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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by Guest on 16.12.09 23:36

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Honoria wrote:…you recently chose to plumb new depths by posting leaflets to residents of the village in which our clients live with their children”. Is the response Carter Ruck chose to use, feel free to correct this if its wrong.
The quote is correct but the content is not, since I have not delivered any leaflets in Rothley at any time. Whilst two or three Rothley people were found to complain about the leaflet, you'll find more than a few who were glad to receive them. The publicity generated by the leaflet drop, though unfavourable, nevertheless triggered many new orders for both '10 Reasons' and '60 Reasons' and we had a spate of new subscriptions to The Madeleine Foundation - plus hundreds of thousands of extra hits on our (former) website.

No you thought it would be better to go to Mountsorrell and post leaflets instead didn't you Bennett. But then you said you was at your mothers at the time, hence you could not do interviews.

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by vaguely on 16.12.09 23:37

• Grime said that Eddie had never ever given a ‘false alert’ in 200 previous outings



This isn't actually what Mr Grime said. You have altered the meaning of his comment. I don't understand why you would need to do that. He's the expert.

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by Guest on 16.12.09 23:41

I do believe many many people pointed out the problems with his leaflets.

AND BENNETT IF THE 10 REASONS IS CORRET THEN WHY DID YOU GIVE IN TO CARTER RUCK.....AFTER ALL YOU SAID IT WOULD ALL STAND UP IN COURT AND YOU WOULD GO TO COURT TO DEFEND IT. SO THAT WAS A LOAD OF RUBBISH TO.

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Post by Guest on 17.12.09 11:33

muratfan01 wrote:I do believe many many people pointed out the problems with his leaflets.

AND BENNETT IF THE 10 REASONS IS CORRET THEN WHY DID YOU GIVE IN TO CARTER RUCK.....AFTER ALL YOU SAID IT WOULD ALL STAND UP IN COURT AND YOU WOULD GO TO COURT TO DEFEND IT. SO THAT WAS A LOAD OF RUBBISH TO.


Mr Bennett appears to have his fingers in his ears and is singing 'lalalalala I can't hear you', just so he is able to come back in a weeks time posting just as vehemently that no one, not one single person has ever refuted any of his reasons, blah blah blah.

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Post by sans_souci on 17.12.09 12:04

It would seem so, Tara. But maybe accuracy was not the primary preoccupation when compling his publications. After all, he is very fond of saying that if the McCanns disagreed with what he had published, they could always sue him.

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Post by Bea_Reasonable on 17.12.09 12:12

@sans_souci wrote:It would seem so, Tara. But maybe accuracy was not the primary preoccupation when compling his publications. After all, he is very fond of saying that if the McCanns disagreed with what he had published, they could always sue him.

It certainly does seem so. Anything Mr B doesn't feel he can wriggle away from he simply ignores.

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by MaryB on 17.12.09 12:15

There's a lot more folk than Tony Bennett who are questionning the McCann's version of events. This case on the 12th January might clarify things. But to be honest I think it's very wrong that the McCann's should be allowed to name their own suspects and not a word said. Let's hope something positive comes out of this court case to move on the investigation into the very baffling disappearance of a three year old child who went on holiday and seemingly vanished.

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by Bea_Reasonable on 17.12.09 12:48

It's no worse that a violent, incompetent lead officer writing a book and thinking he can get rich off the same child is it?

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by Guest on 17.12.09 12:58

@MaryB wrote:There's a lot more folk than Tony Bennett who are questionning the McCann's version of events. This case on the 12th January might clarify things. But to be honest I think it's very wrong that the McCann's should be allowed to name their own suspects and not a word said. Let's hope something positive comes out of this court case to move on the investigation into the very baffling disappearance of a three year old child who went on holiday and seemingly vanished.

Woud you rather no-one was searching for this child, her parents are Madeleine's best shot, only shot!

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by Guest on 17.12.09 13:07

tyra wrote:
@MaryB wrote:There's a lot more folk than Tony Bennett who are questionning the McCann's version of events. This case on the 12th January might clarify things. But to be honest I think it's very wrong that the McCann's should be allowed to name their own suspects and not a word said. Let's hope something positive comes out of this court case to move on the investigation into the very baffling disappearance of a three year old child who went on holiday and seemingly vanished.

Woud you rather no-one was searching for this child, her parents are Madeleine's best shot, only shot!

Absolutely spot on tyra, then tell me why KM didn't answer those 48 questions, which might have shed some light on Madeleine's dissapearance?? After all they were'nt hard questions were they? Why didn't they help with a reconstruction, or their friends for that matter.

