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Post by sallypelt on 04.08.16 20:15

Dame Lowell Goddard has resigned as the head of the UK's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse, the home secretary has announced.
The New Zealand high court judge was appointed to lead the inquiry in 2015 after the resignation of two previous chairwomen.
The probe was set up in March of that year to examine claims made against public and private institutions.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd said a new chair would be appointed.
The reasons for Justice Goddard's resignation are unclear but BBC home affairs correspondent Tom Symonds described it as a "crisis" for the inquiry.

Ms Rudd said in a statement: "I want to assure everyone with an interest in the inquiry, particularly victims and survivors, that the work of the inquiry will continue without delay...
"I would like to thank Dame Lowell Goddard for the contribution she has made in setting up the inquiry so that it may continue to go about its vital work."
The inquiry is to investigate allegations made against local authorities, religious organisations, the armed forces and public and private institutions, as well as people in the public eye.
Dates for the full public hearings are yet to be finalised.
But preliminary hearings began in March at the Royal Courts of Justice in London

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36982049

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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.08.16 20:49

@sallypelt wrote:Dame Lowell Goddard has resigned as the head of the UK's independent inquiry into child sexual abuse, the home secretary has announced.
The New Zealand high court judge was appointed to lead the inquiry in 2015 after the resignation of two previous chairwomen.
The probe was set up in March of that year to examine claims made against public and private institutions.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd said a new chair would be appointed.
The reasons for Justice Goddard's resignation are unclear but BBC home affairs correspondent Tom Symonds described it as a "crisis" for the inquiry.

Ms Rudd said in a statement: "I want to assure everyone with an interest in the inquiry, particularly victims and survivors, that the work of the inquiry will continue without delay...
"I would like to thank Dame Lowell Goddard for the contribution she has made in setting up the inquiry so that it may continue to go about its vital work."
The inquiry is to investigate allegations made against local authorities, religious organisations, the armed forces and public and private institutions, as well as people in the public eye.
Dates for the full public hearings are yet to be finalised.
But preliminary hearings began in March at the Royal Courts of Justice in London

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36982049
This absolutely shocking news is all Theresa May's doing.

She was the one who appointed THREE useless inquiry chiefs in a row - the previous ones were Lady Woolf and Baroness Butler-Sloss - one was too close to Lord Brittan; the other was also compromised.

I was going to make a post about how useless this inquiry has been so far; the Daily Mail has been running an excellent series of articles on the subject. It has cost £18 million so far. £18 million!! And it has done nothing except set up four regional offices and appoint dozens of staff who have got nowhere so far. Also, the Mail revealed that in a recent survey of the performance of New Zealand's 63 judges, Lady Goddard came...63rd. The Mail said that the probability was that the inquiry would take at least ten years.

Also, Lady Goddard has given 'core status' at her enquiry to the police, the CPS and other professional bodies. This 'core status' means they can claim back their costs and expenses from the government. But, as I understand it, 'core status' has not been given to any of the groups representing victims of child sexual abuse.

If I was somebody who had suffered child sexual abuse, I would have given up all hope long ago of getting any justice or truth from this enquiry.

We've had scores of stories on this forum over the past few years of the most appalling acts of child sexual abuse, and of people, even highly-paid professional people, doing terrible things to children and watching sickening images on the net.    

Of course we can learn lessons in ten years' time about what the police and other agencies should have done 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago. And what good would that really do?

We can do so many things now.

Like dealing with any internet servers, hosters etc. who purvey these dreadful images.

Like prosecuting the senior police officers and civil servants who deliberately covered up the crimes of e.g. Jimmy Savile, Greville Janner, Cyril Smith and Clement Freud.

Like not giving suspended prison sentences to those who download these wicked images.  

Like giving police officers who have evidence of these cover-ups of celebrities abusing children immunity from prosecution under the Official Secrets Act - something Theresa May refused to do when an amendment was proposed in 2015 in the Crime Bill to do just that.

