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Re: Morais blog in the Portuguese press

Post by vaguely on 02.01.10 16:57

What was the exact wording used by the British Police?

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Re: Morais blog in the Portuguese press

Post by marigold on 02.01.10 19:51

@vaguely wrote:What was the exact wording used by the British Police?

Why don't you ask Mark Harrison?

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Post by Slartibartfast on 02.01.10 19:55

@marigold wrote:
@vaguely wrote:What was the exact wording used by the British Police?

Why don't you ask Mark Harrison?

Is Mark Harrison a member?

Welcome aboard, Mark.

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Post by Slartibartfast on 02.01.10 20:00

@marigold wrote:
What The Papers Never Say wrote:
@MaryB wrote:What should he not have tried to do.

Because he committed libel and defamation and because he alone is responsible for a complete wrong and false impression of the McCanns to the Portuguese public.

Because free speech is not freedom to slander, defame and distort the truth.

Because he alone is responsible for harming the search for Madeleine.

I could go on but I think you understand my drift.

No!! THEY alone are responsible for harming the 'search' for Maddie. By not answering questions, by clearly lying and not returning for the reconstruction. When are they and their pathetic supporters going to take responsibility for the Mccanns role in this? Oh and by the way, British police arrived at the same conclusion: that Madeleine was dead.

It was his investigation that squandered resources and time on his pointless theories.
It is not up to the McCanns to solve this. It's up to Amaral. He was the police officer in charge.
Refusing to answer questions is sometimes known as the right to silence. Look it up.
Something that Amaral and his cohorts don't particularly like. So much so that they can end up beating the crap out of you if you are too quiet

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Post by vaguely on 02.01.10 21:00

@marigold wrote:
@vaguely wrote:What was the exact wording used by the British Police?

Why don't you ask Mark Harrison?

Sorry, you said the British police have reached the conclusion she is dead. I thought you had read something, or taken that from an article somewhere.

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Post by littlepixie on 02.01.10 23:40

The apartment in which the McCann's had stayed may present further
opportunities to search. The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim
Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially
indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead
body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated
by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in
the property but removed.


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The dog may also indicate if a body
has been stored in the recent past and then moved off the property,
though this is not evidential merely intelligence.

From Mark Harrisons report.

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Post by Guest on 02.01.10 23:53

@littlepixie wrote:


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The dog may also indicate if a body
has been stored in the recent past and then moved off the property,
though this is not evidential merely intelligence.

From Mark Harrisons report.

The bold underlined bit......It is intelligence not evidence....would any anti's care to explain that please

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Post by littlepixie on 02.01.10 23:56

Yes we all know it is not evidence without corroboration and that is the frustrating thing.

Interesting how Harrison doesnt mention that Eddie might smell blood or cadaver though.

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Post by Guest on 03.01.10 0:01

@littlepixie wrote:Yes we all know it is not evidence without corroboration and that is the frustrating thing.

Interesting how Harrison doesnt mention that Eddie might smell blood or cadaver though.

Maybe that is because Harrison isn't setting himself up as a dog expert like some people on forums think they are?

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Post by marigold on 03.01.10 1:31

Mark Harrison was the first police office to suggest that Madeleine Mccann was probably dead and it was he who advised that Eddie and Keela be brought in. Why don't they sue him?

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Post by Guest on 03.01.10 4:34

@marigold wrote:Mark Harrison was the first police office to suggest that Madeleine Mccann was probably dead and it was he who advised that Eddie and Keela be brought in. Why don't they sue him?

Why would they? He hasn't pushed an agenda, or gone about in public making claims about the dogs that were never substantiated.

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Post by littlepixie on 03.01.10 9:34

Raffle wrote:
@littlepixie wrote:Yes we all know it is not evidence without corroboration and that is the frustrating thing.

Interesting how Harrison doesnt mention that Eddie might smell blood or cadaver though.

Maybe that is because Harrison isn't setting himself up as a dog expert like some people on forums think they are?

It is my understanding that Mark Harrison IS a dog expert.

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Post by Perelli on 03.01.10 9:47

@littlepixie wrote:
Raffle wrote:
@littlepixie wrote:Yes we all know it is not evidence without corroboration and that is the frustrating thing.

Interesting how Harrison doesnt mention that Eddie might smell blood or cadaver though.

Maybe that is because Harrison isn't setting himself up as a dog expert like some people on forums think they are?

It is my understanding that Mark Harrison IS a dog expert.

Not according to himself he's not, he a general adviser of the UK NPIA - it's all in the files, did you not read them?

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Post by littlepixie on 03.01.10 10:05

Well according to his report and his recommendations he knows an awful lot about them.

Far more of an expert than you or I.

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Post by Guest on 03.01.10 10:49

Mark Harrison also said he was on the Soham case, but he never was involved in the case.

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Post by Guest on 03.01.10 16:10

@marigold wrote:Mark Harrison was the first police office to suggest that Madeleine Mccann was probably dead and it was he who advised that Eddie and Keela be brought in.

Did he? When, where? Is it in the files?

