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Post  Doubtful on Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:16 pm

I just saw this on twitter and didn't know David Payne made gestures about his own child. Is this true?


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Re: David Payne

Post  LittleMissMolly on Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:37 pm


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Re: David Payne

Post  lj on Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:05 am

The strangest thing from that story is that you let another man bathe your daughter.

Call me old fashioned, after all I am a child of the sixties and that was a long time ago, I would never do that.

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Communal bath time?

Post  Marian on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:26 am

Yes LJ I agree with you about that - I will admit though that I hardly knew anyone when my son was small so I would have been hard pressed to find someone (male or female) to bathe him. What do other posters think? Would you allow a family friend to do this?

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Re: David Payne

Post  LittleMissMolly on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:32 am

Marian wrote:Yes LJ I agree with you about that - I will admit though that I hardly knew anyone when my son was small so I would have been hard pressed to find someone (male or female) to bathe him. What do other posters think? Would you allow a family friend to do this?


Not in a million years ... not even my children's step-dad ever bathed them, let alone any other male and only very close female relatives (ie their grandmother and Aunt).

Even if there is no perceived risk, It's just too open to mis-interpretation at best i don\'t know

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Bath tub blues

Post  Marian on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:40 am

Thanks for that LMM. This has brought to mind the story of the female newsreader (I won't name her for the moment) who was investigated by the police some years ago when she took photos of her partner (not the child's father) bathing her young daughter. She was very indignant to be put under suspicion. No doubt there was nothing untoward but I do feel that she was being a little naive for not being able to understand other people's concerns.


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Re: David Payne

Post  ufercoffy on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:52 am

Years ago my husband and I fostered a little 3 year old girl whose mum was my best friend. The mum had to go into hospital for many months as she had severe clinical depression. I then had to go into hospital myself for an emergency operation and my husband had to look after (and bathe) the little girl in my absence. What was the alternative?


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David Payne

Post  Marian on Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:09 am

I take your point Ufercoffy but I think that we're talking more about scenarios where there are people available other than unrelated males who can be called upon to bathe children.

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Re: David Payne

Post  Zelina on Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:19 am

The statement always struck me as weird for a number of reasons:

1 - The Gaspars never discussed Paynes's gestures during their holiday. I find that unbelievable. Surely if you were in the same situation, you would discuss it with your partner as soon as the two of you were alone together?

2 - if you were on holiday with other couples and someone had said this in front of you about a child, you wouldn't just be careful when they're bathing your children. You would be so uncomfortable around them that you would leave.

3 - Mrs Gaspar was sitting between Payne and McCann. Any father hearing another man referring to his daughter like this would have a violent reaction, verbal or even physical. The fact that he didn't has some serious implications for both men, and also for some of the other adults (assuming they heard it).
However if several people in the group were paedophiles, would they be so careless as to behave like this in front of witnesses? Especially considering that the Gaspars and Paynes had only known each other for a few days.

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Strange statements

Post  Marian on Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:24 am

Zelina: you've taken the words out of my mouth. I have raised some of these issues before myself.

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