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Re: Keith Vaz hid real identity from male escorts he told: My name's Jim and I sell washing machines

Post by Verdi on Wed Sep 07, 2016 8:33 pm

@willowthewisp wrote:Hi Verdi,thanks for the article,though i have not had time to read it yet?
children should be encouraged to be children first and foremost and we know how young children can be bullied or chastised for being different?
I do have first hand knowledge so to speak on this issue,but we know people mature at different stages of life,but young adolescents need to understand not just the basic,"Birds & Bees"revelations on sexual matters.
We know it is often not easy for the discussion of sexual nature,between adults and adolescents,be it Mother or Father,Teachers,Health Care providers(PC),but if you are not sure that you are ready to indulge in any sexual relationship,for your own safety,I would say abstain from it,until,your sure you feel comfortable about having a sexual relationship,we all go through the"Hormonal changes" into Adulthood?
What I find difficult to comprehend is the "Sexualisation"of young children,be it clothing(Beauty Pagents,now Dance classes), before they are able to deal with the situation that Adults profess as harmless"Growing up Stage",this I feel now and it is backed up by statistics on how young women feel about themselves,in the constant need to be out standlingly Beautiful,as opposed to being happy about their own persona!?
At first this was and always was directed on screen by film directors towards the female Sex and thus it hast moved to both Sexes and now to a"Transgenda Basis",we know that Sex takes place between different factors of the sexes,"each according to their own"used to be the message,which has changed to"How ever you feel" in today's environment?
The basic thing that is missing from this ever changing World is"Respect or Having Respect" for one another,without this, what do you have?
howdy  willowthewisp,

Of course, it's an extensive subject that can't be trivialised by a rant a la moi.  I'm of like mind, I think children should be allowed to be children as long as possible without burdening them with confusing issues about sexuality - confusing even to the adult mind.

I frankly couldn't give a kippers do da what adults do behind closed doors just as long as they don't try to influence or inflict their preference on others - and there lies the problem in my opinion.  As a quickie, why do people think gay men flock to countries where poverty is rife?  Easy answer - availability of male prostitution (rent boys), cheap sex frequently with minors and with a total disregard for the child's welfare and/or matters of legality and wide spread sexually transmitted diseases.

Still, this is way off topic except for the fact that Keith Vas is/was an MP with considerable influence and look where he's been.  It's an acknowledged fact that a considerable number of MPs have been identified in a national child abuse scandal, either directly involved or covering up for those that were/are directly involved, as were a number of MPs named in connection with PIE who tried so very hard to legalize sex with minors.  You know, the victims - the liars, the deluded, the fantasists, the mentally unstable, the unreliable witnesses blah blah blah.

It's very important to differentiate between genuine civilized law abiding citizens whatever their persuasion and the scum that haunt the very guts of our world.  Sadly I think this is where it all goes belly-up!

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Re: Keith Vaz hid real identity from male escorts he told: My name's Jim and I sell washing machines

Post by JRP on Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:21 pm

@Verdi wrote:If homosexuals want to be totally accepted and integrated into society without prejudice, they need to start by looking inwards at their own attitudes - isolating themselves, establishing communities and opening gay oriented venues does not create a harmonious unanimous acceptance within general society.  They must also be encouraged to realise that their sexual persuasion will never ever be accepted by the laws of nature nor recognized by general society as models of a standard relationship and procreation.  Those who wish to promote sexual equality outside of the homosexual population, should take a long hard look at how many homosexuals conduct their lives and their attitudes towards acceptable moral standards.

Unfortunately it's not always a case of live and let live, I wish it was! 

That aside, when looking for something earlier today, I came across not only the links to the Keith Vas domain but this - a good example of the point I'm trying to make..

 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/12/30/bbc-takes-no-action-over-interview-linking-homosexuality-to-child-grooming/

.... and look at the side link....

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/09/04/a-transgender-4-year-old-is-transitioning-before-kindergarten/

This is not a straightforward issue of equality - it's entering very very dangerous ground.  Just don't expect me to accept anything that I consider to be totally immoral.  I await the backlash!

I wonder how much of this 4 year olds sexual dilemma stems from his/her own awareness. 
I hope this 4 year old thinks the situation through before going through a major life changing transition.
But then, are 4 year olds capable of thinking anything so serious through.... seems so completely  ridiculous to even contemplate.

