welcome to the forum Pat.

I very much enjoyed your Profile ebook although, like many on this forum, I feel there is more to the story and that whatever happened to Maddie happened before May 3rd. Even so, your theory is pretty sound on the basic facts and I wish you all the luck in getting the British media to pay your theory some attention. You ARE going to need luck because the stranglehold this couple have over the British press is, IMHO, unprecedented. Not even the Royal Family escape cricticism, yet the McCanns get a genuine photo of them laughing happily at a book launch in Amsterdam removed because it doesn't show them in a good light.

This is one of the perplexing issues of the case - the power these people wield - and is something missing from your profile. Nevertheless IF you get the book some slight publicity I feel you may well get the ball rolling to revealing the truth. As your Profile gets more and more attention the McCanns are going to be put into a no-win situation. They can't refute your theory as it is pretty solid based on the known facts but nor can they afford to ignore the theory and that means they may be drawn into defending themselves AND hopefully letting things slip.

Good luck!

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Post by Guest on 29.06.11 9:55

Interesting comment on Pat's facebook page from Mike Hardy (spudgun I believe)............


Mike Hardy

Pat. For what it's worth, (and to me, personally, it's worth a LOT), it may interest you to know that 2 VERY Senior BRITISH police officers who have had involvement with the McCann case, (NOT Leicestershire officers), are of absolutely no doubt that Madeleine is dead and that her parents were complicit in her 'disappearance'.

I have had meetings with one of these officers recently in relation to a case I am working on in the North of England, and his knowledge of the McCann case is thorough and most impressive. Of course, I WILL not and CAN not, (at least for the forseable future), NAME the officers or their respective divisions, but it is comforting to know that the contrived tissue of lies and propoganda, as concocted by C. Mitchell Esq, does not extend to the decent, able and formidable skills of Britain's finest 'Old Bill', of the type that I was beginning to fear had all but disappeared

10 hours ago



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Post by ufercoffy on 29.06.11 11:05

Hello Pat

I have just finished reading your book about Madeleine and it is a superb piece of writing that kept me gripped right to the end. I finished reading the book in tears because if your theory is to be believed then I could envisage Kate holding Madeleine either behind the sofa or on the beach. It's heartbreaking really to think of the day Madeleine died.

I have a question though please - if, as you say Madeleine may have been moved to the beach/cliffs/Spain etc then why does Dr Amaral say there was evidence of refrigeration/bodily fluids in the hire car? What you describe would have resulted in mummification, which Dr Amaral rules out. How could there be bodily fluids in the hire car if Madeleine was at the beach or cliffs?

Having said that about Kate earlier on and feeling very sad for her holding Madeleine, I also feel very confused and even angry when I see photo's where they're smiling, jogging etc so soon after Madeleine died behind the sofa.

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Post by Guest on 29.06.11 11:10

That is very encouraging news Candyfloss, thank you. I feel quite elated to also know that Spudgun was desperate to speak with Kiko recently over the dubious creche records. Perhaps things are now coming together very nicely !!

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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by Big Vern on 29.06.11 12:03

@Pat Brown wrote:
I have sent over an email to TalkSport radio and to Piers Morgan. I shall see if there is a response from either.
I assure you that there will be no response Pat.
These people do NOT disobey their masters.

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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by happychick on 29.06.11 13:00

@Big Vern wrote:
@Pat Brown wrote:
I have sent over an email to TalkSport radio and to Piers Morgan. I shall see if there is a response from either.
I assure you that there will be no response Pat.
These people do NOT disobey their masters.

I'd like to think that Pat would get some kind of acknowledgement as she has earned herself a name in the USA. It would be rude to ignore her email. Good luck Pat thumbsup

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Post by Cherry on 29.06.11 18:12

Big Vern I suggested Talksport Mike Graham to Pat for the following reason.

Previously on Talksport when James Whale was on it, he frequently had CM on it and allowed him to spin and spin, it was during a James Whale show when James referred to the Fund as a charity on at least two occasions and CM didnt correct him and say it wasnt charity. I believe it was also a James whale show on Talksport where CM was telling people to put money in an envelope addressed to Kate and Gerry and send it off to them.

James would not allow any kind of questionning of the story on his show, if there was anyone trying to say anything against the Mccanns James did not allow them to speak andcut them off and then was very abusive about them.

I have seen Ian Collins do exactly the same thing, abuse people who are just trying to question the story and not allow them to speak.

it was James also who cut Tony off and didnt allow him to have his say.

