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Post by PeterMac on 14.12.10 9:36

"Developing evidence" is merely Police speak for putting an officer or a small team onto a particular snippet that has come in to the incident room. To research that snippet further, to take it as far as it will go, to flesh it out, is what is implied.
Conversely, to discover whether the snippet is in fact credible evidence at all, or is just a fabrication.
So the JT alleged 'sighting' would be followed up with house to house enquiries along the alleged route, with a look at any available CCTV, with physical searches, and so on.
It doesn't bear any other, or more sinister meaning.
It merely means that the British Police were actively involved in background enquiries, and by implication were involved in the decision to make the McCs arguido. But again that would be normal in English law. As soon as a person is reasonably suspected of involvement in a crime they should be informed of their right to silence.
Perhaps the British Police advised the Portuguese that there was now sufficient evidence to take that step.



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Post by ufercoffy on 14.12.10 9:43

Presumably it was Leicester police that wikileaks is referring to?

If so, why do Leicester police still link to the McCanns fund if they think the PJ had evidence to make them arguidos? Why do they encourage members of the public to give info to the McCanns PI's and not to Leicester police...oh, and while they're looking at the McCanns website that they visited from the police website they are then faced with a paypal button where they can give their hard earned money so the McCanns can pay their mortgage?

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Post by Guest on 14.12.10 9:51

@PeterMac wrote:"Developing evidence" is merely Police speak for putting an officer or a small team onto a particular snippet that has come in to the incident room. To research that snippet further, to take it as far as it will go, to flesh it out, is what is implied.
Conversely, to discover whether the snippet is in fact credible evidence at all, or is just a fabrication.
So the JT alleged 'sighting' would be followed up with house to house enquiries along the alleged route, with a look at any available CCTV, with physical searches, and so on.
It doesn't bear any other, or more sinister meaning.
It merely means that the British Police were actively involved in background enquiries, and by implication were involved in the decision to make the McCs arguido. But again that would be normal in English law. As soon as a person is reasonably suspected of involvement in a crime they should be informed of their right to silence.
Perhaps the British Police advised the Portuguese that there was now sufficient evidence to take that step.

Profiler Lee Rainbow seemed to think so.


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Post by tosca on 14.12.10 10:06

@PeterMac wrote:"Developing evidence" is merely Police speak for putting an officer or a small team onto a particular snippet that has come in to the incident room. To research that snippet further, to take it as far as it will go, to flesh it out, is what is implied.
Conversely, to discover whether the snippet is in fact credible evidence at all, or is just a fabrication.
So the JT alleged 'sighting' would be followed up with house to house enquiries along the alleged route, with a look at any available CCTV, with physical searches, and so on.
It doesn't bear any other, or more sinister meaning.
It merely means that the British Police were actively involved in background enquiries, and by implication were involved in the decision to make the McCs arguido. But again that would be normal in English law. As soon as a person is reasonably suspected of involvement in a crime they should be informed of their right to silence.
Perhaps the British Police advised the Portuguese that there was now sufficient evidence to take that step.


Hi Peter, I am perhaps not as fertile in the brain dept as I used to be so can you tell me, do the UK Police generally think the McCanns played a part in Madeleine's 'disappearance' shhhh

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Post by PeterMac on 14.12.10 10:31

I don't speak for the UK Police.
I don't think the UK Police have a 'position'.
What I do know that every one of my ex-colleagues at all ranks thinks that, shall we say, there is "some connection" !
As does a very senior and hard-nosed Barrister, Head of Chambers, of my acquaintance who scanned the now banned 60R book.
None of this is sufficient of course, nor even compelling.
We must all resist the temptation to say we know better. We are all trying to examine the details of what we have been given, to 'develop' it into evidence
"Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up" is the fallacy of 'a priori' reasoning.
Typical in fact of the pro-McCann camp. "There is a wholly innocent explanation for any material the police may or may not have found." Absolute idiocy of the first degree.

