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Daoud's novel explanation for Robert Murat claiming he had 'no idea' that there was encrypted material on his computer

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.01.11 20:51

After I put up an analysis about Robert Murat today, Daoud ventured to make a couple of observations.

My understanding is that the Research and Analysis section was put up for just that purpose and not for discussion.

One point raised was about Robert Murat's stepson. Daoud had apparently never heard of him. Cheshire Cat has put him right on that and I've left that response on that thread.

The other point Daoud raised was in connection with the admitted fact that Murat could give no explanation to the Portuguese Police as to why he had encrypted material on his website.

Now we've already seen Daoud's energy being applied to a whole set of ingenious - but scarcely rational - explanations for this and that.

Daoud managed to make light of or explain away altogether Dr David Payne's obviously sexualised gestures and words (on two separate occasions) in front of the Gaspars.

In doing so, he also came up with the ingenious claim that the Gaspars were not motivated by a concern to tell Leicestershire Police the truth, but were jealous of the Paynes and the McCanns.

On top of that we have had post after post recently in which he has tried to make out that it is totally other people's fault that Tanner made four separate references to finding the subject of her 'relieving Russell' (on the very night Madeleine disappeared) as funny and possibly the subject of a 'headline'.

On top of that, we have yet another ingenious excuse now put forward by Daoud for having encrypted material on his computer.

There were obvious grounds for considering that Robert Murat might well have been wanting to encrypt material on his computer because there was something illegal about its content.

But Daoud has bravely - and once again ingeniously - advanced the following argument: "Murat shared his computer with his Mum. He probably didn't want her to know that he was viewing adult pornography, which he told police he watched regularly".

Which begs one simple question, Daoud.

Why didn't he tell the police that?

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Re: Daoud's novel explanation for Robert Murat claiming he had 'no idea' that there was encrypted material on his computer

Post by crikey on 12.01.11 21:51

Personally if the Police do not ask the questions, why volunteer the answers? Was Murat asked about the encrypted material, if so when did he tell the Police and was he advised not to say anything? Watching porn is not a crime (unless it involves minors or animals) it is up to individuals. Well thats my opinion (and no i do not need to watch porn)

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Murat WAS asked about encryption on his computer. He had NO explanation.

Post by Tony Bennett on 12.01.11 22:28

@crikey wrote:Personally, if the Police do not ask the questions, why volunteer the answers? Was Murat asked about the encrypted material, if so when did he tell the Police and was he advised not to say anything?
As Daoud knows perfectly well, Robert Murat was asked several questions by the police about his computer and especialy about the presnence of encryption and enciphering systems on his computer.

He declined to have a Solicitor with him when he answered police questions.

Here is the relevant extract from my article, based on official police records and Goncalo Amaral's account in 'The Truth About A Lie':

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K. The encryption systems on Robert Murat’s computer, and his explanation for having them there

The Portuguese Police found encryption systems on Robert Murat’s computer, just as predicted by the second witness we learnt about above.


Here we print an edited summary of Robert Murat’s response to the police’s questions about his computer. The interview with him took place on 14 May 2007, just 11 days after Madeleine was reported missing.

Robert Murat, in answer to a question, said that no-one, without his authorisation, had ever accessed his computer systems. Apparently he had three such systems. One was called ACER, which has the Vista operating system installed. Another was a system developed by ASUS, and then he had a third system, his own ‘LG’ system. These last two systems had the XP operating system installed.

He told the police that it was by mere chance, and as a result of his mother’s choice, that the computer systems were interconnected and shared the access to the internet through an ADSL Modem-Router.

The contract for internet access, with SAPO - that is, Portugal Telecom - had been signed by his mother.

He told police that he did not consider himself an expert in computers and I.T. communications, but admitted to having used computers for ten years. He added that his current ADSL Modem-Router equipment was, so far as he recalled, an SMC brand. This was significant as it makes it possible to operate a network of computers via a ‘network-without-wires’, or ‘WiFi’ - wireless networking.

