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Re: The wider agenda

Post by aquila on Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:30 pm

@tasprin wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Am I a "Hater" if I believe the Tapas 7 statements that the weather was cold, and do NOT believe Kay Burley that it was a warm evening
OR
Am I a "Hater" if I believe Kay Burley that the evening was warm and choose NOT to believe the Tapas 7

Am I a "hater if I believe that the curtains were wide open,
OR
am I a "Hater" if I believe they were tight closed.
In each case I have specifically to put aside what Kate said on the other occasion

OR am I just a "Hater" because I don't blindly accept the "Story of the Day"


The 'Look for Maddie' coloboma was only a 'fleck'; The Shutters weren't jemmied after all; Jane Tanner's Bundleman didn't really abduct Madeleine; The Fund to find her was used to sue a policeman; 'The Search' didn't answer the helpline or follow up leads. All good marketing ploys but the story, as told in May 2007, turned out to be pants. Labelling sceptical people as haters is another marketing ploy = We didn't tell the truth but you're a hater for questioning us.
Not attractive pants, not pants that at least capture the eye - just these pants big pink pants.  laughat 


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Re: The wider agenda

Post by Guest on Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:46 pm

@Judge Mental wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:I like the way he adds up his maths : investigation + fund = wider agenda.

What wider agenda?  Isn't this about finding maddie?

It is either about investigation or about fund - how can the two be co-related?

Why was he corelating fund to investigation?  Does it mean they'd meant this fund from the start for dodgy pi to keep up appearance, hence the wider agenda objective?

It is many years since one was at school and perhaps things have changed now, however to have a summative overview on the day where Gerald McCann had drawn up this mystical diagram, suggests something that would not be traditionally regarded as having had any intrinsic learning value at that point.  

Exactly.  A summative overview is one which assesses how successful a plan has been following it's conclusion. This plan is in the formative stage, Gerry himself states that the meeting was to discuss future campaign ideas.

His use of 'summative' is just another example of him erroneously trying to demonstrate his intellect. The thick fcuk.

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by Constablekid on Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:14 am

I wonder if 'Investigation' was first written as 'invest' and he later added the 'igation' bit on the end?

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Re: The wider agenda

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by Mirage on Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:26 am

@Constablekid wrote:I wonder if 'Investigation' was first written as 'invest' and he later added the 'igation' bit on the end?
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MayBE...?

Post by missbeetle on Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:13 am

I was surprised to see Our Lady of the Veins - Angelina Jolie - beat our Kate to a Damehood.

I fear that Gerry's penchant for polo shirts may be partly to blame.

I cannot take him seriously.


Meanwhile, check out this meritorious MBE'd martial artist...

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(Ssssnipped from the Daily Mail)

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by Cordelia on Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:28 am

Morning all, 

Whatever we think of the McCanns it has to be said that they have been in the spotlight for 7 years, managed to make millions of £'s , some to go to the Fund, deleted not fact and stated as fact , been interviewed around the World........yet STILL have managed to avoid an investigation for fraud and no suspicion of their involvment in Madeleine's disappearance , except in Forums and blogs.  Quite an acheivement , like the JonBenet case.

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by l'idiote on Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:46 am

Regarding the emphasis on the word (and images of a) 'Key'.

http://www.masonicdictionary.com/key.html

KEY
"The Key," says Doctor Oliver (Landmarks I, page 180), "is one of the most important symbols of Freemasonry. It bears the appearance of a common metal instrument, confined to the performance of one simple act. But the well-instructed brother beholds in it the symbol which teaches him to keep a tongue of good report, and to abstain from the debasing vices of slander and defamation." Among the ancients the key was a symbol of silence and circumspection; and thus Sophocles alludes to it in the Oedipus Coloneus (line 105), where he makes the chorus speak of "the golden key which had come upon the tongue of the ministering Hierophant in the mysteries of Eleusis-Callimachus says that the Priestess of Ceres bore a key as the ensign of her mystic office. The key was in the Mysteries of Isis a hieroglyphic of the opening or disclosing of the heart and conscience, in the kingdom of death, for trial and Judgment.