Apologies if this is off topic

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Re: Keith Vaz hid real identity from male escorts he told: My name's Jim and I sell washing machines

Post by Verdi on Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:30 pm

@JRP wrote:
@Verdi wrote:If homosexuals want to be totally accepted and integrated into society without prejudice, they need to start by looking inwards at their own attitudes - isolating themselves, establishing communities and opening gay oriented venues does not create a harmonious unanimous acceptance within general society.  They must also be encouraged to realise that their sexual persuasion will never ever be accepted by the laws of nature nor recognized by general society as models of a standard relationship and procreation.  Those who wish to promote sexual equality outside of the homosexual population, should take a long hard look at how many homosexuals conduct their lives and their attitudes towards acceptable moral standards.

Unfortunately it's not always a case of live and let live, I wish it was! 

That aside, when looking for something earlier today, I came across not only the links to the Keith Vas domain but this - a good example of the point I'm trying to make..

 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/12/30/bbc-takes-no-action-over-interview-linking-homosexuality-to-child-grooming/

.... and look at the side link....

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/09/04/a-transgender-4-year-old-is-transitioning-before-kindergarten/

This is not a straightforward issue of equality - it's entering very very dangerous ground.  Just don't expect me to accept anything that I consider to be totally immoral.  I await the backlash!

I wonder how much of this 4 year olds sexual dilemma stems from his/her own awareness. 
I hope this 4 year old thinks the situation through before going through a major life changing transition.
But then, are 4 year olds capable of thinking anything so serious through.... seems so completely  ridiculous to even contemplate.

Apologies if this is off topic
That's how I see it JRP - it was the parents decision, that's the worrying thing.  What's their decision based on - a boy playing with a girl's toy or a girl playing with a boy's toy?  Not exactly unusual. 

Or do they have their own reasons rather than the child's interest at heart?

If off topic I'm to blame.

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Re: Keith Vaz hid real identity from male escorts he told: My name's Jim and I sell washing machines

Post by Tony Bennett on Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:09 am

@Verdi wrote:That aside, when looking for something earlier today, I came across not only the links to the Keith Vas domain but this - a good example of the point I'm trying to make..

 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/12/30/bbc-takes-no-action-over-interview-linking-homosexuality-to-child-grooming/

.... and look at the side link....

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/09/04/a-transgender-4-year-old-is-transitioning-before-kindergarten/

This is not a straightforward issue of equality - it's entering very very dangerous ground.  Just don't expect me to accept anything that I consider to be totally immoral.  I await the backlash!
@ Verdi     We're off-topic, so I'll make this brief.

I would argue that transitioning a 4-year-old child, as per the bolded link above, is child abuse. As has been cogently pointed out by those experts who have the courage to raise their voices in protest, no-one knows what the long-term consequences are of imposing a sex change on children of any age, let alone on a 4-year-old child,

If you go into the subject deeply, you will find that the promotion of 'transgenderism', or the development of so-called 'non-binary identity', has been skillfully planned by those also promotoing feminism and homosexual 'equality'. There has been the deliberate promotion of gender identity at the expense of identity on the basis of sex (male/female). This allows for an almost infinite variety of so-called 'gender expression'.

This is especially true in the field of tertiary education.   

A clear example of this is the Degree in Gender and Women's Studies' now available at Lancaster University. There, one can study, quote, "sexuality', 'new family forms' and 'gender theory'. They have even invented new terminology, e.g. 'cisnormality' . This refers to 'a society which treats not being transsexual/transgender as normal'. A state of 'cisnormality' is said to 'cause oppression' to those who are 'trans' or 'gender non-binary'.

The term 'transphobic' (BlueBag and I referred to this term on another thread, the Keith Vaz thread) applies to 'A person who does not accept another's gender identity'.

I mentioned Lancaster University. This is only one of 57 UK universities now offering degrees in Gender Studies or Sexuality Studies.  

I will put this post in the Members' Section so that anyone who wishes to discuss this subject can do so there.

