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"Four witnesses confirm Madeleine was alive at 5.30pm on Thursday 3rd May - so, shut up anyone who thinks the evidence says otherwise" - Blacksmith and an especially vicious attack on Lizzy HideHo

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Re: "Four witnesses confirm Madeleine was alive at 5.30pm on Thursday 3rd May - so, shut up anyone who thinks the evidence says otherwise" - Blacksmith and an especially vicious attack on Lizzy HideHo

Post by Verdi on 14.10.16 12:22

@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:So that makes both Charlotte Pennington & Catriona Baker as connected and quite probably know to the McCanns prior to going to PdL. These things were not accident nor coincidence in my opinion.
Apart from the already identified links between Catriona Baker and the McCanns, it must be remembered that the McCanns specifically named her as a key witness to be re-interviewed as part of the rogatory process.  Why would that be I ask, if she wasn't already known to the McCann family?  According to the record of events, Madeleine did not disappear from the creche nor could she have had enough contact with the parents to assess their characters - I venture to suggest she must have been known to the McCanns - what other explanation could there be?

Charlotte Pennington's various accounts take more twists and turns than spaghetti junction.  A fantasist of the highest order, an opportunist, hailed from the Antipodes and claiming a career path almost as unbelievable as her tales of 'Maddie'.

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Re; Four Witness's ?

Post by willowthewisp on 14.10.16 12:30

Hi Verdi,did DCI Andy Redwood not (Obfuscate closely)verify facts from the statement by Catriona Baker as to last time that(Catriona)proposed to have been with Madeleine at the Creche 3 May 2007?

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Re: "Four witnesses confirm Madeleine was alive at 5.30pm on Thursday 3rd May - so, shut up anyone who thinks the evidence says otherwise" - Blacksmith and an especially vicious attack on Lizzy HideHo

Post by Tony Bennett on 14.10.16 14:38

@willowthewisp wrote:Hi Verdi, did DCI Andy Redwood not (Obfuscate closely) verify facts from the statement by Catriona Baker as to last time that (Catriona) proposed to have been with Madeleine at the Creche 3 May 2007?
I am not aware of any statement by DCI Redwood about the last time that Catriona Baker had been with Madeleine at the crèche (or the high tea).

But if he DID ever refer to that, how could he 'verify' those 'facts'?

Surely only by a rigorous questioning of the McCanns, Catriona Baker and Charlotte Pennington, plus anyone else in a position to verify where Madeleine was that afternoon?

Here is another specific point about that 'high tea'.

The 'high tea' was supposed to have been attended by all the parents of the children who attended it. Can you, or anyone else, point me to any other parent who has made a statement saying, clearly: "Yes, I was at that high tea and I remember seeing Kate & Gerry and Madeleine and the twins at the high tea"?  I also wonder if any of them could remember seeing Madeleine "pale", "worn out" and "so exhausted", as claimed by Kate McCann ('madeleine', Kate McCann, hardback, pp. 66-7).

For that matter, can anyone remember seeing Kate "carrying Madeleine" ('madeleine', p. 67), whilst, she alleges, Gerry calmly walked up to the apartment beside her, the twins apparently walking there with him. Madeleine would have weighed 2-3 stone (15-18kg). Did Kate really carry Madeleine whilst Gerry did not?

Honestly, the burden of proof is surely on anyone left who is prepared to say that this high tea actually happened, given the contradictions and convenient changes of story that surround it.

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Re: "Four witnesses confirm Madeleine was alive at 5.30pm on Thursday 3rd May - so, shut up anyone who thinks the evidence says otherwise" - Blacksmith and an especially vicious attack on Lizzy HideHo

Post by JRP on 14.10.16 18:20

Certain things which took place over the week make more sense if you factor in a relationship between Cat Nanny and the Macs.
Without wanting to go off on a tangent, it would answer the creche sheet fiasco, the sailing discrepancies and the high tea no tea debate. 

Just a thought.

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Re: "Four witnesses confirm Madeleine was alive at 5.30pm on Thursday 3rd May - so, shut up anyone who thinks the evidence says otherwise" - Blacksmith and an especially vicious attack on Lizzy HideHo

Post by aquila on 14.10.16 18:26

Would someone remind the forum how quickly the nannies were removed from PdL and placed elsewhere?

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Re: "Four witnesses confirm Madeleine was alive at 5.30pm on Thursday 3rd May - so, shut up anyone who thinks the evidence says otherwise" - Blacksmith and an especially vicious attack on Lizzy HideHo

Post by NickE on 14.10.16 20:35

@aquila wrote:Would someone remind the forum how quickly the nannies were removed from PdL and placed elsewhere?
I asked a pro McCann shill (Amy T?) why they were removed from PdL and she said "because of harassments from the locals"
IMO a very bad lie I do not believe for a second.

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Re: "Four witnesses confirm Madeleine was alive at 5.30pm on Thursday 3rd May - so, shut up anyone who thinks the evidence says otherwise" - Blacksmith and an especially vicious attack on Lizzy HideHo

Post by Tony Bennett on 14.10.16 22:25

@JRP wrote:Certain things which took place over the week make more sense if you factor in a relationship between Cat Nanny and the Macs.
Without wanting to go off on a tangent, it would answer (1) the creche sheet fiasco, (2) the sailing discrepancies and (3) the high tea / no high tea debate. 

Just a thought.
thumbsup  Agreed - that's exactly right.

And I fully agree with @ NickE's observation on Amy Tierney...and her story about how she allegedly ran off those 6" x 4" pics of Madeleine after midnight for the police wasn't exactly convincing either, was it? As many holes as a colander.

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Re: "Four witnesses confirm Madeleine was alive at 5.30pm on Thursday 3rd May - so, shut up anyone who thinks the evidence says otherwise" - Blacksmith and an especially vicious attack on Lizzy HideHo

Post by April28th on 14.10.16 22:53

From Charlotte Pennington's interview (the closest thing to reliable when it comes to her):

'She advised the aforementioned individual that no one had told them of the disappearance, who she believed by the name given, was Madeleine, also for the reason that Amy contacted via telephone her supervisor, Lyndsay, who informed her that Madeleine had indeed disappeared'


Lindsay Johnston's account of that call:


'She indicates that on May 3rd 2007, at around 10.20pm, she was informed by her colleague Amy T. that Madeleine McCann had disappeared.'


Quite uniquely Amy had received a call at 19:03 from the Dolfino phonebox. Might that call have had something to do with her implied foresight?

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