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Post by maria on 24.04.11 17:09

hello everyone, i haven't been following this case from the start but have become interested in it in recent months...not sure why lol....but there is something that's bugging me....there has been a whole list of identikit pics of the adbuctor and one or two of them are women.....how can that be if jane tanner told the police that she saw a man carrying madeleine....where did the female abductors come from? is this something the media have made up? thank you.

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Post by Pycnique on 24.04.11 21:50

I know there was a Victoria Beckham lookalike but who was the other woman? And how can VB be confused with so many male abductors especially those with moustaches?

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Post by julie on 24.04.11 23:51

Good question xxx

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Post by rose58 on 25.04.11 16:50

I only remember one photokit of a woman, with long blond hair and hard features. This would be a part of a couple that was seen in the day or two after the disappearance, with a child early in the morning. I think they were dismissed as Ukranian.

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Post by hidebox on 25.04.11 16:56

There was the Victoria Beckham lookalike aswell.

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Post by rose58 on 25.04.11 17:13

The VB lookalike was as much a real suspect as The Easter Bunny or Mrs Cooper's forever changing scaryman.

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Post by lj on 26.04.11 16:39

The VB lookalike had placed the order for a blond girl.

IIRC the other was supposed the partner of the couple scurrying away.

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Post by newguest on 11.05.11 18:34

Parents Protect!

What is the biggest myth around child sexual abuse?


Very often the TV, radio and newspaper cover stories about children
who are abused, abducted and even murdered, usually by strangers but it
is important to know that these are not typical crimes. Sexual abusers
are more likely to be people we know, and could well be people we care
about; after all more than 8 out of 10 children who are sexually abused
know their abuser. They are family members or friends, neighbours or
babysitters – many hold responsible positions in society. Some will seek
out employment which brings them into contact with children, some will
hold positions of trust which can help to convince other adults that
they are beyond reproach, making it hard for adults to raise their
concerns.

Website supported by: 

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Post by Garth on 11.05.11 20:39

I just love the way we have a poster called 'newguest', as if it's their first ever post.......honest Malcolm! 
 
Come on peeps. were not all bleedin' retards!
 
Good try though..........not!  

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 11.05.11 21:08

@Garth wrote:I just love the way we have a poster called 'newguest', as if it's their first ever post.......honest Malcolm! 
 
Come on peeps. were not all bleedin' retards!
 
Good try though..........not!  

You can talk with all your usernames winkwink

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Post by pennylane on 11.05.11 21:12

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:
@Garth wrote:I just love the way we have a poster called 'newguest', as if it's their first ever post.......honest Malcolm!

Come on peeps. were not all bleedin' retards!

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Post by littlepixie on 11.05.11 23:37


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Post by newguest on 12.05.11 7:02

Your 'sarcasm' and false accusations regarding my previous post is most puzzling Garth. Parents Protect! is a Home Office supported child protection website yet your 'sarcasm' regarding my post on the issue seems to suggest that you are very uncomfortable with, perhaps against, certain aspects of child protection that do not meet with your own preconceived misconceptions of child abuse.

Parents Protect!


Welcome

…to Parents Protect, your information and resources website. Here, we aim to raise your awareness about child sexual abuse, answer any questions you may have and give you the information you need to help to protect children.


Our Aim…

is to help parents and carers better protect children from child sexual abuse. Our most important task is to prevent sexual abuse from taking place in the first place. We believe we can do this by:

    Helping to dispel some of the common myths around child sexual abuse
    Giving parents and carers practical information that will help them keep youngsters safe from harm.

We understand that child sexual abuse is something we’d rather not think and talk about – but we believe the best way of protecting children is for adults to do just that! By not being afraid to talk about the issues, we become much better able to understand the steps we can take to keep our children as safe as possible.

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Post by Wendy on 12.05.11 8:12

newguest wrote:Your 'sarcasm' and false accusations regarding my previous post is most puzzling Garth. Parents Protect! is a Home Office supported child protection website yet your 'sarcasm' regarding my post on the issue seems to suggest that you are very uncomfortable with, perhaps against, certain aspects of child protection that do not meet with your own preconceived misconceptions of child abuse.

Well said newguest

It does rather seem that this description fits a lot of McCann supporters.

It would seem that many McCann supporters and even some members of Team McCann are getting a little jittery. winkwink

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Post by newguest on 12.05.11 9:06

I don't see how any McCann supporter can argue given the fact that the following statement comes from someone Gerry McCann actually met in person regarding the disappearance of his daughter:-

Keeping Children Safe: Rhetoric and Reality by Ernest E. Allen


Combating Fear With Facts
America's families need not live in fear, but parents need to be fully
informed about the dangers their children face and the most effective
ways to educate them and guard them from harm. The key to child safety
is communication. Children should recognize that "strangers" often do
not look strange, and parents should recognize that most abductions and
assaults involve an offender and victim who know each other. The
exaggerated fears of "stranger danger" generated by lurid tabloid
headlines need to be replaced with solid facts garnered from serious
research.

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Post by newguest on 12.05.11 15:45

From the news conference:-

The last question was about the scoping exercise.

Did you get to see it? No

Which Home Secretary, Johnson or May? May

Why didn't she allow you to see it? It was 'sensitive'.

All cases of missing and exploited children are 'sensitive' for "operational reasons" because whether we accept it or not the perpetrator(s) of such crimes against children could be someone we know personally.