Meanwhile, a list I got from the ABC News site of the current number of possible gender identities:

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The following are the 58 gender options identified by ABC News:

Agender
Androgyne
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cisgender
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans*
Trans Female
Trans* Female
Trans Male
Trans* Male
Trans Man
Trans* Man
Trans Person
Trans* Person
Trans Woman
Trans* Woman
Transfeminine
Transgender
Transgender Female
Transgender Male
Transgender Man
Transgender Person
Transgender Woman
Transmasculine
Transsexual
Transsexual Female
Transsexual Male
Transsexual Man
Transsexual Person
Transsexual Woman
Two-Spirit

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Post by sallypelt on Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:07 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37321918



The Met Police is to "assess and identify what criminal offences - if any" have been committed by Keith Vaz following claims over his private life.

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Post by willowthewisp on Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:27 pm

@sallypelt wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37321918



The Met Police is to "assess and identify what criminal offences - if any" have been committed by Keith Vaz following claims over his private life.
Well,they would not or could find sufficient Evidence,last time and it was thought to have involved sums of Money of over£500,000 and Passports,Peter Mandalson,Mike O'Brien which was left to Ma Learned friends to decide on Oily Keith (vasaline) Vaz by nature?
Oh and a Business adventure involving People in Glass Houses,"Don't throw the First Stone though" financed by some Indian Brothers,eh Keith?

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Re: Keith Vaz hid real identity from male escorts he told: My name's Jim and I sell washing machines

Post by Doug D on Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:45 pm

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More Keith Vaz revelations coming in tomorrow's Sunday Mirror, the newspaper which broke the biggest political scandal of the year.
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Sunday Mirror - further revelations

Post by Tony Bennett on Sun Sep 11, 2016 12:10 am

@Doug D wrote:Dominic Herbert ‏

@dom_herbert

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More Keith Vaz revelations coming in tomorrow's Sunday Mirror, the newspaper which broke the biggest political scandal of the year.

Well, the Sunday Mirror report is now online.

The 'revelations' amount to:

1. Vaz was tight-fisted (I should have chosen a better expression) and would haggle over the price for sex

2. He wanted to go on holiday with the rent boys to Morocco, and

3. His wife is standing by him.

And, er, that's about it.

Oh, and when texting, he refers to sex as 'painting':

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/keith-vaz-branded-liar-male-8810677

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Post by willowthewisp on Sun Sep 11, 2016 2:42 pm

Hi Mr Tony Bennett,Ref; Sex=Painting,that must be why the Escorts were explained as Decorators by Oily Keith to the press,"I'v got the decorators in gives an entirely new meaning,eh Keith"?

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Post by Tony Bennett on Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:33 pm

"He's been a good husband" - Mrs Vaz

"He's got things right nine times out of ten" - Mrs Vaz

In the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3783464/I-forgive-betrayal-s-good-husband-Keith-Vaz-s-wife-reveals-shamed-MP-marital-bed-demands-health-tests-rent-boy-scandal-admits-never-suspected-enjoyed-sex-men.html


The article is interesting in the lack of action by Speaker John Bercow when Conservative MP Andreww Bridgen reported Keith Vaz's conduct over a range of issues. The Speaker did nothing and was seen at a football match with Vaz the following week.

Much is being made elsewhere, with justification, I feel, of Vaz's close links to Jeremy Corbyn, which apparently go back a very long way.

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Post by BlueBag on Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:16 pm

Is it a coincidence that Vaz is in the line of fire now Janner is dead?

Were Janner's protectors protecting all connected around him as well?

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Post by plebgate on Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:39 pm

He is supposedly now going to be "probed" by police.   Wonder what the out come of that will be ?  Not enough evidence blah blah? or will be be suprised and actually see this being taken seriously?

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Post by Doug D on Mon Sep 12, 2016 7:53 am

Police probe Vaz misconduct claims
 
Jonathan Ungoed-Thomas, James Lyons and Josh Boswell
September 11 2016, 12:01am, 
The Sunday Times
 
Police are examining allegations against the Labour MP Keith Vaz involving potential abuse of office and personal misconduct dating back 25 years.
 
Four witnesses, including a former lord mayor of Leicester, last week confirmed they had been interviewed by Leicestershire detectives. The inquiries have been going on for at least a year.
 
Leicestershire police refused to comment last week on whether Vaz was under investigation or whether the witnesses were being interviewed as part of a wider inquiry. The Labour MP has said he is not aware of any investigation.
One of the official police documents, a five-page witness statement……. (hidden behind paywall)……….
 
