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THE PARENTS REPLIED THAT THE ONLY PLACES MADELEINE WOULD FREQUENT WERE THE BEACH AND THE POOL/PLAYGROUND AREA

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Post by skyrocket on 12.10.16 12:50

Why did the McCanns tell the GNR dog team, early on 4 May, that the only areas that Madeleine had frequented in Praia da Luz since their arrival on the 28 April were the beach and the pool area/playground? And yet, in their statements we are told that on the 28 April/29 April Madeleine walked to and from the Millenium Restaurant; and more significantly, that she walked to the mini club, located above the main OC reception, every day from Sunday 29 April. 
On the Sunday and Monday we are told that the Mc's walked Madeleine to and from the mini club via the road past the Baptista supermarket, then up/down Rua Direita. In his 10 May statement GM tells us that from Tuesday onwards they took a shorter route via the small car park outside block 6 and through the apartment complex. 
So, 3 times a day Madeleine walked one of the 2 routes with her parents and once a day she returned to the tapas area for high tea with the nannies, probably via the shortest route. And, for five days, she supposedly spent a good portion of her day in a room on the floor above main reception. So, why didn't either of the Mc's mention any of this to the dog handlers when they were asked specifically what areas Madeleine had frequented? 


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GNR_SNIFFER.htm



GNR Report

Subject: Report of Searches Related to the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann


Annex B. Report on the Sniffer Dog Search and Rescue Team


1. Methods used

The sniffer dog search and rescue team of the GNR was sent to Vila da Luz in the attempt of locating Madeleine McCann, aged four, of British nationality, who disappeared on the night of 3rd May, from apartment 5 A, Block 5 of the OC resort, the team was composed as follows:


Sargeant Silva - Dog: Timmy
Officer Cortez - Dog: Sacha
Officer Sousa - Dog: Kolly/Cookie
Officer Rosa - Dog: Oscar
Officer Martins - Dog: Fusco
Officer Fernandes - Dog: Rex/ Zarus


II Description

After arriving at the scene, the first three members of the team, the officers gathered some information from the girl's parents about the places they tended to frequent with the children during their stay in P da L up until now, the parents replied that the only areas that their daughter would frequent since their arrival, was Praia da Luz beach, always accompanied by babysitters and resort pool area, where there was also a playground.

After this, at about 08.00 the three search and rescue sniffer dog teams (Silva with Timmy, Cortez with Sacha and Sousa with Kolly and Cookie) who had arrived at the site, began searching, leaving the resort in the direction of the beach.

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What Areas,Madeleine walked to?

Post by willowthewisp on 12.10.16 14:26

Hi Skyrocket,wasn't it Block 6 where the GNR Police dogs signalled the"Scent"belonging to Madeleine faded,there was also note of a"Silver Coloured Car" in the vicinity on the reported day of Madeleine's disappearance?

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Re: THE PARENTS REPLIED THAT THE ONLY PLACES MADELEINE WOULD FREQUENT WERE THE BEACH AND THE POOL/PLAYGROUND AREA

Post by skyrocket on 12.10.16 15:22

@willowthewisp 

Yes, 2 of the GNR dogs came to a halt in the small parking area next to block 6 after having followed a path from 5A, left towards block 4, then down the path between blocks 4 and 5 to the wider pathway between the 2 blocks and the high wall of the tapas area, and then across the road. This only becomes significant if we rely on the fact that the items given to the GNR for the dogs to take a scent from (towel and blanket) had been used by Madeleine. I believe that the GNR were somewhat sceptical about this.

Off the top of my head I can't remember where the silver coloured car was parked up - was it in this car park or was it in the car park outside the front entrance of block 5?

Another point to consider is how on earth could the Mc's know all the areas the nannies took the minis to during the week, particularly if the club was based down in the main reception building? The club timetable clearly shows several indoor pool sessions as well as outdoor activities. Wouldn't you think that any reasonable response to the GNR should have included, 'You'd better check with the mini club for any other possible areas our daughter frequented.

Anyone would think that the Mc's weren't aware of the mini club's weekly activities .........

