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Post by MayMuse 22.02.17 20:36

Lands_end wrote:When I first read this tripe, my first question would have been "If she left looking for her parents then who do you think JEMMIED the SHUTTERS"?
No evidence of jemmied or broken shutters, no evidence that Madeleine wandered around OC looking for her parents, then again didn't Gerry say he has no problem with anyone "purporting a theory"

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Post by suzyjohnson 22.02.17 22:16

Lands_end wrote:
ChippyM wrote:
suzyjohnson wrote:I'm not convinced the latest publicity given to the wandered off theory is necessarily a good thing.

You don't suppose SY are about to wind Op Grange up with something like, 'well we couldn't find any abductors, so we think there's a reasonable chance MM just woke up and wandered off' ?

This would absolve the McCanns. At a push they could always claim that someone outside trying to open the shutters (a burglar, a drunk tourist, teenagers) woke her up.

But what of the death scent.....and Andy Redwood saying she may not have left the apartment alive?  Maybe they will invent a dead body, a bit like they did with Tanner Man!
Tanner man? I thought they did invent a dead body which I call smelly tractorman. OK he may have existed but he is now no more therfore fair game in the McCann case.

Tractorman wasn't smelly, Binman was smelly. Tractorman died, but Binman is still going round in his trash van as far as we know

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Post by Hobs 22.02.17 23:08

Lands_end wrote:
ChippyM wrote:

But what of the death scent.....and Andy Redwood saying she may not have left the apartment alive?  Maybe they will invent a dead body, a bit like they did with Tanner Man!

Wouldn't that make Maddie a zombie if she got up and wandered?

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Post by jeanmonroe 23.02.17 1:18

"But they’re not going to fall out with him over this."
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I BET THEY WON'T BE!

He 'probably' has a 'dossier' on 'them', 'ready to go', BIGGER than he had on Savile and Hazell, (Tia Sharp murderer) 'combined'!

EVERY 'journo/broadcaster/news station' has 'read' the 'files', (10 times over!) seen all the 'staged interviews' and the damaging 'impromptu interviews', although you wouldn't know it, given the BS they 'write', and that's why 'they' won't (dare?) to 'fall out' with him.

On his 'theory', he says, 'we know Madeleine was crying the night before, because KM has told us 'that'.

Is this the same KM who admits to 'lying' to police?

But she's NOT 'lying' about Maddie 'crying'?

How does MWT 'explain' then, that Maddie, who WAS 'awake and crying' the 'night before', because KM 'said so', did NOT 'wander off to the tapas' looking for her parents, THAT night? (Wednesday 2nd May, 2007)

Or is 'only' a Thursday, (3rd May, 2007) in PDL, 'wandering off' night?

This is what KM 'said':

Kate said the three-year-old "would have had to have opened a patio door and two gates, one with a child safety lock."
Then the youngster "would have had to have closed them all behind her."
Kate said: “What three-year-old, do you know, who would do that?"
NO CHANCE!: Kate McCann said 'there was no way Madeleine would walk off.'

When asked if Madeleine might have wandered out through the unlocked patio window, towards the swimming pool, or beyond to the beach, the McCanns dismiss it out of hand.

"We're absolutely certain. We double and treble-checked and have no doubt she was taken,"

Someone's WRONG, RIGHT?
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Post by Paddington2007 23.02.17 4:56

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/590706/Madeleine-McCann-mum-dismisses-claim-wandered-away-Portugal-Kate-This-Morning
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Post by Paddington2007 23.02.17 5:13

Would be interesting if the Star printed this alongside the above!

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

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She did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.
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Post by Paddington2007 23.02.17 5:44

'get out and find us'
this would require the three-year old to leave the complex and walk along a public road, alone, in the dark while in a foreign land......."well within the bounds of responsible parenting"

The neglect aspect may be irrelevant but the story beggars belief!


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Paddington2007 wrote:What were the circumstances regarding her telling you that? [about Madeleine waking up]

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She did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

No one in their right mind leaves a door unlocked so that a three year old can wander around a holiday resort at night looking for her parents. Some nights the tapas group weren't getting back to the apartments until nearly midnight. KM, if her story is genuine, was only checking at 10 pm on the 3 rd she wasn't planning on staying there.

