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Re: Remarkable children

Post by scrants on 22.08.11 11:28

What I immediately found odd in the statements of both Gerry Mccann and David Payne was how they carefully inserted the comments - in Gerry's case - about how, when he was checking on the children, he though how beautiful they were and how lucky he was; and in David Payne's case - how happy and beautiful they all looked when he says he went to call on Kate on 3rd May. Both statements seem to jar somehow in a formal statement.



What does anyone else think?

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Re: Remarkable children

Post by Gillyspot on 22.08.11 11:51

Having thought about it I probably agree.

Both David Payne and Gerry McCann go to great pains to describe the children as angelic etc in the same way as Jane Tanner repeatedly states pink pyjamas almost in a effort to make you believe their statements.

Remember also that Kate states that Gerry is not a touchy feely new man so I am amazed he used these words to the police in an official statement particularly as what feelings he had were not relevant to the case.

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Perfection

Post by Tony Bennett on 22.08.11 12:59

@PeterMac wrote:p. 26 [of Dr Kate McCann's book] “Our daughter was perfect”
This comment was mirrored by the following comments made by Dr Kate McCann in interviews she gave to the Sunday Mirror and the Independent on Sunday on 5 August 2007, when she said:

"There came a point when we admitted we needed help. I was so desperate to have a child I'd try anything. I know IVF isn't everyone's choice but I wanted to try it. We had one unsuccessful attempt before Madeleine and that was very hard. When I got pregnant with Madeleine it was just fantastic. It didn't seem true. I did a test at home so I could handle the result if it wasn't good. I was looking at it thinking, 'I don't believe that'. Then I went to the hospital and they checked it. I was really excited. Smiling at the happy memory of her birth, she went on: 'There she was - perfect. She was lovely. She had the most beautiful face'."

It was noted that she said nothing else in this article about her pregnancy - and indeed photographs of her pregnant have never been shown by the McCanns. This has led some to speculate as to whether she really ever was pregnant with Madeleine.

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Re: Remarkable children

Post by PeterMac on 22.08.11 13:02

In a formal police statement it is irrelevent, and would not normally be included, unless it were ther reported speech of another person . (e.g I heard Gerry say "XYZ")
The insistence on the PINK pyjamas is most strange, since the bits Tanner said she could see - the legs - were clearly WHITE.
even Kate tries to hush this up in the book
p. 171 "it had been incorrectly stated in some press reports that her pyjamas were white."
But the photo of the items in question - or one supposes an identical pair which just happened to be lying around - was shown by the couple and the leggings are clearly WHITE.
And both said so in their original PJ statements
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id231.html

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Re: Remarkable children

Post by Gillyspot on 22.08.11 13:12

[quote="PeterMac" "it had been incorrectly stated in some press reports that her pyjamas were white."[/color][/i]
But the photo of the items in question - or one supposes an identical pair which just happened to be lying around - was shown by the couple and the leggings are clearly WHITE.
And both said so in their original PJ statements
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id231.html
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From an article by the BBC.

"In the Crimewatch appeal, Mrs McCann, 38, held up a light-pink pyjama top with capped sleeves and a picture on it of the cartoon character Eeyore, who is curled up with the words "Sleepy Eeyore" written underneath.

She also produced white cotton pyjama bottoms, covered with small flowers and carrying another Eeyore motif on the right leg.

The pyjamas are identical to those Madeleine was wearing and belong to her two-year-old sister Amelie."

Also a couple of interesting comments from the McCanns from this article

Kate McCann: "She said she hoped Madeleine was taken by someone "sad" who will not harm her." "There are a few bad people in the world but also there are a few sad people and I guess I'm hoping that it's someone sad who just wanted our daughter." ??

Gerry McCann "The four-year-old's father Gerry said he believed a sighting of a man on the night of 3 May carries "some weight". -



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Errm, water?

Post by tigger on 22.08.11 14:02

@PeterMac wrote:p. 26 “Our daughter was perfect”

p. 47 “Madeleine immediately wanted me to go swimming with her, I was not exactly keen... The water was absolutely freezing, but Madeleine went straight in there, even if her voice disappeared for a second or two with the shock of it. So Coime on Mummy !” she called when she’d got her breath back I tentatively inched my way in....”

p.116 “...the fact that Madeleine is such a beautiful girl.”

p. 148 ...”he was incredibly touched to see a message from one of Madeleine’s best friends from Nursery who had recently moved to Yorkshire“.

These children are 3 years old ! Literate, and already good and hardy swimmers.

Well,you can't have it both ways. Allegedly Maddie was petrified and crying at the seaside when they were going on the boat on the 3rd of May. Not that I believe that she was there at all at that time.

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Come on Mummy!

Post by tigger on 22.08.11 14:15

@PeterMac wrote:More worrying, if we believe it, is letting a 3 year old jump into a pool so cold that her breathing stops, without the parent having checked the temperature first.
I hope we can say we don't believe this bit, nor that their hypothermia took 3 hours to resolve.
p. 47 "Even if it did take us both the best part of three hours to warm up afterwards."

For a 3 year old child this is very worrying. Their metabolism is not as far advanced as that of an adult. An infant still cold after 3 hours probably needs medical attention.

The above quote doesn't ring true either. A child jumping into a freezing cold pool, will scream and splutter and perhaps laugh. 'Come on...' is a bit matey.

No conversation with her children rings true at all. Typically they seem to be there to show us Madeleine's attention for her mother, not the other way round. Even the crying incident, the remark from Madeleine 'in passing'.
Quick parenting lesson: children do NOT say things in passing, they tend to communicate in a direct manner. But we're all agog: what was your answer?
Just as children have little concept of past and future. So 'I've had the best day ever', can be thrown out with the rubbish as well IMO.
If she did have a particularly good day, her main idea would be to have another one the following day. Even the day after tomorrow is hard to explain to children.
And another thing: when they just learned a new little dance, they don't make an appointment with you to show you the next day. They tend to say:"look what I can do!' - Not: 'I will show you my new dance routine tomorrow'.
All this is purely academic anyway. It never happened.

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