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Post by MayMuse on 15.09.16 13:23

@TonyBennett said 

The mass flights out from the UK by folk from Mark Warner, Bell Pottinger and others the very day after Madeleine was reported missing at 10.00pm the previous night is highly suspicious


I agree, and how could the Herald article on the 4th ( see my earlier post) know that Mayhew was flying out that very afternoon? Surely due to printing time etc this seems rather far fetched that they could let the public know that same day? So they must have known in advance, due to printing time and distribution? How much in advance would they have needed? 
And where did they get their information from? 

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Post by willowthewisp on 15.09.16 13:28

Hi Verdi,Do you not think it some what strange that the person responsible for overseas management on behalf of Mark Warner Company,(Craig Mayhew)was not already on site present for the start of a new Holiday Season,be it a little early,April-May 2007?

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Post by willowthewisp on 15.09.16 13:35

Hi Verdi,Do you not think it some what strange that the person responsible for overseas management on behalf of Mark Warner Company,(Craig Mayhew)was not already on site present for the start of a new Holiday Season,be it a little early,April-May 2007?
Bluebags, post seems to suggest London Based,but overall responsibility for three components of Mark Warner,one was Sun,Alpine plus one other region?

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Doug D on 15.09.16 13:40

Bluebag:
 
‘His name isn't on the list for 5th of May either or any time after.’
 
Yes it is. Little doubt in my mind that ‘Mahye’ is Mayhew.
 
Alan Pike booked in under folio 33782
 
‘Mahye’ booked in under 33781
 
None of the other folio numbers come near those and are likely to have been booked some time before (ie holiday bookings)
 
List for 6th May shows:
 
33791 ‘Alex’
 
33792 ‘David’
 
33793 ‘Kuri’
 
‘Mayhe’ does still appear
 
7th
 
33800 Hubbard
 
‘Mayye’ now has (Staff) annotation, as do Alex, David & Kuri
 
…………………………………
 
Maymuse:
 
…David Hopkins…..?
 
 Again an assumption, but ‘David’ fits the bill.
 
……………………………………..
 
Verdi:
 
‘It seems rather odd to me that one of Warners top men from the UK would travel cattle-class on a Warners charter flight’
 
We don’t have any information as to what flights they came in on as far as I can see.

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Post by MayMuse on 15.09.16 13:48

@Doug D wrote:Bluebag:
 
‘His name isn't on the list for 5th of May either or any time after.’
 
Yes it is. Little doubt in my mind that ‘Mahye’ is Mayhew.
 
Alan Pike booked in under folio 33782
 
‘Mahye’ booked in under 33781
 
None of the other folio numbers come near those and are likely to have been booked some time before (ie holiday bookings)
 
List for 6th May shows:
 
33791 ‘Alex’
 
33792 ‘David’
 
33793 ‘Kuri’
 
‘Mayhe’ does still appear
 
7th
 
33800 Hubbard
 
‘Mayye’ now has (Staff) annotation, as do Alex, David & Kuri
 
…………………………………
 
Maymuse:
 
…David Hopkins…..?
 
 Again an assumption, but ‘David’ fits the bill.
 
……………………………………..
 
Verdi:
 
‘It seems rather odd to me that one of Warners top men from the UK would travel cattle-class on a Warners charter flight’
 
We don’t have any information as to what flights they came in on as far as I can see.
Yes,  looking at that and the folio number it seems to run in sequence, David could be the David Hopkins. Why log just the names singular, either by their first name or surname? Why not their full names? Is this because whoever wrote the log knew who they were so no need and to distinguish as they do the "holiday makers" ?

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Post by Doug D on 15.09.16 13:56

I would suggest it's more likely that a phone call was received from Head Office, London asking them to book rooms for 'David, Kuri, & Alex' which is precisely what they did.

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Post by BlueBag on 15.09.16 14:04

@Tony Bennett wrote:

Yes, now that we've established that Craig Mayhew was actually the Director of Resort Operations and Transportation for Mark Warmer, and not a mere 'bag-carroer', the issue of when he was told to fly out to Praia da Lu, and when he actually did so, become very important.

