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Amaral - hero or villain?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 06.01.10 20:42

PearlB wrote:You can bet your bottom dollar that if there was anything lurking in their past - it would have been dug out long ago.
You seem to be forgetting something.

Namely that the McCanns' paid public relations chief for the past two-and-a-half years or more has been Clarence Mitchell, the man who once boasted that his job at the 40-strong Media Monitoring Unit was 'to control what comes out in the media'.

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Post by Guest on 06.01.10 21:11

@Tony Bennett wrote:
PearlB wrote:You can bet your bottom dollar that if there was anything lurking in their past - it would have been dug out long ago.
You seem to be forgetting something.

Namely that the McCanns' paid public relations chief for the past two-and-a-half years or more has been Clarence Mitchell, the man who once boasted that his job at the 40-strong Media Monitoring Unit was 'to control what comes out in the media'.
Oh come on Tony. You know as well as the rest of us that money talks - If there had been ANYTHING even slightly dubious someone would have "opened up".

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Post by Guest on 06.01.10 21:13

@Tony Bennett wrote:
PearlB wrote:You can bet your bottom dollar that if there was anything lurking in their past - it would have been dug out long ago.
You seem to be forgetting something.

Namely that the McCanns' paid public relations chief for the past two-and-a-half years or more has been Clarence Mitchell, the man who once boasted that his job at the 40-strong Media Monitoring Unit was 'to control what comes out in the media'.

Nonsense, and you know it.
They didn't have a paid public relations chief when Madeleine went missing.
Journo's spoke to all kind of people who knew them. I'm sure (certainly when they were made arguido's) someone would have come forward if there was anything lurking in their past. Like Pearl's said : money talks.
When Mitchell started working for them, he couldn't control what was published in the papers. Else they wouldn't have won that libel case, because libelous articles wouldn't have been printed.

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Post by Baharat on 07.01.10 5:23

@Avery wrote:Mr. Amarals finances are none of my business. Whenever anyone is trying to dig up dirt and discredit others I look carefully at the dirt digger not the victim. It seems to be part of PR strategy these days. Toss as much mud and try to shut up those who would question your client.

Charlie Sheen threatens his wife with a knife to her throat because she wanted a divorce. Suddenly the papers are full of reports of her past legal troubles and visits to rehab. Charlies PR team working overtime to make him look like the victim. Disgusting business.

I can assure you Amarals finances had absolutely nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance. One must keep one's eye on the ball and not be distracted by the sideshows.

Excellent post. It's amazing what expensive PR can do.

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Post by Baharat on 07.01.10 5:26

@Avery wrote:We all have faults which have nothing to do with the case. I don't pay any attention to smear campaigns because I realize the facts have been distorted and misrepresented.

OJ Simpson was acquitted of a brutal murder of two people not because he was innocent but because a jury got distracted by mud in their eyes. Attack the character of the police officers and prove they are not perfect and voila your client is free to kill again. Lovely system that.

The allegation that the McCanns left their children unattended has a direct bearing on her disappearance so it is relevant to the case. Amaral's finances have nothing to do with anything. He would have gladly stayed on the case and solved it for free if he had been allowed.

Why do I have to acknowledge Amarals faults? I don't even know the man and his faults are none of my business.

And another excellent post. It's a pity more people don't accept the fact that they don't actually know the people they insist on denigrating.

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Post by Baharat on 07.01.10 5:27

@Chinagirl wrote:You don't know the McCanns either; therefore according to your philosophy, their faults are none of your business, yet that has not precluded you and others from finding fault and nit-picking every word or gesture they have made over the past 2 1/2 years.

And you do know them? Otherwise, why would you be defending them? By the same token, I assume you also know Amaral?

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Post by Avery on 07.01.10 5:53

@Chinagirl wrote:You don't know the McCanns either; therefore according to your philosophy, their faults are none of your business, yet that has not precluded you and others from finding fault and nit-picking every word or gesture they have made over the past 2 1/2 years.

So please tell me when I have ever made any personal comment about the McCanns. I only discuss what I have direct knowledge of. One can see them on a video tape so I would suggest it is fair game to discuss what they said and their gestures and voice inflections. The same its true for anyone in the case. What is directly written and acknowleged as well as videos can be discussed. I personally do not believe much of what the newspapers say and about 80 percent of the internet forum discussion is probably rubbish.

