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Post by Ringo on 14.06.11 22:46

It's a 50 plus page response to your leaflet, with sources and referenced back-up running to many more pages Tony and make the point most convincingly indeed that virtually all your 50 Facts are false, innacurate or misleading. Do you really not have the time or energy to defend yourself against this? Perhaps you have less confidence in your leaflet now that you have seen this.

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Post by Guest on 14.06.11 22:55

Jayelles has taken months to reply and you and he/she can't expect Tony to down tools and reply immediately.

You'll all have to wait a while.


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Post by Ringo on 14.06.11 23:11

No one was expecting an instant rebuttal from Tony, however the speed with which he was happy to agree with C.Edwards ludicrous assertion that 'Exposing The Myths' is "incredibly flimsy" seemed to suggest that he wasn't planning to give it due consideration. A few weeks ago Tony seemed very keen to have his leaflet rebutted by Jayelles, but perhaps this is a little more than he had bargained for!

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Post by C.Edwards on 14.06.11 23:40

@Ringo wrote:No one was expecting an instant rebuttal from Tony, however the speed with which he was happy to agree with C.Edwards ludicrous assertion that 'Exposing The Myths' is "incredibly flimsy" seemed to suggest that he wasn't planning to give it due consideration. A few weeks ago Tony seemed very keen to have his leaflet rebutted by Jayelles, but perhaps this is a little more than he had bargained for!

To be fair, my comment was made before I realised there was more detail there. I did add a postscript.

I am struggling to read it all but I'll try tomorrow. A skim read of a few points seem to show a very biased document, however.

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An improved second edition

Post by Tony Bennett on 15.06.11 0:06

@Ringo wrote:It's a 50 plus page response to your leaflet, with sources and referenced back-up running to many more pages Tony and make the point most convincingly indeed that virtually all your 50 Facts are false, innacurate or misleading. Do you really not have the time or energy to defend yourself against this? Perhaps you have less confidence in your leaflet now that you have seen this.
Well, much of our energy in recent weeks has gone into distributing the leaflet, [SNIPPED]
The remainder of this post has been removed by Tony Bennett at the request of Edward Smethurst, based on an agreement reached at the High Court on 7 December 2011 in settlement of his libel claim against me.


It's going well, though extra distributors are always welcome.

Maybe as we gear up for a second edition we shall be able to take account of Jayelles' suggested improvements.


P.S. I haven't actually seen any '50-page plus' response, can you ask Jayelles to send it to me, or at least tell me where I can find it, thanks!

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Post by Maria on 15.06.11 4:24

My thoughts, this 50 page whatever, is climbing out now perhaps because they are wanting to use your platform. I would simply ignore it seeing as it was you who accepted the challenge first up onlu to be duped. Why bother. Maybe they are afraid of becoming extince but by answering you would be letting them have a vile voice for a little longer..
My advise, let them die out..

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Post by Me on 15.06.11 7:28

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Ringo wrote:It's a 50 plus page response to your leaflet, with sources and referenced back-up running to many more pages Tony and make the point most convincingly indeed that virtually all your 50 Facts are false, innacurate or misleading. Do you really not have the time or energy to defend yourself against this? Perhaps you have less confidence in your leaflet now that you have seen this.
Well, much of our energy in recent weeks has gone into distributing the leaflet, even to places where apparently folk like Edward Smethurst and Brian Kennedy have rushed to the front desk at Greater Manchester Police to complain that the leaflet is 'harassing' them [by the way, two weeks later, I haven't had a 6am dawn 'knock at the door'].

It's going well, though extra distributors are always welcome.

Maybe as we gear up for a second edition we shall be able to take account of Jayelles' suggested improvements.


P.S. I haven't actually seen any '50-page plus' response, can you ask Jayelles to send it to me, or at least tell me where I can find it, thanks!

Each rebbutal on the 50 points page is in fact a link. Click on that link and it takes you to the detail, source, quotes etc.