The mass flights out from the UK by folk from Mark Warner, Bell Pottinger and others the very day after Madeleine was reported missing at 10.00pm the previous night is highly suspicious
Less than 24 hours after and possibly as little as 12 hours or less after.

Mark Warner... is plausible.... however Bell Pottinger top crisis manager person.... I'm struggling.

It could not be deemed a corporate crisis at that stage.

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Post by willowthewisp on 15.09.16 14:18

Hi Bluebag,Bellpottinger just so happened to have been in the Prai Da Luis area offering early summer discounts on"Crisis Management"Thesis from 21 April-28 April 2007,then had to Fly back to London to put the"Theory"Management Crisis into effect,Receiving £500,000 pounds from the "Find Madeleine Fund"to keep the Missing Madeleine story in the headlines for a minimum of Twelve Months,aka Leveson Inquiry,Ker Ching,double Bubble for one Job!?

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Post by BlueBag on 15.09.16 15:07

Are you saying Alex Woolfall was already there or flew out from London on 4th May?

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Post by Verdi on 15.09.16 15:16

@MayMuse wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@MayMuse wrote:So, where is David Hopkins the managing director of MW as it was said that he flew out too and was present with the McCanns on an interview when they stated that the French doors were left unlocked? 

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MARK_WARNER.htm

ROBIN CROSSLAND (The Administrator of the resort)
Robin Crossland, the administrator of the resort said he had been present when the McCanns were first interviewed by police soon after Maddy vanished. "They clearly said that they had left the French windows unlocked as they were using them to access the apartment to check on the children throughout their meal," he said.
Yes Robin Crossland (administrator) stated that I misread BUT David Hopkins (Manageing Director) FLEW to PDL .. See files.
When did he?
I'm not entirely sure David Hopkins did in fact fly out to Portugal, I don't know where this information featured on Pamalam's blog comes from.  I suspect it's from a press report in which case it can be viewed as questionable - the press are not known for attention to detail or accuracy.

Still, whether he did or didn't, I think there was enough senior personnel from various organisations in attendance on 4th/5th May and the following week to arouse suspicion and/or curiosity.  The PJ investigation had hardly got off the ground, Madeleine could have been found at any time, yet there they were, gathering at top speek like a pack of hungry wolves. 

IF Madeleine did disappear on the night of 3rd May 2007, as claimed by her parents and their adherents, it appears very strange that all these bigwigs arrived at the Ocean Club within hours.  If however, she disappeared sometime prior to the night of 3rd May 2007, then matters become more understandable..

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Verdi on 15.09.16 15:28

@Doug D wrote:
Verdi:
 
‘It seems rather odd to me that one of Warners top men from the UK would travel cattle-class on a Warners charter flight’
 
We don’t have any information as to what flights they came in on as far as I can see.
Granted, I admit I was making an assumption based on the fact that this name, which has presumed to be an anagram of Mayhew, is listed as being a Mark Warner client and thus grouped with the rest of Warner guests booked for the period.

Hopefully @April28th will be able to join the dots.

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by MayMuse on 15.09.16 15:32

@Verdi wrote:
@MayMuse wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@MayMuse wrote:So, where is David Hopkins the managing director of MW as it was said that he flew out too and was present with the McCanns on an interview when they stated that the French doors were left unlocked? 

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MARK_WARNER.htm

ROBIN CROSSLAND (The Administrator of the resort)
Robin Crossland, the administrator of the resort said he had been present when the McCanns were first interviewed by police soon after Maddy vanished. "They clearly said that they had left the French windows unlocked as they were using them to access the apartment to check on the children throughout their meal," he said.
Yes Robin Crossland (administrator) stated that I misread BUT David Hopkins (Manageing Director) FLEW to PDL .. See files.
When did he?
I'm not entirely sure David Hopkins did in fact fly out to Portugal, I don't know where this information featured on Pamalam's blog comes from.  I suspect it's from a press report in which case it can be viewed as questionable - the press are not known for attention to detail or accuracy.

Still, whether he did or didn't, I think there was enough senior personnel from various organisations in attendance on 4th/5th May and the following week to arouse suspicion and/or curiosity.  The PJ investigation had hardly got off the ground, Madeleine could have been found at any time, yet there they were, gathering at top speek like a pack of hungry wolves. 