To quote an article, titled 'Lift the Lid on Abuse', that a friend kindly sent me from a recent Socialist Worker (not my usual daily reading):

"Tory Home Secretary Theresa May repeated in Parliament assurances that the Official Secrets Act should not stop anyone from giving evidence to the enquiry into child sexual abuse. David Cameron repeated the assurances.

"It was guff...May and most of her coalition colleagues blocked the proposed amendment to the Crime Bill..."


I know why. Because I know of dozens of ex- and current police officers who cannot 'lift the lid' on the senior level cover-up of child sexual abuse because of the fear of prosecution under the draconian Official Secrets Act.     

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Post by BlueBag on 04.08.16 21:02

What a shock!

Not really.

They have no intention of taking this seriously.

Same as Brexit.

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Post by sallypelt on 04.08.16 21:03

This
BREAKING NEWS: The £500,000-a-year New Zealand judge RESIGNS as head of child abuse inquiry



[*]Dame Lowell Goddard has resigned as head of the child sex abuse inquiry 
[*]She is the third person to quit as head of the inquiry set up two years ago 
[*]New Zealand judge admitted she was unfamiliar with British law 
[*]She was on £360,000 basic salary but spent 70 days abroad or on holiday




Dame Lowell Goddard has resigned as head of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, Home Secretary Amber Rudd said.

The New Zealand judge, 67, resigned from her £500,000-a-year position tonight.

Justice Goddard, who admitted after her appointment that she was unfamiliar with British law, was selected by Theresa May in February last year.

She is the third chair of the inquiry to resign, following in the footsteps of Baroness Butler-Sloss and Fiona Woolf.



Link to full article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3724178/The-360-000-year-New-Zealand-judge-RESIGNS-head-child-abuse-inquiry.html

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Post by BlueBag on 04.08.16 21:13

@sallypelt wrote:[*]The New Zealand judge, 67, resigned from her £500,000-a-year position tonight.

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Plus 71 days holiday.

She is in the club.

We are not.

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Post by Doug D on 04.08.16 21:30

Mark Watts ‏


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But sources say that Lowell Goddard threatened to quit #CSAinquiry months ago because of interference from - Home Office.

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Post by sallypelt on 04.08.16 21:47

By Ewan Palmer July 9, 2015 12:31 BST

Child sex abuse inquiry promises 'no one, no matter how powerful' will obstruct investigation

The government's inquiry into historic child abuse has promised to investigate everywhere from the "corridors of power in Westminster" to children's homes in the poorest parts of the country after it finally launched following an uneasy start.
Chair Justice Lowell Goddard said the "largest and most ambitious" inquiry Britain has ever seen has promised no one will be allowed to obstruct the investigation into child abuse and promised to name all individuals alleged to have been involved.



Goddard said as well as looking into allegations of a cover-up of a paedophile ring at Westminster, the inquiry will also look at religious organisation, schools and other education organisations, the police at other institutions such as the NHS and the BBC.



http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/child-sex-abuse-inquiry-promises-no-one-no-matter-how-powerful-will-obstruct-investigation-1510081


She was never going to be allowed to do her job, even if it was HER intention.

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Post by Doug D on 04.08.16 22:00

Amber Rudd:
 
‘I want to assure everyone with an interest in the inquiry, particularly victims and survivors, that the work of the inquiry will continue without delay and a new chair will be appointed.’
 
Ben Emmerson has always given the impression that he was in charge anyway.

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Post by mouse on 04.08.16 23:14

So very sad, but unfortunately not surprised to hear the news about Justice Lowell resigning. My heart goes out to all the victims - I can't even start to understand how they must be feeling tonight.

Firstly though - why did Ms Rudd (yeah she of the remain debate who in our house came over very badly) give the statement instead of Justice Lowell.

