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The Popes' visit to the UK

Post by ufercoffy on 13.09.10 17:16




The Pope and FTAC


http://blogs.news.sky.com/lifeofcrime/Post:92bee3bf-5a19-41d7-b47a-1cef55c92832



September 13, 2010 9:48 AM



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  • A shadowy police unit has been rattling the cages of several people who may pose a threat to the Pope on his UK visit this week.
    Scotland Yard's little-known Fixated Threat Assessment Centre (FTAC) was set up four years ago to identify and monitor individuals thought to be obsessed with particular VIPs.
    The Yard said it was established "in response to evidence that a significant proportion of fixated people are severely and acutely mentally ill and urgently need professional help."
    Anyone who's been writing to the Pope, following the Pope, or thinks they are the Pope has had a knock on the door recently and warned to behave themselves.
    According to the Home Office FTAC is a counter terror unit and part of the "aim to make the UK a harder target for terrorists by maintaining effective and efficient protective security for public figures."
    Its psychiatrists have the power to detain suspects under the Mental Health Act, though civil rights group Liberty fears it poses a threat to human rights.
    Senior officers in charge of the Pope's security were a little uncomfortable when I brought up FTAC's role at a briefing, but insisted that no suspect had been locked up ahead of his Holiness's visit.
    The_Pope Scotland_Yard Liberty


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    Posted by: macphisto on September 13, 2010 5:11 PM

How can you refer to someone who was a Nazi and someone who protects paedophiles as HOLY??? In my book he is anything but holy and he should be arrested when he steps foot on british soil and made to answer as to why he chooses to protect these vile paedo's.


Posted by: sodthis1 on September 13, 2010 4:59 PM
with all the cost is this the
PAYPAL PAPAL vist


Posted by: Badwolf from England on September 13, 2010 4:49 PM
Nazi pope


Posted by: Judas Baumbach from Jerusalem on September 13, 2010 4:22 PM
"Its psychiatrists have the power to detain suspects under the Mental Health Act, though civil rights group Liberty fears it poses a threat to human rights."

That was a KGB favourite.



Posted by: Anopheles on September 13, 2010 3:45 PM
The pope has his own loyal praetorian guard:Opus Dei.
He should pay for it himself-God knowns the Vatican is hardly short of a Bob or Two.


Posted by: martyjg from north east on September 13, 2010 3:23 PM
'It's psychiatrists',? If ever you thought this was a democratic country pay attention to that statement! Whatever you thought about Stalinist rule, look over your shoulder! I don't think you will get a pat on the back for this information Martin! But know one thing, there are many who are grateful for this information. Maybe unknowingly, but brilliant reporting!
Maybe they can hire the cops investigating 'the man in the holdall' to guard the pope, or are they 'not fit for purpose'?


Posted by: Chubbarow on September 13, 2010 2:22 PM
doubleplusthanks to thinkpol for FTAC - proles guilty of crimethink need joycamp - biglove from winston smith


Posted by: Chubbarow on September 13, 2010 2:22 PM
doubleplusthanks to thinkpol for FTAC - proles guilty of crimethink need joycamp - biglove from winston smith


Posted by: Oxymoron on September 13, 2010 2:04 PM
Surely, if the Catholics are correct, God will protect him?



Posted by: Oxymoron on September 13, 2010 2:01 PM

Surely, if the Catholics are correct, God will protect him?

Of course if God is Muslim or CofE, maybe not so safe?

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Re: The Popes' visit to the UK

Post by kangdang on 13.09.10 18:38

Thanks ufercoffy.

What an utter waste of public money this trip is....est £25million in one report

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Re: The Popes' visit to the UK

Post by Judge Mental on 13.09.10 20:14

The man is a huge security risk and has caused terrific outrage amongst his own flock, without mentioning how other religions feel about him.

Therefore, one would suggest that it would be a far better idea for the Vatican to send money-off travel coupons to anybody who has such a spiritual need that they need to see a real live Pope sitting or standing behind bullet-proof glass.

The Pope has some rather splendid gardens wherein tents could be temporarily erected to save the pilgrims any expensive hotel bills. And if everybody were to smuggle five loaves and two fishes through customs, they would have no need to spend frivolous amounts of money in the local eateries. There are also plenty of water fountains to drink from and one is in no doubt there will be somebody amongst the flock who could turn the water into wine should people wish to imbibe during their pilgrimages.




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'We will not say sorry because you will sue us': Why Belgian Catholic church is ignoring hundreds of abuse victims

Post by sharonl on 14.09.10 17:54

'We will not say sorry because you will sue us': Why Belgian Catholic church is ignoring hundreds of abuse victims

By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 5:07 PM on 14th September 2010

Comments (0) Add to My Stories The Belgian Roman Catholic Church is afraid to give a full apology for the sexual abuse of children by its priests as this could open the door to compensation claims, a senior bishop said today.

