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Re: Gerald McCann: CATS system - registration number 19309

Post by Gillyspot on 25.06.11 14:39

Particularly as she hadn't worked since around 27th April 2007 before the fateful holiday (so Mccann style maternity leave can last at least 3 1/2 years). Wonder if she is still on it. Interesting again that they couldn't pay the mortgage. Her wage alone was around £38k after tax.

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Empty Files

Post by Jauna Loca on 12.07.11 16:24

Hi Folks,
Always thought these empty files were the result of a courtesy call on the sainted Mackers when they returned from Portugal one child less i.e. the
law demanded a visit but the investigation would be toothless at the least. Hence the mandatory registration but with no actual credence given to
Necessity of same so no content in files.
But in light of current revelations, supposing it wasn't?
Supposing the contents of the files are squirreled away in the NOTW for instance, or with CM, thoughtfully provided for financial gain by some tame P.C.?
Maybe the content of these files is the beginning and indeed the root cause of the whole sorry story.
Just Imagine...
A wee toddler presents at a medical facility with suspicious injuries. Parents provide spurious explanations which don't hold water. Mandatory reporting follows and
Parents are registered. Child is tracked: any unexplained injury could result in criminal prosecution. Maybe it wasn't a once off. Maybe there is s litany of unexplained
Injuries on all three children and the parents felt the net was closing. Under such circumstances these parents could not afford another "accident" coming to light and
The desperate tactics of a faked abduction might seem preferable to delivering a child's body with (fatal) tell tale injuries.
This scenario would explain why medical records were buried, why Mrs. Macker flew into a panic of "hostility and aggression" when confronted with a bone-fide UK social worker,
Gerry's extreme reaction to being declared "arguido" ("We're finished!" Apparently the possibility of proving their innocence under trial didn't occur to him), David Payne's
Late night call to a UK child protection agency during the drama of May 3rd/4th. (Initially denied, finally admitted. Called it "'cos his sister had handed him the number".)
Any chance that the contents of these missing files might surface in current investigations?

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Post by pauline on 12.07.11 20:15

candyfloss wrote:She is currently on maternity leave.

The letter is dated 16th May 2008, how can KM have been on maternity leave. The twins would have been 3years and 3 months old at that date???


I suspect that should have read either 'compassionate leave' or 'on a career break,'

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Re: Gerald McCann: CATS system - registration number 19309

Post by Bebootje on 12.07.11 21:25

@nomendelta wrote:
Stella wrote:Are you referring to the David Payne and Gaspar statement, or something else. Key words will suffice?

No, not the Gaspar statements. Google what I said and you should see two or three examples of pretty much the same post by KaOssis. Long story short it alleges that a certain individual key to this case was convicted for very relevant charges in 2002 and that one of his mason buddies equipped to do so wiped the details but some records still exist. If there was any truth to this I would think that finding out what said individual was up to in 2002 would shed light on the matter.

This KaOssis says that the SIO, Operation Task, Main Crime Unit is where all the UK's paedophile data
files from Operation Ore are kept. Can that be confirmed???

By the way "peado" subject keeps popping up in this case. First brought up by GM himself though...

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Re: Gerald McCann: CATS system - registration number 19309

Post by Bebootje on 12.07.11 22:08

It is obviously a theory by someone called Sine on .
http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/09/05/peadophile-ring-with-link-to-madeleine-mccann-jailed/