For example here's the detail to point 1:

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077415/Rebuttal-of-%22Fact%22-1

Here's the detail for point 1:


1.
The McCanns originally claimed they found the shutters and window of
the children’s room open. They ’phoned relatives that night saying: ‘An
abductor broke in and took Madeleine’. But when police and the managers
of the complex declared there was no sign of forced entry, they changed their story,
saying they must have left the patio doors open. The window had been
cleaned the day before. Only Kate McCann’s fingerprints were found on
the window.


Verdict - False and misleading. The McCanns didn't change their story. Kate's fingerprints were on the inside of the window;
it's not known what was found on the outside. Also, MMRG failed to
mention the inclusion of the unidentified partial fingerprints which
were found on the shutters.

Source - Media articles and police files.



  1. Summary of Verifiable Facts
  2. Extracts from the files, with relevant sections highlighted in red

    1. Re shutters and window

      1. Witness statement of Kate Marie Healy, 2007/05/04 at 14:20hrs
      2. Witness statement of Gerald Patrick McCann, 2007/05/04 at 11:15
      3. Witness statement of Gerald Patrick McCann 2007/09/07
      4. Witness statement of Amy Tierney 2007/05/06
      5. Witness statement of Antonio Henrique da Conceicao Duarte 2007/05/16
      6. Portuguese Forensics examining the apartment on 4 May 2007, their report is dated 2007/05/08
      7. Algarve Resident"Concern grows for missing child in Algarve" Updated 17:41 2007/05/04

    2. Re calling relatives and friends

      1. Witness statement of Patricia Cameron 2008/04/15
      2. Witness statement of Paul Seddon(McCann Priest) 2008/04/16
      3. Yorkshire Post "Frantic hunt as British girl feared abducted" Published on Fri May 04 19:08:14 BST 2007 Kate O'Hara
      4. Yorkshire Post "The couple for whom every parent's worst nightmare became a reality" Published on Sat May 05 10:21:58 BST 2007

    3. Re cleaning window/fingerprints

      1. Witness statement of the cleaner of the apartment, Maria Julia Serafim da Silva, 2007/05/07
      2. Report by Joao Barreiras, Assistant Specialist 2007/05/04
      3. Report by Irene Trovão, Assistant Specialist 2007/05/04
      4. Report by Irene Trovão, Assistant Specialist 2007/05/18


  3. Compare MMRG statement with the actual FACTS





Summary of Verifiable Facts




  1. The McCanns didn't
    change their story. Right from the start, in official statements to the
    Policia Judiciaria (PJ), they said the patio doors were closed but
    weren't locked.
  2. There's at least one independent
    witness who's stated that when she went to the bedroom the shutter was
    raised and the window was partially open.
  3. Madeleine's parents were upset and in
    shock. They called people late that night informing them Madeleine had
    been abducted. After a sleepless night, it was Trish Cameron (Gerry's
    sister and Madeleine's aunt) who contacted the press telling them about
    Madeleine's disappearance. She mentioned; the open door, window, raised
    shutters and what they thought had happened.
  4. The statement given by the cleaner of the apartment, doesn't give any indication of her ever cleaning the window.
  5. Five fingerprints on the inside of
    the window were identified as belonging to Kate McCann. The PJ's report
    doesn't mention how many inadequate fingerprints were found on the
    inside or the outside of the window. In fact it doesn't even mention if
    the outside of the window was checked. There are a number of
    unidentified/inadequate fingerprints recovered from the patio doors and
    the shutters. After a two week period, there was also a fingerprint
    found, identified as belonging to a GNR officer.



Extracts from the files, with relevant sections highlighted in red




Re shutters and window




Witness statement of Kate Marie Healy, 2007/05/04 at 14:20hrs



"At around 10pm, the witness came to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed, but unlocked,
as already said, and immediately noticed that the door to her
children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the
shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having
closed them all as she always did.."