'If we say "mea culpa", then we are morally responsible, legally responsible, and then people come wanting money,' Bishop Guy Harpigny, the Belgian bishops' spokesman on abuse issues, told Belgium's Radio 1.
'We are afraid. Who will ask - the victims, the court or someone else? That's why we are so careful.'
Facing the music: Senior Belgian Roman Catholic clerics answer Press questions in the wake of the scandal. They claim to apologise would make them liable for the abuse

A church commission studying 475 complaints revealed last Friday that sexual abuse had been rife in Catholic institutions in the 1960s and 1970s, and led 13 victims to commit suicide.

But church and judicial authorities have not come up with a clear strategy. Police seized the 475 files and other dossiers in June, but a court declared the raid illegal and ordered the material returned.

More...Belgium's Catholic Church to set up support centres for victims of widespread abuse

On Monday the church announced a plan to open a support and reconciliation centre later this year, but victims' groups said it was too vague, and urged the state to launch another inquiry.

Visit: The Belgium scandal comes days before the Pope's visit to Britain
'After the news conference, I got a lot of calls, including from parliamentary deputies, that said "Please, give all the files to the justice authorities",' Harpigny, who is bishop of Tournai, told La Premiere radio in another interview.

He said he thought the files should be handed over, but that some victims did not want the state involved.

Asked about an apology, the bishop told Radio 1: 'As an institution I must accept that I am responsible, albeit for things that happened in the 1960s, and that is why, in the name of the church, I ask the victims for forgiveness.

'The news conference yesterday was a missed chance for a "mea culpa". Maybe the church was too concerned with itself.'

Harpigny said the Vatican would soon make a decision about Roger Vangheluwe, the bishop of Bruges who resigned in April after admitting he had sexually abused his nephew for years.
The bishop suggested last week that Vangheluwe, who is in hiding, be tried under church law.

Critics have since called for him to be defrocked, something only Pope Benedict can do.

Harpigny said a decision should come later this year.
The controversy comes ahead of the Pope's visit to Britain later this week which is set to be followed by protesters against child abuse.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1311973/Belgian-Catholic-church-apologising-hundreds-abuse-victims-fearing-sue.html?ITO=socialnet-twitter-mailonline#ixzz0zWWOUQlc

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From Rev. Kevin Annett

Post by Tony Bennett on 14.09.10 19:42

From Rev. Kevin Annett:

As you know, the Pope is due in the UK this week on a state visit, generating wide disgust and outrage over the Catholic Church’s record on child abuse and Ratzinger’s personal complicity in covering that up and failing to deal appropriately with offenders.

Those who attended the UK Rally against Child Abuse in Trafalgar Square on 7th August may remember me reading out a message to the Rally from the Rev. Kevin Annett in Canada, also Corneilius’ splendid speech which followed that. Kevin is singlehandedly exposing the atrocities committed by particularly the Catholic Church against the native Indian children of Canada. All through 20th century Indian children were snatched from their parents and communities and incarcerated in Dickensian residential schools to be ‘educated’, but where in reality they suffered all manner of abuse and some 50,000 perished.

Hence Kevin is in London this week to add his weight to the protest and to put pressure on the Pope to address these terrible crimes and notice he is launching an International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State.

I do hope those within orbit might be able to join us at some of the following locations in support of Kevin and his work:

Wednesday, September 15:
7 pm, Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, London: Screening of film Unrepentant and lecture by Kevin Annett sponsored by The Secular Society (co-organisers of protest against the Pope, Saturday September 18)

Thursday, September 16:

11 am, outside Westminster (RC) Cathedral, downtown London: Public vigil and press conference to proclaim launching of the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State;

7 pm, Passing Clouds centre, N. London: Public talk and book launch/readings from Kevin Annett's new book "Unrepentant: Disrobing the Emperor"

Friday, September 17:

(times TBA): Vigil - Protest against the Pope outside Lambeth Palace (am) and Houses of Parliament (pm)

Saturday, September 18:

Morning protests outside Westminster Cathedral and Hyde Park to coincide with Pope's presence there

1:30 pm Rally and March from Hyde Park corner to 10 Downing Street, organised by Protest the Pope Coalition

Sunday, September 19:

10 am, Westminster Cathedral: Prayer vigil and presentation of earth from graves and children’s shoes

Afternoon: Outing organised through Passing Clouds Centre

Monday, September 20:

12 noon vigil and presentation of earth from graves and children's shoes outside Buckingham Palace

For more precise information please contact me on 07770 927734

Kevin’s website is www.hiddenfromhistory.org

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Papal infallibility

Post by Tony Bennett on 14.09.10 19:49

@ufercoffy wrote:Posted by: Oxymoron on September 13, 2010 2:01 PM : Surely, if the Catholics are correct, God will protect him?
IF...

