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Post by Tony Bennett on Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:39 pm

Those who uploaded the BBC TV East Midlands video to YouTube committed the offence of breach of copyright in doing so, of course.

But now they are exercising their power to delete comments in support of The Madeleine Foundation and other comments which question the McCanns' abduction claim.

All such comments have been blocked by the person who illegally uploaded the BBC TV video.

I attempted to post this morning, to be greeted with this message:

"You have been blocked by the owner of this video".

Hmmm...I thought the BBC was the owner of the video!

Stealing copyright...ruthlessly banning any comment which questions the abduction theory - the behaviour of McCann supporters is revealed once again.


The links I used were these:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i5UxCQunmk

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_JuW0TFnI



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P.S. Is there any posting of the East Midlands programme by McCann-sceptics where comment is allowed?

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by Guest on Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:51 pm

You can make comments here Tony, on this you tube video that we have posted on this forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz-ERWo-3Uk&feature=player_embedded


ETA Already some nasty comments there about foundation.

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Poorer quality

Post by Tony Bennett on Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:47 pm

candyfloss wrote:You can make comments here Tony, on this you tube video that we have posted on this forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz-ERWo-3Uk&feature=player_embedded
But unfortunately that YouTube video is of much inferior quality to the ones the McCann-believers have posted on YouTube

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by pennylane on Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:22 pm

@Tony Bennett wrote:
candyfloss wrote:You can make comments here Tony, on this you tube video that we have posted on this forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz-ERWo-3Uk&feature=player_embedded
But unfortunately that YouTube video is of much inferior quality to the ones the McCann-believers have posted on YouTube

Well I have just watched the video again - and have very much warmed to it. I don't think The Madeleine Foundation will be hurt by this. Tony, Helene and Grenville, and the ladies (whose names I'm sorry I don't know) look respectable and kind, and those that spoke were eloquent and astute ..... something I feel sure the McCanns will hate. The nasty written comments seem utterly out of context after watching the video.

In addition, this video will point McCann sceptics in the direction where they can read in-depth about the major areas of concern regarding the McCanns version of events, and it re-emphases the reprehensible neglect of their three minors on that fateful holiday.... introducing the fact that Tony attempted to bring a private prosecution in this regard.... that is something I wouldn't want known if I were TM. Also, I don't think anyone believes Michael Barrymore was innocent, and so I don't see any problem with linking Tony's past work in this regard..... I don't think the McCanns would like Barrymore's name brought up along with theirs, especially since he is also free to roam - in spite of strong evidence of his involvement in Stuart Lubbock's death.

This video will not help the McCanns in any way (imo), as it will draw further attention to the holes in their story and reinforce the fact that there are many people out there who do not believe them - which is very bad PR.
Venom towards TMF will always be spouted by the same old, same old anyway ... no matter what ...

Tony and TMF, my goodness you are brave souls ... I wish I had an ounce of your courage, and may God bless you!

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by soulthief on Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:30 pm

@Tony Bennett wrote:Those who uploaded the BBC TV East Midlands video to YouTube committed the offence of breach of copyright in doing so, of course.

But now they are exercising their power to delete comments in support of The Madeleine Foundation and other comments which question the McCanns' abduction claim.

All such comments have been blocked by the person who illegally uploaded the BBC TV video.

I attempted to post this morning, to be greeted with this message:

"You have been blocked by the owner of this video".

Hmmm...I thought the BBC was the owner of the video!

Stealing copyright...ruthlessly banning any comment which questions the abduction theory - the behaviour of McCann supporters is revealed once again.


The links I used were these:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i5UxCQunmk

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_JuW0TFnI



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P.S. Is there any posting of the East Midlands programme by McCann-sceptics where comment is allowed?
Tony if someone puts a video up with your image or voice without your consent on youtube you can fill in a DMCA report and have it removed. would you like me to send the link for the DMCA report for you to fill in? you can also report for harrassment or bullying in any comments on another form.

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by aiyoyo on Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:02 am

@pennylane wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
candyfloss wrote:You can make comments here Tony, on this you tube video that we have posted on this forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz-ERWo-3Uk&feature=player_embedded
But unfortunately that YouTube video is of much inferior quality to the ones the McCann-believers have posted on YouTube

Well I have just watched the video again - and have very much warmed to it. I don't think The Madeleine Foundation will be hurt by this. Tony, Helene and Grenville, and the ladies (whose names I'm sorry I don't know) look respectable and kind, and those that spoke were eloquent and astute ..... something I feel sure the McCanns will hate. The nasty written comments seem utterly out of context after watching the video.