Witness statement of Gerald Patrick McCann, 2007/05/04 at 11:15



"The side door that opens into the living room, which as said earlier, was never locked, was closed."



Witness statement of Gerald Patrick McCann 2007/09/07



When questioned, he states that from the first moment, after the first fruitless searches, he thought that Madeleine had been abducted and it was this information that he gave to everyone to whom he spoke. He reached such a conclusion because he did not think it possible that she had gone out on her own or opened the blinds and window in the room.
When questioned, he says that on that night he made several phone calls, including calls to two sisters, a couple of Kate's uncles, his brother or certainly sent him a message, father Paul Seddon who baptized Madeleine and married G. and K.



Witness statement of Amy Tierney 2007/05/06



She confirms that, on the night of the disappearance she was on
duty and immediately went to the bedroom to see if the girl was hiding. She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open. It was then that she began to look in the wardrobes to see if the girl was hiding.

The first idea that occurred to her was that the girl could have left by her own means, however after checking that the window was open and the shutter raised
she asked the parents whether Madeleine’s shoes were there, to which
they replied that they were, these facts led her to think that Madeleine
could have been taken by someone.

However there was a bed against the window, which could have enabled the girl to climb up onto it and then up to the window, the witness thinks it would not be possible as she would not be able to open the shutters and
even if she had done so she would have fallen outside as the window is
too high for a child of that age to be able to descend without falling.




Witness statement of Antonio Henrique da Conceicao Duarte 2007/05/16



After Roque checked that the child was not in the apartment, he
gathered information from the mother and father. He was told by the
patrol, that the father had put forward a theory saying that it could
have been an abduction. He was also told that there was a shutter that had been 'raised'.




Portuguese Forensics examining the apartment on 4 May 2007, their report is dated 2007/05/08



Finally, there also proceeded the detailed analysis of the door and of the windows of the target apartment there not being detected the existence of any clues/traces of break-in/forced entry on them.



Algarve Resident"Concern grows for missing child in Algarve" Updated 17:41 2007/05/04



"There were no signs of forced entry, and the door to the apartment was undamaged and closed, although it is believed that one of the windows was open."





Re calling relatives and friends







Witness statement of Patricia Cameron 2008/04/15



"I remember hearing about Madeleines disappearance by phone on
the night of 3rd May 2007. I usually go to bed late but I was
particularly tired that night and went to bed early. I was woken by the
phone ringing at about 23.30. It was Gerry
telling me that Madeleine had been taken. He was very upset on the
phone, it was the worst phone call I have had in my life
. remember asking him for contacts of people in Portugal so that we could call them. Gerry was in no state to say much.
I tried to remain calm for him, I suggested that he contact the British
Embassy and I remember him telling me that he had spoken to the local
police but they were not taking the situation seriously. I remember
Gerry saying that they did not treat the matter with urgency and only
stated that Madeleine must have left on her own and that she would be
back later. It was so frustrating, Madeleine did not do things like
that, she was not that kind of girl.

Gerry is normally very calm and serene, he has a logical perception of things, but he was hysterical he was shouting.
He mentioned the possibility that that she could have been taken by a
paedophile, I tried to calm him but there was nothing I could say to
help him. I had never seen him so out of control. The pain and the
anguish, it was the worst scenario imaginable, the waiting was
unbearable.

In total frustration, I contacted our local police to ask for help and advice but unfortunately they were not able to help us.
Sandy
began to search for phone contacts on the computer and there were phone
calls back and forth to Portugal and to the Embassy in Lisbon. I think
Kate had called her aunt and uncle. I was left with the task of
informing our family here. As my mother is quite vulnerable and fragile I
decided to give her the news personally. That
was one of the worst things I have ever had to do. We sat in her
apartment feeling incredulous, wondering what to do next. I feel the
necessity of contacting the media and called the BBC
, gave an interview to a reporter and afterwards there were more reporters and more interviews. "




Witness statement of Paul Seddon(McCann Priest) 2008/04/16



"The first time I heard of Madeleines disappearance was in the early morning of Friday 4th May 2007.
I
received a phone call from Linda who told me what had happened, and I
immediately sent a text message to Kates mobile, telling her that my
prayers were with them. I received a reply almost immediately and I
remember Kate wrote that she felt as if the world was about to fall
apart.

