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Re: PM reopens Maddie files

Post by lj on 13.05.11 16:29

Transparent, so trans parent how that word keeps popping up to cover the real murky waters.

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Re: PM reopens Maddie files

Post by beejay on 13.05.11 17:41

To answer my own question from earlier - why would the McCanns try to re-open the case if they are in fact guilty - the only logical reason I can think of is money.

If by their own admission the fund is running low prompting Kate to write a book then a massive front page splash in the Sun can only help sales of the book and an investigation should keep the money coming in for a while longer as the case stays in the public domain.

Still sounds risky but maybe they think that by now they are bullet proof or they have had assurances from on high that the review of the case will not result in another "embarrassing" investigation of them personally. They seem to have everything under control, even to the extent of setting the agenda for the investigation.

Or maybe they are innocent, I dunno.

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Post by Capricorn on 13.05.11 18:29

@beejay wrote:To answer my own question from earlier - why would the McCanns try to re-open the case if they are in fact guilty - the only logical reason I can think of is money.

If by their own admission the fund is running low prompting Kate to write a book then a massive front page splash in the Sun can only help sales of the book and an investigation should keep the money coming in for a while longer as the case stays in the public domain.

Still sounds risky but maybe they think that by now they are bullet proof or they have had assurances from on high that the review of the case will not result in another "embarrassing" investigation of them personally. They seem to have everything under control, even to the extent of setting the agenda for the investigation.

Or maybe they are innocent, I dunno.

Stella wrote:There was "no political will to solve this case".

I think that if the parents were innocent they would not have let the case be shelved over their dead bodies. They let it be shelved so that their aguido status would be lifted so they could make money from their dead daughter. I don't think people would have thrown money at them if they were still arguido's.

As Stella says there was no political will to solve the case and this decison by the goverment to involve the Met police will be the cover up and closure the McCanns want. This whole case has been very disturbing in that right in front of our eyes we have seen criminals get away with a heinous crime and get patted on the back and become rich. Madeleine's memory has been picked apart like a vulture by her own parents, her own vulgar 'mommy dearest' in particular.


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Post by lj on 13.05.11 18:50

Vulgar, that's the word I have been trying to find for them for ages now.
Oh if English were just my first language.

But that's the right word for them.

ETA: thank you capricorn.

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Post by Guest on 13.05.11 19:18

Jenny Jones of the Metropolitan Police Authority isn't happy with the Commissioner's decision - she was just on Sky News saying they will be asking him questions when they meet next week. "I suppose you can't say no to the person who signs you pay cheque, but to say you weren't instructed to open the inquiry is ridiculous", she said (or words to that effect) She thinks it's a waste of resources and/or preferential treatment for the McCanns.

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Post by Guest on 13.05.11 19:23

tcat wrote:Jenny Jones of the Metropolitan Police Authority isn't happy with the Commissioner's decision - she was just on Sky News saying they will be asking him questions when they meet next week. "I suppose you can't say no to the person who signs you pay cheque, but to say you weren't instructed to open the inquiry is ridiculous", she said (or words to that effect) She thinks it's a waste of resources and/or preferential treatment for the McCanns.


Well, I'm all for getting this case solved, but it is rather setting a dangerous precedent. How can they now refuse any other person with a missing child, or any adult's family, come to that, the same sort of help. Mr Cameron seems to have boxed himself into a corner now, no going back.

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Post by Guest on 13.05.11 19:41

candyfloss wrote:Well, I'm all for getting this case solved, but it is rather setting a dangerous precedent. How can they now refuse any other person with a missing child, or any adult's family, come to that, the same sort of help. Mr Cameron seems to have boxed himself into a corner now, no going back.
Sophie Ridge of Sky News says a political row is brewing! It's crying out for a politician with integrity (if any still exist) to speak out and say enough is enough isn't it. Let's hope

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Post by moroneylm03 on 13.05.11 19:57

lets just hope this does the trick.. the case is investigated fully, and a once and for all conclusion agreed on - based on all the evidence together, not just the bits that Team McCann and the media want us to believe.... and hopefully Madeleine will be found alive and well.

For those (including the McCanns) that are daft enough to think she should go back to live with them....although that would possibly be great for all 3 kids... its surely not a wise decision for the courts to make... given this little piece on child abuse/neglect...

What is child abuse?