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Post by Verdi on 12.10.16 20:40

The brief exchange between the search and rescue team and the McCanns was informal, according to the files they asked the parents McCann about the 'places they tended to frequent with the children' during their stay in Praia da Luz.  The question and reply would have been through a translator, most probably Silvia Baptista, so who knows exactly what was said or wasn't said?

That aside, on the surface the McCanns answered truthfully - the pool area and the beach.

Q.  Tell us, where did you spend most of your time with your children?

A.  Around the pool and the beach, the rest of the time the children were either in the apartment or at the creche.

The route they took on any one occasion to get from A to B appears to me to be an irrelevance - why would they go into detail about pathways, car parks, staircases and whatever else?  The route between the apartment and the Millennium eatery has even less significance as they apparently only used the restaurant on one occasion and that was the day of arrival.  Why didn't they mention the visit to the Paynes apartment if you're going into detail of their every move.

Even if they did withhold information from the search and rescue team, what advantage would that be to their defence strategy? 

As to the McCanns temporary lucidity of demeanour at the time and the article handed over to the team for the dogs to get a whiff of Madeleine's scent - that does certainly raise an eyebrow or two - by far more worthy of question than an un-confirmed unofficial conversation by way of a translator, in my opinion.
 
The search and rescue team with their dogs were out looking for Madeleine, dead or alive.  Madeleine's scent was the important factor - if the McCanns wanted to lead them up the garden path (literally and metaphorically), all they needed to do was hand over an article they knew wouldn't assist with locating Madeleine by scent.

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Re: THE PARENTS REPLIED THAT THE ONLY PLACES MADELEINE WOULD FREQUENT WERE THE BEACH AND THE POOL/PLAYGROUND AREA

Post by skyrocket on 12.10.16 21:26

@Verdi - you can ignore the word 'only' if you like but the meaning in the GNR report is clear to me. It's a bit misleading including the reference to the creche and apartment in your post as there was clearly no mention of them by the Mc's. I disagree that the mini club is an irrelevance (I agree that failing to mention the Millenium Restaurant can be excused)- Madeleine spent the majority of every day at the mini club and (we are told) made 20 separate journeys to and from the club's location during the week. I also disagree that the exchange was informal - it wasn't a passing chat. The GNR dog team were planning search areas and the information the Mc's gave them would be used to help formulate the areas to concentrate on initially. 

I am still far from convinced that the mini club was sited above the main OC reception. Who knows why the Mc's failed to mention the club to the GNR but if the mini club was in fact in the tented creche in the tapas area and not above the reception, the Mc's response could be considered to make more sense. Perhaps the reply to the GNR's question was actually correct; perhaps Madeleine didn't make 20 journeys to and from the main OC reception building; perhaps a truth slipped out.

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Post by Verdi on 12.10.16 22:50

You're missing the point @skyrocket but never mind - it's not important. 

As I said, without knowing exactly what words passed between the search and rescue team and the McCanns, through the medium of a translator, it's a moot point anyway.

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Re: THE PARENTS REPLIED THAT THE ONLY PLACES MADELEINE WOULD FREQUENT WERE THE BEACH AND THE POOL/PLAYGROUND AREA

Post by G-Unit on 14.10.16 20:00

@skyrocket wrote:@Verdi - you can ignore the word 'only' if you like but the meaning in the GNR report is clear to me. It's a bit misleading including the reference to the creche and apartment in your post as there was clearly no mention of them by the Mc's. I disagree that the mini club is an irrelevance (I agree that failing to mention the Millenium Restaurant can be excused)- Madeleine spent the majority of every day at the mini club and (we are told) made 20 separate journeys to and from the club's location during the week. I also disagree that the exchange was informal - it wasn't a passing chat. The GNR dog team were planning search areas and the information the Mc's gave them would be used to help formulate the areas to concentrate on initially. 