At about 1.30 that morning Kate called me in a state of great agitation.
I tried to calm her as well as I could saying that Madeleine could have
had a bout of sleepwalking and that she would be all right. I remember
that Kate was worried by the fact that Madeleine was wearing short
sleeved pyjamas and that she could catch a cold. I felt that only a
mother could think like that and say such a thing. I could perceive the
trauma that Kate was experiencing from her voice. I led with prayers and
other situations in my role as priest.

Gerry phoned me on the same night and he also seemed to me to be quite
traumatised and at the same time very upset and angry. His Scottish
accent, which was normally very slight, became so heavy that his
sentences were almost incomprehensible.
I spoke to them again the following morning and their state was practically the same."




Yorkshire Post "Frantic hunt as British girl feared abducted" Published on Fri May 04 19:08:14 BST 2007 Kate O'Hara



Madeleine’s aunt, Trish Cameron, who lives in Dumbarton near
Glasgow, said her brother Gerry, the girl’s father, called her on
Thursday night “breaking his heart”.

His wife had gone to check on the children and “came out screaming”, she said.
“The door was lying open, the window in the bedroom and the shutters had been jemmied open.
“Nothing had been touched in the apartment, no valuables taken, no passports.
They think someone must have come in the window and gone out the door with her.”



Yorkshire Post "The couple for whom every parent's worst nightmare became a reality" Published on Sat May 05 10:21:58 BST 2007



Speaking in Glasgow, Ms Cameron told BBC News 24: "The front door was lying open, the window had beentampered with, the shutters had been jemmied open, or whatever you call it,
and Madeleine was missing."It looks as if somebody has come in the
window, they've either been watching or they've targeted her.





Re cleaning window/fingerprints




Witness statement of the cleaner of the apartment, Maria Julia Serafim da Silva, 2007/05/07



"With respect to her activities performed directly in the
apartment, she declares that the last time she entered the apartment was
on the Wednesday prior to the events, specifically on the 2nd of May,
when she cleaned the apartment. When questioned, she declares that as
opposed to what is established, on Thursday the 3rd and due to other
chores, she did not have time to collect the garbage bags.

She
remembers that when she entered Apartment A on the Wednesday, the
parents were inside. After being duly authorized, she entered and
carried out her work, because they were already on their way out. While
she was in the apartment, there were no children there, and she supposed
that they were in the creche. While performing her work, she remembers
having noticed that the couple was sleeping in the room located opposite
the entrance, where she confirmed the presence of a child's bed (crib).
The room gives onto an outdoor garden by means of a terrace, as it is
on the ground floor,. In the room next to the entrance to the apartment
there was a bed placed next to the wall (where she supposed the missing
child slept), and also the second child's bed (crib). All these beds
were untidy at the time, meaning that they had been used. She also
declares that in the room next to the entrance was another bed that had
not been used.

On the following Friday, the day after the
child disappeared, she states that due to police formalities, she did
not clean apartment A"

No mentioning of how long she's stayed in there, what she did and if she's cleaned any windows.



Report by Joao Barreiras, Assistant Specialist 2007/05/04



At apartment 5A, Ocean Club: Inside glass of the window in the
children's bedroom. Five prints were recovered; three of the middle
finger of the left hand and two of the index finger of the left hand of
the mother of the missing child.

Only the inside of the glass was examined
at this time due the fact that it was night and the location was sealed
until there was sufficient light to allow the examination of the
residence to be completed.




