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Southern Railway to axe toilets from new train fleet

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Southern Railway to axe toilets from new train fleet

Post by Guest on 20.09.10 11:44

19 September 2010 Last updated at 16:05

Southern Railway to axe toilets from new train fleet
A train company has been branded a "disgrace" by union chiefs after it emerged some of its new fleet will have no toilets on board.

Southern Railway opted to forgo the facilities on its latest trains running on the Portsmouth to Brighton service.

The Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers' union (RMT) said on a journey of that length it was "unacceptable".

The firm said trains would run in areas with short journeys where most people travel for less than half an hour.

A journey from Portsmouth to Brighton can take up to an hour-and-a-half.

'Refreshed interior'

Independent rail passenger watchdog Passenger Focus said the decision was a blow for passengers who were elderly, had medical conditions and travelled with children.

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Southern Railways said the trains, which are to be introduced in December, have been designed to create more space for passengers.

But RMT general secretary Bob Crow called the move "unacceptable" and said it runs the risk of turning carriages into "stinking cattle trucks" creating appalling conditions for passengers and staff.

"The route has always had toilets on board in the past," he said.

"This is the main connection between two major cities on the South coast.

"One and a half hours without any toilet facilities on board is unacceptable."

He said RMT was already set to ballot members of Southern Railway for industrial action after cuts to security led to an increase in assaults on staff.

A Southern Railway spokeswoman said the new trains would have a "refreshed interior" including new seats and flooring, a passenger information system and flexible spaces for wheelchairs and cycles.

She added other trains in its fleet also did not have toilets on board.

"Quite a few other operators do not have toilets," she added.

The Department for Transport said there were no rules on whether or not toilets should be available on trains.

"We expect rail companies to provide a good service," he added.

"However, it is not for the Government to micromanage the industry."

Anthony Smith, chief executive of Passenger Focus, said: "This is definitely a blow for passengers, especially those travelling with children.

"However, these changes will help to reduce overcrowding which will be welcomed by passengers.

"Our research shows that passengers are unhappy with station toilets, so it is essential that Southern improves them quickly."


wow I wouldn't use them then, I'm always having to go for a pee big grin


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Post by kangdang on 20.09.10 12:12

Oh dear, not a wise move. Little children busting for the loo, expectant mothers busting for the loo, all those Friday night commuters whom will have to put a stop to the traditional end of week pint in the city before returning home!!! A disgrace indeed.

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Post by Judge Mental on 20.09.10 12:21

One is not amused to learn this at all. All operators should have at least one emergency toilet per train, or else they had better be prepared and mops and buckets onboard. What do they think a drunken footballer would do if there were no toilet facilities for him to divest himself of his used lager? Where will the late night reveller politicians and bankers be able to prepare their drugs in private, and away from the prying eyes of mobile telephone cameras?


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Post by baconbutty on 20.09.10 13:07

This is an outrage. But it's what you get when more and more public services become deregulated and the private bods move in. Once that happens, none of them give a stuff about the public who pay their salaries.
When you've gotta go you've gotta go, and if their carriages become awash it'll serve them bloody well right. They'll have to spend more money and time on clean-ups which will mean their rolling stock won't be in the right place at the right time. A novel way to lose your franchise!
Some enterprising southerner should organise a Protest Pee down at their HQ -- preferably in the car park right next to all those executive BMWs.


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Post by kangdang on 20.09.10 13:24

Some enterprising southerner should organise a Protest Pee down at their HQ -- preferably in the car park right next to all those executive BMWs.

I would be game provided it occured before the weather take a turn brrrrrr... biggergrin

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