In the old instructions of Freemasonry the key was an important symbol, and Doctor Oliver regrets that it has been abandoned in the modern system. In the ceremonies of the First Degree, in the eighteenth century allusion is made to a key by whose help the secrets of Freemasonry are to be obtained, which key "is said to hang and not to lie, because it is always to hang in a brother's defense and not to lie to his prejudge." It was said, too, to hang "by the thread of life at the entrance, " and was closely connected with the heart, because the tongue "ought to utter nothing but what the heart dictates." And, finally, this key is described as being "composed of no metal, but a tongue of good report." In the ceremonies of the Masters Degree in the Adonhiramite Rite, we find this catechism (in the Recueil Précieu:, page 87):

What do you conceal?
All the secrets which have been intrusted to me.
Where do you conceal them?
In the heart.
Have you a key to gain entrance there?
Yes, Right Worshipful.
Where do you keep it?
In a box of coral which opens and shuts only with ivory teeth.
Of what metal is it composed?
Of none. It is a tongue obedient to reason, which knows only how to speak well of those of whom it speaks in their absence as in their presence.

All of this shows that the key as a symbol was formerly equivalent to the modern symbol of the "instructive tongue," which, however, with almost the same interpretation, has now been transferred to the Second or Fellow-Craft's Degree. The key, however, is still preserved as a symbol of secrecy in the Royal Arch Degree; and it is also presented to us in the same sense in the ivory key of the Secret Master, or Fourth Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. In many of the German Lodges an ivory key is made a part of the Masonic clothing of each Brother, to remind him that he should lock up or conceal the secrets of Freemasonry in his heart. But among the ancients the key was also a symbol of power; and thus among the Greeks the title of Kxeiaouxos or key-bearer, was bestowed upon one holding high office; and with the Romans, the keys are given to the bride on the day of marriage, as a token that the authority of the house was bestowed upon her; and if afterward divorced, they were taken from her, as a symbol of the deprivation of her office, Among the Hebrews the key was used in the same sense. "As the robe and the baldric," says Lowth (Israel, part ii, section 4), "were the ensigns of power and authority, so likewise was the key the mark of office, either sacred or civil." Thus in Isaiah (xxii, 22), it is said: "The key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulders; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open" Our Savior expressed a similar idea when he said to Saint Peter, "I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven." It is in reference to this interpretation of the symbol, and not that of secrecy, that the key has been adopted as the official jewel of the Treasurer of a Lodge, because he has the purse, the source of power, under his command.

- Source: Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by Cordelia on Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:48 am

Morning l'idiote



What do you conceal?
All the secrets which have been intrusted to me.
Where do you conceal them?
In the heart.
Have you a key to gain entrance there?
Yes, Right Worshipful.
Where do you keep it?
In a box of coral which opens and shuts only with ivory teeth.
Of what metal is it composed?
Of none. It is a tongue obedient to reason, which knows only how to speak well of those of whom it speaks in their absence as in their presence."




That's quite Poetic I remember the Lord Lucan case , who was supposed to have killed the Nannie, he disappeared without a trace, said to be
helped by Freemasons ,do you think they are that powerful ??

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by j.rob on Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:21 pm

Peter Wilmshurst, a cardiologist at the University Hospital of North Staffordshire and a campaigner on medical research fraud, said: “Mr Banerjee did awful things and only eight years after getting back on to the medical register he is rewarded with an MBE.
If you have got a record of misconduct going back to the late 1980s, you would have to do something very remarkable in the next eight years to deserve an award. But I have not heard of him doing anything.”


Quite.


I certainly don't want to trust my healthcare to a criminal.




http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/surgeon-made-mbe-last-week-was-struck-off-in-2002-for-research-fraud-9552928.html

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by j.rob on Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:24 pm

Peter Wilmshurst, a cardiologist and a campaigner on medical research fraud.



Now this is a man I would like to interview. 



Let's hope he doesn't get 'whooshed'.

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by j.rob on Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:37 pm

@ufercoffy wrote:



Are we any closer to knowing what this 'wider agenda' is yet?


Look at the loving, intense gaze that Gerry is bestowing on his new 'baby'. Almost as if he is in love. His eyes are positively caressing what he clearly thinks is a brilliant work of art.

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by Rasputin on Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:52 pm

The hounours system in This country has been an embarrassing sham for a long long time....A knighthood for riding a bike ? ...busfare home for losing your legs in service ...sickening .

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by j.rob on Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:00 pm

@Mirage wrote:
@Constablekid wrote:I wonder if 'Investigation' was first written as 'invest' and he later added the 'igation' bit on the end?
 big grin


Both the word INVEST and the word (LIT) IGATION are very apt.


If you look carefully, you can see that the word INVESTIGATION looks different on the top chart compared with the picture below. The top one looks more like is starts with QUEST or something. Knowing Gerry, I bet there are some hidden meanings and codes in here. He's like The Joker.