WPC is pleased to announce that it has been awarded the contract to
support and maintain CATS – Case Administration and Tracking System
which currently has two modules – Child Protection and Domestic Abuse.
CATS can also be configured to record information about Vulnerable
Adults if required.
The CATS system was developed in the absence of a national database
for Child Protection, and in light of the recommendation in Lord
Laming’s Report into the death of Victoria Climbie that Chief Constables
must ensure that their police force has in use an effective Child
Protection database and IT management system. The Domestic Abuse module
was developed later to complement the Child Protection system.
System Benefits
• CATS gives police officers a much clearer picture of the child or
vulnerable person referred to them. The data collected in CATS can be
used to piece together vital information on family background of that
individual, helping the officer make more informed decisions.
• CATS may also be used to help identify previous accusations against
suspects offering further lines of investigation and valuable
information to help assess the safety of the vulnerable person. It may
also be used to help identify repeat offenders.
• Incidents go through a managed process, from a new referral to a
finalised incident. As a case is progressed, CATS validates the
information collected and ensures the case has visibility to the
relevant officers and staff members.
• Incident Reports can be generated for sharing of information between Police and Social Services.
• A full audit trail is available in CATS, which enables supervisors to monitor usage of the system.
• WPC has provided an online forum for users to download software
updates, find answers to frequently asked questions, and discuss usage
of the application.
The only way that files are emptied in the CATS system, is if the
persons held on that register have died and has no links to a paedophile
ring or organised child porn trafficking, or someone’s hacked into it,
and it’s a known fact that CEOP Jim Gamble had access to the CATS system
well before the McCann’s went to Praia, and also has a habit of
emptying crime files when he was in Northern Ireland’s Seriouos Crime
Sqad and has links to the IRA. Gamble is also suspected of manipulating
certain evidence during Operation Ore and Landslide, leading to the
posability that Gamble had been quite deliberate in the concealing the
identitys of ceertain persons, namely that of MP’s and Lords that used
their credit cards online to access illegal child porn prior to
Operation Ore.
Here is some background infomation of Operation Ore:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/Operation.Ore.Truth.Out.htm
In my opinion, Jim Gamble is in the business of protecting
paedophiles from exposure, and Operation Ore was an organised assult on
innnocent persons that had the same name’s of certain members of
Parliament that needed a scapegoat system that Gamble could easily
manipulate on the inside of the Law Enforcment system, especially in the
area of credit cards, as you know, Gerry McCann made a statement to the
PJ that he had never owned a credit card, but then we read on his blog
that he’d had his wallet containing his credit cards stolen just a
couple of weeks after he reported the abduction of his daughter
Madeleine while he was making a call from a London airport phone boothe,
which was then returned back to him less than 24 hours later still
containing his credit cards minus the specific photo of Madeleine Gerry
mentioned in his blog that his wallet contained, which I believe was
Gerry’s attempt at making up some excuse to cover up the use of his
credit cards for online porn sites and possibly accessing illegal child
porn.
There is also the fact that the UK Police forwarded a list of
visiting paedophiles in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s abduction at
the request of the PJ, but this list was withheld by the Cheif
Prosecutioner in Lisbon, and is still being wihheld today. I believe