IF Madeleine did disappear on the night of 3rd May 2007, as claimed by her parents and their adherents, it appears very strange that all these bigwigs arrived at the Ocean Club within hours.  If however, she disappeared sometime prior to the night of 3rd May 2007, then matters become more understandable..
..No reason to question Pamalams site... see Dougd post... ref lists of names, makes sense.  
Albeit I believe he flew out, what matters is that there was a plethora of people from MW (& the media) who gathered in PDL pretty smart-ish! 
I can understand to a degree, MW personnel probably to ensure they were not liable i.e. that they were to blame in anyway?
The reporting via different news aspects, was indeed very early in Madeleines disappearance. 
My questions are not just why but how they and/or information reached so fast? 

From what source... Clarence wasn't around then was he?

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Post by Nina on 15.09.16 17:10

And as an aside, booking a flight, travelling to the airport to arrive 2 hours before take off, then the flight itself all takes time.

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Post by Doug D on 15.09.16 18:10

Snipped:


Another puzzle about Alex Woolfall, recalled Gerry, was why he told ‘The Times’ that he had flown out to Praia da Luz on Saturday 5th May when, in fact, he had flown out on Friday 4th May, the day after Madeleine had disappeared.
 
In order for Woolfall to arrive on the Friday, the management team at Mark Warners in Praia da Luz – and presumably their headquarters – would have had to demand Woofall’s presence in Praia da Luz almost immediately. Gerry wondered why there had been such a rush to fly Woolfall out. Was it because Mark Warners feared the consequences of it being confirmed that a young child had been abducted from their complex? Gerry recalled that initially, in the first hours after Madeleine had disappeared, John Hill, Mark Warners’ manager at Praia da Luz, had cast doubt as to whether any abduction had actually taken place. He had soon changed his mind, thank goodness.
 
It had been at 10.00pm on Friday 4th May – exactly 24 hours’ after Madeleine had been reported missing – when Gerry had so courageously spoken to the press. This was how Woolfall had described it in his article in ‘The Times’ on 6th October 2007:
“I met the couple for the first time at their new apartment. [The McCanns] were behaving exactly as I thought someone in that situation would be behaving. They had not slept. They were exhausted and despairing but thinking, ‘Should we go outside and say something that might get her back?’ They said they wanted to head downstairs and talk to the media. They were very tired, but that was one thing they were determined to do. So I went out to alert journalists and returned to the McCanns. They wrote down what they wanted to say and went out and gave a short statement. After that, they were completely spent. You could tell there was nothing left”.
Gerry himself had described the occasion in a Vanity Fair article published on 10 January 2008: “The day after Madeleine was abducted, as Kate and I left the police station, there were 150 journalists in front of it. Alex Woolfall explained to me that either I interact with the media or we would be hounded by the press”.
He momentarily noted that he and Alex Woolfall were not quite singing from the same hymn sheet on this issue. Woolfall had said it was him and Kate who were wanting to make a statement, he realised, whereas Gerry had maintained that it was Woolfall who had pushed him into making a statement.
He let out a momentary sigh.
But, as always, he had told the truth. It was indeed Woolfall who had persuaded them into making that statement to the press. So Woolfall had got it wrong by claiming that he and Kate had been pushing to make a statement.
   
And, strangely, Woolfall had also got it wrong in stating, as he had done more than once, that he had flown out to Praia da Luz ‘36 hours’ after Madeleine disappeared, on 5th May.


http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/12/chapter-4-the-woolfall-puzzle/

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Post by MayMuse on 15.09.16 18:57

@Doug D wrote:Snipped:


Another puzzle about Alex Woolfall, recalled Gerry, was why he told ‘The Times’ that he had flown out to Praia da Luz on Saturday 5th May when, in fact, he had flown out on Friday 4th May, the day after Madeleine had disappeared.
 
In order for Woolfall to arrive on the Friday, the management team at Mark Warners in Praia da Luz – and presumably their headquarters – would have had to demand Woofall’s presence in Praia da Luz almost immediately. Gerry wondered why there had been such a rush to fly Woolfall out. Was it because Mark Warners feared the consequences of it being confirmed that a young child had been abducted from their complex? Gerry recalled that initially, in the first hours after Madeleine had disappeared, John Hill, Mark Warners’ manager at Praia da Luz, had cast doubt as to whether any abduction had actually taken place. He had soon changed his mind, thank goodness.
 