By the way, according to the Popes, they are only infallible when they sit in their chair in the Vatican and make 'ex cathedra' pronouncements.

He becomes (potentially at any rate) fallible when out of his chair, i.e. before he sits down and again when he gets up. So throughout his four days in the U.K., he will be (potentially at least) fallible.

I have often wondered about the precise moment he becomes fallible again. Is it, for example, when the Papal bottom ceases to touch the seat, or when his hands no longer touch the chair, or when he fully gets up on his feet?

What if he falls back into his chair? Does he become infallible again?

I think we should be told.

WIKIPEDIA: Papal infallibility is the dogma in Roman Catholic theology that, by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error when he solemnly declares or promulgates to the universal Church a dogmatic teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at least being intimately connected to divine revelation.

It is also taught that the Holy Spirit works in the body of the Church, as sensus fidelium, to ensure that dogmatic teachings proclaimed to be infallible will be received by all Catholics. This dogma, however, does not state either that the Pope cannot sin in his own personal life or that he is necessarily free of error, even when speaking in his official capacity, outside the specific contexts in which the dogma applies.

This doctrine was defined dogmatically in the First Vatican Council of 1870.


Popes weren't infallible until 1870. Did someone say 'The Borgias'?

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Re: The Popes' visit to the UK

Post by littlepixie on 14.09.10 22:05

Apparently a collection plate/bag is being passed around local congregations which has something to do with donating to this Papal visit. Many congregation members are turning their heads and looking away when the bag is passed to them (so I've heard)

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Paisley vs. The Pope

Post by Tony Bennett on 14.09.10 22:18

@littlepixie wrote:Apparently a collection plate/bag is being passed around local congregations which has something to do with donating to this Papal visit. Many congregation members are turning their heads and looking away when the bag is passed to them (so I've heard)
Paisley vs. The Pope:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11280797

Is it true that Clarence Mitchell's meeting the Pope and asking him: 'Would you mind awfully putting Madeleine back up on your website again?"

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Re: The Popes' visit to the UK

Post by baconbutty on 15.09.10 17:48

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11317441

It doesn't happen very often, but right now, words fail me.

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Re: The Popes' visit to the UK

Post by Judge Mental on 15.09.10 20:45

It is despicable that the Pope and senior authorities within the Church chose to hide this scandal for all these years and did not inform the police.

However, we must not become distracted by a media that is now deliberately using blanket coverage of paedophile priests to mask the scurrilous activities of Operation Ore, and the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of both male and female married paedophiles living in our own streets and committing the same heinous crimes every day right under our own noses.

Some of these people are members of different faiths and some of them are in senior positions in the community. Some of these people are already known by the police, the judiciary and the media, yet little or nothing is ever done, and they themselves have been more than happy to conceal it because they have an involvement or because they know somebody who is involved.

Had the Church gone to the police and reported these crimes, we cannot guarantee that the police would have acted.

A constabulary constantly under discussion here did not see fit to inform an ongoing police investigation in Portugal that two doctors had witnessed grave behavoiur between two of their own friends who were in PDL when a three year old child was reported to have been abducted. Yet their statements were withheld for more than five months. The investigation has been ongoing for more than three and a half years, yet nothing has been done, except to try and ban the book of a man who wishes to expose the contrariness of the police who chose not to hand over this information.


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Re: The Popes' visit to the UK

Post by Judge Mental on 15.09.10 20:50

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@littlepixie wrote:Apparently a collection plate/bag is being passed around local congregations which has something to do with donating to this Papal visit. Many congregation members are turning their heads and looking away when the bag is passed to them (so I've heard)
Paisley vs. The Pope:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11280797

Is it true that Clarence Mitchell's meeting the Pope and asking him: 'Would you mind awfully putting Madeleine back up on your website again?"

One would believe anything of Mitchell, and would also ask if he used the same threatening manner with the Vatican that he used towards Amaral.

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London protesters accuse pope of hypocrisy over sex abuse – report and photos

Post by sharonl on 17.09.10 14:55


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Re: The Popes' visit to the UK

Post by littlepixie on 17.09.10 18:29

I was in the Sacred Heart Church in Manchester yesterday for a Catholic funeral (never again). In the Church Hall where we ate our sandwiches there was more than one poster aimed at children telling them to report it if someone was hurting them or asking them to keep a secret.

Who do they expect the children to tell - the Priest??

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Pope actively and personally covered up and protected child abusers

Post by Tony Bennett on 18.09.10 7:33


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Re: The Popes' visit to the UK

Post by Cherry on 20.09.10 17:51

When Ann Widdicombe was asked about the protests against the Pope she described it as an irritation! - so now survivors of abuse are irritations! angry

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