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Post by tosca on 14.12.10 10:38

@PeterMac wrote:I don't speak for the UK Police.
I don't think the UK Police have a 'position'.
What I do know that every one of my ex-colleagues at all ranks thinks that, shall we say, there is "some connection" !
As does a very senior and hard-nosed Barrister, Head of Chambers, of my acquaintance who scanned the now banned 60R book.
None of this is sufficient of course, nor even compelling.
We must all resist the temptation to say we know better. We are all trying to examine the details of what we have been given, to 'develop' it into evidence
"Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up" is the fallacy of 'a priori' reasoning.
Typical in fact of the pro-McCann camp. "There is a wholly innocent explanation for any material the police may or may not have found." Absolute idiocy of the first degree.

Thanks for that, I understand thumbsup

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Post by Guest on 14.12.10 10:52

PeterMac, can I ask you something please?

Do Police stations up and down the country have computer access to every Police incident regardless of where the incident occurred and does this include Scotland?

The reason I ask is, many moons ago, I heard through a WPC a very interesting thing about the Damiola case. She was not based at that station, but seemed to know quite a bit about it, long before the press did. All of which eventually came to light. I have long wondered how she came to know these things. Or is there some kind of internal smoke signals that we are all unaware of? smilie

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.12.10 10:54

@Autumn wrote:

'To this day, they continue to work tirelessly on the search for their daughter, co-operating when appropriate with both the Portuguese and British authorities."

Read more: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/217298/UK-cops-developed-McCann-evidence/UK-cops-developed-McCann-evidence#ixzz1834bs6gG

Their arrogance knows no bounds - who are they to decide when it is appropriate to co-operate with the authorities?

Is selective cooperation appropriate behaviour of 'innocents' parents? No, of course not.
I am sure people read between the lines.

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.12.10 11:28

The fact the mccanns wheeled out their spokeperson to spin indicates they acknowledged this is damaging for them.
Saying it's historical doesnt deviate from the fact that this info is now in public domain, covered by nearly all papers across the country, for the first time. CM commenting it's historical does not change the meaning of the leaked contents and most importantly it's now blown opened.
Now the public are told the UK police were most likely instigator behind making them suspects. And, the mccanns spins and trashing of PJ will be seen as whipping up exnophobia and nothing else.

Wonder who will rush out to buy their book scathing the PJ. Bet they will revise chapters of their book.

Do they think their ruined reputation is also historical, is that what CM meant when he said their Arguido status is lifted.
Does the lifting clear their rotten reputation? Mud sticks...this is not helpful. In fact this leak is hurtful and the mccanns are livid.

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Post by Guest on 14.12.10 11:44


Goncalo Amaral expect Wikileaks to divulge the Satellite Images

14 December 2010 | Posted by Joana Morais Leave a Comment



The former inspector finds it strange that it's necessary for an ambassador to speak about the evidence for «some veracity to be given as to the responsibility of the parents in Madeleine's disappearance»

Gonçalo Amaral, the former Judiciary Police inspector, stated this Monday that «it is strange» that it is necessary for an ambassador to speak about the evidence «for some veracity to be given as to the responsibility of the parents in Madeleine's disappearance» and that he looks forward for Wikileaks to divulge the satellite imagery, reports Lusa [Portuguese news agency].

«I accompanied the investigation, I know what is there and I know what still needs to be done, and I also know there's responsibility in the disappearance, I have no doubts about that», said Gonçalo Amaral, the former coordinator of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, in Praia da Luz, Algarve, on May 2007.

The author of the book 'Maddie - The Truth of the Lie' spoke to the news agency Lusa, after the WikiLeaks site revealed a confidential cable from the British ambassador in Lisbon, of 2007, admitting to his U.S. counterpart in the Portuguese capital, that it was the British police that had found evidence against Madeleine's parents.

However, Gonçalo Amaral insists that «it was not the British police who had arrived at those conclusions». «I do not know what evidence are those that the British ambassador was referring to when he spoke with the U.S. ambassador. Now that there are strong indications as to the responsibility of parents, there are, and they were gathered by Portuguese police in cooperation with the British police», he assured.

Gonçalo Amaral also expects for Wikileaks to be able to get «the long awaited for satellite images».



Clarence Mitchell, the 'Drama Shark' and Dave Edgar, rent-a-cop

Meanwhile, the McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, played down these revelations, considering that the cable in question - which was also published in the British newspaper 'The Guardian' - was only an «entirely historic note».

in TVI24 - 14.12.2010


http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/12/goncalo-amaral-expects-wikileaks-to.html?utm_source=BP_recent





I always thought there were no images, weren't we told they were trained on Morocco?