It had been at 10.00pm on Friday 4th May – exactly 24 hours’ after Madeleine had been reported missing – when Gerry had so courageously spoken to the press. This was how Woolfall had described it in his article in ‘The Times’ on 6th October 2007:
“I met the couple for the first time at their new apartment. [The McCanns] were behaving exactly as I thought someone in that situation would be behaving. They had not slept. They were exhausted and despairing but thinking, ‘Should we go outside and say something that might get her back?’ They said they wanted to head downstairs and talk to the media. They were very tired, but that was one thing they were determined to do. So I went out to alert journalists and returned to the McCanns. They wrote down what they wanted to say and went out and gave a short statement. After that, they were completely spent. You could tell there was nothing left”.
Gerry himself had described the occasion in a Vanity Fair article published on 10 January 2008: “The day after Madeleine was abducted, as Kate and I left the police station, there were 150 journalists in front of it. Alex Woolfall explained to me that either I interact with the media or we would be hounded by the press”.
He momentarily noted that he and Alex Woolfall were not quite singing from the same hymn sheet on this issue. Woolfall had said it was him and Kate who were wanting to make a statement, he realised, whereas Gerry had maintained that it was Woolfall who had pushed him into making a statement.
He let out a momentary sigh.
But, as always, he had told the truth. It was indeed Woolfall who had persuaded them into making that statement to the press. So Woolfall had got it wrong by claiming that he and Kate had been pushing to make a statement.
   
And, strangely, Woolfall had also got it wrong in stating, as he had done more than once, that he had flown out to Praia da Luz ‘36 hours’ after Madeleine disappeared, on 5th May.


http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/12/chapter-4-the-woolfall-puzzle/
Thanks Dougd...Added last part of chapter as think may be significant as to the disparities surrounding;

And, strangely, Woolfall had also got it wrong in stating, as he had done more than once, that he had flown out to Praia da Luz ‘36 hours’ after Madeleine disappeared, on 5th May. Well, he was an old man. In his fifties, anyway. Perhaps his memory was beginning to go.
And there was a third thing that had puzzled him about Woolfall’s pronouncements. In the article in ‘The Times’, Woolfall had claimed that ‘during the first two weeks, the McCanns were not considering abduction and only started to consider this as an option as I was leaving two weeks later’. He’d added: “They gave no indication that they thought she had been snatched, let alone by a paedophile. Their early assumption was that she had wandered off and had an accident or been taken in by a well-meaning stranger. Certainly I did not hear any discussion that this could be a paedophile or an aggravated robbery. All the time I was around, it was whether she could have wandered off or somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent”.
He’d even added: “During the first 48 hours, the word being used was ‘missing’ rather than ‘abducted’ or any link with a paedophile or any sort of crime. Towards the end of the second week I detected a shift towards there being a consciousness that she had probably been taken rather than wandered off, just on the assumption that anybody would have found her by now”.
Gerry’s recollection again differed greatly from Wollfall's






Edit. I wonder why Kate felt it necessary to point out these discrepancies ? 

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Verdi on 15.09.16 20:03

@MayMuse wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@MayMuse wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@MayMuse wrote:So, where is David Hopkins the managing director of MW as it was said that he flew out too and was present with the McCanns on an interview when they stated that the French doors were left unlocked? 

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MARK_WARNER.htm

ROBIN CROSSLAND (The Administrator of the resort)
Robin Crossland, the administrator of the resort said he had been present when the McCanns were first interviewed by police soon after Maddy vanished. "They clearly said that they had left the French windows unlocked as they were using them to access the apartment to check on the children throughout their meal," he said.
Yes Robin Crossland (administrator) stated that I misread BUT David Hopkins (Manageing Director) FLEW to PDL .. See files.
When did he?
I'm not entirely sure David Hopkins did in fact fly out to Portugal, I don't know where this information featured on Pamalam's blog comes from.  I suspect it's from a press report in which case it can be viewed as questionable - the press are not known for attention to detail or accuracy.