that Gerry was on that list of UK paedophiles, due to his registration
in the CATS system (SIO, Operation TASK- a Main Crime Unit Operation
investigation of a cetain paedophile ring), and was associated with
other UK paedophiles/expats living and working in Portugal and Lisbon,
which had links to the Casa Pia Orphanage paedophile scandal, and also
links to Operation Landslide paedophile ring in the U.S.
Another rarely mentioned fact, conerned the father of Hollie Creig,
Denis Charles Mackie. Hollie was sexually abused not only by her father
for many year’s, but also by a Freemason ring of paedophiles in
Scotland. Elish Frances Angiolini QC, a Scottish lawyer who has served
in the political role of Lord Advocate in Scotland since 2006, prevented
any action being taken by the police and the Sheriff of persuing any
legal actions or arrests of any of the Freemason peasophiles mentioned
by Hollie in her statement and consequently allowed the main offender,
Denis Charles Mackie, also a Freemason member, to escape the country and
settle in Portugal the same month of the McCann’s holiday to Praia.
http://littlemorsals.blogspot.com/2010/02/deeply-upsetting-story-of-holly-grieg.html
There’s also these few facts to consider:
http://goodqualitywristbands.blogspot.com/2009/11/its-funny-old-world-dodgy-cops-edition.html
‘ Madeleine’s father hails UK police Friday, 13 Jul 2007 10:14
The father of missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann has praised the
“sterling work” of police officers and detectives in the UK.
Speaking at the National Police Federation annual bravery awards last
night, Gerry McCann said the role of police forces was “often not
appreciated until you really need their help”.’
The National Police Federation Anual Bravery Award that Gerry
attended was conducted at the Rothley ?Court Hotel, which just happened
to have a Freemason Lodge and chapel in it’s private grounds, no more
than 10 minutes walk from the McCann’s residence, and it was this Lodge
and Chapel that both Kate and Gerry attended for an early morning
meeting on the ’1000th day without Madeleine’ gala fund raising
celebrity dinner in London.
In light of the Wikileaks publication of the meeting between US
ambassador Al Hoffman and the British ambassador, Alexander Wykeham
Ellis, which took place a fortnight after Kate and Gerry McCann were
formally declared arguidos, or suspects, by Portuguese police. The
McCanns have stated that there was “absolutely no evidence to implicate
them in Madeleine’s disappearance whatsoever.”, sespite the fact that it
was the UK police that had compiled the evidence for the PJ, which I
believe included the SIO, Operation TASK CATS crime file on Gerry.
What one must ask onself is;
1: Why would Gerry be recieving a Bravery Award from the UK Police
Fedeeration whom were also compiling evidence against him for Homocide
at the same time ?
2: What was Gerry recieiving a Bravery Award for?
3: Why havn’t the McCann’s tried to sue DS Hughes, or DC Sound from
Leicesrtershire HQ for releasing Gerry’s SIO, Main Crime Unit –
Operation TASK, Child Sex Offenders file reference into the public
domain?
4: Where did Gerry get those CEOP Police ONLY training material on
how to interview suspects and parents of abducted and missing children
(seen in Gerrys office stationary files in a Portugese Official video of
the McCann’s 2nd holiday apartment – see xklamation’s channel, Youtube
for Official video), before the McCann’s were made El Guedos?
5: Why did Kate McCann refuse to answer 48 questions asked by the PJ
to aid in the search for her daughter is she was innocent of any
involvment in her abduction or construction of abduction?
6: Why did Gerry McCann deliberately lie to the PJ about his credit cards?
7: Why are the McCann’s actively seeking, representing, and speaking
for Madeleine Beth McCann the child when they have no legal parental
rights to do so?
If you can answer these questions, I’ed love to hear them, because as
far as I am concerned, the McCann’s are involved in a lot more than
just the abduction of just one child!