All parents upset their children sometimes. Saying `no' and managing difficult behaviour is an essential part of parenting. Tired or stressed parents can lose control and can do or say something they regret, and may even hurt the child. If this happens often enough, it can seriously harm the child. That is why abuse is defined in law. The Children Act 1989 states that abuse should be considered to have happened when someone's actions have caused a child to suffer significant harm to their health or development.

Significant harm means that someone is:

  • punishing a child too much

  • hitting or shaking a child

    constantly criticising, threatening or rejecting a child

    sexually interfering with or assaulting a child

    not looking after a child - not giving them enough to eat, ignoring them, not playing or talking with them or not making sure that they are safe.



    taken from The Royal College Of Pyschiatrists website - http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinfo/mentalhealthandgrowingup/childabuseandneglect.aspx

    that last point seems to trigger a few pointers... palming their kids off everyday on holiday to a kids club (rather than playing with the kids themselves)... ignoring them (didnt bother to find out what Madeleine was talking about when she asked why no one had come to her and Sean crying the night before)... and not making sure they were safe.... well we all know the outcome of that....

    surely if the Childrens Act 1989 states that it is law that the above 'significant harm' pointers are all under the term of abuse, then whether Madeleine is found or not, alive or dead, her parents (those at the time responsible for her welfare), should be charged with child abuse?

    probably not the best topic to put this under.. but not sure where else to post it!

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    Re: PM reopens Maddie files

    Post by Guest on 13.05.11 20:00

    Is any of thisw going to happen though, it seems the PJ don't know about it!! Just started a thread on it

    candyfloss wrote:Just seen this on MM, who in turn saw it on MCF,

    FRIDAY, 13/05/2011, YEAR 12, No. 4122

    abola.pt

    Maddie Case: PJ denies involvement in research UK

    The Judicial Police on Friday denied the existence of a collaboration with the British police in the research work of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the British girl who was last seen in Praia da Luz, Algarve. The information is advanced by the Renaissance.

    Recall that, on Thursday evening, the international media gave account of the British Government's decision to order further efforts in the investigation of the case Maddie. However, it was not advanced any information about an involvement of the Portuguese authorities in this case, only being revealed the involvement of Scotland Yard.

    17:53 - 13/05/2011

    http://www.abola.pt/mundos/ver.aspx?id=263036


    I have hunted high and low for something about this in the Portuguese press, and they usually print everything to do with this case and nothing. Perhaps this is why. What's going on?

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    Post by ufercoffy on 13.05.11 20:00

    @moroneylm03 wrote:probably not the best topic to put this under.. but not sure where else to post it!

    The forum owner wont mind you starting a new thread as it's a new topic thumbsup

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    Re: PM reopens Maddie files

    Post by C.Edwards on 13.05.11 21:23

    Hello all. I have been a long time lurker and recently registered. Have been active on Amazon discussion mainly.

    Why are the McCanns badgering for a review? Simple. They're narcissists. They love the limelight (and say they don't, how modest). They love the attention, the money, the reflected importance and pseudo-fame (notoriety?) and they simply don't think they'll get caught. Sociopathic behaviour.

    Why, indeed, do so many criminals return to the scene of the crime? It's a known trait...

    By the way, I suspect Stella knows, but you do realise who "ringo" is, don't you? I won't say it yet unless it's not allowed on here, but happy to name him and wonder why he's trying an assumed identity... ;-)

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    Re: PM reopens Maddie files

    Post by niknaks08 on 13.05.11 21:33

    c edwards , totally agree with u ,couldnt of put it better myself

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    Post by niknaks08 on 13.05.11 21:38

    Profile of the Sociopath


    This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

    • Glibness and Superficial Charm
    • Manipulative and Conning
      They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
    • Grandiose Sense of Self
      Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
    • Pathological Lying
      Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
    • Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
      A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
    • Shallow Emotions
      When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
    • Incapacity for Love
    • Need for Stimulation
      Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
    • Callousness/Lack of Empathy
      Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
    • Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
      Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
    • Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
      Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
    • Irresponsibility/Unreliability
      Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
    • Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
      Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.
    • Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
      Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
    • Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
      Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.




    Other Related Qualities:

    1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
    2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
    3. Authoritarian
    4. Secretive
    5. Paranoid
    6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
    7. Conventional appearance
    8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
    9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
    10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
    11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
    12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
    13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
    14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
    15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
    mmmm very much so id say !!

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    Re: PM reopens Maddie files

    Post by ufercoffy on 13.05.11 21:40

    What are the chances of two sociopathic doctors marrying?

