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People who tried to be helpful 3/4th May

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Post by Guest on 16.06.11 14:11

Just been reading Kate's book, she really is not nice about some of the people who tried to help - in fact what she says about Mrs fenn is totally different to the statement Mrs Fenn made where she offered to call police. ..............


At some point, Emma Knights, the Mark Warner customer-care manager, came in and sat on the bed near me. She was very nice and tried her best to comfort me, but my grief was so agonizing and so personal that I wasn’t sure whether I wanted her there or not. I didn’t really want anyone around me but people I knew well. Another British woman, in her late forties or early fifties, turned up on our veranda at one point and kept trying to put her arm round me. She was quite drunk and smelled of cigarettes and I remember willing her to go away.

Then a lady appeared on a balcony – I’m fairly certain this was about 11pm, before the police arrived – and, in a plummy voice, inquired, ‘Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?’ I explained as clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded, ‘Oh, I see,’ almost as if she’d just been told that a can of beans had fallen off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction. I recollect that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short and to the point.chapter 5




And this is interesting, about I think maybe YM - I hadn't realised she was around on more than one occasion - it seems she "popped" up for several times in the months ahead. Why? The strange thing is though, even though she "popped up" lots of times, KM says she didn't really know who she was and what she was trying to achieve??? Eh? She showed her her credentials on the first meeting. Very odd. I hadn't heard this before..............




Not having slept for some twenty-six hours I was starting to feel quite jaded but my mind was teeming with horrific images. A middle-aged British lady suddenly materialized beside me and introduced herself. She announced that she was, or had been, a social worker or child protection officer and insisted on showing me her professional papers, including, I think, her Criminal Records Bureau certificate. She asked me to sit down on a low wall, plonked herself next to me and told me she wanted me to go through everything that had happened the previous night. She was quite pushy and her manner, her very presence, were making me feel uncomfortable and adding to my distress.
David was standing nearby. Concerned, he took me aside and pointed out that we didn’t know who this woman was or what she was doing there. He reassured me that I wasn’t obliged to speak to her if I didn’t want to. And I didn’t want to. Whoever she was, and whatever her credentials were, it was an inappropriate intrusion. And something about it, something about her, just didn’t feel right. I was glad I extricated myself. This woman would pop up several times in the days and months to come and I still don’t really know who she is or what she was trying to achieve.


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Re: People who tried to be helpful 3/4th May

Post by Cherry on 16.06.11 14:23

It seems another untrue statement from Kate, how can she say she didnt know
who she was when YM explained who she was and Kate has previously acknowledged this, the trouble with not telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth is that in the end you forget what you have previously said.
Also YM seemingly came forward to offer help yet Kate describes this as an intrusion, personally if I had a child who had gone missing I would be welcoming people coming forward offering help/support with open arms, so rather strange that she saw it in a negative way.

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Post by carly1979 on 16.06.11 14:23

i have kates book imo its a fairytale of lies talking about things such as as her daughters perfect genitals etc she has issues

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Post by Cherry on 16.06.11 14:33

I think imo the book does show that her mind is disturbed.

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Post by carly1979 on 16.06.11 14:36

@Cherry wrote:I think imo the book does show that her mind is disturbed.

the big question is was it disturbed all along IE PPD etc or did a mother possibly snap????

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Post by Guest on 16.06.11 14:40

Yvonne Martin statement

Processos Volume XIII Pages 3425 - 3428

Witness Statement

Date: 2007.06.13

Time: 12H00

Name: YVONE WARREN MARTIN


Profession: Social Services and Child Protection

The witness is accompanied by a PJ interpreter, Carlos Moura, as she does not speak Portuguese.


She says that she has lived in Portugal for seven years on a part-time basis, in other words, for some months of the year she lives in her home in Sargaçal and

for the rest of the year lives in England, where she still works.