Report by Irene Trovão, Assistant Specialist 2007/05/04



At 11:00am on 4 May 2007 I, IT, assistant-specialist, began to examine the following location:
At apartment 5A, Ocean Club:
- Side of the patio door: One adequate print recovered but not matched to known persons.
- Outside of one patio door: Eight inadequate prints were recovered.
- Outside of [the other] patio door: One inadequate print was recovered.
- Outside of the external blinds to the children's bedroom: Three inadequate prints were recovered.



Report by Irene Trovão, Assistant Specialist 2007/05/18



This morning Officer Silva delivered various fingerprints
belonging to his officers who were on duty at the apartment on the night
of 3 – 4 May 2007.

These were compared to the finger print which was identified as being that of Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa of the Lagos GNR.




Compare MMRG statement with the actual FACTS



MMRG quote:
the McCanns changed their story after the police and the managers of
the complex declared there was no sign of forced entry, saying they must
have left the patio doors open.
Actually: They
didn't change their story. Kate said the side door was closed but
unlocked, the door to the bedroom was open, the window was open, the
shutters raised. As you can see, that's what they told the GNR. Kate's
statement was made beforethe PJ or the manager of the complex said there was no sign of a forced entry. Her statement has been unchanged throughout.


MMRG quote: they ’phoned relatives that night saying: ‘An abductor broke in and took Madeleine’
Actually: After
the initial unsuccessful search and thinking it wasn’t possible for
Madeleine to go out on her own or have opened the bedroom shutters and
window, Gerry told everybody (including his sister) Madeleine was
abducted. His sister said in a newspaper interview: "They think someone
must have come by the window and gone out the door with her.”


MMRG quote: the window had been cleaned the day before.
Actually: How
is it possible to verify whether the window was cleaned the day before
if there is no record of this in the statement given to the PJ by the
cleaner of the apartment? There is also no other mention in the official
files stating that she or anyone else had cleaned that window.


MMRG quote: Only Kate McCann's fingerprints were found on the window.
Actually: Using
the word "only" is disingenuous. It suggests there were no other
fingerprints found other than Kate's. Five fingerprints belonging to
Kate McCann were found on the inside of the window, which isn’t unusual for someone who was residing in the apartment. But these are not the only
fingerprints that were found. The fingerprints report also mentions
three inadequate fingerprints found on the outside of the shutters. The
report doesn't mention the outside of the window and the inside of the
shutters ever being examined or the doorknobs.

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Post by Me on 15.06.11 7:31

@Ringo wrote:No one was expecting an instant rebuttal from Tony, however the speed with which he was happy to agree with C.Edwards ludicrous assertion that 'Exposing The Myths' is "incredibly flimsy" seemed to suggest that he wasn't planning to give it due consideration. A few weeks ago Tony seemed very keen to have his leaflet rebutted by Jayelles, but perhaps this is a little more than he had bargained for!

I don't think that's necessarily true. I think the way it's laid out means as a first impression there's not much there. It's only when you click on the details do you see the detail.

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Post by Me on 15.06.11 7:37

@Maria wrote:My thoughts, this 50 page whatever, is climbing out now perhaps because they are wanting to use your platform. I would simply ignore it seeing as it was you who accepted the challenge first up onlu to be duped. Why bother. Maybe they are afraid of becoming extince but by answering you would be letting them have a vile voice for a little longer..
My advise, let them die out..

No i think that this document produced by Jayellles (whoever that is) has to be addressed by Tony & the Foundation really as soon as possible. It is essentially calling Tony & the reasearch group liars and stating:

WARNING! : 54% of these "facts" are either partially or entirely FALSE!

32% are significantly misleading or misrepresentative of the facts!

1 is a rumour (even the source says it is a rumour)!

Many others are unsubstantiated or simply irrelevant.

Finally, despite what the MMRG claim,

68% have the (frequently British) media as their source!

If these points aren't answered it will undermine the legitimacy of the 50 facts leaflet. In my opinion this has to be treated as the highest priority by the MMRG.

