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Dr Gerry McCann working at The Spire Private Hospital , Leicestershire

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Post by ultimaThule on 01.07.14 7:38

The wee one sacrificed fame and glory as a footballer in order to go to med school? Are you saying he could have been Scotland's very own Luis Suarez, tigger?  sarcastic 

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Post by plebgate on 01.07.14 8:48

@ultimaThule wrote:The wee one sacrificed fame and glory as a footballer in order to go to med school? Are you saying he could have been Scotland's very own Luis Suarez, tigger?   sarcastic 
If he had become a prof. footballer instead of a Dr. he might not have needed to set up the Fund and ask pensioners and children to donate money.    As it happens he became a Dr. and resorted to using some of the Fund money for mortgage repayments.

As a prof. footballer he would most certainly have been able to afford a child minder on the 5 nights he left his children alone in a foreign land whilst out wining and wining.

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Post by Guest on 01.07.14 10:02

If I recall correctly from Kate's book, money (or lack of it) was not the excuse given for not availing herself of the evening childcare service.

So even if our Gezza was the new Gazza and earning shedloads of money, it would have made no difference!

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Post by tigger on 04.07.14 6:55

From topic 'Hall of Shame' page 74: re cadaver scent and GPs.

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Attending autopsies, or necropsies as you prefer to call them, is not part of the curriculum in UK medical schools, lj, and many thousands of practising doctors have never set foot in a mortuary or viewed, let alone performed, an autopsy,. In those med schools where anatomy continues to be learned using traditional methods as opposed to videos and computers, dissections are carried out on previously prepared cadavers in the anatomy lab where, as I have said, the overwhelming odour is that of formaldehyde.

Although this links to the site of a USA med school, the process of preparing and supplying cadavers for dissection is no different to that which is practised in the UK: http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v18n1/p17.html

Cristobell does not appear to be aware that in cases where a body has lain undiscovered for days/weeks or more, the police call on specially trained police surgeons (also known as forensic physicians) who work on a rota system providing a 24 hr service every day of the year. These doctors may also be practising GPs but are highly unlikely to be the GPs of the 'patients' they are called on to attend.

Cristobell has also overlooked the fact that as the odour of a decomposing corpse is rarely detectable to the human nose until 24 hours or more after death, it's perfectly possible for hospital and other doctors to go from med school through to retirement without having been exposed to that distinct odour which, once it has assailed the nostrils, can never be forgotten.
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Post by lj on 04.07.14 7:46

Hi Tigger,

Maybe we should post my answer to this post from UT too:

How sad for those UK medical students and doctors, they miss an essential part of the medical education and feedback on their treatments. So you really mean they don't attent a necrosy when a patient of them dies, even if their role was just being a lowly junior or medical student? Somehow I doubt that. In countries I have lived a necropsy would not continue if the treating doctor is not present. 

BTW at least in medical journals autopsy, necropsy, obduction is all used, depending of the area you live, and any medical student will know what you mean.

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Post by ultimaThule on 05.07.14 18:09

@tigger wrote:From topic 'Hall of Shame' page 74: re cadaver scent and GPs.

UltimaThule wrote:

Attending autopsies, or necropsies as you prefer to call them, is not part of the curriculum in UK medical schools, lj, and many thousands of practising doctors have never set foot in a mortuary or viewed, let alone performed, an autopsy,.  In those med schools where anatomy continues to be learned using traditional methods as opposed to videos and computers, dissections are carried out on previously prepared cadavers in the anatomy lab where, as I have said, the overwhelming odour is that of formaldehyde.  

Although this links to the site of a USA med school, the process of preparing and supplying cadavers for dissection is no different to that which is practised in the UK: http://www.indiana.edu/~rcapub/v18n1/p17.html

Cristobell does not appear to be aware that in cases where a body has lain undiscovered for days/weeks or more, the police call on specially trained police surgeons (also known as forensic physicians) who work on a rota system providing a 24 hr service every day of the year.   These doctors may also be practising GPs but are highly unlikely to be the GPs of the 'patients' they are called on to attend.  

Cristobell has also overlooked the fact that as the odour of a decomposing corpse is rarely detectable to the human nose until 24 hours or more after death, it's perfectly possible for hospital and other doctors to go from med school through to retirement without having been exposed to that distinct odour which, once it has assailed the nostrils, can never be forgotten.
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Hi Tigger,

Maybe we should post my answer to this post from UT too:

How sad for those UK medical students and doctors, they miss an essential part of the medical education and feedback on their treatments. So you really mean they don't attent a necrosy when a patient of them dies, even if their role was just being a lowly junior or medical student? Somehow I doubt that. In countries I have lived a necropsy would not continue if the treating doctor is not present.

BTW at least in medical journals autopsy, necropsy, obduction is all used, depending of the area you live, and any medical student will know what you mean.

In the interest of clarity I have merged the two posts above,.

I can assure you that, regardless of whether they are the lowliest house officers, exalted consultants, or general practitioners, it is not the custom for doctors in the UK to attend post-mortem examinations of their late patients, nor are they required to do so, lj, and should you continue to doubt my word, I suggest you use the internet to verify this for yourself.

I lament the fact that many med schools have abandoned traditional anatomical studies as I am firmly of the opinion that the most effective way of learning anatomy is by dissecting cadavers and, in addition, I find it disconcerting that a would-be surgeon may make his/her first cut on a living body albeit it one which may be unconscious.,

Fwiw, 'autopsy' and 'post-mortem' are the terms most commonly used in the UK and, as such, are generally understood by non-medics.  In drawing attention to your use of 'necropsy', I merely sought to spare some readers of this forum the need to look the word up in a dictionary.  

I would like to thank tigger for moving my post to this thread as it may serve as an example of what certain doctors will not have learned when they were at med school and may help  to disabuse the myth that the profession in general is composed of those who know everything there is to know about the human body ante, pre, and post mortem.  As some have so aptly demonstrated, it doesn't require a great deal of intelligence to graduate from med school.

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Re: Dr Gerry McCann working at The Spire Private Hospital , Leicestershire

Post by Estelle on 12.05.16 11:54

Bumping this thread as it needs updating and might be interesting for newbies to read.

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