Secondly, Justice Lowell has been working on this over a year now - so she must realise the seriousness and sensitivity of the the allegations - so whatever has happened - surely the least she could have done was apologise in a statement to the victims for her shock resignation at this stage. And whatever has happened to Justice Lowell (I'm guessing the only get-out excuse that won't be questioned now will be a serous illness - goodness only knows the true reason?????) but even that - does not excuse an apology to the victims - as they have suffered for years, and probably suffered illness as a result.  I would also suggest any money earnt - should be handed back, if she has any respect for the victims, and kept for their compensation in the future - if of course there is one for this inquiry. The guy on Newsnight tonight (one of the victims on the enquiry panel I believe) seemed to have completely lost heart with it all.

Again - so sad for all those victims hoping for an outcome that must surely feel impossible now. Aas the guy on Newsnight said - the conspiracy theories that people have dismissed so far must surely now, with all the resignations and hold-ups and alleged abusers dying - they must be taken seriously. 

Oh - and Mrs May - remember she appointed all of these guys! Our new Prime Minister!

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Post by Richard IV on 04.08.16 23:39

The reason given about not being knowledgeable on English Law is totally lame.

She has either been harrassed by establishment figures or she has found out just how far the sickness in our establishment extends.  I doubt there is anyone who could do it, except perhaps Michael Mansfield and I believe he doesn`t want to.

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Post by Verdi on 04.08.16 23:50

@Richard IV wrote:The reason given about not being knowledgeable on English Law is totally lame.
Half a million a year salary and she resigns because she doesn't know enough about English law?  That's confidence inspiring.

Who's next on the agenda to lead the inquiry?

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Post by mouse on 05.08.16 0:28

@Richard IV wrote:The reason given about not being knowledgeable on English Law is totally lame.

She has either been harrassed by establishment figures or she has found out just how far the sickness in our establishment extends.  I doubt there is anyone who could do it, except perhaps Michael Mansfield and I believe he doesn`t want to.

But doesn't that say it all!!!! - Best person, more independent, best qualified - she ticked all of Mrs Mays boxes at the time apparently. Mrs May, or our PM as I should call her - should immediately tomorrow make a personal apology and explanation to the victims first and foremost, and to the tax payers as to why this woman has admitted now that she was not up to speed with English Law yet was the perfect candidate for taking on such a sensitive and important inquiry in Mrs May's Eyes when she was the appointee.. Bottom line - it was her responsibility!!! She has let these people down 3 times now....and now she's been rewarded the position of running the country.....!!!! Makes one wonder if that was the reward???

Therefore, perhaps it is time the victims lose their patience and sued her/our government for failing to carry out an inquiry that was promised. To fail once is bad, but to fail victims 3 times..... 

And yes - IMO Ms Lowell probably was got at - weren't the victims hearings about to start............Operation shutdown - of course, again, only my opinion.

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Post by BlueBag on 05.08.16 8:06

She resigned because it was reported yesterday morning that she already had 71 days holiday during the inquiry whilst being paid £500,000 a year.

The heat was on her and she walked away.

She certainly wasn't doing the job with any urgency or tenacity.

Much easier for her - and everyone else probably.

She doesn't have to explain.

I don't believe she was pressured because she discovered things.

She is establishment - she's a DAME for goodness sake and was married to Sir Walter John Scott, 5th Baronet.

She is in the club.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 05.08.16 8:16

@Richard IV wrote:The reason given about not being knowledgeable on English Law is totally lame.

She has either been harrassed by establishment figures or she has found out just how far the sickness in our establishment extends.  I doubt there is anyone who could do it, except perhaps Michael Mansfield and I believe he doesn`t want to.
There is a third possibility.

She read the excoriating criticism of her in the Daily Mail and elsewhere - and of course by child sexual abuse victims and their groups - which exposed her dismal record in New Zealand, brought to light her incompetence here and her spending of £18 million without even getting to the starting blocks.

@ Richard IV wrote:  "The reason given about not being knowledgeable on English Law is totally lame". Agree with that 100% p and also with @ mouse who asked why there was no word of apology to the victims

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Post by Doug D on 05.08.16 9:31

My opinion only, but she has had interference virtually from the start and I think Mark Watts has probably got it pretty much right with his tweet.
 