CHILD SEX OFFENDER BEHAVIORAL PROFILE
RELEASED TO AID LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATORS


Alexandria, VA – December 19, 2001 – In an effort to better address
child molestation through behavior analysis and prevention, the National
Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC) has released an updated
version of its nationally recognized book Child Molesters: A Behavioral
Analysis.  This groundbreaking edition provides a comprehensive look
at children who are sexually exploited by “acquaintance molesters” and
provides a resource for law-enforcement officers and prosecutors investigating
such cases.

Written by retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent Kenneth V. Lanning,
the book includes chapters on identifying preferential sex offenders, acquaintance-exploitation
cases, use of computers by sex offenders and methods for investigating
acquaintance sexual exploitation.
 
“In the United States, society’s historical attitude about sexual victimization
of children can generally be summed up in one word: denial,” stated Lanning. 
After nearly 30 years of service in the FBI, with most of those years specializing
in crimes against children, Lanning draws upon the thousands of cases he
has either worked or studied to provide law enforcement with a description
of the behavioral dynamics in child molestation cases.

NCMEC President and CEO Ernie Allen stated, “So often our schools, communities
and parents teach our children about “stranger danger.”  The fact
is child molesters can look like anyone else and even be someone we know
and like
.  This book will assist law enforcement in recognizing and
evaluating how and why child molesters have sex with children in order
to identify, arrest and convict them.”

NCMEC’s resources in the field of child sexual exploitation reporting
and prevention include law enforcement training, an online reporting mechanism
called the “CyberTipline,” legal technical assistance and research, along
with publications for both investigators and parents.   NCMEC’s
division dedicated to child sexual exploitation, the Exploited Child Unit
(ECU), works collaboratively with the U.S. Customs Service, U.S. Postal
Inspection Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and state and
local law enforcement.

To view the entire text of Child Molesters: A Behavioral Analysis, visit then click on the “Child
Sexual Exploitation” heading.  The book may also be ordered by calling
1-800-843-5678.  

About NCMEC 
Created in 1984 as a private, nonprofit organization, NCMEC serves
as the national clearinghouse for information on missing children and the
prevention and reporting of child sexual exploitation.  NCMEC is funded
under a cooperative agreement from the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency
Prevention, Office of Justice Programs, U.S. Department of Justice. 
NCMEC's state-of-the-art web site brings images and information about missing
children and child victimization, as well as a wealth of child protection
information, to a global audience.  For more information, please contact
NCMEC at 1-800-843-5678 or visit missingkids.com.

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Post by Garth on 12.05.11 19:18

Hello Tony lol, how's it going? Rolling Eyes 

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Post by Guest on 14.05.11 9:51

newguest wrote:From the news conference:-

The last question was about the scoping exercise.

Did you get to see it?

GM: "No"

Which Home Secretary, Johnson or May?

GM: "May"

Why didn't she allow you to see it?

GM "It was 'sensitive"



What's the betting that more people, other than the Gaspars, have since come forward concerning Gerry McCann and David Payne's dubious behaviour? It certainly makes you think.

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Post by NewGuest on 15.05.11 17:59

No - not the same newguest.. just a genuine new guest.

One of the many things which puzzles me about this case - just supposing that there was an abductor - why would he carry the child across the road and risk being spotted? There was a car park right behind the apartments, which as far as I can see from Google Maps, isn't gated in any way. Why not just drive in and bundle Maddie straight into the car and drive off?

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Post by Gracias on 15.05.11 18:09

NewGuest wrote:No - not the same newguest.. just a genuine new guest.

One of the many things which puzzles me about this case - just supposing that there was an abductor - why would he carry the child across the road and risk being spotted? There was a car park right behind the apartments, which as far as I can see from Google Maps, isn't gated in any way. Why not just drive in and bundle Maddie straight into the car and drive off?

Maybe he didn't have a car?

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Post by NewGuest on 15.05.11 18:31

Well, maybe he didn't have a car. So the abductor just walked in on the off chance, in the same way that a casual thief might steal a wallet carelessly left by an open window?
I am just puzzled, that's all.

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Post by Gracias on 15.05.11 18:33

NewGuest wrote:Well, maybe he didn't have a car. So the abductor just walked in on the off chance, in the same way that a casual thief might steal a wallet carelessly left by an open window?
I am just puzzled, that's all.

We're all puzzled hun...none of it makes sense does it? Which is why we ask questions then told we're nutters. flower

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Post by Guest on 15.05.11 18:35

@Gracias wrote:
NewGuest wrote:No - not the same newguest.. just a genuine new guest.

One of the many things which puzzles me about this case - just supposing that there was an abductor - why would he carry the child across the road and risk being spotted? There was a car park right behind the apartments, which as far as I can see from Google Maps, isn't gated in any way. Why not just drive in and bundle Maddie straight into the car and drive off?

Maybe he didn't have a car?


Maybe not, cos he obviously liked his excercise, walking around PDL in opposite directions for 35 minutes big grin

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Post by Garth on 15.05.11 18:44

I've given you a reasonable explanation as to what could have happened.
 
How about you backing up your giggles with an explanation as to why the McCanns would campaign for a transparent investigation by Scotland Yard if they were guilty? 

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Post by Guest on 16.05.11 9:34

Have you looked up 'Smoke & Mirrors' yet Garth?

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