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Post by Portia on 30.08.16 21:01

Seems like a pre-emptive strike to me.

CM probably jumped ship, knowing/suspecting what lays ahead in the near future; the Mecs putting a brave face on it. 

Let's bet: the Lisbon appeal is off; the Mecs are to pay up and nobody quite knows how they're supposed to do that

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Post by Verdi on 30.08.16 21:39

@sharonl wrote:
@MRNOODLES wrote:If Clarrie was such a good egg, he'd do it for free, right? winkwink


Did we ever get to the bottom of who was paying his £75,000 PA fee in the early days? 


The McCanns?

The fund?

Brian Kennedy?

The Government?

The McCanns wouldn't have the money at that point and the fund had only just started collecting donations?
Investigation may last a year Expresso (no online link)
 
It is in the experience of Clarence Mitchell that the McCanns put their trust to regain public opinion
 
Maria Barbosa
29 September 2007

Q: Before accepting Kate and Gerry's proposal you admited that you needed some guarantees. Were you refering to Brian Kennedy, the businessman that pays your wages?

A: I could not resign from my job with the Government before this issue was resolved. It was unacceptable that Maddie's Fund would pay my wages. The solution found was the best: I work for the McCanns but who pays my wages is Brian Kennedy, who made himself available to help them financially. My objective is to help them overcome this phase but I also want to be paid for it, which has not happened yet.

ETA:  http://www.mccannfiles.com/id255.html
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Post by Portia on 30.08.16 21:45

So, is the good double glazer throwing the Mecs under the bus then?

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Post by tnb on 30.08.16 21:52

@Portia wrote:So, is the good double glazer throwing the Mecs under the bus then?
Perhaps he's just distancing himself before the "outstanding work" of the last viable lead.

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Post by pennylane on 30.08.16 21:54

@sharonl wrote:How interesting.

Have the McCanns really dumped Clarence as the media claims or has Government withdrawn their support?

Theresa May, IMO, got rid of Jim Gamble by putting him in a position which caused him to resign - a resignation that she immediately accepted.

Since she became Prime Minister, we have seen the possible closure of Operation Grange and now the split between the McCanns and he who controls what comes out in the press.

I don't think that Theresa May will tolerate the level of corruption that we have previously seen in the UK government.

Totally agree sharonl.  Team McCann have long since burned their bridges with Theresa May!

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Post by Verdi on 30.08.16 23:34

@Portia wrote:So, is the good double glazer throwing the Mecs under the bus then?
Which of course makes a total nonsense of this latest stream of tabloid reports - kicked off a few days ago by the ever dependable Tracey Kandhola no less.

This smacks to me of yet another McCann publicity stunt.  I doubt if Mitchell has ever been a full-time spokesman for the McCanns - a touch of media manipulation is required urgently, only a phone call away, a nice little fee payed for the service.  Job jobbed!

The thing that continues to intrigue me is his failure to control the media coverage of all things McCann during the period he was declared to be their official spokesman seconded by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office - on loan from the UK government Media Monitoring Unit.  If he was such an ace media manipulator, how come press outlets such as the Express Group managed to churn out scores of negative reports which led to an out of court settlement in favour of the McCanns and their group of friends.

A deliberate act I ask myself?

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Post by maebee on 30.08.16 23:53

@Portia wrote:Seems like a pre-emptive strike to me.

CM probably jumped ship, knowing/suspecting what lays ahead in the near future; the Mecs putting a brave face on it. 

Let's bet: the Lisbon appeal is off; the Mecs are to pay up and nobody quite knows how they're supposed to do that
I think/hope you're spot on Portia.

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Post by suzyjohnson on 31.08.16 1:32

I always thought Clarrie was in this for the big World Exclusive (whatever that may have turned out to be) as the man who was closest to the McCanns through it all. 

Now, it doesn't look as though there's going to be a grand finale after all, just the actors shuffling off the stage as quietly as possible.

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Post by sharonl on 31.08.16 5:51

Just read this article - it's all boils down the fact that the McCanns have to pay the costs of their case against Gonçalo Amaral and they don't like it.  It's just an open begging letter, the loss of the manipulator is just manipulation. 