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by Guest on 17.12.09 13:41

candyfloss wrote:
tyra wrote:
@MaryB wrote:There's a lot more folk than Tony Bennett who are questionning the McCann's version of events. This case on the 12th January might clarify things. But to be honest I think it's very wrong that the McCann's should be allowed to name their own suspects and not a word said. Let's hope something positive comes out of this court case to move on the investigation into the very baffling disappearance of a three year old child who went on holiday and seemingly vanished.

Woud you rather no-one was searching for this child, her parents are Madeleine's best shot, only shot!

Absolutely spot on tyra, then tell me why KM didn't answer those 48 questions, which might have shed some light on Madeleine's dissapearance?? After all they were'nt hard questions were they? Why didn't they help with a reconstruction, or their friends for that matter.

They had already been answered? It's evidence to me that answering them again would help no-one so no doubt it was evidence to her, the police had just admitted to not searching for her and trying to pin her disappearance on them, kate did what any good mother would, she grit her teeth and did the best she could for her child.

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Post by Guest on 17.12.09 13:56

No, I don't think they had been answered. Even if they had, any parent would answer them again, and again, and again, if it was to help find their missing child. Why do you find that so hard to believe?

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Post by Guest on 17.12.09 14:18

candyfloss wrote:No, I don't think they had been answered. Even if they had, any parent would answer them again, and again, and again, if it was to help find their missing child. Why do you find that so hard to believe?

Not one single question of those 48 was designed to "help" the search for the missing child (how could "Did you call Sky News" and "Did you ask for a preast" affect the search in any way, shape or form). They only had one purpose and that was for Kate McCann to implicate herself in the disappearance of her daughter. In her situation, you would have had to be a complete idiot to answer them and her lawyer rightfully advised her not to.

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by Guest on 17.12.09 14:34

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candyfloss wrote:No, I don't think they had been answered. Even if they had, any parent would answer them again, and again, and again, if it was to help find their missing child. Why do you find that so hard to believe?

Not one single question of those 48 was designed to "help" the search for the missing child (how could "Did you call Sky News" and "Did you ask for a preast" affect the search in any way, shape or form). They only had one purpose and that was for Kate McCann to implicate herself in the disappearance of her daughter. In her situation, you would have had to be a complete idiot to answer them and her lawyer rightfully advised her not to.

This about sums up the mentality

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They only had one purpose and that was for Kate McCann to implicate herself in the disappearance of her daughter.



How could someone who is innocent and nothing to fear be implicated. How can you implicate yourself if you've done nothing wrong???

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by DCB1 on 17.12.09 14:47

Just a reminder:


1 On the 3rd of May 2007, at around 10 p.m., when you entered the apartment, what did you see, what did you do, where did you search, what did you handle?

2 Did you search in the couple’s bedroom’s closet? (said she would not reply)

3 (Two photographs of her bedroom’s closet are exhibited) Can you describe its contents?

4 Why are the curtains in front of the side window, behind the sofa (photograph is exhibited) ruffled? Did someone pass behind that sofa?

5 How long did the search that you made in the apartment after detecting the disappearance of your daughter Madeleine take?

6 Why did you say straight away that Madeleine had been abducted?

7 Presuming that Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins alone at home while you went to the Tapas to raise the alarm? Even because the supposed abductor could still be inside the apartment.

8 Why didn’t you ask the twins at that moment what had happened to their sister, or why didn’t you ask them at a later point in time?

9 When you raised the alarm at the Tapas, what exactly did you say and what were the words?

10 What happened after you raised the alarm at the Tapas?

11 Why did you do to warn your friends instead of calling out from the balcony?

12 Who contacted the authorities?

13 Who participated in the searches?

14 Did anyone outside of the group learn about Maddie’s disappearance during the following minutes?

15 Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?

16 What does the expression “we let her down” mean?

17 Did Jane mention to you that she had see a man with a child that night?

18 How were the authorities contacted and which police force was called?

19 During the searches, and already with the police present, in what locations was Maddie searched for, how and in what manner?

