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How Much Money Should Amaral Sue The McCanns For?
Judge Mental on Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:26 am
Amaral has spent three and a half years being taunted by the Tapas 9 and the machine which surrounds them. He has been villified by the British media acting on press releases devoid of any credibility. He resigned from the job he loved and the position he had worked to achieve.
What amount of money would you consider to be a fair amount with which to compensate this man and his family for the defamation, libel, stress, harrassment and loss of income etc.
How much should he sue the press for?
How much should he seek from the BBC for the allegation that he had said, ''Fuck the McCanns.'' when he clearly did not?
Do Leicester police owe Amaral a public apology and compensation for withholding evidence?
Most importantly, how much should he sue the McCanns for?
What amount of money would you consider to be a fair amount with which to compensate this man and his family for the defamation, libel, stress, harrassment and loss of income etc.
How much should he sue the press for?
How much should he seek from the BBC for the allegation that he had said, ''Fuck the McCanns.'' when he clearly did not?
Do Leicester police owe Amaral a public apology and compensation for withholding evidence?
Most importantly, how much should he sue the McCanns for?
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Re: How Much Money Should Amaral Sue The McCanns For?
aiyoyo on Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:14 am
For every penny they've got now plus every penny they'll get in future in terms of earnings and pensions.
Literally everything right down to the shirt off their backs, because that was what they wanted off him wasnt it?
They'd wanted him and wife to spilt assets so that they could get their hands on it.
The laughable thing is there are 5 plaintiffs named on the litigation, but legally and feasibily Amaral can only countersue 2 of them being the adults, as its pointless and senseless to claim from young children, yet those children's names were allowed to be entered in the litigation suit.
Alternatively Amaral should look at loss of earnings and pensions from premature retirement, loss of earnings from sales of book, compensation for mental stress and compensation for defamation. The first two probably can be computed out but the latter two are immeasurable values in terms of the mental stress and by connection health stress to him &family so really any figure within the mccanns means should be named.
Even if they were to sell their house it would no way be enough to compensate Amaral for the way they smeared his reputation, bayed for blood and wanted their pound of his flesh.
He should reciprocate in equal measures - 'an eye for an eye' -- can't be any fairer than that!
I suppose the final consolation would be if they were strike off the medical register so that no one should be subjected to treatment from children neglectors.
As for the press, the sky is the limit, depending on how badly they bashed him.
He should seek compensation in equal measures as they dozed out.
The heavier the baton the heavier the compensation is only fair and square.
Literally everything right down to the shirt off their backs, because that was what they wanted off him wasnt it?
They'd wanted him and wife to spilt assets so that they could get their hands on it.
The laughable thing is there are 5 plaintiffs named on the litigation, but legally and feasibily Amaral can only countersue 2 of them being the adults, as its pointless and senseless to claim from young children, yet those children's names were allowed to be entered in the litigation suit.
Alternatively Amaral should look at loss of earnings and pensions from premature retirement, loss of earnings from sales of book, compensation for mental stress and compensation for defamation. The first two probably can be computed out but the latter two are immeasurable values in terms of the mental stress and by connection health stress to him &family so really any figure within the mccanns means should be named.
Even if they were to sell their house it would no way be enough to compensate Amaral for the way they smeared his reputation, bayed for blood and wanted their pound of his flesh.
He should reciprocate in equal measures - 'an eye for an eye' -- can't be any fairer than that!
I suppose the final consolation would be if they were strike off the medical register so that no one should be subjected to treatment from children neglectors.
As for the press, the sky is the limit, depending on how badly they bashed him.
He should seek compensation in equal measures as they dozed out.
The heavier the baton the heavier the compensation is only fair and square.
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Re: How Much Money Should Amaral Sue The McCanns For?
Judge Mental on Sun Oct 24, 2010 9:09 am
And were Kate McCann ever to don a bathing costume, as suggested by one their mentors in the past, would it be fair to say that any monies gleaned from such a monstrous exercise would also be deemed sauce for the gander?
Not that we would be expecting much more than ten guineas of course
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Re: How Much Money Should Amaral Sue The McCanns For?
ufercoffy on Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:04 am
Bitter Sweet Victory…
October 24, 2010 — Bren
This week brought us the news that the “Truth of the Lie” book written by Goncalo Amaral about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann can be returned to the shelves and can be sold again along with the documentary made.
Yes this is a victory for “free speech” and a victory for Goncalo Amaral who has suffered tremendously at the hands of the McCanns, their friends, their family. He has been vilified, had his assets frozen, been through stress I doubt many of us will ever have to endure, and finally he can clear his name. He can tell his story.
News is gradually reaching the forums and blogs that apart from the temporary injunction being overturned the McCanns are going to have to pay for “all the costs” of the injunction and appeals. Some will say that is poetic justice within itself, but the two people that will suffer are not the McCanns, it will be the twins, unless someone steps in and picks up the tab.
