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Post by MayMuse on 16.09.16 0:03

Isn't this the 4th ( as above) 

http://youtu.be/pxHuwT__URc

And this one the 5th?

http://youtu.be/2ZkaaZYRbRg

Help appreciated, thanks


Adding this for the 6th May ( same clothes worn as the day with Craig Mayhew) 
http://youtu.be/bzvEE57dg9Q

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Post by BlueBag on 16.09.16 8:12

@MayMuse wrote:Isn't this the 4th ( as above) 

http://youtu.be/pxHuwT__URc
Yes and I think that is John Hill in the background.

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Post by skyrocket on 16.09.16 9:41

In the Vanity Fair article Gerry is quoted as saying 'The day after Madeleine was abducted, as Kate and I left the police station .............., Alex Woolfall explained to me that either I interact with the media or we would be hounded by the press.'

Woolfall says in the October Times interview, 'I met the couple for the first time in their new apartment..'

Gerry's interview at Portimao started at 11.15am and Kate's at 2.20pm, and according to her book, went on for 4 hours and that they returned at about 8.30pm.

Kate goes on to describe who was waiting for them back in 4G, when they finally returned to the Ocean Club. Along with family she says she remembers the following remarkable list (someone made this lot jump):

John Hill
Emma Knight
Craig Mayhew
Ambassador John Buck
British Consuls Bill Henderson & Liz Dow
British Embassy Press Officer Andy Bowes
Alex Woolfall
And, a trauma psychologist, who had now arrived (Alan Pike)

Kate's recall seems to agree with Woolfall's in terms of where/when they met. But the OC records show Pike booked in from the 4th and 'Alex' (Woolfall?) only from the 5 May. 'Mahye' is shown from the 4th. Of course, Woolfall could have stayed elsewhere the night of the 4th or the book in date may just be incorrect. 

Something else Kate's book states clearly is that it was Gerry who wanted to make the press statement on the evening of the 4th May - she says that he told the people assembled in their apartment what he was going to do, and that no one objected or advised him against it. 

Confusion is good.

Just on the subject of this thread:

The Rogatory interviews, carried out by Leceistershire Police, are worth scrutiny. Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien were interviewed first on the 8 April, there interviews starting only 5 minutes apart at Leicestershire Police HQ, Russell at 9.55am and Jane at 10am. We are told in Jane's statement that an alarm sounds in the police station at 10.18am (which one of them was saying things they shouldn't - don't forget that there was a representatives from the Portuguese Police present and that the sessions are being recorded on DVD). We know Jane's interview starts again about 10 minutes later but there is no record of this disturbance in the information on Russell's interviews.

Russell's 5 separate interview sessions on the 8 April were supposed to have been recorded on DVD but we are told that all 5 session recordings failed - no check done at any time during the day. A 10 page statement is written up from 'monitoring notes' apparently taken on the day of the 8th. O'Brien is then called back in on the 10 April to go over the statement that has been written for him (note- all other Tapas 7 members are interviewed between the 9/10 April, after the happenings of the 8th). As I understand it, at the start of the 10 April session, O'Brien is given Jane's statement to read and the statement the police have produced on his behalf, from the monitoring notes of 8 April. O'Brien then starts with his lengthy and garbled analysis of the statement he has been handed - asking for things to be changed (it does make it clear that this is the purpose of this second interview session); making comments such as, 'I don't remember actually saying that...' and DC Gierc responds with questions such as, 'so how do you wish us to word that?' The result appears to be a lot of confusion on the part of both O'Brien and DC Gierc, and even more so on the part of anyone trying to make sense of it all. 

Why did they not just go through the process of re-interviewing; asking the same questions from the 8 April; comparing the responses with the monitoring notes? 

Whatever the truth behind the fiasco of O'Brien's Rogatory interviews, the manner in which the whole process was conducted raises a lot of questions about Leicestershire Police.