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by j.rob on Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:05 pm


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Re: The wider agenda

Post by j.rob on Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:09 pm

If Gerry's identical twin is THE JOKER.

Who is Kate's identical twin?

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by Markus 2 on Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:09 pm

LYING & COVERING UP IS EXPECTED OF A FREEMASON:
The Handbook of Freemasonry (page 183) says to Master Masons:

"You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons...and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him... It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations",You must conceal all the crimes of your brother Masons, except murder and treason,Not murder, was it.

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by Markus 2 on Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:25 pm

Re: The wider agenda
  l'idiote Today at 9:46 am
Regarding the emphasis on the word (and images of a) 'Key'.

http://www.masonicdictionary.com/key.html

KEY

"The Key," says Doctor Oliver (Landmarks I, page 180), "is one of the most important symbols of Freemasonry. It bears the appearance of a common metal instrument, confined to the performance of one simple act. But the well-instructed brother beholds in it the symbol which teaches him to keep a tongue of good report, and to abstain from the debasing vices of slander and defamation." Among the ancients the key was a symbol of silence and circumspection; and thus Sophocles alludes to it in the Oedipus Coloneus (line 105), where he makes the chorus speak of "the golden key which had come upon the tongue of the ministering Hierophant in the mysteries of Eleusis-Callimachus says that the Priestess of Ceres bore a key as the ensign of her mystic office. The key was in the Mysteries of Isis a hieroglyphic of the opening or disclosing of the heart and conscience, in the kingdom of death, for trial and Judgment.

And you have the key here around what appears to be   Kate s neck


I cannot copy that photo but it is on the first page of ,Madeline s makeup, thread Shocked

never going to happen is it .

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by Justformaddie on Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:52 pm

@j.rob wrote:
@ufercoffy wrote:



Are we any closer to knowing what this 'wider agenda' is yet?


Look at the loving, intense gaze that Gerry is bestowing on his new 'baby'. Almost as if he is in love. His eyes are positively caressing what he clearly thinks is a brilliant work of art.
Certainly nothing to do with maddie, not even her name  Sad

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by Markus 2 on Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:14 pm

interesting Idiote

The key, however, is still preserved as a symbol of secrecy in the Royal Arch Degree; and it is also presented to us in the same sense in the ivory key of the Secret Master, or Fourth Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. In many of the German Lodges an ivory key is made a part of the Masonic clothing of each Brother, to remind him that he should lock up or conceal the secrets of Freemasonry in his heart

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by SchrodingersBody on Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:39 pm

@PeterMac wrote:Am I a "Hater" if I believe the Tapas 7 statements that the weather was cold, and do NOT believe Kay Burley that it was a warm evening
OR
Am I a "Hater" if I believe Kay Burley that the evening was warm and choose NOT to believe the Tapas 7

Am I a "hater if I believe that the curtains were wide open,
OR
am I a "Hater" if I believe they were tight closed.
In each case I have specifically to put aside what Kate said on the other occasion

OR am I just a "Hater" because I don't blindly accept the "Story of the Day"
I've been on twitter.....It's the last one primarily, with bits of the others thrown in.

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by j.rob on Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:12 pm

Ad hominem attack. You label a person who is asking legitimate (and awkward) questions as a 'nutter', 'conspiracy theorist', 'hater', nasty person with evil thoughts.

And so on.

It's a bit like the witch hunt of old. Or the strategy whereby you got someone admitted to a loony bin, just to shut them up, discredit them and generally get them out of your evil way.

Whereas, quite often, the people making these kinds of ad hominem attacks are guilty of the very thing they are accusing their critics of.

It's a technique that is as old as the hills. 

Beloved of people who want to cover up negligence, bad behaviour, unprofessional behaviour, incompetence, dishonesty, corruption. And so on.

I've seen it again and again.

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by j.rob on Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:16 pm

McCann hater = McCann disbeliever. 

I am a McCann non-believer. 

Nothing to be ashamed of.

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by The Rooster on Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:16 pm

Gerry McCann and his use of jargon talk is all about elevating his ego in others peoples estimation. It bolsters his confidence and makes him feel sophisticated.  It's the classic tool of the bullshitter.  All for show.

Remember his less than convincing interview with Jeremy Paxman, the prick was all over the place trying to dance around with words and tripping up time and again..  ******* amateur!

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Re: The wider agenda

Post by j.rob on Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:20 pm

I love that interview. Paxman looked as though a very bad smell had arrived and he couldn't bear it. His body language was such a giveaway. He really looked disgusted.

In my opinion.

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