During the past month of May or more precisely on the 04th of May 2007, the witness was in Portugal, enjoying holidays, when at about 07H00 she turned on the television and watched an English news channel (BBC or SKY NEWS) where she saw an appeal to British citizens on holiday in the Algarve to offer all possible support to a British couple who were on holiday in Praia da Luz and whose daughter, a child, had disappeared on May 03, 2007.

As she works directly with situations of children at risk, and as she was very close to Praia da Luz, she went there with the intention of offering her help and support to the couple, she arrived there at about 09H30.

She clarifies that she did not leave immediately for Praia da Luz as she still had some things to do at home but left at around 09H00.

At first, she could not locate the exact site where the family was staying on holiday. Upon seeing a police patrol car which passed close by her, she asked the police if they could show her the right location. She was accompanied by the patrol car to the apartment from where the child had disappeared and where the parents were staying.

At the scene, she found a group of three people, two males and one female.

She went over to the group and identified herself.
Two members of that group, a male and a female, identified themselves as the parents of the missing child - the McCann couple.

The couple was visibly upset, and the mother was crying intensely.

The third person never identified himself, upon the witness's insistence the couple replied that he was a close friend of the family.

She adds that this third person appeared familiar to her.

Taking advantage of the information that she had heard on the news, she began questioning the couple about how often they had checked on the children, obtaining the reply that people would go to see them every hour.

As is normal and routine in her service, she asked whether Gerry was the biological father of the missing child, to which he replied yes.

She clarifies that she asked this question because during the course of her 25 years of service working with children at risk, it is very normal that when a couple has child and where the father or the mother is not a biological parent, the biological parent may have a tendency to come and "get" his child.

After having obtained the verbal response from Gerry, the mother, Kate, questioned what she was doing asking these questions which should be asked by the police, who were already on the scene in large numbers searching for her daughter, who had been taken by a couple.

At this moment, the witness notices that the couple began to have doubts about her capacity and she immediately showed them her official documents and credentials issued by the British government to calm them down.

Gerry took her documents and showed them to the third person and told him that they were authentic and were certified by the police.

At this moment, the witness wishes to clarify that, in England, anyone who works with children, whether a doctor, police officer or social worker, has to have a proper credential certified by the police and that this was one of the documents she showed to the McCanns.

Because she found it strange that Kate told her that her daughter had been taken by a couple, she tried to separate her from the other two individuals so that she could speak to her with more privacy, suggesting to Kate that they (Y and K) should enter the apartment, Kate aggressively rejected this idea and told her that they could speak on the street.


The witness then asked whether anyone from the Medical Centre had been with Kate as she was very agitated and needed some support, she was told they hadn't.

At this point, Kate told her that her daughter had disappeared 13 hours ago. It was about 10 in the morning.

Meanwhile a fourth individual came towards the group and identified himself as a journalist. The witness alerted the couple to the type of statements they should give and that it would be better for them to keep silent.

At this moment, the third person, who was always near to the couple and the witness, moved the couple away from her and the three of them talked in whispers for some time.

After this, and leaving the couple behind him, he approached the witness and told her that the couple did not want to speak any more with her, nor with anyone else.

The witness replied to him that if the McCann couple felt the need to talk to her later, she would be at their total disposal.

As she said earlier, this third person of the group is familiar to her, and thinks
that she may have come across him in the course of her work, as a suspect or witness.

She describes him as tall man, height about 1,80 m, about 35 years old, of normal physical complexion, with short, dark hair, with a round face and with a scar on the left side of his face running from the eyebrow to the check. He uses graduated glasses of small dimension with rectangular lenses. He spoke with a southern English accent and was wearing cream coloured trousers and a dark polo shirt
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When asked whether that it would be possible to identify him from a photograph, the witness replied yes.

She adds that, after having spoken to the McCann couple, she spoke to the resort manager, and after identifying herself, asked him whether there had been a break-in in the apartment where the child was, to which he replied no but that the door was open as were the window blinds, which, according to Kate, should have been closed but were found open.

No more was said. Reads, ratifies, signs.


Second statement.......