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Doug D on 16.09.16 9:44

Verdi, sheets & links to clarify. Sorry, I was trying to be economical with space, but it’s not to be. These are the first (and some of the subsequent) sightings on the guest lists:
 
Alan Pike 5th May 02.37
 
 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_627.jpg

Mahye 5th May 02.37
 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_628.jpg
 
Alan Pike, Alex, David, 6th May 07.05
 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_631.jpg
  
Kuri, Mahye  6th May 07.05
 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_632.jpg
 
7th May 07.16
Alan Pike (Staff), Alex (Staff), David (Staff)
 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_635.jpg
 
Kuri (Staff), Mahye (Staff),
 
Hubbard (Donos = Owner), C5E, 6th May – 9th May
 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_636.jpg
 
…………………………………….
 
I wasn’t saying the bloke in the background was Mayhew as for some reason I couldn’t play the videos last night, but I just knew there were people floating around in the background and wondered if Mayhew was amongst them. Having looked this morning I would agree with John Hill, but not sure about the other man, who could well be be John Buck.
 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_p305OiLZRCU/SvAL5ew4WDI/AAAAAAAAHnk/0ef9xuQgn_k/s400/john+buck.jpg
 
I posted the Getty image from the church as it is a side picture of Woolfall.
 
Need to look into the Hubbard booking again. Showing as a last minute (based on folio number) ‘owner’ booking, so the name may just be coincidental, but so many coincidences!

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Post by Verdi on 16.09.16 12:21

@Doug D wrote:Verdi, sheets & links to clarify. Sorry, I was trying to be economical with space, but it’s not to be. These are the first (and some of the subsequent) sightings on the guest lists:
 
I'm with you now - sorry to put you to so much trouble sad .

I've never taken much notice of the Ocean Club guest list before.  I don't know a single word of Portuguese (although some are reasonably obvious) but all those abbreviations and alpha-numeric references totally throw me so I take back my previous comment about a senior Warner member of staff not being accommodated at the Ocean Club! 

Needs must when the devil drives as they say - a bit cheapskate sticking senior staff in third rate accommodation.  Even the two primary suspects managed an invitation to stay at an ambassador's residence.  I still question why their physical presence was desired - what could they achieve in Praia da Luz that couldn't be done back in the UK?

NB:  Because of the number of times 'Donos' appears on the guest list and where, I thought it was the name of a travel company Rolling Eyes .

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Post by MayMuse on 16.09.16 12:28

As the videos show and stated yesterday, I believe the men in the background are John Hill and John Buck.

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Verdi on 16.09.16 12:34

Please excuse the digression, looking again at the Ocean Club guest list, I notice 'owner BKG' featuring a number of times in the tour company column.  Being of an inquisitive nature, I googled BKG and look what I found..

Branson Airport - Airport code BKG

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Post by Doug D on 16.09.16 13:28

No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
 
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
 
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
 
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.

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Post by April28th on 16.09.16 13:46

For whatever it's worth, Craig Mayhew first appears in the call records with Gerry at 0456 on the 5th (a 90 second call, Gerry to him). Unfortunately the available SMS records are more or less useless (all service centre numbers) so I can't say for sure whether that was their first contact.

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Doug D on 16.09.16 14:07

http://youtu.be/2ZkaaZYRbRg
 
Is red folder man in the second video posted by Maymuse above Woolfall?
 



http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AlexWolfall6may07.jpg

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Post by Verdi on 16.09.16 15:08

@Doug D wrote:http://youtu.be/2ZkaaZYRbRg
 
Is red folder man in the second video posted by Maymuse above Woolfall?
 



http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AlexWolfall6may07.jpg
Yes!

Crisis comms expert Alex Woolfall to leave Bell Pottinger for Porter Novelli

June 15, 2011 by Sara Luker 

Porter Novelli has poached Bell Pottinger crisis comms expert Alex Woolfall to head up its corporate practice across Europe, the Middle East and Africa.



Career step: Alex Woolfall moving from Bell Pottinger to Porter Novelli
 
http://www.prweek.com/article/1075079/crisis-comms-expert-alex-woolfall-leave-bell-pottinger-porter-novelli

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Leicestershire Police just following orders?

Post by willowthewisp on 16.09.16 16:12

@Verdi wrote:
@Doug D wrote:http://youtu.be/2ZkaaZYRbRg
 
Is red folder man in the second video posted by Maymuse above Woolfall?
 



http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/AlexWolfall6may07.jpg
Yes!

