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16th December Correio da Manhã UK Police did not disclose Payne susp paedophile

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Post by Guest on 17.12.10 14:37

I wonder whether PeterMac can help on this point. It`s been discussed elsewhere too but not resolved at least to my knowledge.

This is the question of the CATS no/file. Should we assume that this had been established/opened before May 2007 or is this a routine occurrence when a child disappears? I would need to look at the LP letter again but my recollection is that it does not make this point clear

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Re: 16th December Correio da Manhã UK Police did not disclose Payne susp paedophile

Post by PeterMac on 17.12.10 14:59

Sorry, I just don't know. Child protection was a specialism invented long after I left CID, and in any event I have been out of it since 2000.
We might ask on the Policespeak site or whatever it is called. (ukpoliceonline. I have just looked it up)
The existence of the files and the way they are handled is not exactly a state secret.

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Re: 16th December Correio da Manhã UK Police did not disclose Payne susp paedophile

Post by YNG on 17.12.10 18:19

@alison wrote:I wonder whether PeterMac can help on this point. It`s been discussed elsewhere too but not resolved at least to my knowledge.

This is the question of the CATS no/file. Should we assume that this had been established/opened before May 2007 or is this a routine occurrence when a child disappears? I would need to look at the LP letter again but my recollection is that it does not make this point clear

CATS is simply a data base system and in order for someone to be on that data base , ie have a file on them specifically , then they must in some way meet the criterion.

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Re: 16th December Correio da Manhã UK Police did not disclose Payne susp paedophile

Post by Judge Mental on 17.12.10 20:14

YNG wrote:

''Personally I would have thought it only natural in those circumstances to want to have friends close by, so their obvious snap decision to get them out of the frame so to speak is indeed curious.''

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Perhaps it is not quite so curious when we consider that Payne was present when Yvonne Martin arrived around 10am on the 4th May, only to learn from Kate McCann that Madeleine had (allegedly) been missing for an hour longer than the police were aware of. big grin

The McCanns would not have known whether Yvonne Martin had told the police that she had recognised Payne, as she did not openly demonstrate any recognition with regard to him. Payne possibly recognised Yvonne Martin, and both he and the McCanns would have been very wary as to whether authorities in the UK may have been informed of Martin's suspicions. Payne could have hidden in the apartments away from the glare of all publicity, but chose not to. Although it seems that it was considered imprudent for him to be filmed with them specifically, it may very well be that Payne himself wanted to avoid the cameras anyway, in case he was recognised by members of the public in Britain. Had he not been filmed in the background, we would have had to wait a lot longer for the Gaspars to make their statements, if at all. One is quite positve that had the Gaspars not seen him on television, none of the other Tapas members would ever have given them a full list of everybody who went along on that holiday.

Peculiarly enough, Mitchell is usually the first person to be suspicious of people wanting to loiter around scenes of crime areas, as was demonstrated when he spoke of Huntley and Murat in the same breath. So although he felt fit to put Murat in the frame, he never chose to do anything similar with Payne. It would have been impossible for Mitchell not to have been fully aware of the Gaspars having made statements to Leicester police on May 16th, and it will be interesting to find out if Mitchell had his own personal communications with Leicester police, or waited for the H.O. and F.C.O to furnish him with any details of this. Could there be any communiques through the Embassy with regard to this matter, which could have or still could create a diplomatic incident?

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Re: 16th December Correio da Manhã UK Police did not disclose Payne susp paedophile

Post by YNG on 17.12.10 21:31

The more you study the facial expressions and body language the more you realize that it looks very much like whatever went on in those few moments wasn’t supposed to happen. I don’t believe they intended to split up and go separate ways on leaving the building . I think both Gerry & Kate spotted camera’s, you can almost see in pic 5,6 & 7 that GM seems to focus on something ahead , which was more than likely press photographers . It’s odd given the circumstances why they would not want friends to be seen with them .

Was it a case of the Mc’s not wanting to share the limelight or was there as you suggest Judge M. another more sinister reason for not wanting to be seen with the Payne’s ? What’s also interesting is that if it was the latter , KM obviously must have been aware as she seems to have been the one initially to shoo Payne out of the way.

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