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Re: Gerald McCann: CATS system - registration number 19309

Post by frank zappa on 27.07.11 16:13

@Baronstu wrote:This may be a red herring.

Cartas Rogatorias Vol III
Page 26


Leicestershire Police Force

From: DC443 J.N. HUGHES
To: SIO, Operation Task
Department: Main Criminal Unit
Date: 16th May 2008

Ref: Background Information– Kate McCann


Dear Sirs,

In response to your letter of request, I can provide the following information regarding the above-mentioned subject.


Kate McCann was born on March 5, 1968 in Merseyside.
Her maiden name is Healy, which she still uses in her clinical practice.
She is the bearer of British passport number **************.

She lives with her husband and children at Orchard House, 5 The Crescent, Rothley, Leicestershire, LE7 7RW. The house is subject to a mortgage for the amount of GBP 323.493 with the Northern Rock bank.

There is no report or statement of bank credit cards listed in the research carried out. However I was alerted to the fact that if an individual maintains an account open with the same bank or credit card accounts for a long period of time, these details do not appear in this kind of search.

She works for the local NHS as a GP in Latham House, Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire. She is currently on maternity leave.

Her phone number is ******* and she has a T mobile phone number ********.
There is no record of either of her surnames on the National Police Computer.

The search reference is NE84/0053/4.

A check of the location of the crime and information system is negative.

Inquiries made of local social services are negative.

Searches made of the local section of child abuse investigation shows a registration number 19309 in CATS (system of action location). A consultation with the DC Soand from the department in question confirms that this is just a file reference, but as a complement to Operation Task system for the purpose of reference, if any investigation should be necessary by the department. No work has been done on the basis of this file.

An examination of all other police files using a search system does not reveal any information about her.

Submitted for your information.

So Kate was on maternity leave in may 2008? Am I correct in what I have just read here?

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Post by Guest on 27.07.11 18:07

I asked the same question too Frank. Surely that must be a mistake or a typo.

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Re: Gerald McCann: CATS system - registration number 19309

Post by Advocatus on 13.01.12 5:23

@Gillyspot wrote:Pro Mccanns are saying that the file was always empty but why make a file to leave it empty?

No way that would happen at the very least the visit(s) by Social Workers to the Mccanns house in Rothley would be in it.

As usual a Mccann cover up!


Impossible. By definition a computer file is just that, something containing data. If you go through all the hassle and rigmarole of multiple screens and passwords, just to open a file, i.e, CREATE a new file - and do nothing, leave it blank?


Why?


Nope, someone is covering up for GPM.

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Post by Advocatus on 13.01.12 5:25

@Gillyspot wrote:Suffolk Police state that "When a CATS investigation is allocated to an officer for investigation, they will ensure
that a detailed ‘initial investigation details and summary’ log will be completed.
This log entry should contain specific details of the allegation and the intended
course of action for the investigating officer."

http://www.suffolk.police.uk/NR/rdonlyres/0D2A0D35-D394-4459-8C47-71B287D11A02/0/CATSCaseAdministrationTrackingSystem.pdf

CATS is not just protecting children from paedophiles it is "Child Protection and Domestic Abuse" .

http://www.wpcsoft.com/products/CATS.html

So it is pretty clear there was something in this file at one time so the question is Who Removed It?


mi5/gchq signed off by someone at the top, HO, FO, PM, handler


ceops gamble level


hacker (no way)

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Post by Advocatus on 13.01.12 5:28

@ufercoffy wrote:
candyfloss wrote:She is currently on maternity leave.

The letter is dated 16th May 2008, how can KM have been on maternity leave. The twins would have been 3years and 3 months old at that date???

That bit jumped out at me too....


Stepford Wives, cloning....


makes as much sense as 19309 being blankety-blanked!

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Post by Advocatus on 13.01.12 5:33

@Gillyspot wrote:Particularly as she hadn't worked since around 27th April 2007 before the fateful holiday (so Mccann style maternity leave can last at least 3 1/2 years). Wonder if she is still on it. Interesting again that they couldn't pay the mortgage. Her wage alone was around £38k after tax.


Interesting, this woman has amazing powers, she can also pose femme fatale-like side-on best cheek fwd for a passport glamour shot (did GROVE do these, the same 'connosewer' photoman that did all the Maddie paedo-candy shots?), almost 45 degree angle, big no no no


whilst hubby gurns like an Orangutan on speed doing an impression of Ted Heath having a laugh


both passport photos approved, natch


btw if u did not know, all spys spooks these days use the same tactics


you see, it defeats digital enhanced cray computer-type realtime facial mapping/profiling as one goes through passport control


this is 101 stuff which SY should pick up on


now



if only ONE of these 2 jokers had a dodgy passport, ok


but two???? married??? kid missing??? biggest crime of the new millennium>>>>>>>>>>>??????????


i do not think so!!!


if i am right, and these 2 are either spooks in full control, or useful idiots mind controlled from way back to perform a mission NOW *well, 2007 onwards*, that means we are in the middle of another 911 psyops-type Tavistock/fabian production...





i am beginning to think these two may be MK victims, and have handlers, actually the more I think about it....