Crisis comms expert Alex Woolfall to leave Bell Pottinger for Porter Novelli

June 15, 2011 by Sara Luker 

Porter Novelli has poached Bell Pottinger crisis comms expert Alex Woolfall to head up its corporate practice across Europe, the Middle East and Africa.



Career step: Alex Woolfall moving from Bell Pottinger to Porter Novelli
 
http://www.prweek.com/article/1075079/crisis-comms-expert-alex-woolfall-leave-bell-pottinger-porter-novelli
Alex Woolfall,as per Bell-Pottinger May 2007,PR to Companies requirements,defuse an embarrassing situation,so that the Business name of Mark Warner can proceed with Take over merger by Thomas Cook,Mark Warner Name,Reputation still un-affected?
Job Well Done on Clent's behalf,Conservative Party Members?

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Nina on 16.09.16 18:14

@Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
 
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
 
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
 
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Verdi on 16.09.16 20:42

@Nina wrote:
@Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
 
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
 
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
 
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.
Please don't start me off on another conspiracy theory.

The Hubbards are said to have arrived at Praia da Luz on Sunday 6th May 2007, three days after Madeleine's alleged disappearance.

It was said that they were there on work connected with the church.  The nature of that 'work' I don't think was ever clarified.  Extraordinary circumstances in my opinion, to second a preacher from Canada to Europe for churchy duties.

It was said that the Hubbards had no connection with the McCanns until they arrived in Praia da Luz.

After their arrival in Praia da Luz, the Hubbards became firm friends with the McCanns.

Haynes Q. Hubbard was said to have been born in Norfolk.

His wife, Susan, is said to speak Portuguese.

Kate McCann's aunt Nora hails from Canada.

The keys to the church in Praia da Luz were said to have been handed over to the McCanns by the Hubbards for private prayer.

Susan Hubbard returned the church keys to whoever when the McCanns fled the country in September 2007.

A church is sacred ground.

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Post by whodunit on 16.09.16 21:09

Susan Hubbard contacted OC employee 'Francisca' several times on behalf of the McCanns. 'Francisca' was off duty during the 3 days surrounding the alleged abduction but she did live near the church. It was obvious 'Francisca' felt harassed and intimidated by Mrs. Hubbard's persistent contacts, and she felt like they were accusing her of 'knowing more than she was saying'.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/05/mccanns-pressure-and-harass-ocean-club.html?m=1

Jenny Murat v. 2.0?  Instead of setting up a street stall to divert vital information from reaching the pj, SEEMS Mrs. Hubbard went right to the source..

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Nina on 16.09.16 21:56

@Verdi wrote:
@Nina wrote:
@Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
 
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
 
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
 
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.
Please don't start me off on another conspiracy theory.

The Hubbards are said to have arrived at Praia da Luz on Sunday 6th May 2007, three days after Madeleine's alleged disappearance.

It was said that they were there on work connected with the church.  The nature of that 'work' I don't think was ever clarified.  Extraordinary circumstances in my opinion, to second a preacher from Canada to Europe for churchy duties.

It was said that the Hubbards had no connection with the McCanns until they arrived in Praia da Luz.

After their arrival in Praia da Luz, the Hubbards became firm friends with the McCanns.

Haynes Q. Hubbard was said to have been born in Norfolk.

His wife, Susan, is said to speak Portuguese.

Kate McCann's aunt Nora hails from Canada.

The keys to the church in Praia da Luz were said to have been handed over to the McCanns by the Hubbards for private prayer.

Susan Hubbard returned the church keys to whoever when the McCanns fled the country in September 2007.

A church is sacred ground.

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Sorry Verdi  empathy  It was in the parish magazine that when they arrived in PdL the house wasn't quite completed. A single man had lived in it before and it required to be made family friendly. So on their arrival in PdL the builders were still working in it. I have tried to find it for you but no success as yet.

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by whodunit on 16.09.16 22:00

@Nina wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@Nina wrote:
@Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
 
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
 
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
 
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.
Please don't start me off on another conspiracy theory.

The Hubbards are said to have arrived at Praia da Luz on Sunday 6th May 2007, three days after Madeleine's alleged disappearance.

It was said that they were there on work connected with the church.  The nature of that 'work' I don't think was ever clarified.  Extraordinary circumstances in my opinion, to second a preacher from Canada to Europe for churchy duties.