He was asked by the Portuguese police why the various computer systems that he had in his house were unsynchronised - that is, gave completely different times as to when, for example, he sent out e-mails. Murat told police that, as far as he knew, his computer systems had clocks with the date and time that were set to the official time. He could not explain why they were, in fact, unsynchronised.

He suggested that it might be due to the installation of the computers having been done by an outside company, ‘125 Computers’, whose headquarters were in Mexilhoeira-Grande. This company had configured all his operating systems.

Murat told the police that, so far as he knew, only ‘normal computer programs’ were on his computers. He said that the operating system and tools would be those typical of Microsoft family, such as word processing, spreadsheet, an internet browser called ‘Internet Explorer’, and anti-virus programs.

He went on to explain that his commercial activity was in the area of real estate. He advertised homes for sale on the internet. His computer programs, he said, were only what he needed for his commercial activity.

Asked if he had any unusual systems installed on computer, he referred only to a common computer program called ‘CCleaner’. This, he said, was just to improve the performance of his systems, and could not be used for example to erase traces of child pornography that might be on his computer. The CCleaner program was installed, he said, at his son’s suggestion. Murat admitted he did not know the full potential of the ‘CCleaner’ program. [NOTE: The CCleaner program does not wipe data from a hard disk].

The police put to him that a computer expert had told him that the ‘CCleaner’ program was designed to, inter alia, delete all the following: the history of navigation on the internet, temporary files, the exchange of files, recently used documents, the register of applications, the various registry files or ‘logs’, and the ‘garbage can’ or ‘recycle bin’. Murat said he’d used the program for about three years but that he didn’t know any details about how it operated; just that it enabled his computer to run more efficiently.

He was asked explicitly if he used encryption systems on his computer. He said categorically that he did not. He was asked specifically if he used strong encryption systems in his internet browser. He again denied it and emphasised that he does not use encrypted communications on the internet or in his computer system.

He added that he did not use, nor has, encrypted data in his systems, nor did he use enciphering to mask, hide or prevent access to data contained in his systems. Asked if he used encryption or enciphering in e-mail communications, he simply told the Portuguese police that he did not know what encryption was or how to use it.

The Portuguese Police now had Murat in a corner, as they had indeed found encryption and enciphering systems on his computer. The police asked him how he could explain the presence of several encrypted or enciphered files on in his systems, seeing that he is an experienced computer user for over ten years - and given that he had earlier in the interview declared that no-one else had had access to his computer network without authorisation.

Murat replied: "I would not know how to explain that”.

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Post by poppydog on 12.01.11 22:29

Well I know if I was being investigated during an abduction enquiry I would volounteer all information possible in order to clear my good and innocent name. If it was simply porn I would admit as much. I wouldn't wait until the police found the answer, why postpone clearing your name?

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Post by crikey on 12.01.11 22:32

I use CCleaner and it never wipes my hard drive or recycle bin, never wipes shared files or anything like that. Then again i use the free version

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Post by poppydog on 12.01.11 22:33

Sorry Tony, I posted before I saw your reply.

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Post by Cherry on 12.01.11 22:44

crikey - Personally if the Police do not ask the questions, why volunteer the answers?


Because you want to assist the Police in their enquiries into the disappearance of a little girl!

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Re: Daoud's novel explanation for Robert Murat claiming he had 'no idea' that there was encrypted material on his computer

Post by crikey on 12.01.11 22:47

@Cherry wrote:crikey - Personally if the Police do not ask the questions, why volunteer the answers?


Because you want to assist the Police in their enquiries into the disappearance of a little girl!

That is correct. I presume they asked questions about Madeleine and i presume he answered them. What i was saying is if he wasn't asked then why surrender such information, however Tony's post changes that idea of mine

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Post by Cherry on 12.01.11 22:49

my answer would still be the same. Why wouldnt he!

a little girl has 'gone missing' surely anyone would want to help as much as possible which would imo include volunteering information and answering any questions truthfully. In this case we do not appear to see that which is interesting to say the least.