Still, whether he did or didn't, I think there was enough senior personnel from various organisations in attendance on 4th/5th May and the following week to arouse suspicion and/or curiosity.  The PJ investigation had hardly got off the ground, Madeleine could have been found at any time, yet there they were, gathering at top speek like a pack of hungry wolves. 

IF Madeleine did disappear on the night of 3rd May 2007, as claimed by her parents and their adherents, it appears very strange that all these bigwigs arrived at the Ocean Club within hours.  If however, she disappeared sometime prior to the night of 3rd May 2007, then matters become more understandable..
..No reason to question Pamalams site... see Dougd post... ref lists of names, makes sense.  
Albeit I believe he flew out, what matters is that there was a plethora of people from MW (& the media) who gathered in PDL pretty smart-ish! 
I can understand to a degree, MW personnel probably to ensure they were not liable i.e. that they were to blame in anyway?
The reporting via different news aspects, was indeed very early in Madeleines disappearance. 
My questions are not just why but how they and/or information reached so fast? 

From what source... Clarence wasn't around then was he?
Initially I was specifically replying to your lone post about David Hopkins but seeing as you ask.

Madeleine McCann's disappearance hit the UK media in the early hours of Friday 4th May 2007, it would appear largely through the McCann circle of family, friends and useful connections.

The Ocean Club management at the earliest opportunity would have contacted their UK headquarters.  The very second their HQ became aware I expect they went into overdrive - a well established popular tour company that prides itself on it's holiday childcare, suddenly their reputation is about to be ruined by the disappearance of a three year old little girl, allegedly snatched from her bed whilst her siblings were sleeping alongside.  Can you imagine it?  Especially if their squeaky clean public image was about to be questioned.

Not only would the UK media be hungry for any information relating to the child's disappearance but the Mark Warner company would be desperate to clear up the mess to save their reputation.  First thing on the agenda would be a press release from the Mark Warner public relations unit.  Not surprising to me that news of their response to the disaster was so promptly published.

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Post by Verdi on 15.09.16 20:12

@Doug D wrote:Snipped:


Another puzzle about Alex Woolfall, recalled Gerry, was why he told ‘The Times’ that he had flown out to Praia da Luz on Saturday 5th May when, in fact, he had flown out on Friday 4th May, the day after Madeleine had disappeared.
 
In order for Woolfall to arrive on the Friday, the management team at Mark Warners in Praia da Luz – and presumably their headquarters – would have had to demand Woofall’s presence in Praia da Luz almost immediately. Gerry wondered why there had been such a rush to fly Woolfall out. Was it because Mark Warners feared the consequences of it being confirmed that a young child had been abducted from their complex? Gerry recalled that initially, in the first hours after Madeleine had disappeared, John Hill, Mark Warners’ manager at Praia da Luz, had cast doubt as to whether any abduction had actually taken place. He had soon changed his mind, thank goodness.
 
It had been at 10.00pm on Friday 4th May – exactly 24 hours’ after Madeleine had been reported missing – when Gerry had so courageously spoken to the press. This was how Woolfall had described it in his article in ‘The Times’ on 6th October 2007:
“I met the couple for the first time at their new apartment. [The McCanns] were behaving exactly as I thought someone in that situation would be behaving. They had not slept. They were exhausted and despairing but thinking, ‘Should we go outside and say something that might get her back?’ They said they wanted to head downstairs and talk to the media. They were very tired, but that was one thing they were determined to do. So I went out to alert journalists and returned to the McCanns. They wrote down what they wanted to say and went out and gave a short statement. After that, they were completely spent. You could tell there was nothing left”.
Gerry himself had described the occasion in a Vanity Fair article published on 10 January 2008: “The day after Madeleine was abducted, as Kate and I left the police station, there were 150 journalists in front of it. Alex Woolfall explained to me that either I interact with the media or we would be hounded by the press”.
He momentarily noted that he and Alex Woolfall were not quite singing from the same hymn sheet on this issue. Woolfall had said it was him and Kate who wrere wanting to make a statement, he realised, whereas Gerry had maintained that it was Woolfall who had pushed him into making a statement.
He let out a momentary sigh.
But, as always, he had told the truth. It was indeed Woolfall who had persuaded them into making that statement to the press. So Woolfall had got it wrong by claiming that he and Kate had been pushing to make a statement.
   