It was said that the Hubbards had no connection with the McCanns until they arrived in Praia da Luz.

After their arrival in Praia da Luz, the Hubbards became firm friends with the McCanns.

Haynes Q. Hubbard was said to have been born in Norfolk.

His wife, Susan, is said to speak Portuguese.

Kate McCann's aunt Nora hails from Canada.

The keys to the church in Praia da Luz were said to have been handed over to the McCanns by the Hubbards for private prayer.

Susan Hubbard returned the church keys to whoever when the McCanns fled the country in September 2007.

A church is sacred ground.

aaagh
Sorry Verdi  empathy  It was in the parish magazine that when they arrived in PdL the house wasn't quite completed. A single man had lived in it before and it required to be made family friendly. So on their arrival in PdL the builders were still working in it. I have tried to find it for you but no success as yet.

Sounds like they arrived ahead of schedule.

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Nina on 16.09.16 22:36

@Verdi wrote:
@Nina wrote:
@Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
 
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
 
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
 
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.
Please don't start me off on another conspiracy theory.

The Hubbards are said to have arrived at Praia da Luz on Sunday 6th May 2007, three days after Madeleine's alleged disappearance.

It was said that they were there on work connected with the church.  The nature of that 'work' I don't think was ever clarified.  Extraordinary circumstances in my opinion, to second a preacher from Canada to Europe for churchy duties.

It was said that the Hubbards had no connection with the McCanns until they arrived in Praia da Luz.

After their arrival in Praia da Luz, the Hubbards became firm friends with the McCanns.

Haynes Q. Hubbard was said to have been born in Norfolk.

His wife, Susan, is said to speak Portuguese.

Kate McCann's aunt Nora hails from Canada.

The keys to the church in Praia da Luz were said to have been handed over to the McCanns by the Hubbards for private prayer.

Susan Hubbard returned the church keys to whoever when the McCanns fled the country in September 2007.

A church is sacred ground.

aaagh
Sorry Verdi  empathy  It was in the parish magazine that when they arrived in PdL the house wasn't quite completed. A single man had lived in it before and it required to be made family friendly. So on their arrival in PdL the builders were still working in it. I have tried to find it for you but no success as yet.

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Verdi on 16.09.16 23:22

@Nina wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@Nina wrote:
@Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
 
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
 
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
 
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.
Please don't start me off on another conspiracy theory.

The Hubbards are said to have arrived at Praia da Luz on Sunday 6th May 2007, three days after Madeleine's alleged disappearance.

It was said that they were there on work connected with the church.  The nature of that 'work' I don't think was ever clarified.  Extraordinary circumstances in my opinion, to second a preacher from Canada to Europe for churchy duties.

It was said that the Hubbards had no connection with the McCanns until they arrived in Praia da Luz.

After their arrival in Praia da Luz, the Hubbards became firm friends with the McCanns.

Haynes Q. Hubbard was said to have been born in Norfolk.

His wife, Susan, is said to speak Portuguese.

Kate McCann's aunt Nora hails from Canada.

The keys to the church in Praia da Luz were said to have been handed over to the McCanns by the Hubbards for private prayer.

Susan Hubbard returned the church keys to whoever when the McCanns fled the country in September 2007.

A church is sacred ground.

aaagh
Sorry Verdi  empathy  It was in the parish magazine that when they arrived in PdL the house wasn't quite completed. A single man had lived in it before and it required to be made family friendly. So on their arrival in PdL the builders were still working in it. I have tried to find it for you but no success as yet.
smilie 
I vaguely remembered reading something about the house not being ready for their arrival, looking for the source reminded me of all the curiosities surrounding the Hubbards presence in PdL.  There was no shortage, at the time, of available preachers for such a small local church so I seriously wonder why someone was flown over to Portugal on a work mission, with his chattels - cuddly cat 'n all.  A cynic might be led to believe that this was some kind of divine intervention.

Apart from all the other appendages that have come to light in connection with this case, there has also been a strong religious influence - including the McCanns visit to Pope Benedict, arranged by Clarence Mitchell through the offices of the ex-Archbishop of England, Cormac Murphy O'Connor, who was involved with the cover-up of child sex abuse.  Even the Archbishop of York was roped in in latter days.  Not bad for a couple of part-time Catholics.