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Post by crikey on 12.01.11 23:08

So by coming up to an officer and saying. "Oh by the way i watch porn and store it on my PC" is going to help find a missing person? In my opinion thats a no

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Post by Felix on 12.01.11 23:16

@crikey wrote:So by coming up to an officer and saying. "Oh by the way i watch porn and store it on my PC" is going to help find a missing person? In my opinion thats a no

I agree. His personal, private and sexual habits are his business unless asked specifically to reveal such in the line of enquiry.

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Post by Cherry on 12.01.11 23:19

It appears from what we know he didnt tell the truth.

If he was watching stuff that wasnt illegal he had no reason not to tell the truth, I am sure the Police would not have been shocked, wasnt it some of Leicestershire Police, for example, who were caught watching porn while on duty.

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Post by Felix on 12.01.11 23:24

@Cherry wrote:It appears from what we know he didnt tell the truth.

If he was watching stuff that wasnt illegal he had no reason not to tell the truth, I am sure the Police would not have been shocked, wasnt it some of Leicestershire Police, for example, who were caught watching porn while on duty.

Maybe he didn't want his mother to know what he was up to online?

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Post by littlepixie on 12.01.11 23:28

How would his mother know what he told the Police?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.01.11 23:34

@Cherry wrote:It appears from what we know he didn't tell the truth.

REPLY: That's an understatement. He had to change his storyto the police about what he did between 1 and 4 May in at least 17 material respects. He had to do that because by the time police had checked his 'phone records, these showed that he had lied many times over where he was and what he was doing on the first three of those days (May 1 to 3).

If he was watching stuff that wasnt illegal he had no reason not to tell the truth, I am sure the Police would not have been shocked, wasnt it some of Leicestershire Police, for example, who were caught watching porn while on duty.

REPLY: Yes, no fewer than NINETEEN officers were disciplined for this wholly outrageous conduct by supposedly trustworthly public servants. This all happened, as did the McCann case, under the watch of Chief Constable of Leicestershire Police, Matt Baggott, now promoted to Chief of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, and for a long time (and still) the President of the Christian Police Association. Some of the officers were merely given 'words of advice' - police code for the mildest of slaps on the wrist. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/6639967.stm

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Excuses for Robert Murat

Post by Tony Bennett on 12.01.11 23:37

@Felix wrote:Maybe he didn't want his mother to know what he was up to online?
The way some people on here make excuse after excuse for Robert Murat's conduct is very revealing.

Next thing is they'll be saying there's a perfectly rational explanation for Murat's conduct in lying to the police in 17 respects when he was first interviewed on 14 May.

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Post by Cherry on 12.01.11 23:40

@Felix wrote:
@Cherry wrote:It appears from what we know he didnt tell the truth.

If he was watching stuff that wasnt illegal he had no reason not to tell the truth, I am sure the Police would not have been shocked, wasnt it some of Leicestershire Police, for example, who were caught watching porn while on duty.

Maybe he didn't want his mother to know what he was up to online?


What he said to the Police would be confidential between him and the Police and there would be no reason I can think of why the Police would tell his mother what he had said if he disclosed that.

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Post by listener on 12.01.11 23:56

@Tony Bennett wrote:Some of the officers were merely given 'words of advice' - police code for the mildest of slaps on the wrist. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/6639967.stm
words of advice to police officers re. their PC activities

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Post by Cherry on 13.01.11 0:03

The programme also featured claims by Ms Hobson of derelictions of duty, including officers on patrol playing "hide-and-seek" in their cars and fetching takeaways while pretending to be busy.
An immediate investigation was ordered at the time by Leicestershire's Chief Constable, Matt Baggott, who apologised for the "poor behaviour" shown in the documentary.



I wonder if any of the officers involved were also involved in the Mccann case.



Also what does it say about the management of these officers when they were only given words of advice and only a few of them were disciplined.

Seems that some of LP felt they were above the law, arrogant and could do whatever they liked. Now who does that remind me of!