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-probe-vaz-misconduct-claims-rk8p5h6pk

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Appointment of Vaz to Commons Justice Select Committee

Post by Doug D on Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:44 pm

The Keith Vaz Westminster fan club: Why do they protect this man
 
Posted on November 1, 2016 by davidhencke
 
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An extraordinary event took place in Parliament last night only hours after Amber Rudd, the home secretary, made the really bad decision to turn down an inquiry or independent panel into the  ” battle of Orgreave ” in the 1984 Miners’ Strike.
Andrew Bridgen, Conservative MP for Leicestershire North West, moved a rare motion objecting to the appointment of :Labour MP, Keith Vaz, to the Commons Justice select committee.
Keith Vaz, the MP for Leicester, East stood down  as chair of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee after an exposure in the Sunday Mirror, that he was involved in sex with two male prostitutes while posing as a ” washing machine salesman” in a flat he owned in North London. Police are at present assessing whether Mr Vaz committed any offences as a result of the scandal.
Mr Bridgen’s main point was that he should not stand for the post – because he himself had ruled out standing a home affairs committee chairman.
During his speech, Mr Bridgen told the Speaker Mr Bercow: “You have often spoken that this place must reflect the society with which we make the laws and I agree with you.
“I respectfully point out to the House that in any other sphere of activity a candidate with so much hanging unresolved over him would be very unlikely to be considered for such an important office.
“I believe and if (Mr Vaz) was in his place today I’d ask him to stand down from his nomination, but he’s not.”So I’d ask this House to reject his appointment otherwise I think we cannot blame the Great British public for having a low opinion of its politician and its politics – we can only blame ourselves.”
Earlier he had been warned by Mr Bercow to ” desist” after he also referred -under Parliamentary privilege- to a current historical child sex investigation said to be being conducted by Leicestershire Police where four people had come forward alleging child sexual abuse crimes.
However the view of Vaz’s supportive  MPs was that it was perfectly proper for him to be a member of the justice committee -despite the recent scandal. And it was 159 Tory MPs and ministers that came forward in droves to support the Labour MP. Labour MPs were remarkable in their absence – though a number of MPs who have raised child sexual abuse cases did vote for him – notably Simon Danczuk and Tom Watson.
But it was the Tory Cabinet that stood out in support of him. They included Amber Rudd, the home secretary, who decided that there has been no ” miscarriage of justice in Orgreave” and was obviously happy to think that Mr Vaz had committed no offence.
Other key supporters included Jeremy Hunt, the health secretary, Liam Fox, the International Secretary; James Brokenshire, the Northern Ireland Secretary and  former home office minister: David Gauke, chief secretary to the Treasury;Andrea Leadsom, the environment secretary,and Karen Bradley, the culture secretary, who is advised by Craig Woodhouse, a former Sun journalist and David Lidington, leader of the House.
Only seven MPs supported Mr Bridgen’s motion. They were Nicholas Soames; Jake Berry, Conservative MP for Rossendale and Darwen; James Duddridge, Conservative MP for Rochford and Southend East; Philip Hollobone, Conservative MP for Kettering; Scott Mann, Conservative MP for North Cornwall;Matthew Offord, Conservative MP for Hendon; and Mr Bridgen himself.
On these occasions Parliament seems to resemble more a members’ club than a body representing the nation. And it does itself no good. I have a feeling that the loyalty of MPs to Mr Vaz’s rehabilitation plan will be misplaced and a large swathe of the Cabinet might regret their hasty decision to follow their whips advice. Parliament should not be used to play games or it will fall even more into disrespect.
 
https://davidhencke.com/2016/11/01/the-keith-vaz-westminster-fan-club-why-do-they-protect-this-man/

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Post by plebgate on Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:47 am

An extraordinary event and an utterly disgraceful event imo.

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Post by kaz on Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:53 am

It's reported that Vazeline man was subjected to booing earlier this week in Leicester at a Diwali light switch on. Maybe our collective glaucoma IS healing itself at last.

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Post by Tony Cadogan on Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:11 pm

@kaz wrote:It's reported that Vazeline man was subjected to booing earlier this week in Leicester at a Diwali light switch on. Maybe our collective glaucoma IS healing itself at last.

"...Vazeline man..."

Good one, thanks!

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Post by Verdi on Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:20 pm

@kaz wrote:It's reported that Vazeline man was subjected to booing earlier this week in Leicester at a Diwali light switch on. Maybe our collective glaucoma IS healing itself at last.
laugh  Another one to add to the list of e-fits?

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