This pair had gained more than enough from suing others, now it's their turn.  Gonçalo Amaral didn't get his his begging bowl out when he was due to pay them, he fought back, with dignity and he won.  People willingly donated to his cause because he was honourable and genuine.  Maybe the McCanns should put away the begging bowls and start assisting the investigation that they and their bogus detectives trashed.

And what a cheek, this article claims that money is needed to fund private investigators -  
Lol, so far they have funded the now defunct, corrupt Metodo 3 whose detectives has been arrested for serious crimes elsewhere, who called in journalists after paying people in Morrocco to claim that they had seen Madeleine, and who also claimed that they knew who the abductor was and where Madeleine was.  Then we the convicted fraudster, Kevin Halligen and the bogus PI company set up purely for McCann purposes, Alphaig Limited.

Sorry both, not a penny from me -  try getting the investigation in Portugal reopened, get over there and start answering questions, do the reconstruction, and take the lie detector tests.  

Oh, and don't forget because we haven't, Kate said that you would sell the house if you really needed to.

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Post by purple ronnie on 31.08.16 6:06

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/542025/Cash-crisis-hits-search-Maddie-fund-down-last-46k

Cash crisis hits search for Maddie as fund is down to last £46k
MADELEINE McCann’s parents are desperate for new donations to fund the search for her.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 31st August 2016

HELP: Maddie’s parents are desperate for new donations to fund the search for her
More than £4.2million has been donated to the fund since she vanished in Portugal in 2007.

Last year’s accounts showed just £746,152 left and sources suggest it is now just £480,000.


FUND: More than £4.2million has been donated since she vanished in Portugal in 2007
And the couple face paying £434,000 to Portuguese ex-police chief Goncalo Amaral’s lawyers after losing their libel action against him.

That would leave £46,000.

The McCanns were hoping to use the cash to pay for private investigators.

They have already had to axe their spokesman Clarence Mitchell to save cash.

He has agreed to work for them when he can to keep costs down.

Yesterday the fund’s website was still asking for public donations and selling T-shirts, wristbands and car stickers. 


Parents Garry and Kate, from Rothley, Leics, continue to believe Madeleine, who would now be 13, could still be alive.

A source close to the McCanns said: “They can’t rely on the Met Police inquiry continuing forever and they are making contingency plans."

The Met believe that Madeleine may have disturbed burglars.

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Post by Google.Gaspar.Statements on 31.08.16 7:19

No comments allowed on that article then?

In other words just pay up and don't question it.

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Post by sharonl on 31.08.16 8:16

I very much doubt that the McCanns will pay up and leave Snr Amaral alone and free to sell his book.  They really want money, not only to pay him but to appeal against the decision, imo of course.

Does the Media think that we were all born yesterday?

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Post by pennylane on 31.08.16 8:57

Oh nooooooo, will the child neglecting parents be forced to dip into Gerry's fat salary, and/or downsize, so the "no stone unturned" search for Maddie can continue?  Whatever next!

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 31.08.16 9:15

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/705491/Kate-Gerry-McCann-fire-Clarence-Mitchell-save-money-search-missing-Madeleine-McCann

They are appealing a decision against them to Portugal’s highest court in Lisbon. 
Former GP Kate and Gerry, both 48, from Rothley, Leics, fear the dispute could wipe out much of the fund to find Madeleine. A family source said: “We hope the appeal will be successful. But if they lose there will be a big legal bill to pay which will come from the fund. 


Are they ALLOWED to do this ?
Another letter to the Solicitors and Auditors, and all the Directors  perhaps.


Would not taking money from the Fund - which is for the finding of madeleine -
to pay legal costs, and DAMAGES, which is a different thing altogether
totally Ultra Vires and therefore ILLEGAL under the terms of the Fund


I think the Directors are going to get into serious hot water if they allow this

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Post by sallypelt on 31.08.16 9:26

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/705491/Kate-Gerry-McCann-fire-Clarence-Mitchell-save-money-search-missing-Madeleine-McCann

They are appealing a decision against them to Portugal’s highest court in Lisbon. 
Former GP Kate and Gerry, both 48, from Rothley, Leics, fear the dispute could wipe out much of the fund to find Madeleine. A family source said: “We hope the appeal will be successful. But if they lose there will be a big legal bill to pay which will come from the fund. 


