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Post by Guest on 03.11.10 16:17

This is a strange one from BBC only a minute long. GM doesn't look with it at all.

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Post by aiyoyo on 03.11.10 16:21

Although they were exonerated, they have since had an uneasy relationship with detectives, whom they claim have now given up on their daughter.

Does the journalist use her common sense?

Exoneration can only happen if there had been a Court ruling.
NOthing short of that is valid...it's the mccanns interpretation for obvious reasons.

Telling people the police given up on her speaks volume! So what are they driving at?

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Post by Angelique on 03.11.10 17:47

candyfloss

From the transcript you posted:

They are asking the public to sign a petition backing their calls for a review.
"The clock keeps ticking, the calendar keeps turning. There are days when we look at each other and think God I wish it was all over… I wish Madeleine was back with us full stop. But we can't stop, no matter how tiring, no matter how many blocks are put in our way because a little girl is still missing," said Mrs McCann.

Does anyone know if Madeleine was found alive and well - that she would be returned to live with her parents. She has been made a Ward of Court so I would have thought she would be placed in the care of the Council.

Does anyone know if this is correct.

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Post by Guest on 03.11.10 18:23

This is the full 9 minute video from channel 4 news. The interviewer asks about Halligen and the dodgy detectives, and also did GM have a falling out with his brother over the fund. The first couple of seconds interesting to.

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Post by saloongirl on 03.11.10 18:43

Thank you for posting this. I don't think Gerry seems his usual cocky self and kate seems to be doing a lot of chest heaving as she did in the footage of their stateent when the aguido status was lifted. They look a bit defeated and scared in my opinion.

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Post by pennylane on 03.11.10 19:31

Thank you for posting candyfloss.


That seemed like a darn good interview to me, and the gruesome twosome got quickly fatigued by some demanding questions re the fund, Halligen, GA, etc.

It's so frustrating that we cannot hear the interviewer clearly!

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Post by kathyBelle on 03.11.10 19:57

@pennylane wrote:Thank you for posting candyfloss.


That seemed like a darn good interview to me, and the gruesome twosome got quickly fatigued by some demanding questions re the fund, Halligen, GA, etc.

It's so frustrating that we cannot hear the interviewer clearly!

Hi Pennylane, when the McCanns were talking about no authorities looking for Madeleine, I wish the interviewer had reminded them, that they were the ones who closed the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, when they demanded the files.

If I was the interviewer, I would also have asked Gerry McCann, what he finds so funny, about a discussion into the whereabouts of his missing daughter.

If I was the interviewer, I would have been tempted to wipe the smile off the vile creep's face, by giving him a slap in the "kisser". I'm not a violent person, but I could make an exception in Gerry McCann's case.

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Post by pennylane on 03.11.10 20:31

@kathyBelle wrote:
@pennylane wrote:Thank you for posting candyfloss.


That seemed like a darn good interview to me, and the gruesome twosome got quickly fatigued by some demanding questions re the fund, Halligen, GA, etc.

It's so frustrating that we cannot hear the interviewer clearly!

Hi Pennylane, when the McCanns were talking about no authorities looking for Madeleine, I wish the interviewer had reminded them, that they were the ones who closed the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, when they demanded the files.

If I was the interviewer, I would also have asked Gerry McCann, what he finds so funny, about a discussion into the whereabouts of his missing daughter.

If I was the interviewer, I would have been tempted to wipe the smile off the vile creep's face, by giving him a slap in the "kisser". I'm not a violent person, but I could make an exception in Gerry McCann's case.


Hi KathyB,

I was feeling a tad jubilant that Gerry was getting fidgety and breathless after a couple of those questions ..... and I have to admire a UK reporter that isn't completely sucking up to them...... though you are absolutely right, there are a few simple questions that would wipe the smugness away forever, and nobody seems willing to ask them.

I am not a violent person either, but I admit I have actually slapped my TV screen a few times when they've been on, and used some shocking language that I didn't know was a part of my vocabulary!