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Post by NickE 23.02.17 7:45

They are debunking all other possibilities and they have maintained their abduction by paedo story since the first minutes of the staged abduction BUT, as we knows,there is no evidence.
×CEOP's involment("Send your holiday photos to me)
×CEOP's manual.
×CEOP's missing Madeleine page.
×Men who's lurking around Zavial beach and take photos and Nuno who's claim someone tried to kidnapp his child.
IMO this was the wider agenda and this were their plan from the start to cover up what ever happened to Madeleine.
All this arrangement take time and wasn't planned in one or two days and that's why they had to wait until Thursday.

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Post by Tony Bennett 23.02.17 7:51

Mark Williams-Thomas -v- The McCanns...continued in today's Star:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/590706/Madeleine-McCann-mum-dismisses-claim-wandered-away-Portugal-Kate-This-Morning

ALSO here:

Reporter shares new theory on Madeleine McCann's disappearance
JOE.co.uk
An investigative reporter shocked viewers of ITV's This Morningshow today by sharing his theory that Madeleine McCann may have wandered away ...

Madeleine McCann's parents refuse to comment on astonishing claims made about daughter's ...  - Glasgow Evening Times
Full Coverage  

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Post by whatsupdoc 23.02.17 8:06

Tony Bennett wrote:Mark Williams-Thomas -v- The McCanns...continued in today's Star:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/590706/Madeleine-McCann-mum-dismisses-claim-wandered-away-Portugal-Kate-This-Morning

ALSO here:

Reporter shares new theory on Madeleine McCann's disappearance
JOE.co.uk
An investigative reporter shocked viewers of ITV's This Morningshow today by sharing his theory that Madeleine McCann may have wandered away ...

Madeleine McCann's parents refuse to comment on astonishing claims made about daughter's ...  - Glasgow Evening Times
Full Coverage  

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Anyone not believing the abduction story will be admonished.
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Post by Jill Havern 23.02.17 8:24

jeanmonroe wrote:"But they’re not going to fall out with him over this."
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I BET THEY WON'T BE!

He 'probably' has a 'dossier' on 'them', 'ready to go', BIGGER than he had on Savile and Hazell, (Tia Sharp murderer) 'combined'!

EVERY 'journo/broadcaster/news station' has 'read' the 'files', (10 times over!) seen all the 'staged interviews' and the damaging 'impromptu interviews', although you wouldn't know it, given the BS they 'write', and that's why 'they' won't (dare?) to 'fall out' with him.

On his 'theory', he says, 'we know Madeleine was crying the night before, because KM has told us 'that'.

Is this the same KM who admits to 'lying' to police?

But she's NOT 'lying' about Maddie 'crying'?

How does MWT 'explain' then, that Maddie, who WAS 'awake and crying' the 'night before', because KM 'said so', did NOT 'wander off to the tapas' looking for her parents, THAT night? (Wednesday 2nd May, 2007)

Or is 'only' a Thursday, (3rd May, 2007) in PDL, 'wandering off' night?

This is what KM 'said':

Kate said the three-year-old "would have had to have opened a patio door and two gates, one with a child safety lock."
Then the youngster "would have had to have closed them all behind her."
Kate said: “What three-year-old, do you know, who would do that?"
NO CHANCE!: Kate McCann said 'there was no way Madeleine would walk off.'


When asked if Madeleine might have wandered out through the unlocked patio window, towards the swimming pool, or beyond to the beach, the McCanns dismiss it out of hand.

"We're absolutely certain. We double and treble-checked and have no doubt she was taken,"

Someone's WRONG, RIGHT?

Shouldn't she have said "Maddie would have had to pull back the curtains, open the window and jemmy the shutters and climb out"?

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Post by Doug D 23.02.17 12:46

Loosing your grip Clarence?

TM ‘right hand doesn’t know what left hand’s doing’ springs to mind (or is it right hand and right hand?)
 
CM says:
 
‘The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell hit back today, saying: “This is pure speculation and, as such, Kate and Gerry will not be dignifying it with any sort of comment whatsoever.”
 
So he gets Jerry Lawton to concoct these quotes from the bloody bewk!
 
Madeleine McCann's mum dismisses claim youngster wandered away from apartment
 
MADELEINE McCann’s mum dismissed a theory her daughter walked out of their holiday apartment.
 
By Jerry Lawton / Published 23rd February 2017
 
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Kate said the three-year-old would have had to have opened a patio door and two gates, one with a child safety lock.
Then the youngster would have had to have closed them all behind her.
Kate said: “What three-year-old do you know who would do that?
 