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Post by preciousramotswe on 03.01.10 17:26

My understanding was that Mark Harrison was specifically tasked by the PJ to come up with some suggestions as to where the body would be IF Madeleine were dead.
He suggested areas that should be searched based on patterns of offending and behaviour noted from paedophile child murders.

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Post by preciousramotswe on 03.01.10 17:31

CARTAS ROGATORIAS 3 Pages 19 to 20

MARK HARRISON 02-05-08

LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE SQUAD
WITNESS TESTIMONY OF MARK HARRISON
Occupation: Police Agent

This statement, consisting of two pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that, if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable to prosecution if I have willfully states in it anything I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

Date: 2 May 2008
Signature:

I am an official with the British Police at the service of the UK National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) and work there as a special advising investigator. I was asked to respond to four questions by the Policia Judiciaria in a document sent by them. The questions appear in this statement in italics.

On 20.07.2007 I was sent by NPIA to Portugal with the goal of helping the Leicestershire police and the Policia Judiciaria relative to the disappearance of a child, Madeleine McCann, missing since 03.05.07 from Praia da Luz, Algarve, Portugal.

The terms of assistance we agreed to provide were directed by the PJ Regional Director, Guilhermino ENCARNACO after consultation with DI Neil HOLDEN of the Leicestershire Police and myself, the details of which are on page two of the document I authored, titled ?Decision Support Document in the Search for Madeleine McCann? dated 23.07.2007 and presented as evidence MH4.

1. What criteria was used in the selection of local searches?
2. Considering the geographic location of Praia da Luz, where would a corpse be hidden?

In accordance to the referenced terms, the charge given to me by Guilhermino ENCARNACO was to comment on prior search activity by the PJ and the GNR in Praia da Luz and to offer a new scenario for the searches with the consideration of the hiding of a corpse and human remains. Assisted by Professor Oscar Ferreira and Alverinho Dias of the University of the Algarve, we conducted an assessment of the terrain of the immediate excavation areas relative to the viability of a superficial burial of human remains and also considering the possibility of a human cadaver having been thrown into the ocean in Praia da Luz. This assessment and the respective conclusions are detailed in the evidence MH4 and in ?Decision Support Document in the Search for Madeleine McCann?Praia da Luz & Marina? dated 23.07.2007, presented as evidence MH5.

The documents were submitted to the Leicestershire Police and the Policia Judiciaria and are detailed as to the areas of consideration in additional searches using GNR, and using canines and geophysical elements. My rational was based in the proximity of the location where Madeleine McCann went missing and the scenario of occultation of human remains. The prior search activities in these zones were concentrated in a scenario of a missing child, hurt or maintained captive.

After the submission of two documents, I attended two meetings in the Portimao Police headquarters on the 23/07.2007 with DI NEIL HOLDEN of theLeicestershire Police and the other on 30.07.2007 with DI ALAN ORCHARD of the Leicestershire Police. At both meetings, PJ agents were present and they were presided over by the Regional Director of the PJ Guilhermino ENCARNCAO who selected and established the priorities for the search areas.


3. How did the searches evolve?
Between the 31.07.2007 and 07.08.2007 the searches took place in Praia da Luz were under the command and supervision of the Chief Inspector Vitor MATOS of the PJ. He was personally present at the searches and at his request I accompanied him as an advisor. The searches evolved were multidisciplinary and involved the PJ, GNR, UK Police and the University of Aveiro. All the searches that occurred were documented in video by the PJ, including location, time and date stamps.

After the conclusion of the searches, a meeting in the Portimao offices of the PJ took place in the cabinet of Goncalo AMARAL and those present included Guilermino ENCARNACO, an official representative from theLeicestershire police, Martin GRIME and myself. During the meeting were exhibited videos with the details of search activities including the sniffer dogs lead by Martin GRIME. GRIME commented on the actions of the dogs and added that no confirmed evidence or information could be taken from the alerts by the dogs but needed to be confirmed with physical evidence.


4. In this particular case, based on the information and on your experience, what is the possibility that a cadaver was occulted?
To this question I am not in possession of any information or sufficient knowledge to comment.

On 10.08.2007 I concluded my posting and returned to the United Kingdom.

This statement was made by me and is truthful and in accordance with my knowledge.

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Post by DCB1 on 03.01.10 17:33

"GRIME commented on the actions of the dogs and added that no confirmed evidence or information could be taken from the alerts by the dogs but needed to be confirmed with physical evidence."

Grime actually said this in a meeting with GA.

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Re: Morais blog in the Portuguese press

Post by preciousramotswe on 03.01.10 17:48

He clearly wasn't listening, or perhaps something got lost in translation.

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Post by DCB1 on 03.01.10 17:50

badmanners wrote:He clearly wasn't listening, or perhaps something got lost in translation.

Of course the meeting was before the forensic results were known.

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Re: Morais blog in the Portuguese press

Post by Guest on 03.01.10 18:27

@DCB1 wrote:
badmanners wrote:He clearly wasn't listening, or perhaps something got lost in translation.

Of course the meeting was before the forensic results were known.

And when the forensic results were known, he ignored what the experts wrote. Or may be it was too difficult or inconvenient for him to understand?

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