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Post by Guest on 03.11.10 20:32

Good piece on Channel 4 news tonight. The interviewer (Darshna Soni) asked some good questions re the fund, Halligen etc. about the fund, and where the money had gone. Then they showed a piece where Channel 4 said they had been investigating the fund, quoting where some of the money had gone, again mentioning thousands going to Halligen. So it seems someone has been doing some digging.


It seems people are tweeting Darshna

@justice4maddie Thank you for your feedback, always appreciated. There are obvious legal limitations to what we can say. #c4news 17 minutes ago via web in reply to justice4maddie


@darshnasoni Thank you for your answer,I just wished you had delved just a tad deeper, you had them both rattled #McCann

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Post by pennylane on 03.11.10 20:38

candyfloss wrote:Good piece on Channel 4 news tonight. The interviewer (Darshna Soni) asked some good questions re the fund, Halligen etc. about the fund, and where the money had gone. Then they showed a piece where Channel 4 said they had been investigating the fund, quoting where some of the money had gone, again mentioning thousands going to Halligen. So it seems someone has been doing some digging.


It seems people are tweeting Darshna

@justice4maddie Thank you for your feedback, always appreciated. There are obvious legal limitations to what we can say. #c4news 17 minutes ago via web in reply to justice4maddie


@darshnasoni Thank you for your answer,I just wished you had delved just a tad deeper, you had them both rattled #McCann

In other words she would have wiped the floor with them if she could!

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Post by kathyBelle on 03.11.10 20:57

@pennylane wrote:
@kathyBelle wrote:
@pennylane wrote:Thank you for posting candyfloss.


That seemed like a darn good interview to me, and the gruesome twosome got quickly fatigued by some demanding questions re the fund, Halligen, GA, etc.

It's so frustrating that we cannot hear the interviewer clearly!

Hi Pennylane, when the McCanns were talking about no authorities looking for Madeleine, I wish the interviewer had reminded them, that they were the ones who closed the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, when they demanded the files.

If I was the interviewer, I would also have asked Gerry McCann, what he finds so funny, about a discussion into the whereabouts of his missing daughter.

If I was the interviewer, I would have been tempted to wipe the smile off the vile creep's face, by giving him a slap in the "kisser". I'm not a violent person, but I could make an exception in Gerry McCann's case.


Hi KathyB,

I was feeling a tad jubilant that Gerry was getting fidgety and breathless after a couple of those questions ..... and I have to admire a UK reporter that isn't completely sucking up to them...... though you are absolutely right, there are a few simple questions that would wipe the smugness away forever, and nobody seems willing to ask them.

I am not a violent person either, but I admit I have actually slapped my TV screen a few times when they've been on, and used some shocking language that I didn't know was a part of my vocabulary!

Penny lane, I can't get my head round the fact that, the McCanns are still walking free and calling the shots, when they should be behind bars. The British media aren't backward in coming forward, when they interview certain people, but where the McCanns are concerned, they treat them with kid gloves. Although I do accept the interviewer on Channel 4, did ask them some uncomfortable questions and well done to her.

I'm hoping that Goncalo Amaral is working hard behind the scenes in his quest to get the case down from the shelf, dusted and the McCanns brought to justice. I know I appear to be selfish in what I am saying, but I feel that if Dr Amaral, succeeds in his quest, he will feel a lot better in himself. The McCanns have put a lot of strain on Dr Amaral and his family and they will continue behaving this way, until they are stopped.

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Post by pennylane on 03.11.10 22:05

@kathyBelle wrote:
@pennylane wrote:
@kathyBelle wrote:
@pennylane wrote:Thank you for posting candyfloss.


That seemed like a darn good interview to me, and the gruesome twosome got quickly fatigued by some demanding questions re the fund, Halligen, GA, etc.

It's so frustrating that we cannot hear the interviewer clearly!

Hi Pennylane, when the McCanns were talking about no authorities looking for Madeleine, I wish the interviewer had reminded them, that they were the ones who closed the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, when they demanded the files.

If I was the interviewer, I would also have asked Gerry McCann, what he finds so funny, about a discussion into the whereabouts of his missing daughter.