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/590706/Madeleine-McCann-mum-dismisses-claim-wandered-away-Portugal-Kate-This-Morning
 
In the bewk KM actually says:
 
However, I have always found the third suggestion insulting to our intelligence, frankly. Obviously, the police are obliged to consider all possible scenarios but there was no doubt in our minds that Madeleine had not left that apartment of her own accord. For a start there was Jane’s sighting of what was, in all likelihood, Madeleine being carried off. Even if you set that aside, there was no way a three-year-old would have been able to raise the shutters and open the window in the children’s room. To give any credence whatsoever to the idea that Madeleine could have walked out on her own you would have to accept that she had gone out the back way, pulling aside the sitting- room curtains and drawing them again, then opening the patio door, the child-safety gate at the top of the stairs on the veranda and the little gate to the road – and carefully closing all three behind her. What three-year-old do you know who would do that? And we knew our Madeleine. She simply would not wander off like this.
 
And now we have our Tracey trying to get back in Kate’s good books with an appeal article for Missing Persons for the London Marathon
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Doug D wrote:Loosing your grip Clarence?

TM ‘right hand doesn’t know what left hand’s doing’ springs to mind (or is it right hand and right hand?)
 
CM says:
 
‘The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell hit back today, saying: “This is pure speculation and, as such, Kate and Gerry will not be dignifying it with any sort of comment whatsoever.”
 
So he gets Jerry Lawton to concoct these quotes from the bloody bewk!
 
Madeleine McCann's mum dismisses claim youngster wandered away from apartment
 
MADELEINE McCann’s mum dismissed a theory her daughter walked out of their holiday apartment.
 
By Jerry Lawton / Published 23rd February 2017
 
Snipped:
 
Kate said the three-year-old would have had to have opened a patio door and two gates, one with a child safety lock.
Then the youngster would have had to have closed them all behind her.
Kate said: “What three-year-old do you know who would be able to do that? 
 
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/590706/Madeleine-McCann-mum-dismisses-claim-wandered-away-Portugal-Kate-This-Morning
 
In the bewk KM actually says:
 
However, I have always found the third suggestion insulting to our intelligence, frankly. Obviously, the police are obliged to consider all possible scenarios but there was no doubt in our minds that Madeleine had not left that apartment of her own accord. For a start there was Jane’s sighting of what was, in all likelihood, Madeleine being carried off. Even if you set that aside, there was no way a three-year-old would have been able to raise the shutters and open the window in the children’s room. To give any credence whatsoever to the idea that Madeleine could have walked out on her own you would have to accept that she had gone out the back way, pulling aside the sitting- room curtains and drawing them again, then opening the patio door, the child-safety gate at the top of the stairs on the veranda and the little gate to the road – and carefully closing all three behind her. What three-year-old do you know who would do that? And we knew our Madeleine. She simply would not wander off like this.
 
And now we have our Tracey trying to get back in Kate’s good books with an appeal article for Missing Persons for the London Marathon
I really wish they would stop infantalizing Maddie - she was almost four and yet they (the parents) never seem to acknowledge this. The question "What three year old do you know who would be able to do that?" is deliberately misleading and like the photographs of a younger Madeleine,  it is part of the obfuscation, media manipulation process.
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Post by MayMuse 23.02.17 13:16

Doug D wrote:Loosing your grip Clarence?

TM ‘right hand doesn’t know what left hand’s doing’ springs to mind (or is it right hand and right hand?)
 
CM says:
 
‘The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell hit back today, saying: “This is pure speculation and, as such, Kate and Gerry will not be dignifying it with any sort of comment whatsoever.”
 
So he gets Jerry Lawton to concoct these quotes from the bloody bewk!
 
Madeleine McCann's mum dismisses claim youngster wandered away from apartment
 
MADELEINE McCann’s mum dismissed a theory her daughter walked out of their holiday apartment.
 
By Jerry Lawton / Published 23rd February 2017
 
Snipped:
 
Kate said the three-year-old would have had to have opened a patio door and two gates, one with a child safety lock.
Then the youngster would have had to have closed them all behind her.
Kate said: “What three-year-old do you know who would do that?
 