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Post by Felix on 13.01.11 0:16

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Felix wrote:Maybe he didn't want his mother to know what he was up to online?
The way some people on here make excuse after excuse for Robert Murat's conduct is very revealing.

Next thing is they'll be saying there's a perfectly rational explanation for Murat's conduct in lying to the police in 17 respects when he was first interviewed on 14 May.

Tony, it wasn't that long ago that Robert Murat was hailed a total hero by many on the most prominent anti forum of the day. Indeed, if I remember rightly he was invited there following some hoo ha about a respected member having courted his presence in PDL much to the the admiration and fawning of many.

I don't know if Murat is involved in Madeleines disappearance or not. I don't really want to know what he gets up to online either - unless it is pertinent to Madeleines whereabouts. If it is, then surely we must trust that the Portuguese investigation was thorough.

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Post by Blimunda on 13.01.11 0:32


I wonder why Mr R. Murat would lie to the Police about his wereabouts...
If I had to give answers to the Police I would tell everything about what I was asked and about what I wasn't asked.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 13.01.11 1:45

@Felix wrote:Tony, it wasn't that long ago that Robert Murat was hailed a total hero by many on the most prominent anti forum of the day.

They were wrong.

Indeed, if I remember rightly he was invited there following some hoo ha about a respected member having courted his presence in PDL much to the the admiration and fawning of many.

The fawners were wrong.

I don't know if Murat is involved in Madeleines disappearance or not.

I have never said he was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance - but as I've suggested elsewhere, he appears to have played a very significant role in events following her being reported missing.

I don't really want to know what he gets up to online either - unless it is pertinent to Madeleine's whereabouts.

Put Murat's many, shall we say strange, reported interests side by side with Malinka wiping his hard drive and then alongside Dr David Payne's sexualised gestures and words about an infant child and then possibly there is a pattern to all this which could be relevant.

If it is, then surely we must trust that the Portuguese investigation was thorough.

There are good reasons not to trust that investigation once Amaral was removed from it.

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Phone records aided Murat's memory

Post by Tony Bennett on 13.01.11 1:50

@Blimunda wrote:
I wonder why Mr R. Murat would lie to the Police about his wereabouts...
If I had to give answers to the Police I would tell everything about what I was asked and about what I wasn't asked.
Murat said he was 'tired' when interviewed on 14 May and that that is why he made so many, er, 'mistakes'. It appeared he had an acute episode of what is commonly known as 'multiple memory failure'.

When interviewed again on 10 and 11 July, his memory had made a remarkable improvement, contrary to the universal scientific law that memory fades with time.

The Portuguese Police's assembled 'phone records of where he was when seem to have done the trick!

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Post by Felix on 13.01.11 2:52

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Felix wrote:Tony, it wasn't that long ago that Robert Murat was hailed a total hero by many on the most prominent anti forum of the day.

They were wrong.


yes they were. Their irresponsible actions may have jeopardised the safety of a missing child. Who knows who reads the fora? Who knows how much the information blithely passed between posters is used by the perpetrators of the crime being dissected?

Indeed, if I remember rightly he was invited there following some hoo ha about a respected member having courted his presence in PDL much to the the admiration and fawning of many.

The fawners were wrong.

They most certainly were. I would say that 99% of 3A members were salivating that night - it was pretty hard to watch

I don't know if Murat is involved in Madeleines disappearance or not.

I have never said he was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance - but as I've suggested elsewhere, he appears to have played a very significant role in events following her being reported missing.

I don't really want to know what he gets up to online either - unless it is pertinent to Madeleine's whereabouts.

Put Murat's many, shall we say strange, reported interests side by side with Malinka wiping his hard drive and then alongside Dr David Payne's sexualised gestures and words about an infant child and then possibly there is a pattern to all this which could be relevant.

Surely you can make a pattern out of any sequence of events if you look hard enough?

If it is, then surely we must trust that the Portuguese investigation was thorough.

There are good reasons not to trust that investigation once Amaral was removed from it.

So the Portuguese police are wrong as well? What? All of them apart from Amaral? Wow.

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