If everyone would stick to the known facts and stop the urge to heap insults on the people involved in the case (Portuguese and English) we would have a much better chance of finding out what happened to Madeleine.

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Post by Baharat on 07.01.10 6:02

Oh how much simpler this would all be Avery, if people actually DİD stick to all the known facts.

Maybe then the insults would stop, do you think? Or perhaps I'm a little too optimistic.

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Post by aiyoyo on 07.01.10 7:34

Oh dear, this is yet another thread that has turned into a smear campaign, this time of Amaral, and all done by the usual suspects.

Can the pros mccanns (or abduction) be objective? No? Why Not?

What motivates them? Madeleine? Can't be -- because smearing Amaral has nothing to do with Madeleine. Since their objective is not Madeleine, people are left wondering what it could be!

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Post by Ruby on 07.01.10 9:37

It is frustrating aiyoyo, but given that DCB1 started it and the number of pros here, I kind of guessed where it was headed. That £180 p h PR campaign has told of GA's debts and possible infidelities, neither of which (a) matter a jot or (b) have caused even a ripple, so it has become imperative that vague, generalised slurs against him are meted out in the hope that something will shock someone somewhere.

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Post by Guest on 07.01.10 10:13

"And another excellent post. It's a pity more people don't accept the fact that they don't actually know the people they insist on denigrating.[/quote]"


How true that is.

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Post by Guest on 07.01.10 10:14

ANYONE KNOW HOW AMARAL'S FUND IS DOING,or not doing?

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Post by Baharat on 07.01.10 10:32

@aiyoyo wrote:Oh dear, this is yet another thread that has turned into a smear campaign, this time of Amaral, and all done by the usual suspects.

Can the pros mccanns (or abduction) be objective? No? Why Not?

What motivates them? Madeleine? Can't be -- because smearing Amaral has nothing to do with Madeleine. Since their objective is not Madeleine, people are left wondering what it could be!

And that's really the million dollar question isn't it? Wink

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Post by Guest on 07.01.10 10:38

@Baharat wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:Oh dear, this is yet another thread that has turned into a smear campaign, this time of Amaral, and all done by the usual suspects.

Can the pros mccanns (or abduction) be objective? No? Why Not?

What motivates them? Madeleine? Can't be -- because smearing Amaral has nothing to do with Madeleine. Since their objective is not Madeleine, people are left wondering what it could be!

And that's really the million dollar question isn't it? Wink
How can posting about Amaral's past demeanours be smearing him? Is it ok to drag the McCann family through non existant mud but we musn't mention Amarals lack of - Honesty,past behaviour etc?

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Post by Perelli on 07.01.10 10:40

This is from JATYK - can this really be Paolo Reis or is it someone else pretending to be him?

http://twitter.com/pjreis

#McCann Case: Stories will pop up (some already have) in blogs, with details about miscarriages of justice, following GA investigations
1:32 AM Jan 5th from TweetDeck Several former PJ inspectors cooperating with #McCann Team since October 2007 are the source of raw data about cases GA investigated

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Post by Guest on 07.01.10 10:49

@Perelli wrote:This is from JATYK - can this really be Paolo Reis or is it someone else pretending to be him?

http://twitter.com/pjreis

#McCann Case: Stories will pop up (some already have) in blogs, with details about miscarriages of justice, following GA investigations
1:32 AM Jan 5th from TweetDeck Several former PJ inspectors cooperating with #McCann Team since October 2007 are the source of raw data about cases GA investigated
wow Which side is he on now? Its hard to tell with him!

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Post by Baharat on 07.01.10 10:51

PearlB wrote:
@Perelli wrote:This is from JATYK - can this really be Paolo Reis or is it someone else pretending to be him?

http://twitter.com/pjreis

#McCann Case: Stories will pop up (some already have) in blogs, with details about miscarriages of justice, following GA investigations
1:32 AM Jan 5th from TweetDeck Several former PJ inspectors cooperating with #McCann Team since October 2007 are the source of raw data about cases GA investigated
wow Which side is he on now? Its hard to tell with him!

He's changed sides more times than I've had hot dinners. I started taking what he says with a pinch of salt a long time ago.

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Post by Guest on 07.01.10 10:58

@Baharat wrote:
PearlB wrote:
@Perelli wrote:This is from JATYK - can this really be Paolo Reis or is it someone else pretending to be him?

http://twitter.com/pjreis

#McCann Case: Stories will pop up (some already have) in blogs, with details about miscarriages of justice, following GA investigations
1:32 AM Jan 5th from TweetDeck Several former PJ inspectors cooperating with #McCann Team since October 2007 are the source of raw data about cases GA investigated
wow Which side is he on now? Its hard to tell with him!