If I was the interviewer, I would have been tempted to wipe the smile off the vile creep's face, by giving him a slap in the "kisser". I'm not a violent person, but I could make an exception in Gerry McCann's case.


Hi KathyB,

I was feeling a tad jubilant that Gerry was getting fidgety and breathless after a couple of those questions ..... and I have to admire a UK reporter that isn't completely sucking up to them...... though you are absolutely right, there are a few simple questions that would wipe the smugness away forever, and nobody seems willing to ask them.

I am not a violent person either, but I admit I have actually slapped my TV screen a few times when they've been on, and used some shocking language that I didn't know was a part of my vocabulary!

Penny lane, I can't get my head round the fact that, the McCanns are still walking free and calling the shots, when they should be behind bars. The British media aren't backward in coming forward, when they interview certain people, but where the McCanns are concerned, they treat them with kid gloves. Although I do accept the interviewer on Channel 4, did ask them some uncomfortable questions and well done to her.

I'm hoping that Goncalo Amaral is working hard behind the scenes in his quest to get the case down from the shelf, dusted and the McCanns brought to justice. I know I appear to be selfish in what I am saying, but I feel that if Dr Amaral, succeeds in his quest, he will feel a lot better in himself. The McCanns have put a lot of strain on Dr Amaral and his family and they will continue behaving this way, until they are stopped.



KathyB, I think the Channel 4 interview is very significant in that it is a major sign of things to come.

The McCanns have had a very bad year indeed, but this final decision by the 3 wise judges to overturn the book ban was the final nail in their coffin. Their main protectors are all history, and they are the most vulnerable they have ever been - both legally and financially. They cannot hurt Dr Amaral any more and they know it! You can see the fear etched in their faces as they desperately try to amass their last bucket of gold before their abduction façade comes tumbling down around their ears.

Actually, I'm feeling beaucoup optimistic these days!

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Post by littlepixie on 03.11.10 22:44

If all the BS today was based solely on the fact that Halligen was supposed to be in Court this morning then IMO they are terrified of what he might say.
The pair of them almost fainted with the C4 interviewer alluded to him.

Wonder what tomorrow will bring

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Post by Angelique on 03.11.10 23:10

@littlepixie wrote:If all the BS today was based solely on the fact that Halligen was supposed to be in Court this morning then IMO they are terrified of what he might say.
The pair of them almost fainted with the C4 interviewer alluded to him.

Wonder what tomorrow will bring

hi littlepixie

I too think they almost lost it at that point. But the sound is not very good - you can't hear what is being asked.
I hope it all does fall apart with the Halligen case and I hope the truth will finally be exposed.

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Post by Guest on 03.11.10 23:16

@littlepixie wrote:If all the BS today was based solely on the fact that Halligen was supposed to be in Court this morning then IMO they are terrified of what he might say.
The pair of them almost fainted with the C4 interviewer alluded to him.

Wonder what tomorrow will bring


I thought GM was going to shuffle off his chair when Mr. Amaral was mentioned. What about the bit when he went to fiddle with his ear, suddenly realised what he was doing and changed his mind. His hand sort of went all limp on his face

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Post by Cherry on 03.11.10 23:56

I think he must have been reading forums where people are saying his body language is giving the game away and indicating he is not telling the truth, so he goes to fiddle and then remembers he is not supposed to be doing that so he tries to stop himself. He must be under so much pressure - serves him right.

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Post by aiyoyo on 04.11.10 0:39

"The clock keeps ticking, the calendar keeps turning. There are days when we look at each other and think God I wish it was all over… I wish Madeleine was back with us full stop.

Those are very unnatural statements from parents of missing child.



So I dont understand this bit "and think God I wish it was all over........"

A missing chid is a long haul uncertainty and wait...and coming onto TV to bleat wont find her, that's the job of police. If they want answers going to PDL and knock on the door of police would have been more effective way of finding out about Maddie ..

So that statement was about Maddie but about THEMSELVES as usual. It's their inner fear .......it as if their fear of being caught has not abated and they wish if the truth exposed and over quickly.......the hanging in there no knowing when they're going to be exposed and apprehended must be frightening and hell to live with.