I smell something fishy.

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Doug D on 17.09.16 7:30

Scratching around for 'Hubbard' stuff which seems to have gone walkabout, again from memory, hadn't he been out there previously for a short time before going back to Canada and then deciding to come back permanently?

I also have a recollection of reading something about him in the parish newsletter, but can't find it & don't recall what it was actually about.

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When did Father Hubbard 'give notice'?

Post by Tony Bennett on 17.09.16 9:19

@Doug D wrote:Scratching around for 'Hubbard' stuff which seems to have gone walkabout, again from memory, hadn't he been out there previously for a short time before going back to Canada and then deciding to come back permanently?

I also have a recollection of reading something about him in the parish newsletter, but can't find it & don't recall what it was actually about.
I did some research on Father Hubbard some years ago including looking up his clerical history in (I think IIRC) Crockfords.

I will keep hunting my archive for anything relevant.

In searching however, I did come across these observations by a poster here called 'Rose Quartz'. I think s/he made them during 2013. She had been researching some puzzling entries on Father Hubbard's Facebook page including references to his daughter, Gabriella, who I think acted the role of Madeleine in that 2009 'Mockumentary'.  

One thing struck me, the claim that he 'gave notice' (one week's notice?) on Tuesday 1st May.

That could back up the claims of those who suggest that something serious happened to Madeleine on the Sunday or Monday.

It would certainly be an almighty coincidence if, on the very same day that Robert Murat took the 7.00am flight to Faro, 'Father' Hubbard gave notice to his parish in Canada:

QUOTE 'ROSE QUARTZ':
  
Ordinarily with something like this on a Facebook page, I'd assume a simple error inputting his marriage year on his Facebook profile, but as this whole case is anything but ordinary, I think we can be forgiven our suspicions about this little snippet too!You are certainly right about that. Surely though it can't be a mistake, you would amend it once spotted. Susan doesn't feature on his FB at all. They had three children...apparently! 

I wonder when his profile picture was taken? Could that be a new child of his?

Mother Hubbard spent a lot of time with Kate, also in the UK. For a mother of two or three children that seems to be quite a lot.

IIRC she was also with Kate on several occasions - last time when the libel trial started up again in September.

If that is true she'd have had to come from Canada.

The Hubbard involvement is very 'off' imo.

Calling him 'Father' where there is no indication of high church.

The Rev saying things like: 'when I came into the presence of Kate and Gerry'.

His constant affirmation of their martyrdom.

His serendipidous arrival shortly after 'giving notice' on the 1st May.

His generally giving the impression the church in PdL was his patch rather than graciously allowed to be used by the RC church.

His short tenure in Canada and 5 plus years in Pd and then back to Canada.

His not mentioning an earlier short tenure in PdL.

His wife speaking Portuguese - unusual unless she is a polyglot or had a reason for learning the language. 

All the above may have perfectly good explanations - to be fair, I just don't like the man, too smug and condescending altogether IMO...

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by skyrocket on 17.09.16 9:56

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The announcement in the Niagara Parish magazine (April 2007, page 24) for Hubbard's resignation reads as:

http://niagaraanglican.ca/newspaper/docs/2007/april.pdf  (if you change the month in the page address you can hop thru all the editions)

„ 'The Reverend Haynes Hubbard submitted his resignation as Rector of St. Paul's, Dunnville, and the Dunn Parish, effective April 30. Haynes has accepted a position in the Diocese of Europe, specifically as Chaplain at St. Vincent's, Algarve, Portugal, beginning May 1'.


First thing I noted when I found this last year was the fact that other resignations from the diocese seemed to give more than a months notice (which is the norm for a job change IMO); and second, that the position in Luz is given as starting on 1 May. 

At the time I did quite a lot of digging and it became apparent that Hubbard was good at PR - he appeared all over the place doing all sorts of things in the parish, particularly with young people. In 2006, a young peoples' conference (Cranmer Conference) was started and in 2007 the event was advertised as being hosted and organised by Haynes Hubbard. The event was after April. I remember finding a very brief announcement posted in May/June saying that it had been cancelled due to 'unforeseen circumstance'. It would seem probable that Hubbard's departure could have been the reason. In other words, his departure does seem to have been sudden, and strange that one minute he was immersed in organising a large event which had been heralded as a great success the year before, only to leave knowing it would have to be cancelled. 