In addition, this video will point McCann sceptics in the direction where they can read in-depth about the major areas of concern regarding the McCanns version of events, and it re-emphases the reprehensible neglect of their three minors on that fateful holiday.... introducing the fact that Tony attempted to bring a private prosecution in this regard.... that is something I wouldn't want known if I were TM. Also, I don't think anyone believes Michael Barrymore was innocent, and so I don't see any problem with linking Tony's past work in this regard..... I don't think the McCanns would like Barrymore's name brought up along with theirs, especially since he is also free to roam - in spite of strong evidence of his involvement in Stuart Lubbock's death.

This video will not help the McCanns in any way (imo), as it will draw further attention to the holes in their story and reinforce the fact that there are many people out there who do not believe them - which is very bad PR.
Venom towards TMF will always be spouted by the same old, same old anyway ... no matter what ...

Tony and TMF, my goodness you are brave souls ... I wish I had an ounce of your courage, and may God bless you!

Inclusion of TB's past works was useful as a way to introduce the co-founder of MF as a man whose has a propensity to take on cases that address justice for real victims of crime. And, that Madeleine is another cause to work on to get justice for her. The mccanns believers can see for themselves MF is supported by assuming, down to earth, decent folks Helene and Grenville and the objective of MF transparent. So from that aspect the programme wasnt too bad for MF. Had HS run the monologue/commentary with more conviction of MF's objective it would have been better.

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by kangdang on Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:42 pm

Reported for violation of copyright and invasion of privacy. Invasion of privacy stands, a formal complaint is due to be lodged against Simon Hare and BBC East Midlands for not fulfilling written undertakings.

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by Rainbow on Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:35 pm

I gather it wasnt too good a programme then if you are trying to get it removed?

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by kangdang on Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:21 pm

@Rainbow wrote:I gather it wasnt too good a programme then if you are trying to get it removed?

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by Rainbow on Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:29 pm

@kangdang wrote:
@Rainbow wrote:I gather it wasnt too good a programme then if you are trying to get it removed?

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Just what is your problem? If you have nothing more to say than utter puerile insults when I have asked a civil question then I am sorry for you.

@ Rainbow: The comment has now been removed. Your 'civil question' however was based on a false premise. From what TB says he is not actually trying to get the vidoe removed - Admin.

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Rainbow was entirely wrong to claim that we were trying to get the BBC video removed from YouTube

Post by Tony Bennett on Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:36 pm

@Rainbow wrote:I gather it wasn't too good a programme then if you are trying to get it removed?
Pray tell me where I am 'trying to get it removed', Rainbow?

Though I suspect we disagree on many issues, I think you are basically a fair person from what I know of you on this forum. You would have to agree with me that nowhere have I indicated that I want it removed.

One of my objections however is that the BBC, in agreeing to supply us with DVDs of the broadcast (which they did today by the way), laid down very strict conditions that we could not breach copyright and could not even show it at any publicly-advertised meeting. Putting the BBC video on YouTube is a clear breach of copyright, hich presumably as a law-abiding person you would also object to?

My main objection however was that whoever uploaded this video is disabling all comments that have been hostile to his view. All that is being allowed are hostile comments by his mates against The Madeleine Foundation.

The programme itself was unfair in a number of respects which I shall set out in due course, but we have made no formal complaint about it.

In the context of the abduction of Madeleine McCann being accepted as a fact by the mainstream media (though not by the population as a whole), the BBC at least allowed us a very limited opportunity to air our views, to let people know that we exist, and to advertise our latest book. Given the litigious nature of the McCanns and the fact that we have some of the most draconian libel laws in the world, the BBC was never going to give us a free run to explain why we have such doubts about the abduction claim.

In this instance, half a loaf was better than none.

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by Rainbow on Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:42 pm

Thank you,I didnt think TB was I thought kangdang was.No probs.

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Post by Rainbow on Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:46 pm

Mr Bennett,our posts must have crossed! I wasnt under the impression you personally were trying to get it removed but rather others.Apologies if it came out wrong and yes we probably do disagree about some things but believe it or not I do support what you are trying to do for the safety of ALL Children.

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Post by Tony Bennett on Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:44 am

@Rainbow wrote:Mr Bennett, our posts must have crossed! I wasnt under the impression you personally were trying to get it removed but rather others.Apologies if it came out wrong and yes we probably do disagree about some things but believe it or not I do support what you are trying to do for the safety of ALL Children.
Actually, yes, I see you were responding to 'kangdang', so in fact there were 'crossed' posts and I mistakenly thought you were accusing me, so actually it was me that got it wrong.