I would say the ban overturned rattled them and they are worried libel trial will turn into a real trial for them....

All the pre-empt on TV is about them, some strategies they are playing though I cant figure out what...
...the question is what rattled them so much that they were so brass neck to come on with the bullocks after they'd suffered hugh set back with directors resignation and injunction overturned

You've only got to read between the lines to know the interviewer hadnt asked those questions innocent of the fact behind it...like dodgy PI, low fund/change of directors, book back on shelves...those were leading questions...but of course there is limitation as to what the interviewer can say bearing legal implication in mind.

Their body language is certainly interesting...embodied fear, not fear for Maddie, but themselves...nothing about them is natural, not their speech, their emotion and definitely not body language.

They display was a contrived and all this pretendy pained expression was all about fear for themselves.
what I dont understand is what motivate them to continue to come on national tv and continue the charade...what's their point?
Media exposure is not going to find Maddie...not 3-1/2 years down the road anyway...they are intelligent people so should know better...finding a child is police's work and not the media.

The psychology of those two will make interest topic for psychology students..

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Post by kathyBelle on 04.11.10 0:44

@aiyoyo wrote:
"The clock keeps ticking, the calendar keeps turning. There are days when we look at each other and think God I wish it was all over… I wish Madeleine was back with us full stop.

Those are very unnatural statements from parents of missing child.



So I dont understand this bit "and think God I wish it was all over........"

A missing chid is a long haul uncertainty and wait...and coming onto TV to bleat wont find her, that's the job of police. If they want answers going to PDL and knock on the door of police would have been more effective way of finding out about Maddie ..

So that statement was about Maddie but about THEMSELVES as usual. It's their inner fear .......it as if their fear of being caught has not abated and they wish if the truth exposed and over quickly.......the hanging in there no knowing when they're going to be exposed and apprehended must be frightening and hell to live with.

I would say the ban overturned rattled them and they are worried libel trial will turn into a real trial for them....

All the pre-empt on TV is about them, some strategies they are playing though I cant figure out what...
...the question is what rattled them so much that they were so brass neck to come on with the bullocks after they'd suffered hugh set back with directors resignation and injunction overturned

You've only got to read between the lines to know the interviewer hadnt asked those questions innocent of the fact behind it...like dodgy PI, low fund/change of directors, book back on shelves...those were leading questions...but of course there is limitation as to what the interviewer can say bearing legal implication in mind.

Their body language is certainly interesting...embodied fear, not fear for Maddie, but themselves...nothing about them is natural, not their speech, their emotion and definitely not body language.

They display was a contrived and all this pretendy pained expression was all about fear for themselves.
what I dont understand is what motivate them to continue to come on national tv and continue the charade...what's their point?
Media exposure is not going to find Maddie...not 3-1/2 years down the road anyway...they are intelligent people so should know better...finding a child is police's work and not the media.

The psychology of those two will make interest topic for psychology students..

aiyoyo and well said.

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Post by Angelique on 04.11.10 15:19

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"The clock keeps ticking, the calendar keeps turning. There are days when we look at each other and think God I wish it was all over… I wish Madeleine was back with us full stop.


Good point to raise - I think the statement by Kate was a slip - I think she was referring to the charade that they are playing out not that she wants Madeleine back home. She must know that Madeleine was made a Ward of Court - she will not get Madeleine back home - even if she is alive.

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Post by kathyBelle on 04.11.10 15:44

@Angelique wrote:kathybelle

"The clock keeps ticking, the calendar keeps turning. There are days when we look at each other and think God I wish it was all over… I wish Madeleine was back with us full stop.


Good point to raise - I think the statement by Kate was a slip - I think she was referring to the charade that they are playing out not that she wants Madeleine back home. She must know that Madeleine was made a Ward of Court - she will not get Madeleine back home - even if she is alive.

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Angelique and well said. If Madeleine is alive and living with people who have loved and cared for her for the past 3½ yrs, she is not going to want to return to the McCanns, if her Ward of Court status is lifted.