I am still far from convinced that the mini club was sited above the main OC reception. Who knows why the Mc's failed to mention the club to the GNR but if the mini club was in fact in the tented creche in the tapas area and not above the reception, the Mc's response could be considered to make more sense. Perhaps the reply to the GNR's question was actually correct; perhaps Madeleine didn't make 20 journeys to and from the main OC reception building; perhaps a truth slipped out.



I have also had doubts about the Mini-Club being above the Main Reception area. Kirsty Maryan's group of 6-10 year olds were normally situated up near the Millenium, but she said;



The deponent further clarifies that the Junior group does not find itself subdivided from the other groups, in that, at this moment, there are not enough children that permit it; 

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KIRSTY-MARYAN.htm



There was also an article written by Bridget O'Donnell, Jeremy Wilkins' partner. On Friday 4th Mark Warner opened it's childcare facilities, but put all the children together at the 'tented' building in the Tapas area. Bridget doesn't mention the change of venue,
despite having a three year old who would normally be above Main Reception. She mentions this though;


We put their bags on the pegs and saw the one labelled "Madeleine". Heads bent, we walked away, into the guilty glare of the morning sun.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann



There should have been no peg labelled ''Madeleine'' there if she attended another venue all week.

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Post by Verdi on 14.10.16 20:48

Then read on..

The deponent further clarifies that the Junior group does not find itself subdivided from the other groups, in that, at this moment, there are not enough children that permit it;

Relative to the facts of the investigation the witness clarifies that in her daily schedule mentioned she only, on one occasion, had contact with Madeleine McCann, for about 30 minutes 'who was treated as Maddie' in that she had to substitute for her colleague, who, at that time, was responsible for the group whose name is Emma, as she had to go to the Tapas to take care of the refreshments of Madeleine's group. For this, the deponent had the charge of accompanying that group towards the beach until the MiniClub where they stayed for a few minutes, and from where they left for the restaurant, mentioned above, in order to have dinner. She clarifies that when Madeleine ate her food, her parents were close and accompanied her;

Questioned, she states that Madeleine McCann related to the group of children 'MiniClub' who are supervised by a colleague of hers, whose name is Amy, and who coordinates her workers, for who she only knows first names, Cat and Emma, employees who worked with the group during the week in question, from 29 April to 04 May, 2007;

Questioned, she states that the minor in questions appeared to her a calm child, happy, but quiet. States that Maddie was a very pretty child, notwithstanding, she did not stick out for this fact. However, she furthers that the same child, from what she saw, was a child who did stick out, precisely as she was calmer and shier that the others;

Questioned, she furthers that she had no contact with [Maddie's] parents;
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Bridgett O'Donnell's Guardian article 'My Months with Madeleine' (says it all) is even more prosaic than madeleine by KATE MCCANN and just about as believable.

Read it all again, think about it all again - consider Bridget O'Donnell and Jez Williams career backgrounds and the need for Warners to protect their image.  Kirsty Maryan's witness statement makes little or no sense - Bridget O'Donnell's self serving press article has no bearing on reality.

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Post by JRP on 15.10.16 11:48

Were the dogs really given Madeleine's scent? 
I just can't see, given everything else which was done to muddy the waters, that they would give dogs Madeleine's scent and say she went thataway.
If this item did have Madeleine's scent on it, then surely it had Madeleine's DNA on it also?

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Post by Verdi on 15.10.16 12:32

@JRP wrote:Were the dogs really given Madeleine's scent? 
I just can't see, given everything else which was done to muddy the waters, that they would give dogs Madeleine's scent and say she went thataway.
If this item did have Madeleine's scent on it, then surely it had Madeleine's DNA on it also?
I have my doubts.  Whether it was a blanket or a towel they handed over, surely something worn by Madeleine would have been more useful. 

Talking of which - I wonder what became of Madeleine's holiday wardrobe?  Is it all enshrined in the Rothley mansion along with nine years worth of unopened birthday and Christmas presents - or was it disposed of along with....?

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Post by G-Unit on 15.10.16 20:18

At 2.30am some GNR patrol dogs arrived from Portimao. One had some training in tracking, so his handler went to 5A and asked for something belonging to the child;

When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCann's apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the MCCann couple. The just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-LACAO.htm



Kate McCann confirms she handed out Madeleine's 'princess' blanket in 'Madeleine'


The dog followed the route on the picture below, marked in red and yellow. 