Yes the McCanns did not have to pursue this in court, it was their choice, but it was done in the name of the twins and they will be the ones later in life that will read all about it. The twins, apart from having to come to terms with losing their sister, they could now be forced to lose the only other security they have known, their home.
Yes many will say, but the McCanns did not care when they used other people’s children and exposed them to the media, the McCanns did not care which missing child case they got their names attached to. But the point is this, does that give us, as a human race, the right to make their children fair game because of what they did to other children?
Put it this way, just because you could be the victim of a burglar does that give you the licence to burgle their home? How can we be advocates of child protection when we are prepared to exclude two children from protection because of the actions of their parents? Just because the actions of their parents put other children at risk and in the limelight and other families facing press intrusion, I feel personally that that does not give me the right to do the same to Sean and Amelie. Just because their parents paraded them in front of the media to suit their cause, does not make them fair game, in my eyes.
As for what happens to the McCanns I don’t care, but the twins are innocent, even though their parents dragged them into this, they don’t deserve to suffer. Just because the McCanns did not care what happened to Goncalo Amaral, his wife or his children, I do hope that his desire for vengeance for being wronged does not outweigh his principles and morals.
Nobody could blame him if he took them to the cleaners, because they did not care what his family had to endure, when they thought they were on the winning end, but I just hope that his desire for the truth will be his greatest asset rather than the financial assets he could receive. No amount of money will ever take away the pain and grief him or his family have had to endure, but one thing the McCanns could do and I would love him to ask for, and that is for a public apology in the form of a press conference in the UK. That is poetic justice to watch the McCanns have to admit they were wrong to do what they did and for them to have to say sorry.
But what about this little girl, has justice been served? Because from where I am sitting nobody is facing the proper courts over what happened to her. Her parents are not having to face courts for putting her in harms way. Because no matter how you look on this, they were ultimately responsible for Madeleine safety and their actions had played a contributory factor into the fate that bestowed her. They were the ones that walked out of that apartment and left her to defend herself.
So where is her justice today? All the books, all the TV appearances, all the film rights in the world will not bring the person/persons responsible for harming Madeleine to a Court to face a Judge/Jury and pay their debt to society for harming an innocent child should they be found guilty. The only thing we know with certainty is that Madeleine did not harm herself, someone harmed her and someone is walking around today a free person. And that is wrong. The case should be re-opened, the whole investigation started from scratch and the parents, their friends and their family should be re-interviewed, that is the only way for justice in this case to be brought, not through suing, counter suing and whatever else people decide to do. Madeleine needs justice, not in a civil court but in a criminal court……because someone committed a crime on May 3rd 2007.
So yes it is a bitter sweet victory, because we are still no closer today to finding out what happened to Madeleine Beth McCann than we were 3 years ago and no closer to finding the person who harmed her and where she is today. If as the Police and many suspect, she is no longer alive, that poor child has not even been laid to rest with the dignity and respect she so deserves.
http://headlines-today.co.uk/2010/10/24/bitter-sweet-victory/#more-13537
October 24, 2010 — Bren
This week brought us the news that the “Truth of the Lie” book written by Goncalo Amaral about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann can be returned to the shelves and can be sold again along with the documentary made.
Yes this is a victory for “free speech” and a victory for Goncalo Amaral who has suffered tremendously at the hands of the McCanns, their friends, their family. He has been vilified, had his assets frozen, been through stress I doubt many of us will ever have to endure, and finally he can clear his name. He can tell his story.
News is gradually reaching the forums and blogs that apart from the temporary injunction being overturned the McCanns are going to have to pay for “all the costs” of the injunction and appeals. Some will say that is poetic justice within itself, but the two people that will suffer are not the McCanns, it will be the twins, unless someone steps in and picks up the tab.
Yes the McCanns did not have to pursue this in court, it was their choice, but it was done in the name of the twins and they will be the ones later in life that will read all about it. The twins, apart from having to come to terms with losing their sister, they could now be forced to lose the only other security they have known, their home.
Yes many will say, but the McCanns did not care when they used other people’s children and exposed them to the media, the McCanns did not care which missing child case they got their names attached to. But the point is this, does that give us, as a human race, the right to make their children fair game because of what they did to other children?
Put it this way, just because you could be the victim of a burglar does that give you the licence to burgle their home? How can we be advocates of child protection when we are prepared to exclude two children from protection because of the actions of their parents? Just because the actions of their parents put other children at risk and in the limelight and other families facing press intrusion, I feel personally that that does not give me the right to do the same to Sean and Amelie. Just because their parents paraded them in front of the media to suit their cause, does not make them fair game, in my eyes.