(MK is mind control - MK comes from the German phrase Mind Kontrolle, that's what all the Bourne and Bond movies are based upon, both are MK victims/agents, call them what you will..


Project Monarch: Nazi Mind Control - The Evolution of Project ...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/.../esp_sociopol_mindcon02.htm
by R Patton - Related articles
The hypothetical etymology of "MK" may possibly stand for "Mind Kontrolle." The obvious translation of the German word "Kontrolle" into English is "control.



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For other uses, see Mind control (disambiguation).

Mind control (also known as brainwashing, coercive persuasion, mind abuse, thought control, or thought reform) refers to a process in which a group or individual "systematically uses unethically manipulative methods to persuade others to conform to the wishes of the manipulator(s), often to the detriment of the person being manipulated".[1] The term has been applied to any tactic, psychological or otherwise, which can be seen as subverting an individual's sense of control over their own thinking, behavior, emotions or decision making.




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Project MKULTRA, or MK-ULTRA, was the code name for a covert, illegal CIA human experimentation program, run by the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence. This official U.S. government program began in the early 1950s, continued at least through the late 1960s, and used U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects.[1][2][3][4]

The published evidence indicates that Project MKULTRA involved the use of many methodologies to manipulate individual mental states and alter brain functions, including the surreptitious administration of drugs and other chemicals, hypnosis,[5] sensory deprivation, isolation, verbal and sexual abuse, as well as various forms of torture.

Project MKULTRA was first brought to wide public attention in 1975 by the U.S. Congress, through investigations by the Church Committee, and by a presidential commission known as the Rockefeller Commission. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MKULTRA files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms' destruction order.[6]

In 1977, a Freedom Of Information Act request uncovered a cache of 20,000 documents[7] relating to project MKULTRA, which led to Senate hearings later that same year.[2] In recent times most information regarding MKULTRA has been officially declassified.

Although the CIA insists that MKULTRA-type experiments have been abandoned, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti has stated in various interviews that the CIA routinely conducts disinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MKULTRA was abandoned a "cover story."[8][9]

On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:

The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an "extensive testing and experimentation" program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens "at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign." Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to "unwitting subjects in social situations." At least one death, that of Dr. Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers.[10]








The more i think about it the more KM looks like a Monarch victim, maybe GM the handler? 2nd thoughts no, he is just the huffnpuff alpha dog, he is far too out of control, tells, twitches, bursts of anger - if it carries on like this and I am right, it won't end well for either of them...

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Post by Pershing36 on 13.01.12 12:59

Is there no way somebody can request this is investigated? I mean IF the file has been 'hacked' then there is a very serious crime been committed and it is corruption at its worst.

I am also curious who requested the background check, was it in the original PJ documents?

I have a feeling that this is a something that was opened after 3rd May 2007. I really can't see how they would get employment in the NHS with that on their record.

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Post by jd on 13.01.12 13:30

whilst hubby gurns like an Orangutan on speed doing an impression of Ted Heath having a laugh

lol! This has made my day.....absolutely hilarious!!! love it! You are spot on
I must admit this was the 'strangest' looking passport photo I have ever seen. I always felt something weird about it but don't know what. If I was working at passport control and was presented with a photo like this it would certainly raise suspicions inside me

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Post by tigger on 13.01.12 13:35

@Advocatus wrote:
@Gillyspot wrote:Pro Mccanns are saying that the file was always empty but why make a file to leave it empty?

No way that would happen at the very least the visit(s) by Social Workers to the Mccanns house in Rothley would be in it.

As usual a Mccann cover up!


Impossible. By definition a computer file is just that, something containing data. If you go through all the hassle and rigmarole of multiple screens and passwords, just to open a file, i.e, CREATE a new file - and do nothing, leave it blank?


Why?


Nope, someone is covering up for GPM.