20 Why didn’t the twins wake up during that search, or when they went to the upper floor?

21 Who did you call after the facts?

22 Did you call SKY News?

23 Did you know about the danger of calling the media, because that could influence the abductor?

24 Did you request the presence of a priest?

25 How was Madeleine’s face publicized, with a photograph, or other media?

26 Is it true that during the search you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

27 How did you behave that evening?

28 Did you manage to sleep?

29 Before the trip to Portugal, did you comment on a bad feeling or a bad premonition?

30 What was Madeleine’s behaviour?

31 Did Maddie suffer of any disease or did she take any kind of medication?

32 What was the relationship like between Madeleine and her siblings?

33 What was the relationship like between Madeleine and her siblings, her friends and her colleagues at school?

34 Concerning your professional life, in how many and in which hospitals have you worked?

35 What is your medical specialty?

36 Did you work by shifts, in emergency rooms or in other departments?

37 Did you work on a daily basis?

38 Did you stop working at a certain point in time? Why?

39 Do your twin children have difficulty in falling asleep, are they unruly and does that upset you?

40 Is it true that at certain times you were desperate over your children’s attitude and that left you were upset?

41 Is it true that in England you considered the possibility of handing over Madeleine’s guardianship to a relative?

42 In England, did you give your children medication? What type of medication?

43 Within the process, you were shown films of cynotechnical inspection of forensic character, where the dogs can be seen marking indications of human cadaver odour and equally human blood traces, and only of human origin, as well as all the comments that were made by the responsible expert. After the visualization, and after cadaver odour was signaled in your bedroom next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa that was pushed against the living room window, you said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said?

44 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood behind the sofa by the detection dog

45 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of cadaver odour in the boot of the vehicle that you rented a month after the disappearance?

46 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, concerning the marking of human blood in the boot of the vehicle?

47 You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had already said, upon being confronted with the result of the collection of Maddie’s DNA, which was analysed by a British lab, behind the sofa and inside the vehicle’s boot?

48 Did you have any responsibility or intervention in the disappearance of your daughter?

The question that she answered
Are you aware of the fact that by not answering these questions you may compromise the investigation, which is trying to find out what happened to your daughter? She said yes, if the investigation thinks so.

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by Guest on 17.12.09 14:49

candyfloss wrote:
JessicaPer wrote:
candyfloss wrote:No, I don't think they had been answered. Even if they had, any parent would answer them again, and again, and again, if it was to help find their missing child. Why do you find that so hard to believe?

Not one single question of those 48 was designed to "help" the search for the missing child (how could "Did you call Sky News" and "Did you ask for a preast" affect the search in any way, shape or form). They only had one purpose and that was for Kate McCann to implicate herself in the disappearance of her daughter. In her situation, you would have had to be a complete idiot to answer them and her lawyer rightfully advised her not to.

This about sums up the mentality

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They only had one purpose and that was for Kate McCann to implicate herself in the disappearance of her daughter.



How could someone who is innocent and nothing to fear be implicated. How can you implicate yourself if you've done nothing wrong???

Never heard of miscarriage of justice before, are you on some other planet? How about Michael Cook and the murder of Rachel Charles, just as one example? http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html

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Post by Guest on 17.12.09 14:53

Thanks DCB1 for the reminder. Nope can't see a problem with any of those. Even if some had been answered before, you would answer them again. What does it matter - your child is missing fgs.

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by DCB1 on 17.12.09 14:57

Pretty cutting edge detective work wasn't it?


34 Concerning your professional life, in how many and in which hospitals have you worked

Ok you bugger you've got me - I confess!,

or

Oh - do you think Madeleine may be in one of them?

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Post by Guest on 17.12.09 14:57

JessicaPer wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
JessicaPer wrote:
candyfloss wrote:No, I don't think they had been answered. Even if they had, any parent would answer them again, and again, and again, if it was to help find their missing child. Why do you find that so hard to believe?

Not one single question of those 48 was designed to "help" the search for the missing child (how could "Did you call Sky News" and "Did you ask for a preast" affect the search in any way, shape or form). They only had one purpose and that was for Kate McCann to implicate herself in the disappearance of her daughter. In her situation, you would have had to be a complete idiot to answer them and her lawyer rightfully advised her not to.

This about sums up the mentality

Quote JessicaPer

They only had one purpose and that was for Kate McCann to implicate herself in the disappearance of her daughter.



How could someone who is innocent and nothing to fear be implicated. How can you implicate yourself if you've done nothing wrong???

Never heard of miscarriage of justice before, are you on some other planet? How about Michael Cook and the murder of Rachel Charles, just as one example? http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html


Oh so that's it - just because there have been a few miscarriages of justice, innocent people shouldn't answer any questions. If the police had no evidence, as you all keep banging on about, then answering those questions solely wouldn't have incriminated them.

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by Guest on 17.12.09 15:00

@DCB1 wrote:Pretty cutting edge detective work wasn't it?