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/590706/Madeleine-McCann-mum-dismisses-claim-wandered-away-Portugal-Kate-This-Morning
 
In the bewk KM actually says:
 
However, I have always found the third suggestion insulting to our intelligence, frankly. Obviously, the police are obliged to consider all possible scenarios but there was no doubt in our minds that Madeleine had not left that apartment of her own accord. For a start there was Jane’s sighting of what was, in all likelihood, Madeleine being carried off. Even if you set that aside, there was no way a three-year-old would have been able to raise the shutters and open the window in the children’s room. To give any credence whatsoever to the idea that Madeleine could have walked out on her own you would have to accept that she had gone out the back way, pulling aside the sitting- room curtains and drawing them again, then opening the patio door, the child-safety gate at the top of the stairs on the veranda and the little gate to the road – and carefully closing all three behind her. What three-year-old do you know who would do that? And we knew our Madeleine. She simply would not wander off like this.
 
And now we have our Tracey trying to get back in Kate’s good books with an appeal article for Missing Persons for the London Marathon
Are we now going to have "non news" hashed out in MSM every couple of days? 


Oh no (s)he didn't, oh yes (s)he did scenario 

IS that the non dignified comment, Kates storyline from her book?
Clear message I would say, Madeleine did NOT wander out of the apartment. 

MWT.......Take note!

Pfft!

Thanks for the info Dougd, I also saw the Marathon advertised :emo3:

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Post by Doug D 23.02.17 13:43

MayMuse:
 
Are we now going to have "non news" hashed out in MSM every couple of days?
 
Looks like it.
 
From Tracey’s ‘Marathon’ appeal she’s started the countdown, ten weeks to go:
 
FIGHTING FOR THE CAUSE Kate McCann offers support to missing persons charity just hours after top cop  (????!!!???) claims new theory to Madeleine’s disappearance
 
The brave mum today urges supporters on an official Find Maddie Facebook page to sponsor her fellow keen runner friend Matt Curtis
EXCLUSIVE
BY TRACEY KANDOHLA 22nd February 2017, 11:37 am
 
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Kate, who faces the painstakingly 10th anniversary of her daughter’s disappearance in 10 weeks, selflessly casts aside her own battles for the sake of other deserving causes.
 
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2926341/madeleine-mccann-mother-kate-missing-persons-charity-support-new-theory-disappearance/
 
As for ‘top cop’, MWT, dmml.
 
Then it goes to ‘new’ theory. Are we in a time-warp?
 
Wasn’t going to post the full article, but it is so good and well researched it deserves to be seen, either here or on the ‘More total bollocks’ thread:
 
BIG-HEARTED Kate McCann has put aside her own anguish over snatched daughter Madeleine to help a pal raise money for charity.
 
At a time when two ex cops have continued to heap more misery on her family, she has spared time to consider other missing children and adults.
 
The brave mum today urges supporters on an official Find Maddie Facebook page to sponsor her fellow keen runner friend Matt Curtis on behalf of a vital cause,  proving she can fight for and not just fight against.
In a rare personal posting on the campaign website, she pleads: “Can you help us support the charity Missing people?”
 
Kate adds: “A friend of mine, Matt, has volunteered to run the London Marathon in April this year to help raise awareness and much needed funds for Missing People.”
Sports-mad Kate says: “Even for keen runners, training for a marathon requires a lot to time, effort and commitment – and raising money can sometimes be an even bigger challenge!”
The former GP’s efforts to assist others comes as she and heart doctor husband Gerry are locked into a renewed testing and trying libel fight against retired Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral.
 
Her plea for help comes just hours after ex-Scotland Yard officer Mark Williams-Thomas spouted his “astonishing new theory” about what he thought happened to three-year-old Maddie on national TV.
Kate, who faces the painstakingly 10th anniversary of her daughter’s disappearance in 10 weeks, selflessly casts aside her own battles for the sake of other deserving causes.
Maddie’s mum, 48, from Rothley, Leics, an ambassador of London-based Missing People asks followers to help chum Matt and her charity team “to continue their vital and very brilliant work.” She signs off her posting on the Campaign website, run by supporters but which she endorses, simply: “Thank you, Kate.”
 
So far Matt has raised nearly 20 per cent of his target £2,000. Among many fans seeing Kate’s appeal – launched yesterday afternoon - are Kathyrn Pearson who passionately  writes: “Well done to him and the best of luck to you Kate and your family. I pray regularly for you all and little Madeleine.”
 