As for what happens to the McCanns I don’t care, but the twins are innocent, even though their parents dragged them into this, they don’t deserve to suffer. Just because the McCanns did not care what happened to Goncalo Amaral, his wife or his children, I do hope that his desire for vengeance for being wronged does not outweigh his principles and morals.
Nobody could blame him if he took them to the cleaners, because they did not care what his family had to endure, when they thought they were on the winning end, but I just hope that his desire for the truth will be his greatest asset rather than the financial assets he could receive. No amount of money will ever take away the pain and grief him or his family have had to endure, but one thing the McCanns could do and I would love him to ask for, and that is for a public apology in the form of a press conference in the UK. That is poetic justice to watch the McCanns have to admit they were wrong to do what they did and for them to have to say sorry.
But what about this little girl, has justice been served? Because from where I am sitting nobody is facing the proper courts over what happened to her. Her parents are not having to face courts for putting her in harms way. Because no matter how you look on this, they were ultimately responsible for Madeleine safety and their actions had played a contributory factor into the fate that bestowed her. They were the ones that walked out of that apartment and left her to defend herself.
So where is her justice today? All the books, all the TV appearances, all the film rights in the world will not bring the person/persons responsible for harming Madeleine to a Court to face a Judge/Jury and pay their debt to society for harming an innocent child should they be found guilty. The only thing we know with certainty is that Madeleine did not harm herself, someone harmed her and someone is walking around today a free person. And that is wrong. The case should be re-opened, the whole investigation started from scratch and the parents, their friends and their family should be re-interviewed, that is the only way for justice in this case to be brought, not through suing, counter suing and whatever else people decide to do. Madeleine needs justice, not in a civil court but in a criminal court……because someone committed a crime on May 3rd 2007.
So yes it is a bitter sweet victory, because we are still no closer today to finding out what happened to Madeleine Beth McCann than we were 3 years ago and no closer to finding the person who harmed her and where she is today. If as the Police and many suspect, she is no longer alive, that poor child has not even been laid to rest with the dignity and respect she so deserves.
http://headlines-today.co.uk/2010/10/24/bitter-sweet-victory/#more-13537
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Re: How Much Money Should Amaral Sue The McCanns For?
littlepixie on Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:13 am
I don't think anyone is making the twins fair game, I know I'm certainly not. If Mr Amaral sues the McCanns it is unlikely they will be forced to sell their house it doesnt work like that in the UK.
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Re: How Much Money Should Amaral Sue The McCanns For?
candyfloss on Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:20 am
I think the question should be "Should Mr. Amaral sue the McCanns?"
In reality of course he should sue, he has lost earnings, through sales of his book, and being forced to retire early from the job he loved, he and his family have gone through immense stress, and has been vilified by the press. Any human being going through that would want recompense and justice. I certainly wouldn't blame them.
However, just looking at this another way, will the eye for and eye stretegy not backfire? Can you imagine the headlines in this country and elsewhere if he does? Can you imagine the pink spin being given all around the world, which we know is the only version that gets printed. I can just see the headlines "Maddie cop leaves the McCanns penniless". Does it matter, you will probably say, he is already been made to look the bungling disgraced cop etc. But doing this now, will imo only make the press attack him more, and we know many many people believe what they read in the press. It is a natural and human reaction to want to retaliate when you have been hurt. But Mr Amaral is a calm and measured man, does he really want to get embroiled in such a battle. Money isn't everything, health and happinness is. He already has the book ban overturned, and they will without doubt sell like hot cakes, when extra chapters are added, and if it is sold here in the UK. So you could say the banning of this book, may in fact have done him some good in that respect. The book before the ban had been out a long time and had reached peak sales and was probably going to stop selling eventualy. Now with a couple of extra chapters it will re-invigorate it, and it will sell loads more copies. He will go on to add more books I'm sure and make a good living. He is already a celebrity as such in this case, his name is well known, and he will now be able to go ahead and do more interviews etc.
A great injustice has been done to him, but sometimes retaliation is not the best way it can sometimes bring more problems and stress. After all he might not even win such a case. That in itself would make things a whole lot worse imo.
I always look at these things logically and calmly, and try to see how a scenario could pan out, and imo this scenario could go either way for him, and is it worth it? Let's face it the way things have been in the past with this case, he may not even win, and then he would be faced with costs etc never mind all the bad press.
If this case eventually comes to trial, and someone is charged in respect to the disappearance of Madeleine, then I think would be the time for Mr. Amaral to take action, and not before.
I will say one further thing, all the screaming, take the McCanns for everything they are worth is all well and good, and yes they tried to do that to Mr Amaral. It's a normal reaction when you are annoyed and angry. But let's not forget one thing, there are two small children involved here as well, they have done nothing to warrant this and do we really want them out on the street. My first reaction to this news about him suing was exactly the same, but on thinking about it, it may be fraught with danger? Sometimes knee jerk reactions are not the best, and need thinking about carefully.