My theory in this is that a file may be created by one or two persons (for control) and can be 'handled' by just one person, but to delete the actual file, it may need two persons again. Otherwise I'm sure the file would no longer exist. It makes sense that one person could 'adjust' the file contents but extra security is in place for deleting a file, something I'm sure which doesn't happen often if at all.

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Post by Pershing36 on 13.01.12 13:52

Any computer system should have back up data somewhere in case of a major crash or destruction of the drives. These are quite often carried out by a third party and stored on their back up servers. In any which way the back up should not be kept anywhere near the original system server.

I bet somewhere there is a backup of this file and if it did hold any information it should still be in it.

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Post by tigger on 13.01.12 14:53

@Pershing36 wrote:Any computer system should have back up data somewhere in case of a major crash or destruction of the drives. These are quite often carried out by a third party and stored on their back up servers. In any which way the back up should not be kept anywhere near the original system server.

I bet somewhere there is a backup of this file and if it did hold any information it should still be in it.

Of course! Why didn't I think of that? you're a treasure.

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very dodgy

Post by russiandoll on 13.01.12 15:06

@tigger wrote:
@Pershing36 wrote:Any computer system should have back up data somewhere in case of a major crash or destruction of the drives. These are quite often carried out by a third party and stored on their back up servers. In any which way the back up should not be kept anywhere near the original system server.

I bet somewhere there is a backup of this file and if it did hold any information it should still be in it.

Of course! Why didn't I think of that? you're a treasure.


Given the reported events in May 2007, it would be usual imo for adults who aroused concerns over child neglect to have a file created. Nothing surprising in a couple being visited by social services child protection dept. given their story of leaving unattended children prior to an abduction.
So nothing to be concealed.
If a file was created for one but not both of them, it would appear it had nothing to do with events in May 07 and child neglect concerns.
Very interesting and lets hope any back up file is discovered.

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Post by Pershing36 on 13.01.12 16:02

If this had something to do with 3rd May I would have thought they would have been desperate to get that removed off their file. That could cause them real problems in employment.

I am also surprised how little their team have said, well nothing really it is just ignored.

Seems really rubbish system if the Police just create a folder with no explanation.

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Post by tigger on 13.01.12 16:15

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@Pershing36 wrote:Any computer system should have back up data somewhere in case of a major crash or destruction of the drives. These are quite often carried out by a third party and stored on their back up servers. In any which way the back up should not be kept anywhere near the original system server.

I bet somewhere there is a backup of this file and if it did hold any information it should still be in it.

Of course! Why didn't I think of that? you're a treasure.


Given the reported events in May 2007, it would be usual imo for adults who aroused concerns over child neglect to have a file created. Nothing surprising in a couple being visited by social services child protection dept. given their story of leaving unattended children prior to an abduction.
So nothing to be concealed.
If a file was created for one but not both of them, it would appear it had nothing to do with events in May 07 and child neglect concerns.
Very interesting and lets hope any back up file is discovered.

I don't agree, I'm afraid. They took care to have their childcare approved almost immediately by a tame outfit. If that file originated because of the 'abduction' when the protection was already in full swing, they would have been interrogated by British police and social workers in order to create the file and put the documents in it. No, it is far more likely that this file was already in existence and part of the reason for the whole charade was the existence of this file. I think all this started in 2006, in outline at least.
The possible earliest date of this file is 2002, according to a poster on MM. The probably date of removal of the contents was a few months before 3/07. We have: the apparent lack of money (payment of mortgage etc in June/July), the need to have Gerry's credit card at least temporarily in someone
else's possession. (this was also the excuse used during operation Ore, where quite a number of the accused said their cards were stolen or borrowed at times coinciding with visits to child porn sites - there's still a D notice on Operation Ore so wouldn't that be an interesting link!).
Both uncle Brian and brother John saying they were 'calling in favours' and use them. Something that sounds more like blackmail than a friend returning a favour, besides what friend wouldn't help freely in such a case?