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Post by Guest on 15.06.11 9:11

@Me wrote:

MMRG quote: Only Kate McCann's fingerprints were found on the window.
Actually: Using
the word "only" is disingenuous. It suggests there were no other
fingerprints found other than Kate's. Five fingerprints belonging to
Kate McCann were found on the inside of the window, which isn’t unusual for someone who was residing in the apartment. But these are not the only
fingerprints that were found. The fingerprints report also mentions
three inadequate fingerprints found on the outside of the shutters. The
report doesn't mention the outside of the window and the inside of the
shutters ever being examined or the doorknobs.

In my eyes, there is a clear divide between the window and the shutter. The fact remains Kate's fingerprints were the only ones found on the window. Yes, we still have some unusable prints found on the outside of the shutter, but in my opinion that is a different matter altogether and should be treated seperately.

Your comment about "someone residing in the apartment", up until recently I would have to agree with. But now that Kate mentions in her book that she never once opened the window or raised the shutter and as such that it remained dark in the children's bedroom all week. If as she claims she never opened the window or raised the shutter, why was her prints found on the window? Also, if the room was dark all week during the day, would she have bothered to close the curtains at night?, I somehow doubt that very much. If she left them open, who closed them on the night Madeleine was reported missing?

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Post by Me on 15.06.11 9:18

Stella wrote:
@Me wrote:

MMRG quote: Only Kate McCann's fingerprints were found on the window.
Actually: Using
the word "only" is disingenuous. It suggests there were no other
fingerprints found other than Kate's. Five fingerprints belonging to
Kate McCann were found on the inside of the window, which isn’t unusual for someone who was residing in the apartment. But these are not the only
fingerprints that were found. The fingerprints report also mentions
three inadequate fingerprints found on the outside of the shutters. The
report doesn't mention the outside of the window and the inside of the
shutters ever being examined or the doorknobs.

In my eyes, there is a clear divide between the window and the shutter. The fact remains Kate's fingerprints were the only ones found on the window. Yes, we still have some unusable prints found on the outside of the shutter, but in my opinion that is a different matter altogether and should be treated seperately.

Your comment about "someone residing in the apartment", up until recently I would have to agree with. But now that Kate mentions in her book that she never once opened the window or raised the shutter and as such that it remained dark in the children's bedroom all week. If as she claims she never opened the window or raised the shutter, why was her prints found on the window? Also, if the room was dark all week during the day, would she have bothered to close the curtains at night?, I somehow doubt that very much. If she left them open, who closed them on the night Madeleine was reported missing?

Hi Stella,

Do you have the direct quote from her book about her not opening the windows?

Also i agree regarding the fingerprints on the shutter. Surely they are not relevant if the shutter hasn't been forced open as first claimed?

What would have been relevant is if there were unusable fingerprints on the inside of the window suggesting someone had got into the apartment through the patio and opened the window and shutter.

What would have been relevant is if there were unusable prints on the outside of the shutter and the shutter had in fact been jemmied open.

But unusable prints on the outside of an jemmied shutter and no prints on the insdie window do not serve to add weight to the abduction theory.

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Post by Guest on 15.06.11 9:30

Having just re-read that bit, we have even more proof. She kept the curtains closed "all week" !!

Madeleine was very taken with the novelty of sharing a room with Sean and Amelie – at home she has her own – and it was nice to have them all together. She had the bed nearest the door, leaving the one by the window empty. On our arrival we had lowered the blind-style shutters on the outside of the windows, which were controlled from the inside, and closed the curtains. We left them that way all week. This early in the season, the nights were not that warm, there was no need to open a window and we reasoned that having the shutters down and the curtains drawn would keep it cool during the day. Although it meant the room was very dark, the children weren’t going to be in there in the daytime, and at night we always left the door ajar to let in a little light.