Trained tracker dogs were requested from Lisbon and arrived late evening on 4th;


- On the 4th of May of the current year, around 22H30, he was asked to use the dogs in conjunction with a search that attempted to retrace the steps taken by the missing minor. His role was to use the dogs' skills by allowing them to sniff a towel which had supposedly been used by the minor in question. 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PEDRO_ESTEVES.htm



Both of this handler's dogs followed the same route as the other dog;


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Post by Spacecowboy on 16.10.16 2:30

@JRP wrote:Were the dogs really given Madeleine's scent? 
I just can't see, given everything else which was done to muddy the waters, that they would give dogs Madeleine's scent and say she went thataway.
If this item did have Madeleine's scent on it, then surely it had Madeleine's DNA on it also?
Were the dogs really given Madeleine's scent?  Interesting question.

It's also interesting that the Daily Mirror and/ or Clarence Mitchell reported that the GNR tracker dogs followed this route -


If the GNR dogs were not given Madeleine's scent, why did the Daily Mirror report that the GNR dogs followed a totally different route to the route the GNR dogs actually followed posted by G-Unit above?

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Post by Verdi on 16.10.16 12:32

@Spacecowboy wrote:
If the GNR dogs were not given Madeleine's scent, why did the Daily Mirror report that the GNR dogs followed a totally different route to the route the GNR dogs actually followed posted by G-Unit above?
Because it's the 'Intelligent Tabloid' - hash tag madeuthink smilie ?

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Re:the Parents replied where Madeleine visited?

Post by willowthewisp on 16.10.16 13:24

@Verdi wrote:
@Spacecowboy wrote:
If the GNR dogs were not given Madeleine's scent, why did the Daily Mirror report that the GNR dogs followed a totally different route to the route the GNR dogs actually followed posted by G-Unit above?
Because it's the 'Intelligent Tabloid' - hash tag madeuthink smilie ?
Hi Verdi,was this the"Pink Blanket"that also disappeared never to be seen again,you know which would have had DNA from who had used the Blanket?

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Post by Nina on 16.10.16 14:10

@willowthewisp wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@Spacecowboy wrote:
If the GNR dogs were not given Madeleine's scent, why did the Daily Mirror report that the GNR dogs followed a totally different route to the route the GNR dogs actually followed posted by G-Unit above?
Because it's the 'Intelligent Tabloid' - hash tag madeuthink smilie ?
Hi Verdi,was this the"Pink Blanket"that also disappeared never to be seen again,you know which would have had DNA from who had used the Blanket?
The items bearing Madeleine's DNA and her scent would have been what she wore that day,particularly the underclothes, but these were never mentioned other than in the supposed last photograph.

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Post by G-Unit on 16.10.16 16:24

@willowthewisp wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@Spacecowboy wrote:
If the GNR dogs were not given Madeleine's scent, why did the Daily Mirror report that the GNR dogs followed a totally different route to the route the GNR dogs actually followed posted by G-Unit above?
Because it's the 'Intelligent Tabloid' - hash tag madeuthink smilie ?
Hi Verdi,was this the"Pink Blanket"that also disappeared never to be seen again,you know which would have had DNA from who had used the Blanket?
It was rumoured to have disappeared (by Amaral, I think). If it was given to the dog handler at 2.30am on 4th May, however, he is likely to have handed it back after his dog sniffed it. 

I'm basing that on the fact that the PJ cleared the apartment in order to take photos of it. That's likely to have been the last thing they did, and a pink blanket was on Madeleine's bed with cuddlecat in the photos. The two PJ officers left between 3.30am and 4am, when they locked the apartment and left the GNR guarding it.

The McCanns were allowed back in sometime on 4th to collect their belongings. There's a picture of them taking bags and cases, helped by Emma Knight. Kate is carrying cuddlecat but I can't see the blanket; the item carried by Gerry McCann seems too large.