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Post by aiyoyo on 14.12.10 11:55

UK government to close down Forensics Science Service.

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Post by Daoud on 14.12.10 11:56

Both the BBC and the police come out of this smelling of roses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXNJ3MZ-AUo

It must be extremely frightening for a well armed (and armoured) policeman, to be confronted by a wheel-chair bound individual (with no use of his arms) slowly rolling towards you; what would have been the fate of Rome if Hannibal had equipped himself with wheel-chairs instead of elephants?

The pathetic interviewer (whose name I don't know, nor do I care to) is, well ... pathetic. This is what the BBC has become, alas...

ETA What a courageous and intelligent man Jody McIntyre is!

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Post by tosca on 14.12.10 12:02

This incident looks very damaging however, I think the police did an excellent job dealing with a feral crowd, I cannot believe tht these 'students' are our future..pretty scary really, I would send them all to boot camp, we are too soft on vandalism and criminal damage and I also believe protests should be banned.

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Post by Guest on 14.12.10 12:02

Do I detect a whiff of encouragement from Goncalo Amaral, that there was satellite imagery available and that at the time Tanner claims she saw bundleman, there was no one around ? Now that would be a revelation !!

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Post by Guest on 14.12.10 12:04

@aiyoyo wrote:UK government to close down Forensics Science Service.

Really, when? who?, is this the new Government's decision?

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Post by Daoud on 14.12.10 12:08

@tosca wrote:This incident looks very damaging however, I think the police did an excellent job dealing with a feral crowd, I cannot believe tht these 'students' are our future..pretty scary really, I would send them all to boot camp, we are too soft on vandalism and criminal damage and I also believe protests should be banned.

Tosca - you are so funny!
Feral crowd wow! These students aren't going to be 'our' future, because they probably won't be able to remain students - some quirky thing about fees being tripled. In the UK we don't (as far as I know) have 'boot camps' - perhaps you're a Yank? And I love your take on 'vandalism and criminal damage' - quite right! Bugger the people, let's protect our assets! And to top it off you'd like all protests to be banned - right on Adolph, Seig Heil!

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.12.10 12:15

@tosca wrote:This incident looks very damaging however, I think the police did an excellent job dealing with a feral crowd, I cannot believe tht these 'students' are our future..pretty scary really, I would send them all to boot camp, we are too soft on vandalism and criminal damage and I also believe protests should be banned.

I beg to differ. I think they should continue to protest until fee is reversed. Cameron ought to hang his head in shame for sucking the students blood to fund allowance for MPs secondary homes.

Education should be free in order not to discriminate against the financially poor, otherwise it should be nominal. Can you imagine the frustration of the academically able but financially poor constrained by money and deprived of further education. If they borrow where would they get the money to pay back? Before they even complete their education or get a job (and job market is so poor in this economy) they are already heavily in debt not helped by compounding interest.

Students are future for any country. If only the rich can afford University then the gap of social class divide will widen and the disparity will be a burden for the social system and country.

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.12.10 12:31

@PeterMac wrote:I don't think the UK Police have a 'position'.

I rather think the police have taken a position when they direct investigation certain direction. Without a position it's not possible to direct the investigation. Not saying the developing of evidence in certain direction will yield results supporting the position. Just saying, contrarily, they did have a 'position' meaning they reckoned the parents were involved and needed to be investigated. jmho of course.

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Post by tosca on 14.12.10 14:07

@Daoud wrote:
@tosca wrote:This incident looks very damaging however, I think the police did an excellent job dealing with a feral crowd, I cannot believe tht these 'students' are our future..pretty scary really, I would send them all to boot camp, we are too soft on vandalism and criminal damage and I also believe protests should be banned.