Are they ALLOWED to do this ?
Another letter to the Solicitors and Auditors, and all the Directors  perhaps.


Would not taking money from the Fund - which is for the finding of madeleine -
to pay legal costs, and DAMAGES, which is a different thing altogether
totally Ultra Vires and therefore ILLEGAL under the terms of the Fund


I think the Directors are going to get into serious hot water if they allow this

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From day one of Madeleine's disappearance, it had become obvious that the McCann's were being advised on what to say, and how to act etc. Now £4.5 million down and with nearly half a million pounds legal costs hanging over them, has it now become a "blame game"? Are the McCann's saying to those who have been fighting their corner "well, you told us what we should do, and look where it has led us". This is all speculation on my part, of course, but as the saying goes "when poverty comes to the door, "love" jumps out the window".

Oh, and where are the "pro-MCann's" these days, on the McCann hashtag? From what I have been reading, it's down to a "skeleton staff". 

How the mighty fall!

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Post by Doug D on 31.08.16 9:55

Lest we forget (not that we will!)

Tracey & Clarence from September 2015:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-ready-continue-6370581

19:12, 2 SEP 2015 UPDATED 20:06, 2 SEP 2015
BY TRACEY KANDOHLA
 
Snips:
 
A spokesman said the couple accepted police could not continue to fund an investigation indefinitely and have set aside cash to continue the search themselves
 
Kate and Gerry McCann continue to pump thousands of pounds into a special fund for use when the official investigation, codenamed Operation Grange and launched more than four years ago, finally ends.
 
Family spokesperson Clarence Mitchell said today: “They realise it cannot go on forever.”
 
He added: “Kate and Gerry remain incredibly grateful to the Met Police for their continuing work and effort and are grateful to everyone who continues to make Operation Grange possible.
 
“The Government and police make the decision about funding, it is not Kate and Gerry’s role.”
 
He told how former GP Kate and heart doctor Gerry, both 37, of Rothley, Leics, had moved money from the publicly-backed Find Maddie Fund into a special account in anticipation of having to finance the hunt for their daughter themselves.
 
Mr Mitchell said: “In a common sense and practical move, they have kept some money back from the Find Madeleine Fund in case it is needed for an ongoing search.”
 
A source close to the family said: “Kate and Gerry firmly believe Madeleine could still be alive and when the police investigation ends, they have vowed to continue looking for her.
 
"They don’t know when this will be, there has been so suggestion yet, but they want to be ready and have set aside huge chunks of money for this reason.”
 
…………………………………………………….
 
Followed up, again by the Mirror in December 2015, although no Tracey & no direct reference to Clarence this time:
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-launch-new-7041769
 
Madeleine McCann's parents to launch new private search with appeal fund's remaining £750k
 
19:06, 19 DEC 2015 UPDATED 19:11, 19 DEC 2015
BY MATTHEW DRAKE
 
Snipped:
 
A source told the Sunday People : “There is £750,000 in the account. That money has been ­preserved because Kate and Gerry knew they may want to reopen an ­investigation at some point.
“They have always said they’ll do ­anything they can to keep going. That ­commitment remains.”
…………………………………………….
 
And now the Mirror says £480K.
 
So what has happened to £270k since Christmas????
 
Do KM & GM really ‘continue to pump money into a special fund’, away from the MM fund?
 
Why?

Did they ever?
 
They never did explain that.
 
The ‘Objects clauses’ of the fund (which were changed to remove the 3 1 3 To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family’ in December 2011) state:
 
2B       The objects of the Foundation are
 
            2B 1 1              To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on                           Thursday 3rd May 2007; and
 
            2B 1 2              To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice
 
            2B 2                 If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere.
 
so absolutely no need to move money into a ‘special account’ to fund the search.
 
To answer PeterMac’s question, Yes, payment of costs would be ‘ultra-vires’, but this seems to matter little in the courts nowadays and with the board consisting purely of TM members they could easily add back clause 3.1.3 to allow it.
 