Witness Statement

Date: 2007/11/14
Time: 10H30
Place: DIC Portimao

Name: YVONNE WARREN MARTIN


Profession: Social Services and Child Protection
[snipped]

She says that about two weeks after Madeleine's disappearance, when the police made an appeal for information about a man, carrying a child, who had been seen in the Luz zone, and whose clothing was described, she wrote an anonymous letter to the British police, telling them the following: : regarding the various details she observed during her contact with the McCanns it is her opinion that they could be in some way involved in the disappearance of Madeleine.

She first found them aggressive and their reaction after she showed Madeleine's parents her credentials, also seemed strange to her. Afterwards she was informed that there were no signs of a break-in in the apartment. Knowing that they are doctors she found it absolutely abnormal that they left their children alone at home. Associating all of this with her professional experience, which tells her that in 99.99 % of missing children cases, the parents or other family members are involved, she felt it was her duty to inform the police of this.

She did this anonymously because she did not want to be bothered by the media. But she also states that according to what she remembers, when she met with Madeleine's parents, David Payne, who was with them, was wearing a dark polo shirt, blue or black coloured, cream coloured long trousers, of linen or cotton, and dark shoes (sandal/slipper type without a back buckle/catch). In her opinion, this clothing matches perfectly with the clothing the Police described the man (carrying the child) to be wearing at the time. All these coincidences made the witness think that the parents and their friends could possibly be involved in the disappearance of the child.

She declares that one of her main aims when she wrote the anonymous letter was for the British police to check the paedophile or child abusers registers and whether David Payne was on that list.

No more was said. Reads, ratifies, signs.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm



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Re: People who tried to be helpful 3/4th May

Post by Cherry on 16.06.11 14:52

Thanks for the statements, it appears from reading them that in fact YM was extremely caring and trying to be supportive to Kate, even enquiring about whether the medical centre had sent anyone, she clearly showed Kate her credentials so the question has to be asked why is Kate making statements about not knowing who she was, this is blatantly untrue. It also seems that it was DP who was most anxious they should not talk to YM, and is a very relevant point especially as YM seems to have recognised him and felt that the Police should check the child abuse register. Maybe therefore it may not be altogether surprising that DP wanted to get YM out of the way asap. imo This may in fact lead credence to the real concerns about DP. (and others in the group).

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Post by Guest on 16.06.11 17:25

I'm still puzzled and intriguied as why Yvonne Martin would keep popping up??

from Kates book......

This woman would pop up several times in the days and months to come and I still don’t really know who she is or what she was trying to achieve
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Also as KM says in her book she was presented with YM's credentials, and if Kate has read the files, (and according to her she has worked incredibly hard on them) all her credentials are in there including all the various places in the UK she has worked. So how can she possibly say she didn't really know who she was??


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Post by lj on 16.06.11 19:21

candyfloss wrote:I'm still puzzled and intriguied as why Yvonne Martin would keep popping up??

from Kates book......

This woman would pop up several times in the days and months to come and I still don’t really know who she is or what she was trying to achieve
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Also as KM says in her book she was presented with YM's credentials, and if Kate has read the files, (and according to her she has worked incredibly hard on them) all her credentials are in there including all the various places in the UK she has worked. So how can she possibly say she didn't really know who she was??


That is the same unwarrented certainty that she has when she says that she never doubt any of the tapas. Some you cannot even call friends since they barely met before, but they are sure they have nothing to do with the disappearance. There is only one scenarion in which that is possible.

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Post by Gillyspot on 16.06.11 20:01

Kate is clearly mentally unstable (was then and still is now if reading her book is any indication). YM is certainly exactly who she says she is and made an effort off her own bat to help the Mccanns find Madeleine but Kate is unpleasant and rude. David Payne certainly seems an interesting character and I didnt know he was wearing the clothes in the artists sketch. Is this why they didn't want Jane Tanner to give a statement? Certainly gives me even more doubts (as if that is possible) into the truth of their "sworn" statements.

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