Tosca - you are so funny!
Feral crowd wow! These students aren't going to be 'our' future, because they probably won't be able to remain students - some quirky thing about fees being tripled. In the UK we don't (as far as I know) have 'boot camps' - perhaps you're a Yank? And I love your take on 'vandalism and criminal damage' - quite right! Bugger the people, let's protect our assets! And to top it off you'd like all protests to be banned - right on Adolph, Seig Heil!
You are clearly deluded, maybe you are a student, get real man/woman/whatever, most of these 'students' are only getting to university because the pass rate has been virtually lowered to idiot status, boot camp, yes we should open some here and throw these feral cretins in for a spell. If idiots cannot be trusted to demonstrate peacefully then yes BAN protests, now get back to your studies and try and learn something useful.

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Post by tosca on 14.12.10 14:11

@aiyoyo wrote:
@tosca wrote:This incident looks very damaging however, I think the police did an excellent job dealing with a feral crowd, I cannot believe tht these 'students' are our future..pretty scary really, I would send them all to boot camp, we are too soft on vandalism and criminal damage and I also believe protests should be banned.

I beg to differ. I think they should continue to protest until fee is reversed. Cameron ought to hang his head in shame for sucking the students blood to fund allowance for MPs secondary homes.

Education should be free in order not to discriminate against the financially poor, otherwise it should be nominal. Can you imagine the frustration of the academically able but financially poor constrained by money and deprived of further education. If they borrow where would they get the money to pay back? Before they even complete their education or get a job (and job market is so poor in this economy) they are already heavily in debt not helped by compounding interest.

Students are future for any country. If only the rich can afford University then the gap of social class divide will widen and the disparity will be a burden for the social system and country.

If you undertand what the government are doing then you will understand that the 'students' won't have to pay anything back until they are earning in excess of £21.000 and going by the behaviour of a lot of those 'students' they will probably end up earning far less!!

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Post by Guest on 14.12.10 14:20

@tosca wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@tosca wrote:This incident looks very damaging however, I think the police did an excellent job dealing with a feral crowd, I cannot believe tht these 'students' are our future..pretty scary really, I would send them all to boot camp, we are too soft on vandalism and criminal damage and I also believe protests should be banned.

I beg to differ. I think they should continue to protest until fee is reversed. Cameron ought to hang his head in shame for sucking the students blood to fund allowance for MPs secondary homes.

Education should be free in order not to discriminate against the financially poor, otherwise it should be nominal. Can you imagine the frustration of the academically able but financially poor constrained by money and deprived of further education. If they borrow where would they get the money to pay back? Before they even complete their education or get a job (and job market is so poor in this economy) they are already heavily in debt not helped by compounding interest.

Students are future for any country. If only the rich can afford University then the gap of social class divide will widen and the disparity will be a burden for the social system and country.

If you undertand what the government are doing then you will understand that the 'students' won't have to pay anything back until they are earning in excess of £21.000 and going by the behaviour of a lot of those 'students' they will probably end up earning far less!!


I notice that this thread has morphed into talking about the student protests. It has gone completely off topic. Please can we keep to the subject in the op. Please feel free to open another thread in news topics section to continue the discussion. Thanks.

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wow wow wow From Joana's site

Goncalo Amaral on Wikileaks release regarding the McCann Affair


Pedro Mourinho (P.M.) - SIC Notícias Anchor (Portuguese 24/7 News Channel)
Gonçalo Amaral (G.A.) - the former Judiciary Police inspector, coordinator of the Madeleine McCann investigation until October, 2007

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Pedro Mourinho (P.M.) - Gonçalo Amaral, former inspector of the Judiciary Police, and author of the book " The Truth of the Lie" on the Maddie Case is with us, live, on the Midnight News. A very good evening to you Dr. Gonçalo Amaral.

Gonçalo Amaral (G.A.) - Good evening.

P.M. - Is there any novelty for you in the documents now released by Wikileaks?

G.A. - No, in reality the only news is the document disclosure itself, since as for the evidence, the indicia, they are on the process. The cooperation and collaboration with the English police is public knowledge, and is on the process. The results are there, therefore there isn't anything new.

P.M. - So, for you it isn't news that it was the British police that found the evidence that have, would have incriminated Madeleine's parents?

G.A. - No, I didn't say that. It's not news as regarding to the evidence, now as to the proofs held by the British police I don't know what are they referencing to. There was a cooperation and collaboration, the evidence and indicia are in the process thus...I don't know, someone should say what the evidence are, perhaps someone from the British police should say it. All the same, it was a cooperation between the British and Portuguese police that has arrived to the proofs that are in the process.