Emmerson has ruled the roost as to how everything will be done, as he did with the previous set up.
 
I suspect Goddard has bent May’s ear about it on many occasions and has finally said ‘F--- it’, hence the ‘agreed’ lame excuse trying to distance the Home Office from blame.
 
It was good of The Times to come out with the ‘absence’ story yesterday morning to help with the perception that ‘they’ are trying to achieve, following on from The Mail’s 1st Aug:
 
‘There are concerns that Justice Goddard is struggling with her task after she appeared to be unaware of the extent of her powers as chairman last week.
Asked to make a routine order restricting the reporting of details of a continuing police investigation, the judge had to seek advice on whether she had the right to do so.
She asked lawyers at hearing to give her advice on ‘local law’ and added: ‘I need to know the local scene’.
 
Could take that purely as stated, but I don't accept that she was 'unaware of the extent of her powers' and read that as an admission that she has been stymied by the ‘legals’ every step along the way so far.
 
From the same Mail article we also had:
 
‘Ben Emmerson QC, counsel to the inquiry, described how swamped his team was. He said they were ‘receiving 80 to 100 allegations a week’ and that ‘20 to 25’ of these were being referred to the police.
That means forces potentially face a deluge of 1,000 new investigations a year generated by the inquiry.
There are concerns that officers are having to devote too many resources to historical sex abuse claims.’
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3717407/The-judge-leading-Government-s-inquiry-historical-child-abuse-claims-cost-taxpayer-5million.html
 
A precursor to scaling back the remit for the new chairperson? Don’t want them to look too deeply at what’s gone before or it will cause too much of an outcry?

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Post by plebgate on 05.08.16 10:23

@BlueBag wrote:What a shock!

Not really.

They have no intention of taking this seriously.

Same as Brexit.
Appointing a New Zealand Judge.  You couldn't make it up and part of UK establishment too.

There are many, many people quite capable of taking on this role in UK.   It is an insult to the many professional people who want only to see truth and justice prevail to look outside of UK.

Yet more games imo.  The little people have never counted and never will despite all the "we are all in it together" claims made to us.   They may be all in together but not for our benefit of that I am sure.

These are truly despicable crimes committed against so many children.  Enough is enough.  Sort it and sort those who continue to carry out such violent, bullying and domineering acts upon these young people who haven't a hope in hell of defending themselves.  

Despicable acts carried out by despicable people who are very often allowed to be applauded and held on a pedestal by those who should be naming and shaming them.

What a sick and increasing violent society we live in and not a hope of change on the horizon it seems, not until we start to see people with nothing to hide in their closets being elected to govern and safeguard the citizens of UK.  In other words - NEVER.

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Post by BlueBag on 05.08.16 10:36

You have to remember, they did say this inquiry could take 8 years.

That's why the person in charge could take 71 days holiday and get £500,000 a year.

Look at those feet dragging.

Have we left the EU yet?

Have we triggered Article 50 yet?

They think we're stupid.

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Post by Richard IV on 05.08.16 10:44

I made a mistake about Michael Mansfield - he IS willing to chair the Inquiry.

https://researchingreform.net/2015/01/15/michael-mansfield-qc-i-am-than-more-willing-to-consider-chairing-an-inquiry-into-child-abuse/

But they won`t choose him because he will allow a representative of the survivors on the panel and hopefully he will allow their representative to view the inquiry papers.  Goddard didn`t.

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Post by Doug D on 05.08.16 11:00

Can’t see the Home Office/Rudd appointing Michael Mansfield unfortunately.
 
He would actually want to get things done & point blank refuse to be puppeteered.
  
Would be interesting to see the battle of viewpoints between him & Emmerson though. Could they actually work together? I rather doubt it.