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Re: Gerald McCann: CATS system - registration number 19309

Post by jd on 13.01.12 16:22

Ive read somewhere a few times that this file was created in 2002

there is more info and links here:

http://goodqualitywristbands.blogspot.com/2012/01/did-jim-gamble-sanitize-gerry-mccanns.html

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I'm confused Tigger.

Post by russiandoll on 13.01.12 17:16

I must have not communicated my thoughts very well as you and I are thinking along similar lines! I have read a few posts on other forums regarding this issue, from people thinking it is perfectly understandable that a file would be created for parents who admitted freely to leaving children unattended then one came to harm, [did not admit it, as that implies they were asked a question.... they actively brought "neglect" to everyone's attention].
I was saying here that there would be no reason to delete anything if this was standard social services procedure. I should have stated also that it is not a social services system but a police system for child protection [ isn't it? hope I am correct here]
I do not see how it could have been related to a social services visit that I believe was requested by the McCanns on their return to UK as has been suggested elsewhere.
Bottom line is, I never did believe this file was created for any reason to do with possible neglect in May 07. I too believe it was in existence before that date, maybe a long time before.
Wondering what you thought I was saying....but I was not disagreeing with people who find this file and deletion of contents suspicious....my post was titled DODGY after all !!

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Re: Gerald McCann: CATS system - registration number 19309

Post by Guest on 13.01.12 19:19

@jd wrote:Ive read somewhere a few times that this file was created in 2002

there is more info and links here:

http://goodqualitywristbands.blogspot.com/2012/01/did-jim-gamble-sanitize-gerry-mccanns.html

The registration number itself could provide a clue for anyone with access to the system. If the numbers are assigned automatically then the created date of the files with registration numbers either side of gerry's one would give you an approximate creation date for gerry's file. If SY had the will I'm sure they would be authorised to have access to the system...

That simple check could take their investigations in an entirely different direction if gerry's file was created before 3 may 07.


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Re: Gerald McCann: CATS system - registration number 19309

Post by Advocatus on 13.01.12 19:39

Stewie wrote:
@jd wrote:Ive read somewhere a few times that this file was created in 2002

there is more info and links here:

http://goodqualitywristbands.blogspot.com/2012/01/did-jim-gamble-sanitize-gerry-mccanns.html

The registration number itself could provide a clue for anyone with access to the system. If the numbers are assigned automatically then the created date of the files with registration numbers either side of gerry's one would give you an approximate creation date for gerry's file. If SY had the will I'm sure they would be authorised to have access to the system...

That simple check could take their investigations in an entirely different direction if gerry's file was created before 3 may 07.


Brilliant! My bet is all cases are date consecutive...

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Re: Gerald McCann: CATS system - registration number 19309

Post by Pershing36 on 13.01.12 19:56

Something weird here. The background information is dated 16th May 2008, over a year after Maddie went missing. Why did they only do a check then?

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Re: Gerald McCann: CATS system - registration number 19309

Post by Advocatus on 13.01.12 19:56

Stewie wrote:
@jd wrote:Ive read somewhere a few times that this file was created in 2002

there is more info and links here:

http://goodqualitywristbands.blogspot.com/2012/01/did-jim-gamble-sanitize-gerry-mccanns.html

The registration number itself could provide a clue for anyone with access to the system. If the numbers are assigned automatically then the created date of the files with registration numbers either side of gerry's one would give you an approximate creation date for gerry's file. If SY had the will I'm sure they would be authorised to have access to the system...

That simple check could take their investigations in an entirely different direction if gerry's file was created before 3 may 07.


I'm on a train getting jostled a bit, so hard to research, but it would be a good excersise surely for the MF to submit 2 FOI requests

For 19308 and 19310

See what dates of creation/filing, if any, are discovered?

It is alleged at quality wristbands that child abuses were recorded on 19309 on 2002

Where was GM working/studying back then

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