P.M. - As someone that knows the process, as an inspector involved in the investigation, coordinator of the investigation, don't you know what evidence, specifically, the British ambassador was referring to?

G.A. - He could only be referring to the evidence and indicia that are on the process. I'm not seeing any other, if there is other evidence, it would be strange for the British police to not have revealed them at the time.

P.M. - The reference made in the last hours, Dr. Gonçalo Amaral, was in particular the evidence that had been obtained by the dogs brought from the UK, that were able to find cadaver scent in the McCann's car, could that be the evidence?

G.A. - There are several indications. The information that are on the process results in other evidence, and, therefore there is a set of evidences that are on the process, and that is probably what is being referred to. It is unfortunate that the process is archived, but, perhaps this note might enable to reopen the inquest and the resumption of the investigation until the truth is established, the material truth, the complete truth, for Justice to be made.

P.M. - How was the relationship between the British and Portuguese police forces? Was it a good relationship, or, as the British media sustained for a certain period of time, during the summer of 2007, was it a tense one and of great rivalry?

G.A. - No, it was an excellent relation, of cooperation, we often had lunch and dinner together, we had various meetings, so there was already friendship between colleagues. It was people who were involved in an investigation, there wasn't any tension as it was stated.

P.M. - Would it have been possible to go further, in gathering evidence, after what took place in September 20071, or not?

G.A. - As I said before, the investigation is an investigation that is interrupted, an investigation that needs to be concluded. I believe that it is possible to make progress, if it wasn't for lack of political will; now with political will, based on this note - which is only a note as you said, but remains an important note nevertheless between two ambassadors, from one ambassador to the US State Department, that must have the weight that it has. Hopefully now, it will also be disclosed those photos, those satellite images that we believe to be in the possession of the US authorities, that we, the Portuguese police mentioned first, and also requested, a request that was denied to us.

P.M. - In your understanding, what could those satellite images reveal?

G.A. - They can reveal who was the person that carried the child on that night on its way to the beach. According to an Irish couple statement, with an alleged 80% certainty, it was Gerald McCann himself. That could be the confirmation of that Irish couple's statement.


P.M. - And those images exist?

G.A. - We believe that, yes. In fact, the McCann couple themselves, said, a few months ago, that they also searched for them; that they don't exist, someone else later stated that they don't exist. It's possible that the site who has divulged the cable might also be able to release those images. That would be interesting.

P.M. - In your opinion, if they exist, why weren't they yet revealed?

G.A. - Well, probably because they are a secret of state somewhere... In fact, the whole investigation was a state secret in England. I remind you that there is documentation in that sense, referring that it is a state secret. We do not understand why it is considered as a state secret. In question is the disappearance, and the likely death of a child, and we still fail to understand why is that considered as state secrecy.

P.M. - You have spoken before on the «political will», do you consider that there was a connivance of the British government with the McCann couple, knowing that the London authorities, and at least we now have that certainty, were indeed aware of the evidence uncovered by the police of their own country. What I want to ask you, in your opinion, in the scope of this document, is, if we can understand a little bit better the manner in which the McCanns left the country?

G.A. - I apologize for stating the obvious, but they have left the country by airplane. And they were well received back in England. What we became increasingly aware was the political influence, of the intervention of the British prime minister at the time, Gordon Brown, of the conversations that he allegedly had we our own prime minister, in October, at the Lisbon Summit - if they indeed spoke on the subject or not, we weren't there to listen, some say they did others say they didn't; but a fact remains, and this was the result: there was a point that the British police officers working on the case had to sign a document as if they belonged to the secret services, requesting their confidentiality so they wouldn't speak about the case. Definitely something strange, not usual under other circumstances. Thus, from then on, and with other elements, that would be too lengthy for us to be here now detailing - remains no doubt that a political intervention, practically, archived the case.

P.M. - Of the British and of the Portuguese government?

G.A. - The case went to the Portuguese General Attorney's Office, who published a statement saying that they had not find any indicia in the process...something that we find very strange. I recall that on the decision made by the Appellate Court, on October 19, of this year, which lifted the banning of the book that I've authored, 'Maddie, The Truth of The Lie', suggests that with the indicia that exists in the process, the opinion of the Public Ministry to archive the case could be another if the prosecutors were different - that means that something exists there [on the process]. I have no doubts that the magistrates, the appellate judges have read the process.