And, strangely, Woolfall had also got it wrong in stating, as he had done more than once, that he had flown out to Praia da Luz ‘36 hours’ after Madeleine disappeared, on 5th May.


http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/12/chapter-4-the-woolfall-puzzle/
Who wrote that -  Ian Hislop  smilie ?

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Post by Verdi on 15.09.16 20:34

'And, strangely, Woolfall had also got it wrong in stating, as he had done more than once, that he had flown out to Praia da Luz ‘36 hours’ after Madeleine disappeared, on 5th May.'


If Woolfall flew out to Praia da Luz on 5th May, it would be a notional 36 hours after Madeleine was reported to have disappeared.  Wouldn't it?   Rolling Eyes

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Post by Doug D on 15.09.16 21:23

Alex Woolfall:
 

 

(Woolfall on right)
 
Can’t play the video of the first ‘appeal’ from 10.00 on 4th May, at the moment for some reason.
 
Can Woolfall not be identified somewhere in the background party, as has been reported from a number of different avenues?
 
This would confirm that he was there on the 4th.

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Post by MayMuse on 15.09.16 22:27

Try this one it shows the walk from inside up the steps prior to the statement.

http://youtu.be/rkt4bGb87xo

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Post by MayMuse on 15.09.16 22:42

First 24hours.

John Hill

http://youtu.be/kSZILWgblpU

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Verdi on 15.09.16 23:24

@Doug D wrote:Alex Woolfall:
 

 

(Woolfall on right)
 
Can’t play the video of the first ‘appeal’ from 10.00 on 4th May, at the moment for some reason.
 
Can Woolfall not be identified somewhere in the background party, as has been reported from a number of different avenues?
 
This would confirm that he was there on the 4th.
Doug D, I have to admit you are totally confusing me today, not difficult I know but it would appreciated if you could clarify a couple of points.

Earlier you wrote..

List for 6th May shows:
 
33791 ‘Alex’
 
33792 ‘David’
 
33793 ‘Kuri’
 
‘Mayhe’ does still appear


 

7th
 
33800 Hubbard
 
‘Mayye’ now has (Staff) annotation, as do Alex, David & Kuri



Frankly I haven't the vaguest idea what you're talking about.  What lists are these entries taken from and what is the (Staff) annotation you refer to?

This evening you say..

Can’t play the video of the first ‘appeal’ from 10.00 on 4th May, at the moment for some reason.
 
Can Woolfall not be identified somewhere in the background party, as has been reported from a number of different avenues?
 
This would confirm that he was there on the 4th.


What video?  I posted a YouTube link up-thread to the first televised appeal..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avf4jHNuzPU

Are you saying you think the bloke in the background could be Woolfall?  Bearing in mind it's already been established that Craig Mayhew was around on the night of 4th May and Kate McCann says in her novel that Mayhew took control of the situation, could it be him?  As far as I can discern either of the two in the background could be any bloke on the planet but maybe my eyesight is a bit dodgy.

The image you posted appears to be dated by Getty as 11th May 2007.  Is video and the photograph supposed to be connected in any way?

I really am confused - if you could find a moment to clarify as I say, I would be grateful.  Ta!

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Post by MayMuse on 15.09.16 23:41

I think it is John Hill and possibly John Buck (grey hair) in the background? 
The video I posted earlier shows them coming out and up the side steps so clearer, also shows two women to the side.
http://youtu.be/rkt4bGb87xo

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Post by Verdi on 15.09.16 23:44

The second McCann media presence on the night of Saturday 5th May 2007 @ 00:15..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkt4bGb87xo

ETA:  Sorry MayMuse, I see you've just posted the video link.  I was on a different plane.

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Post by MayMuse on 15.09.16 23:51

@Verdi wrote:The second McCann media presence on the night of Saturday 5th May 2007 @ 00:15..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkt4bGb87xo

ETA:  Sorry MayMuse, I see you've just posted the video link.  I was on a different plane.
Yes I did, that's okay. Although I thought that was the 4th? 
I'm getting confused myself with when who what and where. spin

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