Three-year-old Maddie vanished from a holiday apartment in Portugal’s Praia da Luz in May 2007. Her parents have never given up hope of one day finding their daughter – who would now be aged 13 – alive.
 
Williams-Thomas revealed his theory about what happened the night Maddie went missing when he appeared on ITV’s This Morning programme yesterday.
 
The TV detective said he believes Maddie went looking for her mum and dad, knowing they were in the resort’s tapas bar that night.
 
He said: "I think Maddie was aware they were in the tapas bar in the resort. In order to get to the bar you have to come out of the premises, walk on a public road and go back in again.
 
“The concern I have, I believe she woke up and went looking for them, she left the apartment and came out, we already know the patio door was insecure.”
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Post by Guest 23.02.17 13:50

The UK media are currently engaged in baffling with bull****.
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Post by MayMuse 23.02.17 13:58

It gets "better" every print  big grin 

Reaping their "victim" stance now with not one but TW0 ex cops heaping the misery?

 Locked into a renewed testing and trying libel fight? 

What interesting words to use, how are they "locked" in? It was a done deal! They could have "escaped" that by accepting the SC decision. It is not a renewed libel fight, are they saying they are trying and testing as in testing the waters or it is oh so testing and trying meaning they are exhausted? 



At a time when two ex cops have continued to heap more misery on her family, she has spared time to consider other missing children and adults.

The former GP’s efforts to assist others comes as she and heart doctor husband Gerry are locked into a renewed testing and trying libel fight against retired Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral.
 



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Post by Mirage 23.02.17 14:24

"TOP COP" !!! Says who?

Oh Kandohla!

As you were everyone.
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Post by Guest 23.02.17 14:28

Can someone let her know about Peter Mac and make it three ex cops.
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Post by sandancer 23.02.17 16:03

"Big hearted "

"Selfless " 

"Brave " 

" Anguish " 

( By the way Kate is 48 , did you know ?) 

Tracey really is laying on the a...licking , brown nosing bull...t  isn't she ! 

Anyone would think she was a fan/ friend of theirs !

Sick bucket anyone ?   winkwink :puke:
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Post by suzyjohnson 23.02.17 19:50

What's_up_doc? wrote:
Doug D wrote: 
In the bewk KM actually says:
 
However, I have always found the third suggestion insulting to our intelligence, frankly. Obviously, the police are obliged to consider all possible scenarios but there was no doubt in our minds that Madeleine had not left that apartment of her own accord. For a start there was Jane’s sighting of what was, in all likelihood, Madeleine being carried off. Even if you set that aside, there was no way a three-year-old would have been able to raise the shutters and open the window in the children’s room. To give any credence whatsoever to the idea that Madeleine could have walked out on her own you would have to accept that she had gone out the back way, pulling aside the sitting- room curtains and drawing them again, then opening the patio door, the child-safety gate at the top of the stairs on the veranda and the little gate to the road – and carefully closing all three behind her. What three-year-old do you know who would do that? And we knew our Madeleine. She simply would not wander off like this.
 
I really wish they would stop infantalizing Maddie - she was almost four and yet they (the parents) never seem to acknowledge this. The question "What three year old do you know who would be able to do that?" is deliberately misleading and like the photographs of a younger Madeleine,  it is part of the obfuscation, media manipulation process.

They only do that when it suits them though. I was just thinking I don't know many three year olds considered responsible enough to go out on their own at night to wander around looking for their parents.

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Post by plebgate 23.02.17 21:48

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/10311161/The-cost-of-libel-reform.html


I remember reading that this matter was going to be decided upon by Parliament in January/Feb. of this year.
I have had a look but cannot find out whether a decision was made.McCanns and MWT on ITV 'This Morning' at 11.45 (21 Feb) VIDEO Added - Page 7 Sort_d10
IMO this may well be the reason that media outlets are wary of printing anything that might see them being taken to court.

Anyone know whether a decision has been made on whether this has been passed into law or not?

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Post by plebgate 23.02.17 22:10

I knew I had read something earlier this year about all of it - link

https://capx.co/the-british-press-could-soon-be-at-the-mercy-of-its-enemies/

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Post by plebgate 23.02.17 22:36

another interesting link from guido:


https://order-order.com/2017/01/05/lineker-reveals-naivety-personal-vendettas-section-40-lobby/

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