However more recently Mke Graham was discussing the Review and he felt that money should not be spent on one case as it wouldnt do any good, he invited people to ring in and have their say - Iwas shocked that he allowed people to say whatever they wanted, there were many who were ringing up criticising the Mccanns, Mike may have disagreed with them on some points but the important thing is - he didnt cut them off, he didnt try and shut them up, and he wasnt abusive about them. This was so refreshing to see him allow people to have their say. (now whether his bosses told him off afterwards for allowing people to criticise the Mccanns is another story) but it will be interesting to see if he does agree to let her come on.

it may help if as many people as possible email Mike Graham at Talksport and say everyone is discussing the Profile and it would be great if he got Pat on one night.

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A particularly bizarre statement

Post by Marian on 29.06.11 20:12

Thanks Puzzled for reminding me of Gerry's comment that, on his supposed earlier check of the children, he sensed that there could be someone else there, yet he simply left without investigating. Does anyone know if he has ever been challenged on this frankly unbelievable statement and, if so, what was his reply?

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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by nomendelta on 29.06.11 21:33

Don't make too much of Gerry's comment - I don't think so much he has said that he sensed someone was there, more that in retrospect he said someone COULD have been there during that check. Purely and simply I think it was just a comment to attempt to add credence to the abduction thesis - and also against criticism that the window of opportunity was too small for an abduction. By suggesting the abductor was present during an earlier check (despite Amaral pointing out that nobody could have been hidden behind the door as Gerry suggests) the window of opportunity is made out to be greater.

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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by ROSA on 29.06.11 21:55

candyfloss wrote:Interesting comment on Pat's facebook page from Mike Hardy (spudgun I believe)............


Mike Hardy

Pat. For what it's worth, (and to me, personally, it's worth a LOT), it may interest you to know that 2 VERY Senior BRITISH police officers who have had involvement with the McCann case, (NOT Leicestershire officers), are of absolutely no doubt that Madeleine is dead and that her parents were complicit in her 'disappearance'.

I have had meetings with one of these officers recently in relation to a case I am working on in the North of England, and his knowledge of the McCann case is thorough and most impressive. Of course, I WILL not and CAN not, (at least for the forseable future), NAME the officers or their respective divisions, but it is comforting to know that the contrived tissue of lies and propoganda, as concocted by C. Mitchell Esq, does not extend to the decent, able and formidable skills of Britain's finest 'Old Bill', of the type that I was beginning to fear had all but disappeared

10 hours ago



ETA link http://www.facebook.com/pages/Profile-of-the-Disappearance-of-Madeleine-McCann/137592626316577?sk=wall
This is good news
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Re: Profile of the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Post by Willo on 29.06.11 22:57

In regards to contacting Talksport I contacted George Galloway, among others, at the station back in Oct 2007. I first emailed his show but was ignored. I then sent a email direct to his website I think. I thought George was the champion of the people, not afraid to throw his weight behind any good cause. But even George backed off this one. Not afraid to ruffle all sorts of feathers over any crisis in the Middle East or indeed the world but not willing or able to help seek justice for a four year old girl. George's show was called the 'Mother of all Talk Shows'. The 'Watch with Mother Talkshow' seemed more apt at the time.
If George Galloway won't help I fear it will be hard to get any help from anyone in the media. Excepting maybe overseas people like Pat Brown who are beyond the tentacles (at the moment) that seem to choke any public debate or recognition of the affair in Britain.

Here is the email and the short reply I eventually received:

On 28/10/2007, willo


Hi George,

Sent a mail to your radio show but maybe you missed it. I hope you have not been frightened off the subject.
What is going on in the Madeleine McCann case?


It, from the outside, looks like a huge cover up. Too many big players involved. Can you ask the right
questions in the house to allay many peoples fears that justice is being manipulated by the 'big brothers'? Or are you not allowed to interfere either?

Something funny is going on that needs to be discovered? No or limited press coverage. The PM ringing suspects directly and appointment of a government man for PR to name a few.

It's not right George and I trust as champion of the people you will investigate these going ons?
The Portuguese people have been greatly slandered to save whos arse I wonder?

Love your show on talksport,
Cheers,


Willo.

The very short reply I got is below :

I don't think anything can or should be done until the police conclude their investigation. There is too much speculation already.

George


Visit George's official website http://www.georgegalloway.com

Sign up to our mailing list here
http://www.georgegalloway.com/page.php?page=content/contact_mlist.html&utm_source=mailsig&utm_medium=email

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Mr Galloway is not afraid of mixing it with world powers as seen by headlines below, but it seems he was not keen or not allowed to get involved in the McCann case and take on the might of Kate and Gerry. I have a feeling he would have loved to help but even his hands were tied.


Galloway condemns NATO's cold-blooded murder of innocent children in Libya

Watch George battle with the News of the World

Galloway vs Donald Trump

Galloway launches $1.5million legal action against Canadian government

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