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Post by sandancer on 16.10.16 20:32

The dogs were given the "princess " blanket , never seen again and a dubious towel that could have been used by any or all of them !
What about that lovely outfit she was wearing in the " last photo " ? Surely that would be lying around close at hand ?
Then strangely their clothes went to the laundry on Saturday 5th May , less than 48 after your daughter has been "abducted" and you can think clearly enough to send washing to the laundry ? 
Scent and DNA from these clothes could have been invaluable, but that didn't seem important did it ?

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Post by Verdi on 16.10.16 20:40

@willowthewisp wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@Spacecowboy wrote:
If the GNR dogs were not given Madeleine's scent, why did the Daily Mirror report that the GNR dogs followed a totally different route to the route the GNR dogs actually followed posted by G-Unit above?
Because it's the 'Intelligent Tabloid' - hash tag madeuthink smilie ?
Hi Verdi,was this the"Pink Blanket"that also disappeared never to be seen again,you know which would have had DNA from who had used the Blanket?
Along with the sports bag that did and then didn't exist?  I'm astonished that cuddlecat survived to tell the tale..

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Post by Verdi on 16.10.16 20:45

@sandancer wrote:The dogs were given the "princess " blanket , never seen again and a dubious towel that could have been used by any or all of them !
What about that lovely outfit she was wearing in the " last photo " ? Surely that would be lying around close at hand ?
Then strangely their clothes went to the laundry on Saturday 5th May , less than 48 after your daughter has been "abducted" and you can think clearly enough to send washing to the laundry ? 
Scent and DNA from these clothes could have been invaluable, but that didn't seem important did it ?
Let's not forget the washing machine load that was sitting there, according to life friend Jon Corner, just prior to the inopportune visit to Villa McCann, by Messrs Eddie and Keela - the wonder dogs.

Let's not forget the fright displayed by the British diplomatic corps. when Goncalo Amaral had the audacity to request items belonging to the McCann family.

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Post by Nina on 17.10.16 12:32

@G-Unit wrote:
@willowthewisp wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@Spacecowboy wrote:
If the GNR dogs were not given Madeleine's scent, why did the Daily Mirror report that the GNR dogs followed a totally different route to the route the GNR dogs actually followed posted by G-Unit above?
Because it's the 'Intelligent Tabloid' - hash tag madeuthink smilie ?
Hi Verdi,was this the"Pink Blanket"that also disappeared never to be seen again,you know which would have had DNA from who had used the Blanket?
It was rumoured to have disappeared (by Amaral, I think). If it was given to the dog handler at 2.30am on 4th May, however, he is likely to have handed it back after his dog sniffed it. 

I'm basing that on the fact that the PJ cleared the apartment in order to take photos of it. That's likely to have been the last thing they did, and a pink blanket was on Madeleine's bed with cuddlecat in the photos. The two PJ officers left between 3.30am and 4am, when they locked the apartment and left the GNR guarding it.

The McCanns were allowed back in sometime on 4th to collect their belongings. There's a picture of them taking bags and cases, helped by Emma Knight. Kate is carrying cuddlecat but I can't see the blanket; the item carried by Gerry McCann seems too large.

Gerry is carrying something pink and not much else.

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Post by sandancer on 17.10.16 13:34

Gerry seems to be carrying what looks like a coat/jacket .
I see the famous/infamous Cuddlecat is already on display, now he could have been given to the dogs to sniff couldn't he after all he was Madeleine's favourite she never went to bed without him did she ! 
Sadly dogs and cats don't seem to get on do they, Eddie certainly paid him a great deal of attention later ! 
But then Eddie was unreliable , unlike the tracker dogs who did their best with the limited assistance they were given !

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Post by roz on 26.12.16 14:04

They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.



Silvia Maria Correia Ramos Batista

Date/Time: 2007/05/07 11H20
Maintenance Services Director
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At the request of Kate she (the witness) to remove their puppets drink and a blanket that she took to the first floor flat. Only the mattresses remained.


I wonder were the Pj given Amelia's blanket.

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