Just another way of looking at it. I'll go and put my tin hat on now......................
In reality of course he should sue, he has lost earnings, through sales of his book, and being forced to retire early from the job he loved, he and his family have gone through immense stress, and has been vilified by the press. Any human being going through that would want recompense and justice. I certainly wouldn't blame them.
However, just looking at this another way, will the eye for and eye stretegy not backfire? Can you imagine the headlines in this country and elsewhere if he does? Can you imagine the pink spin being given all around the world, which we know is the only version that gets printed. I can just see the headlines "Maddie cop leaves the McCanns penniless". Does it matter, you will probably say, he is already been made to look the bungling disgraced cop etc. But doing this now, will imo only make the press attack him more, and we know many many people believe what they read in the press. It is a natural and human reaction to want to retaliate when you have been hurt. But Mr Amaral is a calm and measured man, does he really want to get embroiled in such a battle. Money isn't everything, health and happinness is. He already has the book ban overturned, and they will without doubt sell like hot cakes, when extra chapters are added, and if it is sold here in the UK. So you could say the banning of this book, may in fact have done him some good in that respect. The book before the ban had been out a long time and had reached peak sales and was probably going to stop selling eventualy. Now with a couple of extra chapters it will re-invigorate it, and it will sell loads more copies. He will go on to add more books I'm sure and make a good living. He is already a celebrity as such in this case, his name is well known, and he will now be able to go ahead and do more interviews etc.
A great injustice has been done to him, but sometimes retaliation is not the best way it can sometimes bring more problems and stress. After all he might not even win such a case. That in itself would make things a whole lot worse imo.
I always look at these things logically and calmly, and try to see how a scenario could pan out, and imo this scenario could go either way for him, and is it worth it? Let's face it the way things have been in the past with this case, he may not even win, and then he would be faced with costs etc never mind all the bad press.
If this case eventually comes to trial, and someone is charged in respect to the disappearance of Madeleine, then I think would be the time for Mr. Amaral to take action, and not before.
I will say one further thing, all the screaming, take the McCanns for everything they are worth is all well and good, and yes they tried to do that to Mr Amaral. It's a normal reaction when you are annoyed and angry. But let's not forget one thing, there are two small children involved here as well, they have done nothing to warrant this and do we really want them out on the street. My first reaction to this news about him suing was exactly the same, but on thinking about it, it may be fraught with danger? Sometimes knee jerk reactions are not the best, and need thinking about carefully.
Just another way of looking at it. I'll go and put my tin hat on now......................
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Re: How Much Money Should Amaral Sue The McCanns For?
mystique on Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:14 pm
Hello to everyone.
Going back through your comments i must admit i read that what Mr Amaral said was "F**k the McCanns." However i have translated it and it ftands for force the McCanns, totally different to what others were saying.
As for Mr Amaral sueing the McCanns, can you counter sue? I am not up to speed on those issues so maybe someone can help out on those issues. I certainly would not like anyone to lose their houses because of what was wrote but if you spread lies and falsehoods you should receive some punishment.
Nobody knows what happened to little Madeleine except the one or the ones that did it, they know the real truth of what happened to her.
Going back through your comments i must admit i read that what Mr Amaral said was "F**k the McCanns." However i have translated it and it ftands for force the McCanns, totally different to what others were saying.
As for Mr Amaral sueing the McCanns, can you counter sue? I am not up to speed on those issues so maybe someone can help out on those issues. I certainly would not like anyone to lose their houses because of what was wrote but if you spread lies and falsehoods you should receive some punishment.
Nobody knows what happened to little Madeleine except the one or the ones that did it, they know the real truth of what happened to her.
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Re: How Much Money Should Amaral Sue The McCanns For?
Shibboleth on Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:15 pm
I agree with Candyfloss. He should sue, but only for an apology and costs. Or if he gets awarded anything, it should go to a childrens' charity or something.
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Re: How Much Money Should Amaral Sue The McCanns For?
Shibboleth on Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:15 pm
mystique wrote:Hello to everyone.
Going back through your comments i must admit i read that what Mr Amaral said was "F**k the McCanns." However i have translated it and it ftands for force the McCanns, totally different to what others were saying.
As for Mr Amaral sueing the McCanns, can you counter sue? I am not up to speed on those issues so maybe someone can help out on those issues. I certainly would not like anyone to lose their houses because of what was wrote but if you spread lies and falsehoods you should receive some punishment.
Nobody knows what happened to little Madeleine except the one or the ones that did it, they know the real truth of what happened to her.
Actually he said "fala com McCanns" which means "go speak to the McCanns".
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Re: How Much Money Should Amaral Sue The McCanns For?
mystique on Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:19 pm
I just went by what i read in print and on forums. Just shows do not trust anything or anyone really. Free your own mind of distractions and you will find whatever you are looking for
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