    About the same as two expert sniffer dogs both being wrong in exactly the same places I suppose. i don\'t know

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    Re: PM reopens Maddie files

    Post by moroneylm03 on 13.05.11 21:42

    @ufercoffy wrote:
    @moroneylm03 wrote:probably not the best topic to put this under.. but not sure where else to post it!

    The forum owner wont mind you starting a new thread as it's a new topic

    okey cokey.. will have a go now! thanks

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    Re: PM reopens Maddie files

    Post by Guest on 13.05.11 21:47

    @C.Edwards wrote:Hello all. I have been a long time lurker and recently registered. Have been active on Amazon discussion mainly.

    Why are the McCanns badgering for a review? Simple. They're narcissists. They love the limelight (and say they don't, how modest). They love the attention, the money, the reflected importance and pseudo-fame (notoriety?) and they simply don't think they'll get caught. Sociopathic behaviour.

    Why, indeed, do so many criminals return to the scene of the crime? It's a known trait...

    By the way, I suspect Stella knows, but you do realise who "ringo" is, don't you? I won't say it yet unless it's not allowed on here, but happy to name him and wonder why he's trying an assumed identity... ;-)


    Hi C Edwards and welcome welcome

    No, please don't reveal identities of people on the forum, but you can always PM admin.

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    Post by C.Edwards on 13.05.11 21:52

    candyfloss wrote:


    Hi C Edwards and welcome

    No, please don't reveal identities of people on the forum, but you can always PM admin.

    Thanks candyfloss. I've responded to a few PMs about it, but I won't name the person concerned in the thread then. I'm 90% sure I know who it is... very distinctive posting style... ;-)

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    Post by niknaks08 on 13.05.11 22:30

    i dont think km is a sociopath , but i certainly think gm displays sociopathic behaviour reguarly

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    Post by ufercoffy on 13.05.11 22:31

    @niknaks08 wrote:i dont think km is a sociopath , but i certainly think gm displays sociopathic behaviour reguarly

    Kate McCann is a filthy cow talking about her daughter's genitals in a book that she wants her daughter and paedophile abductor to read.

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    Re: PM reopens Maddie files

    Post by niknaks08 on 13.05.11 22:41

    @ufercoffy wrote:
    @niknaks08 wrote:i dont think km is a sociopath , but i certainly think gm displays sociopathic behaviour reguarly

    Kate McCann is a filthy cow talking about her daughter's genitals in a book that she wants her daughter and paedophile abductor to read.

    totally agree with you , not quiet sure which planet shes on

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    Post by RBxHN on 13.05.11 22:53

    @ufercoffy wrote:
    @niknaks08 wrote:i dont think km is a sociopath , but i certainly think gm displays sociopathic behaviour reguarly

    Kate McCann is a filthy cow talking about her daughter's genitals in a book that she wants her daughter and paedophile abductor to read.

    Sheesh you've got a weird way of looking at things. It is absolutely no wonder you have trouble understanding anything about this case without your prejudices kickin in.

    Get some fresh air chap.

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    Post by lj on 13.05.11 22:54

    @C.Edwards wrote:Hello all. I have been a long time lurker and recently registered. Have been active on Amazon discussion mainly.

    Why are the McCanns badgering for a review? Simple. They're narcissists. They love the limelight (and say they don't, how modest). They love the attention, the money, the reflected importance and pseudo-fame (notoriety?) and they simply don't think they'll get caught. Sociopathic behaviour.

    Why, indeed, do so many criminals return to the scene of the crime? It's a known trait...

    By the way, I suspect Stella knows, but you do realise who "ringo" is, don't you? I won't say it yet unless it's not allowed on here, but happy to name him and wonder why he's trying an assumed identity... ;-)

    Hi C. Edwards, I thought Ringo was a bit uh "transparent".

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    Post by lj on 13.05.11 22:56

    KM is the classic narcissistic sociopath, and this book makes it all more the clear.

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    Post by ufercoffy on 13.05.11 22:59

    @RBxHN wrote:
    @ufercoffy wrote:
    @niknaks08 wrote:i dont think km is a sociopath , but i certainly think gm displays sociopathic behaviour reguarly

    Kate McCann is a filthy cow talking about her daughter's genitals in a book that she wants her daughter and paedophile abductor to read.

    Sheesh you've got a weird way of looking at things. It is absolutely no wonder you have trouble understanding anything about this case without your prejudices kickin in.

    Get some fresh air chap.

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    And I'm not a chap.

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    Post by RBxHN on 13.05.11 23:08

    My sincere and honest apologies.............spelling mistake............I mean chav!

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