I agree @DougD - a lot of info on Hubbard seems to have gone since only last year.

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by Tony Bennett on 17.09.16 10:21

@skyrocket wrote:@TB

The announcement in the Niagara Parish magazine (April 2007, page 24) for Hubbard's resignation reads as:

http://niagaraanglican.ca/newspaper/docs/2007/april.pdf  (if you change the month in the page address you can hop thru all the editions)

„ 'The Reverend Haynes Hubbard submitted his resignation as Rector of St. Paul's, Dunnville, and the Dunn Parish, effective April 30. Haynes has accepted a position in the Diocese of Europe, specifically as Chaplain at St. Vincent's, Algarve, Portugal, beginning May 1'.
@ skyrocket    Thank you very much for this quick confirmation of the date Father Hubbard gave notice (and for all the other information you regularly bring to this forum, by the way).

What you have revealed is truly astonishing, to my mind, especially given the prominent and huge role performed by each of the Hubbards for the McCanns after they arrived in Praia da Luz.

We have compelling evidence that the Last Photo was taken on Sunday 29th. The date and time of that photo may have been changed. The same day there was a highly unusual booking of the Tapas restaurant for the rest of the week, with differing accounts of who made the booking. It is even possible that the 'Make-Up' photo was taken that very same day; no-one on the forum has raised a serious objection to that hypothesis. HideHo cannot find compelling evidence that Madeleine was alive on or after Monday that week.

Against that background, it seems way beyond coincidence that Robert Murat should be summoned over the very next day, leaving England on the next day's 7am flight from Exeter, and that Father Hubbard should, apparently out of the blue, hand in his notice, also on the same day (30th April) and arrive in Praia da Luz les than a week later.

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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

Post by sallypelt on 17.09.16 10:26

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@skyrocket wrote:@TB

The announcement in the Niagara Parish magazine (April 2007, page 24) for Hubbard's resignation reads as:

http://niagaraanglican.ca/newspaper/docs/2007/april.pdf  (if you change the month in the page address you can hop thru all the editions)

„ 'The Reverend Haynes Hubbard submitted his resignation as Rector of St. Paul's, Dunnville, and the Dunn Parish, effective April 30. Haynes has accepted a position in the Diocese of Europe, specifically as Chaplain at St. Vincent's, Algarve, Portugal, beginning May 1'.
@ skyrocket    Thank you very much for this quick confirmation of the date Father Hubbard gave notice (and for all the other information you regularly bring to this forum, by the way).

What you have revealed is truly astonishing, to my mind, especially given the prominent and huge role performed by each of the Hubbards for the McCanns after they arrived in Praia da Luz.

We have compelling evidence that the Last Photo was taken on Sunday 29th. The date and time of that photo may have been changed. The same day there was a highly unusual booking of the Tapas restaurant for the rest of the week, with differing accounts of who made the booking. It is even possible that the 'Make-Up' photo was taken that very same day; no-one on the forum has raised a serious objection to that hypothesis. HideHo cannot find compelling evidence that Madeleine was alive on or after Monday that week.

Against that background, it seems way beyond coincidence that Robert Murat should be summoned over the very next day, leaving England on the next day's 7am flight from Exeter, and that Father Hubbard should, apparently out of the blue, hand in his notice, also on the same day (30th April) and arrive in Praia da Luz les than a week later.
Tony, I think we have to be careful about the date stating that H Hubbard handed his notice in on 30 April. I don't read it that way. To me it is saying that he ends his employment on that date, therefore, he could have handed in his notice at the beginning of April. Also, the above post says (I can't access the link) H Hubbard takes up his new position on 1 May. So, again, this article must be from a magazine that was published BEFORE 30 April, and BEFORE Father Hubbard had left for Portugal.

What do others think?

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Post by BlueBag on 17.09.16 10:49

@sallypelt wrote:
What do others think?
I agree.

I think it can be read that way as well.

I'm also thinking this is getting too convoluted.

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