34 Concerning your professional life, in how many and in which hospitals have you worked

Ok you bugger you've got me - I confess!


But that is just the sort of questions you are asked at a police interview. To give them background information. All police forces do it. Who do you think drew up the questions, a plumber big grin

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Post by DCB1 on 17.12.09 15:03

candyfloss wrote:
@DCB1 wrote:Pretty cutting edge detective work wasn't it?


34 Concerning your professional life, in how many and in which hospitals have you worked

Ok you bugger you've got me - I confess!


But that is just the sort of questions you are asked at a police interview. To give them background information. All police forces do it. Who do you think drew up the questions, a plumber big grin

No - a forum.

Are you saying they had not investigated her background before that interview?
Were they trying to trick her on the number of hospitals?

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Post by DCB1 on 17.12.09 15:10

Take note of what GA says:

"The decision to declare Kate and Gerald McCann arguidos was taken. Notification had already reached them. On September 6th, a little before 3pm, Kate arrives at the DIC in Portimão, accompanied by her press officer. Her lawyer has already arrived and the interview room is ready. The crowd has been building up outside for a while. Going through the door, Kate laughs as she says that this media scrum is good for tourism.

Her lawyer requests that she be heard as a witness and not interrogated as an arguida. We don't agree with what, to us, constitutes a backward step. Some officers involved in the investigation seem to be hoping for the miracle of a confession. We remain skeptical.

We finally decide to question her as a witness, but not to pose questions on the events after 5.30pm, the time at which she returned to the apartment with her three children. From that time on, everything she said could be held against her. According to the principle of non-incrimination, she would then have to be declared arguida since we have sufficient evidence to be able to do that."

"On September 7th at 11am, Kate Healy is declared an arguida on the basis of strong presumptions of the crime of concealing a body and simulating an abduction. She states her name and gives her address as her home in Great Britain. Taking advantage of the right accorded to her by her status, she remains silent and does not answer questions concerning the circumstances of her daughter's death, on May 3rd 2007, in the Ocean Club apartment."

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Post by Guest on 17.12.09 15:12

candyfloss wrote:
JessicaPer wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
JessicaPer wrote:
candyfloss wrote:No, I don't think they had been answered. Even if they had, any parent would answer them again, and again, and again, if it was to help find their missing child. Why do you find that so hard to believe?

Not one single question of those 48 was designed to "help" the search for the missing child (how could "Did you call Sky News" and "Did you ask for a preast" affect the search in any way, shape or form). They only had one purpose and that was for Kate McCann to implicate herself in the disappearance of her daughter. In her situation, you would have had to be a complete idiot to answer them and her lawyer rightfully advised her not to.

This about sums up the mentality

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They only had one purpose and that was for Kate McCann to implicate herself in the disappearance of her daughter.



How could someone who is innocent and nothing to fear be implicated. How can you implicate yourself if you've done nothing wrong???

Never heard of miscarriage of justice before, are you on some other planet? How about Michael Cook and the murder of Rachel Charles, just as one example? http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199293/cmhansrd/1992-06-09/Debate-20.html


Oh so that's it - just because there have been a few miscarriages of justice, innocent people shouldn't answer any questions. If the police had no evidence, as you all keep banging on about, then answering those questions solely wouldn't have incriminated them.

What are you on about, who keeps banging on about no evidence? If I recall correctly, it was the public prosector who said there was no evidence, I trust he had the necessary information about the case to come to this conclusion. In this case it was clearly Kate McCann's lawyer's opinion that she should not answer the questions and she followed his advice. Being in a foreign country where you are unfamiliar with the laws and police procedures, you would have to be stupid not to follow legal advice.

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by Autumn on 17.12.09 15:16

And why didn't any of them agree to return to Portugal for a reconstrucion?

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Re: The Portuguese Constitution

Post by Finally on 17.12.09 15:18

Hi

Some of the questions are a tadge odd to be asking while others do seem fair and reasonable.

The one in particular that stands out for me as most odd is whether Mrs McCann asked the twins of Madeleine's whereabouts. They were sleeping and even if they had stirred whilst Madeleine's vanishing had occurred I would assume that they would still be sleepy and might not have properly understood what they saw to be able to relay it accurately.

The other thing that makes me wonder the purpose of that question is their ages at the time. Surely Mrs McCann would have needed to have taken any questioning of the younger children a lot slower than if she had been questioning an older child. Time she possibly felt she didn't have and once awake she has two young children and their needs to consider when in fairness that is probably the last thing she wanted at that time.

I don't think they are all unreasonable questions, however.

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