P.M. - Do you believe that this document, this note now revealed by WikiLeaks, can indeed change something as to the process? You have already said during this interview that you hoped for that to happen, but do you truly believe that that it will take place?

G.A. - This matter has evolved, step by step, we cannot use this document as a flag, the knowledge of this note as a victory - let's put it in this way, it does not mean an immediate reopening of the case. However, I do believe that we are walking towards that goal, that finally the reconstitution of the facts may take place with the couple and with their friends, if they so wish, and if they are willing to return to Portugal.

P.M. - You spoke of «victory», do you believe that this will change the perception that people have about the Maddie case?

G.A. - The perception that I have, as far as the perception of people go, is that the Judiciary Police has worked, the Judiciary Police was able to reach some conclusions, important conclusions. That the process needs to go on, the investigation has to continue, and, as we have previously spoken here today, the process was archived for political reasons - that is the perception that people have.

P.M. - Gonçalo Amaral, former inspector of the Judiciary Police, author of the book 'Maddie, The Truth of The Lie' about the Madeleine McCann case, live, on this Midnight news edition, after tonight, when another confidential document was released by WikiLeaks. It's the only document that makes a reference to the Maddie case - an exchange between the British and North-American ambassadors in Lisbon, where the British ambassador has confirmed that the British government had the knowledge of the evidence that would incriminate Madeleine McCann's parents. Meanwhile, the McCann's spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, fully depreciated this revelation; contacted tonight by the News agency Lusa, he said that the cable " is something from the past, an historical document, more than three years old" and that, he added, " therefore has no actuality".

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Re: British police 'developed evidence' against McCanns - Wikileaks

Post by Guest on 14.12.10 14:51

McCanns' lawyer opposes reopening of the process


Rogério Alves, the McCann couple’s lawyer, has told TSF that there is no new data in the documents that were revealed by Wikileaks that would justify the reopening of the process.

The McCann couple’s lawyer in Portugal, Rogério Alves, has said in a statement to TSF that he opposes the reopening of the inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine in Lagos, in the Algarve, in 2007.

At stake is a telegram from the North American embassy that was revealed by Wikileaks, which indicates that it was the English police that presented the evidence that led to the McCann couple to be made arguidos.

The telegram, which is cited by British newspaper The Guardian, describes a conversation between the ambassadors of the United Kingdom and the USA in Portugal, shortly after Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos.

Nonetheless, Rogério Alves considered that these suspicions from the English authorities add nothing new to the process.

“That information is completely useless. It only contains a reference to a piece of evidence that the Public Ministry and the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) considered to be totally useless, which consisted of a couple of dogs that having barked, but being naturally unable to depose in a court room, would constitute some sort of indication against the child’s parents”, he said.

“To open the process, yes, when that contributes to finding out where the child is and what happened to her, [but] to open the process, no, when it is to review what was already seen by the PJ and by the Public Ministry, that correctly considered those indications to be absurd and inconsistent”, Rogério Alves added, justifying that “nobody in a democratic state can be taken to court based on dogs’ barking. That is absurd.”

The former PJ inspector, Gonçalo Amaral, has a different opinion. In a statement, he considered that there had been political interference in the process, and therefore he asked the Public Ministry to reopen it.

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Oh dear seems to bit of panicking going on. wow



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Re: British police 'developed evidence' against McCanns - Wikileaks

Post by Guest on 14.12.10 15:24

Thank you Candyfloss.

So it looks like the US must have conformed to the UK's instructions not to assist the Portuguese.

Hopefully these images still exist and can still be used.


Now we know why Goncalo Amaral has said the Smith sighting was important. It must have been Gerry, but I bet he was not carrying Madeleine..

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Re: British police 'developed evidence' against McCanns - Wikileaks

Post by Guest on 14.12.10 15:30

The McCann couple’s lawyer in Portugal, Rogério Alves, has said in a statement to TSF that he opposes the reopening of the inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine in Lagos, in the Algarve, in 2007.


Not very good PR for them is it.

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