As for:
 
‘Kate and Gerry McCann have begun drastically scaling back costs’
 
£43k for year ending March 2014 can’t take much ‘drastic cutting back’, but if they have really managed to blow £270k since Christmas, something has gone seriously wrong.
 
Charity Commissioners where are you? (Oh no, it's not a charity is it, just a 'pretendy' one!))

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Post by sallypelt on 31.08.16 11:49

Maddie hunt at crisis point: McCanns axe PR aide in cost-cutting bid to find missing girl

The former BBC journalist is understood to be “hurt” by the decision but respects the couple’s “more pressing agenda”. 


What is the "more pressing agenda"?



http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/705491/Kate-Gerry-McCann-fire-Clarence-Mitchell-save-money-search-missing-Madeleine-McCann

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Post by Verdi on 31.08.16 11:53

The Find Madeleine Co. Ltd. account for year ending 31st March 2013

Director's Note

'The Fund has covered expenses for witnesses giving evidence in a libel trial in Lisbon against Goncalo Amaral (former coordinator of the Portuguese investigator to find Madeleine). Mr Amaral published a book in 2008 and produced a documentary and DVD in 2009 which claimed Madeleine was dead and that her parents faked an abduction and concealed her body. This has caused vast damage to the search for Madeleine in Portugal (where it is most likely that information relating to Madeleine’s abduction and whereabouts will come from.) The Board felt that an attempt to halt this damage was vital in order to further the search for Madeleine hence taking this course of action.'

Enid O'Dowd's observations  [thanks to http://www.mccannfiles.com/id475.html] snipped..

It was reported that in January 2013 there were attempts to settle the libel case before it came to court. The McCanns may have travelled to Lisbon to meet with their Portuguese lawyers in this connection. If they did, their travel, accommodation and subsistence expenses would presumably have been charged to the company.

The big question is, does the expenditure include legal fees?


The Directors' Report refers to the ongoing legal case and paying witness expenses but does not refer to paying legal fees. However given the Board's stated view that the book, documentary and DVD caused vast damage to the search it would be perfectly legitimate to pay the fees relating to this case from the Fund.
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The objects of the Fund

To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007

To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice

To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine’s family.
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Brian Kennedy [not the double glazing salesman] - 17th May 2007

"... the money can be err..  used for all sorts of reasons but probably mainly for legal expenditure..."
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I think they've just about covered all angles.

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Post by MayMuse on 31.08.16 11:59

@Doug D

Exactly, that "special fund" 
Siphoning monies from Madeleine's Fund!
How much in that "Special Fund" never disclosed?

Money laundering springs to mind? 

They don't want to pay GA; have they ever paid one legal bill?

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Post by Doug D on 31.08.16 14:13

Verdi @ 11.53:
 
‘Objects clause 3.1.3 ‘To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine’s family’.
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Brian Kennedy [not the double glazing salesman] - 17th May 2007
 
"... the money can be err..  used for all sorts of reasons but probably mainly for legal expenditure..."
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I think they've just about covered all angles’.
 
   
This clause was removed in December 2011, but with the board of directors could just as easily be voted back in.

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Post by aquila on 31.08.16 15:02

So, according to the Press Clarence Mitchell's services are no longer required and he was informed of that fact in an email from Gerry McCann (unless you read another newspaper which says it was a text).

Clarence Mitchell dumped by the McCanns? Don't make me laugh. Clarence has never worked for the McCanns. If you do adhoc business then it's on an invoice based arrangement.

There's nothing I can see to show how much the Limited company paid Clarence Mitchell to do anything at all. Scotland Yard need to take a good look at the 'Fund' in my opinion.

In the last few years the McCanns have spouted that Clarence works behind the scenes (often for free) whilst Clarence tells the world that the McCanns grieve behind the scenes. Things have been bandied about Clarence being on a retainer, Clarence doing it for free, Clarence being a friend (see Gerry McCann's blogs), Clarence becoming a part-timer to now Clarence being dumped by email and feeling hurt but understanding the need for cost cutting.