Madeleine, may not remember exactly what happened on that so called family holiday, but if she is told she has to leave the people who have been her guardians for longer than her parents, she will ask why she has to leave them. Once she is told, she will be horrified that her parents treated her so appallingly. She is 7½ now and her wishes should be taken into consideration.

The McCanns should have no say at all in Madeleine's future, if she is found alive. They gave up their rights, when they neglected to take proper care of Madeleine, on the night she disappeared and used money that was raised to find her, to assist their finances and the finances of their wider family.

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Post by Cherry on 04.11.10 18:52

From what I can see the whole point of the latest charade is as ever - money.

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Post by Judge Mental on 04.11.10 22:05

What did Amaral say about the Fund, were the McCanns to acknowledge that Madeleine is dead?

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Post by aiyoyo on 05.11.10 1:55

@Angelique wrote:kathybelle

"The clock keeps ticking, the calendar keeps turning. There are days when we look at each other and think God I wish it was all over… I wish Madeleine was back with us full stop.


Good point to raise - I think the statement by Kate was a slip - I think she was referring to the charade that they are playing out not that she wants Madeleine back home. She must know that Madeleine was made a Ward of Court - she will not get Madeleine back home - even if she is alive.

Angelique

Making Maddie a WOC was only to get their hands on investigators files, like just this petition I suspect is to get their hands on files before the libel trial.

They will need new strategies if they were to stand a chance in the defamation trial because their lawyer, Isabel Duarte, have no more cards to lay out. All shown and nothing left to make a new entry. Based on her old fundamentations the three judges had tackled all her points thoroughly leaving no doubt in anyone's mind what the judges thought of their contentious issues.

Seriously, where do people think they are taking the Petition to? HO or PT Judiciary? Will they get anywhere with the HO now when they hadnt in the past! As for Lisbon, if they dare take it there the case will be reopened not reviewed. I suspect they heard about immiment reopening from their lawyer and are doing this to make it appear they called for it.

There's speculation Amaral is trying to get the case reopened...maybe by making himself assistant or something. The impression that came across is Amaral is woking on that.

I dont believe for a moment the mccanns seriously want a full review in the true sense.
Whatever motivated the petition signing isnt about that.....they always have a wider agenda didnt they?
So let's wait and see what they will do with the petition - no doubt the true reason will be revealed in due course. Dont forget this pair of lying dont do things without reason.

Dont forget they had said nothing about the 'ban overturned'.
Not a word from Pinkie either on that.
Total and complete silence on that issue - makes a welcome change they're not gloating about anything on TV.

Honestly, the sycopantic press may not be such a bad thing either. If they are sitting on dirt on the mccanns, being cautious now is probably being prudent from a bigger picture viewpoint.
The worst thing that can happen is for press/media negativity about them to jeopardise future trial, not forgetting of course press are also mindful of possible libel from mccanns. There's always a right time to do the right time.

Press is a double edge sword, when the tide turns, equally they will be slayed by the mass media machinery they made used of. I have no doubt about that, if for nothing else, then sensationalisation sells.

The way I see it.....their charade has gone on long enough and money dwindling, defamation's coming up.
There are only two options...keep up the charade but that needs money, not much chance of that.
Or,slither away and hide in their hole and hope no one notices the libel trial.
They're preparing the ground for exit so well that it will look as if they'd tried their damnest with this latest petition thingie.

Either way, this petition is a precusor for something that will happen. Let's see what pens out.

They can't withdraw from the scene in dignity (not that they have any, that is long gone) not even for appearance sake, no matter what, now that they'd unleashed the unfathomable by setting in motion the defamation suit.

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Post by Shibboleth on 05.11.10 9:12

I believe that Dr Amaral said something to the effect that if the McCanns admitted that their daugter was dead, then there would be no more fund.

There is also a counter-petition on the go as well, asking for a re-opening of the case, not a review. It has already been trolled by some pro people who clearly don't want the case to be re-opened. I cannot imagine why, doesn't everybody want what is best for Madeleine?

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/reopen_not_review/signatures

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