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Post by Guest on 15.06.11 9:32

I do remember somewhere there is a document or something that confirms when the window was cleaned. I will try and look for it.

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Post by Ringo on 15.06.11 10:51

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Ringo wrote:It's a 50 plus page response to your leaflet, with sources and referenced back-up running to many more pages Tony and make the point most convincingly indeed that virtually all your 50 Facts are false, innacurate or misleading. Do you really not have the time or energy to defend yourself against this? Perhaps you have less confidence in your leaflet now that you have seen this.
Well, much of our energy in recent weeks has gone into distributing the leaflet, even to places where apparently folk like Edward Smethurst and Brian Kennedy have rushed to the front desk at Greater Manchester Police to complain that the leaflet is 'harassing' them [by the way, two weeks later, I haven't had a 6am dawn 'knock at the door'].

It's going well, though extra distributors are always welcome.

Maybe as we gear up for a second edition we shall be able to take account of Jayelles' suggested improvements.


P.S. I haven't actually seen any '50-page plus' response, can you ask Jayelles to send it to me, or at least tell me where I can find it, thanks!

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39076140/Main-Page

You will see each of your 50 "facts" listed in blue and underlined - if you click on each one it will take you through to a full sourced rebuttal with further links to every source.

For your information this is taken from the summary -

How accurate is the 50 Facts Leaflet?


Following a thorough analysis of the 50 "facts", our fully sourced rebuttal proves the following:-

27 (54%) of the "Facts" are false.
11 (22%) of the "Facts" contain significant misquotations.
16 (32%) of the "Facts" are misleading or contain misrepresentations of the facts.
1 (2%) of the "Facts" is a rumour - even the source claims it to be so.
4 (8%) of the "Facts" are Irrelevant - unfortunately, three of these are the only claims which happen to be true!
2 (4%) of the "Facts" contain unsubstantiated claims.
3 (6%) of the "Facts" are based upon quotes which have been taken out of context. Many of these are also MISquotes.

This rather suggests you have your work cut out for you Tony, prior to the publication of the second edition!

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Re: Tony accepts Jayelles' challenge - but she ducks it

Post by Ringo on 15.06.11 10:54

Furthermore, exhaustive analysis of these '50 Facts the Media Aren't Telling us about' shows that 68% of these so-called facts actually came from the (mainly British) media in the first place (though you and your team neglected to show your sources for any of them!)

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Post by sonic72 on 09.09.12 21:04

Wow, this Jaylees character is full of it! I suspect they are very friendly with the mccann's, kate especially.

What a coward for not revealing their identity, just another person who thinks being annoymous and having a keyboard means they can behave how they want. My advice to Jaylees is seek some psycological help, all is not right in their mind.

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Post by sonic72 on 09.09.12 21:44

Let's for one minute pretend Maddy was abducted, if you're an abductor, and you only have a 'small window of opportunity' are you going to waste time trying to get a sleeping child through a window that is not designed very well to make the task of abduction easy?

Surely, if you were abducting her, you'd leave through the quickest exit, and then transfer her to a car parked at the side or rear of the apartment?

I'm just trying to get into the mind of an abductor, and it seems that if there was one, they left no trace, but chose a difficult and more time consuming method of removal?

The abduction theory is pretty weak imo.

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 10.09.12 9:43

I took a minute to look at these so-called 'rebuttals'

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39077415/Rebuttal-of-%22Fact%22-1

and what strikes me as outrageous that the rebuttal logic goes like this:

CLAIM:
• The McCanns asserted the shutters had been jemmied open
• They told all their relatives this 'fact'
• Subsequent examination showed that the shutters hadn't been jemmied open
• They changed their story about the patio doors being locked

Rebuttal
• No, they always said the patio doors were unlocked
• So there

It's amazing that whoever is writing this thinks that their rebuttal covers the main objection here: the claim that the window had been jemmied, forced or otherwise opened from the outside and the lack of evidence to back that up.


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