He's changed sides more times than I've had hot dinners. I started taking what he says with a pinch of salt a long time ago.
Me too.

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Post by Slartibartfast on 07.01.10 11:15

@aiyoyo wrote:Oh dear, this is yet another thread that has turned into a smear campaign, this time of Amaral, and all done by the usual suspects.

Can the pros mccanns (or abduction) be objective? No? Why Not?

What motivates them? Madeleine? Can't be -- because smearing Amaral has nothing to do with Madeleine. Since their objective is not Madeleine, people are left wondering what it could be!


Was it the "pros" that sacked him of the case?
Was it the "pros" that charged and convicted him of lying in court about the torture of a witness?
Was it the "pros" that have charged him with a further offense of torture?

No, it was the Portuguese authorities in ALL the above cases.
What is the motivation of people who refuse to accept these facts?
Why do people stand behind an obviously (and officially) corrupt policeman?
Since his objective is not Madeleine, people are left wondering what it could be!

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Post by Guest on 07.01.10 11:17

I have no idea.

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Post by Perelli on 07.01.10 11:23

PearlB wrote:
@Perelli wrote:This is from JATYK - can this really be Paolo Reis or is it someone else pretending to be him?

http://twitter.com/pjreis

#McCann Case: Stories will pop up (some already have) in blogs, with details about miscarriages of justice, following GA investigations
1:32 AM Jan 5th from TweetDeck Several former PJ inspectors cooperating with #McCann Team since October 2007 are the source of raw data about cases GA investigated
wow Which side is he on now? Its hard to tell with him!

Well, who cares anyway, but fact is that some of these previous cases have been popping up, I have at least seen one (about a Spanish person named Hugo, if my memory is correct), mere coincidence or not...

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Post by Guest on 07.01.10 11:27

@Perelli wrote:
PearlB wrote:
@Perelli wrote:This is from JATYK - can this really be Paolo Reis or is it someone else pretending to be him?

http://twitter.com/pjreis

#McCann Case: Stories will pop up (some already have) in blogs, with details about miscarriages of justice, following GA investigations
1:32 AM Jan 5th from TweetDeck Several former PJ inspectors cooperating with #McCann Team since October 2007 are the source of raw data about cases GA investigated
wow Which side is he on now? Its hard to tell with him!

Well, who cares anyway, but fact is that some of these previous cases have been popping up, I have at least seen one (about a Spanish person named Hugo, if my memory is correct), mere coincidence or not...
Ah yes, I posted that on here somewhere it was from Justice4Madeleine.

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Post by aiyoyo on 07.01.10 12:29

@rockyrobin wrote:The fact is the McCann are innocent law abiding people. Amaral is a CONVICTED LIAR is on a suspended sentence and is disgraced.

How many trial has Amaral hanging over him now?

Yeah, law abiding people who left 3 young children below 4-year of age home alone in the dark in a foreign country while they went out and get pissed?

Law abiding people who need official mouthpiece, libel lawyer, extradiction lawyer, and image consultants to defend their reputation?

Law abiding people who fleece the public's (pensioners and children) money to pay Lift Consultant 180 Sterling Pound/hour to lift their image - and this has got something to do with searching for their missing daughter? Spending the money physically searching the 10 miles radius of PDL for Maddie will fit better the aim of the fund - non?

What are they afraid of? Their shadows?

Who else is not impressed?

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Post by Guest on 07.01.10 12:37

Good job they had a libel lawyer otherwise Amaral, Bennett, Stevo and others could continue making such lurid and stupid suggestions.
An extradition Lawyer that also specialises in other work as well, but oh well you look over that bit.
The official mouthpiece as you call it was first appointed by the Government to help them overcome the language barrier, in fact this is given to several people who go missing. Mitchell decided to take a PAY CUT to help the McCanns.

As for looking for Madeleine, was that not part of the Portugese Polices job to do that? No Amaral decided straight off the McCanns did it and could not be arsed to get off his fat one and look.

Oh and where is the evidence they got pissed?

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Post by Guest on 07.01.10 13:19

"who fleece the public's (pensioners and children) money "

Reminds me - no one seems to have the answer to - How much has the save Amaral fund raised- odd that.

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