It's all bullshit.

Scotland Yard ought to take hold of Clarence's invoices and the Fund's (limited company - not a charity) accounts - that is if Scotland Yard were ever serious about finding the truth for a little three year old girl.

One of the essential things in a police investigation is to look at the finances of those close to the victim. I can only surmise Scotland Yard can't be arsed to do it - as if they don't already know. Leicester Police were shockingly reticent/unforthcoming with regards to the McCann's finances when the Portuguese Police asked for the information, giving some peculiar and obtuse reason for not having access to Gerry McCann's credit card statements. Gerry McCann then later went back to UK on his first visit since Madeleine's disappearance only to find his wallet conveniently nicked.

Someone please tell me my unreserved opinion (and it's swayed across the years) that this case is steeped in paedophilia is wrong. I can't think of any other reason for a big cover up. I can take into account the creepy corridors of power and spin doctors, I can accept media hysteria to cover those bad news days when parliament can bury its bad news but I can't accept the lies of DCI Redwood doing two separate non-reconstructions, a helicopter spectacular and a UK ground force team with dogs.

I can't accept Jim Gamble's involvement for many reasons, least of all his allegiance to Summers & Swann who not only produced a book but were granted an audience with Scotland Yard. I can't accept that.

I can't accept that three Prime Ministers would kowtow to the UK Press in the case of a child who went missing in PDL. I really can't accept that.

Does anyone in authority give a damn about Madeleine McCann? Her parents didn't when they allegedly left her on her own every night with her siblings. Scotland Yard have spent £12 million pounds with a team of over 30 officers dedicated to the case - see the pile of figures spewed out by Scotland Yard and see the celebrity status of the DCI's (Redwood and Wall) being paraded to the press as they pretend there is some form of relationship building exercise to be had between UK and Portugal. It's a miracle that there is always a handy camera to show Scotland Yard's finest turning up in their very British formal attire for the the carefully planned photo shoots (Redwood in a helicopter was just disgusting as was the public seizure of boxes from Metodo 3 offices).

Then there is the head of the CPS visiting Portugal - Alison Saunders goes to Portugal - why? I mean, why? Why make that public?

Police investigate. When there is evidence it is provided to the relative CPS authority. Scotland Yard were just doing a review weren't they? what in God's name was Alison Saunders doing there and why was it published? Is it usual for the head of the CPS in UK to let anyone know anything? Well of course not.

This has to be the most and I mean MOST disgusting travesty.

As for Jim Gamble, I think he's up to his neck in it - who on earth would immediately support the parents of a child who went missing when there was no evidence of abduction? and then there is Clarence Mitchell who is a spook oiling the machine.

Now someone tell me please that paedophilia is not at the heart of this case. Someone is being protected. Who that is, is anyone's guess. I can't think of any other reason.

Just my opinion.

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Post by Verdi on 31.08.16 16:37

@Doug D wrote:Verdi @ 11.53:
 
‘Objects clause 3.1.3 ‘To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine’s family’.
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Brian Kennedy [not the double glazing salesman] - 17th May 2007
 
"... the money can be err..  used for all sorts of reasons but probably mainly for legal expenditure..."
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I think they've just about covered all angles’.
 
   
This clause was removed in December 2011, but with the board of directors could just as easily be voted back in.
Yes you're quite right - shoddy workmanship on my part yes !

The text was taken from the original when the fund was launched in May 2007 but no doubt the account reports for year ending March 2012 and 2013 have been appropriately worded to allow for all eventualities.

In my opinion the board of directors has always been the main a bone of contention, overriding all other dubious aspects of the fund.

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Post by MayMuse on 31.08.16 16:49

Does anyone else think that PR Stuntman spokesman is the one doing the "dumping"? 
Getting out in the nick of time? 

Just a thought amongst many!

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Post by pennylane on 31.08.16 17:10

@MayMuse wrote:Does anyone else think that PR Stuntman spokesman is the one doing the "dumping"? 
Getting out in the nick of time? 

Just a thought amongst many!

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For sure Mitchell's fleeing the fleapit, but no matter how many times he douses himself in disinfectant, he is forever McTainted.

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