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Post by BlueBag on 05.08.16 11:32

@Richard IV wrote:But they won`t choose him because he will allow a representative of the survivors on the panel and hopefully he will allow their representative to view the inquiry papers.  Goddard didn`t.
Isn't that a disgrace!

This certainly isn't an open inquiry where all stones are turned over.

If it ever reaches a conclusion it will be carefully filtered.

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Post by Verdi on 05.08.16 12:02

@mouse wrote: My heart goes out to all the victims - I can't even start to understand how they must be feeling tonight.

Victims - what victims?  This is akin to the grand cover-up of the mystery of Madeleine McCann whereby the parents become the victims and the true victim is buried in the mire!

This international child abuse scandal will never be resolved - it's a travesty of justice and a total utter waste of public funds.  Who the hell do they think they're kidding with their mock concern over the welfare of vulnerable children?  This has been going on since the dawn of mankind, alas nothing will change.

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Post by sallypelt on 05.08.16 12:56

Victims call for child sex abuse inquiry to continue...



...Labour deputy leader Tom Watson called for an explanation over why the chairwoman had stepped down...

Mr Watson agreed, saying: "We must not let our failure to find a judge with the relevant knowledge and the necessary staying power deter us from progressing with this complex and demanding task....


..Lucy Duckworth, who sits on the victims and survivors' panel of the inquiry, said Justice Goddard had done an "incredible job" but the work must continue.
She told the BBC: "It's not called the Goddard inquiry, it's the independent inquiry; there are many staff there working extremely hard to lay down the infrastructure...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36984279

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Post by mouse on 05.08.16 13:06

"Victims - what victims?" Verdie above



In answer to Verdi above - Victims of child abuse - or is that you prefer to call them survivors? Sadly many won't have survived - so I'm afraid there were victims and many have suffered terribly for years and probably feel that way. Anyway, I don't quite know what you meant by what you have said - but I guess we are on the same side, right? I've always been one of this forum's (joined some time ago, but don't post as much these days)cynics and have never held any confidence in the Scotland Yard Maddie Investigation - being a fan of Amaral, nor do I have any confidence in this inquiry into child abuse - realisIing that its tentacles stretch out to the highest levels of power/aristocracy call it what you like, and realistically I too fear that this will never be resolved, but still live in some faint hope that one day it will come out.... 


Oh and I too would very much like Michael Mansfield to lead this now  - but I guess with his track record (him being involved in the Barry George release - I believe) I realise that this is hardly likely to happen. 

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Post by aquila on 05.08.16 13:30

@Verdi wrote:
@mouse wrote: My heart goes out to all the victims - I can't even start to understand how they must be feeling tonight.

Victims - what victims?  This is akin to the grand cover-up of the mystery of Madeleine McCann whereby the parents become the victims and the true victim is buried in the mire!

This international child abuse scandal will never be resolved - it's a travesty of justice and a total utter waste of public funds.  Who the hell do they think they're kidding with their mock concern over the welfare of vulnerable children?  This has been going on since the dawn of mankind, alas nothing will change.
This is precisely why there should never be a gagged Press in UK.

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Post by sallypelt on 05.08.16 13:37

@aquila wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@mouse wrote: My heart goes out to all the victims - I can't even start to understand how they must be feeling tonight.

Victims - what victims?  This is akin to the grand cover-up of the mystery of Madeleine McCann whereby the parents become the victims and the true victim is buried in the mire!

This international child abuse scandal will never be resolved - it's a travesty of justice and a total utter waste of public funds.  Who the hell do they think they're kidding with their mock concern over the welfare of vulnerable children?  This has been going on since the dawn of mankind, alas nothing will change.
This is precisely why there should never be a gagged Press in UK.

The question is, why would some "give up" a half a million pounds a year salary without an explanation to the taxpayers who are funding the inquiry?  What has Judge Goddard learned in the year she's been in post? She's an Australian, and I believe she "misses her family" back in Australia. Is she going to spill the beans back in Australia? After all, by her own admission, "failure" appears to be very painful to her.

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