You wrote: "I do support what you are trying to do for the safety of ALL children".

That's a nice comment, but I really don't do much in that direction, it does grieve me though whenever I see or hear of children being abused or neglected - and that's why I was pleased to be at the launch of safermedia (see thread in the news section) who are camapigning against the insidious effects of adult and child pornography on family life and on children in particular.

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by aiyoyo on Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:19 am

@Rainbow wrote:Thank you,I didnt think TB was I thought kangdang was.No probs.

Rainbow, no disrespect I dont understand why the need for scathing comment when you didnt understand the situation behind it, but you could have asked for the reason instead of being sarcastic.

If you think the programme was not so good, just say so, why hide behind sarcacism?

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by Rainbow on Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:45 pm

aiyoyo how was I being sarcastic? It was,believe it or not,a genuine question as I havent seen the programme,I dont have a TV and for whatever reason my computer wont play it....probably because it is nearly as old as me!! I have read comments on pro and anti sites though that makes things as clear as mud!!


ETA no disrespect felt aiyoyo....have no wish to fall out with or offend anyone

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Post by Rainbow on Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:50 pm

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Rainbow wrote:Mr Bennett, our posts must have crossed! I wasnt under the impression you personally were trying to get it removed but rather others.Apologies if it came out wrong and yes we probably do disagree about some things but believe it or not I do support what you are trying to do for the safety of ALL Children.
Actually, yes, I see you were responding to 'kangdang', so in fact there were 'crossed' posts and I mistakenly thought you were accusing me, so actually it was me that got it wrong.

You wrote: "I do support what you are trying to do for the safety of ALL children".

That's a nice comment, but I really don't do much in that direction, it does grieve me though whenever I see or hear of children being abused or neglected - and that's why I was pleased to be at the launch of safermedia (see thread in the news section) who are camapigning against the insidious effects of adult and child pornography on family life and on children in particular.


Hi Tony,yes I read that.We should all stand up and be counted when it comes to the safety and well being,both moral and physical,of our children....I wish I knew how to help or get involved....children are our future and the most precious of life's gifts.

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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:52 pm

@Rainbow wrote:aiyoyo how was I being sarcastic? It was,believe it or not,a genuine question as I havent seen the programme,I dont have a TV and for whatever reason my computer wont play it....probably because it is nearly as old as me!! I have read comments on pro and anti sites though that makes things as clear as mud!!


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Rainbow, there is a full transcript here posted by ufercoffy

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/mccann-case-f3/discussion-on-bbc-programme-re-mf-inside-out-730-pm-22-11-10-t1732-30.htm

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Post by Rainbow on Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:39 pm

Great,thank you so much candyfloss .I miss a lot with not being able to view stuff,damn computer has a coniption if I try to see anything pdf too grrrr.

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Post by Judge Mental on Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:56 pm

Rainbow

What a pleasure to see that you no longer seem to be sitting on the cold and frosty fence all the time.

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Re: Stealing copyright and blocking opposition - the BBC East Midlands film on YouTube

Post by aiyoyo on Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:00 pm

@Rainbow wrote:aiyoyo how was I being sarcastic? It was,believe it or not,a genuine question as I havent seen the programme,I dont have a TV and for whatever reason my computer wont play it....probably because it is nearly as old as me!! I have read comments on pro and anti sites though that makes things as clear as mud!!


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Rainbow wrote: I gather it wasnt too good a programme then if you are trying to get it removed?

Well it just came across that way, that's all.

You said and I quote "I gather" -- seems to me its your view after what you've seen and thus gather...

You didnt ask a question. You posited a claim, was how it came across.

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Post by Rainbow on Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:26 pm

No..gather as in assume/presume it hadnt been a good programme if kangdang was trying to remove it is all I meant.

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Post by Judge Mental on Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:51 pm

@Rainbow wrote:No..gather as in assume/presume it hadnt been a good programme if kangdang was trying to remove it is all I meant.

Leaving aside who is or who is not trying to remove this adulterated piece of filming, do you agree that it is imperative that people only see this programme in its entirety?

How else could a person judge it, if not in its original context?

This would be akin to throwing all of the Tapas 9 into jail without at least allowing some of them the chance to redeem themselves by finally answering some questions properly.

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Post by kangdang on Sat Nov 27, 2010 2:48 pm

Rainbow prides herself on taking things out of context, one only has to her in action on pFA2 to see that.

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Post by Rainbow on Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:18 pm

I have no idea as usual what you are talking about but hey ho if you think you know more about me than I do then who am I to argue.

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