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JonBenet Ramsey's brother to break near 20 year silence and speak publicly for the first time about his sisters murder

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Post by whodunit on 24.09.16 21:20

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@ whodunit     I realise that we have taken the thread off-topic by introducing the murder of Caylee Anthony. However, I suspect that anyone interested in the killing of JonBenet Ramsey will be interested also in the killing of Caylee.

I only have a nodding acquaintance with the case of Caylee Anthony, which I think came up on the forum years ago simply because of the involvement of cadaver dogs in the case.

I have now found the Wundy Murphy article I mentioned, though I have an idea there is a longer one somewhere else. I expect, by the sopund of it, you are fully aware of her analysis.

Here is what she wrote about the case in 2011 for those who've not seen it before:

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WENDY J. MURPHY: Casey Anthony trial an exercise in absurdity 

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Posted Jun 22, 2011 at 12:01 AM Updated Jun 22, 2011 at 10:14 PM
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Recently dubbed the "Trial of the Century", the prosecution of Florida mom Casey Anthony for the murder of her toddler daughter, Caylee, could more aptly be called the Trial of the Absurd. The prosecution seems desperate to prove Anthony's innocence while the defense can't manage a single reference to the evidence that actually proves Casey did not kill her child.

By Wendy J. Murphy

Casey knows more than she’s saying about who and why Caylee is dead, which is why she was offered immunity early on. The prosecution squeezed her very hard - even putting the death penalty on the table - but Casey resisted and the prosecution all but conceded defeat last week when they rested their case after presenting a woefully small pile of evidence.

There’s no doubt Casey neglected her child, lied a lot, and failed to report Caylee missing for a month, but there's good evidence Casey wasn't even with Caylee when she died. Caylee was last seen with Casey leaving George and Cindy’s home on June 16, 2008.

The public thinks Casey drugged Caylee, put her in her car trunk and taped her mouth shut so she could go out partying. But Casey and her boyfriend rented movies the night of the 16th and stayed home. Videotape from Blockbuster showed that Caylee was nowhere in sight.

Wherever Caylee was, she didn’t die on the 16th because her remains were found with pink and white shorts and a T-shirt, not the jeans skirt and solid pink top she'd been wearing when she was last seen.

Whoever killed Caylee apparently had Casey’s car, too, because Casey didn’t have her child or her car on the 17th. A witness told police Casey was driving a borrowed Jeep that day and a neighbor saw Casey's car, but not Casey, backing into Cindy and George's garage on the 17th. Why?

Did someone take heart-shaped stickers from Casey’s room to bury with the body to implicate Casey in the killing? Casey’s brother Lee testified that Caylee was killed to teach Casey a lesson. Why?

Casey had her car again on June 22. She told a friend on the 25th that she’d been smelling a dead animal in the car. She abandoned the car in a public parking lot on the 27th and asked a witness to pick her up. All this is additional proof Casey did not kill her child because even the dimmest murderer knows better than to invite a witness to the crime scene and talk openly about the victim’s rotting flesh.

The prosecution’s case raised more questions than it answered, and it failed address the following important issues:

1.  Photographs of Caylee seized from the Anthony home have been sealed from public view by court order as “too prejudicial”. The images are apparently so awful, Casey's attorney made a very big fuss about Cindy Anthony answering deposition questions about the FACT that the photos exist. Why?

2.  A search warrant executed on Casey's computer is also under seal. Why? The warrant for the Anthony home is available to the public. Why not the one for the computer?

3.  In May and June of 08, when Caylee was sleeping with Casey at a friend’s apartment, Casey got a phone call in the middle of the night, in response to which, she roused Caylee from sleep and delivered her to some unknown location. Then she returned to her friend’s apartment and went to sleep. Casey also delivered Caylee to unknown locations on other occasions when she claimed to be bringing Caylee to a "nanny." Where did she bring her? Why?

4. Why is the docket sheet in the case under seal? It would show what motions were filed to “seal” certain evidence. It would also show that the case has been designated a sex crime prosecution – which is important given that a sex crimes detective was involved in the early stages of the investigation. Why?

5. Casey searched the internet to learn how to make chloroform; a substance commonly used to sedate children in the making of child porn. The public thinks Casey used chloroform to kill her child, but the drug is popular among parents who pimp their kids because it’s cheap and it causes amnesia so that victims can’t remember being abused.

Pimping kids is dangerous business and Casey apparently made someone very angry. Maybe she cut out an earlier “business” partner or ripped someone off. A “Zenaida Gonzales” reported her laptop stolen in early June.

The distortion of truth in this strange case will lead to Casey’s acquittal, which begs the real question: will the prosecution then have the guts, and the political will, to file new charges against Casey for what she REALLY did to that poor little girl.

Wendy Murphy is a leading victims rights advocate and nationally recognized television legal analyst. She is an adjunct professor at New England Law in Boston. She can be reached at wmurphy@nesl.edu. Read more of her columns at The Daily Beast.


I am always interested in any analysis from Wendy Murphy. I had not previously read this article--thank you!-- and of course I find it very interesting. I'm glad she noticed how Casey's defense team seemed determined to steer the trial AWAY from the actual evidence that proved Casey's innocence, and of course I've always wondered if this behavior from her lawyers could be blamed on the anonymous wealthy benefactor who paid for the defense. I can no longer find it, but there was once video showing  an 'old friend' visiting Casey in jail, within a day or so of her arrest mind you, issuing veiled but unmistakable threats about telling the police what she knew. The same day little Caylee supposedly went missing, a female jogger by the name of Nicole Ganguzza was murdered in the very same park where Casey supposedly last saw Caylee leaving with 'Zenaida Gonzalez'. A witness gave a description of a suspect and the resulting composite sketch strikingly resembled a major player in the Caylee case.

Who were the only people who corroborated the existence of Zanny the Nanny? None other Jr. and Sr. Mr. G, the ex-boyfriend of Casey and his former 'occult leader' father

Was Casey pimping out her daughter? Possibly, but you can bet she didn't do this without a lot of help from her 'friends'. She was getting her money from somewhere..

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Post by whodunit on 25.09.16 0:28

Casey's very first visitor after her arrest, Patrick Bourgeois. She does not remember this 'high school, middle school' "friend" who promises support from their mutual friend Mike Walker and advises Casey 'if there's anything you want to talk about...just let it go'.


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Theory holds weight

Post by Eiddam on 25.09.16 2:04

Watched the docu. I can go with their theory. Older brother jealous of younger sibling. Smears shit on her stuff. Loses his mind for a second and smashes in her skull with one hard whack. Not an intentional murder. A brutal devastating act of violence.

The parents covered it up. Yes to save the older kid. The kind of future he would have but also to save their future. Not many people would want to do business with a man whose kid killed his sister. 
You'd lose your standing in the community as well and appearances were important to this family.

I can see why they would cover it up and have the ability to stage the scene. I presume once you've realised your oldest child has just murdered your youngest child, then the gruesome stuff after that realisation is easier to handle.
The ransom note was beyond ridiculous. It was 100% a cover up. I don't believe the mum or dad had anything to do with the murder. There was no child abuse here. Older children to JR who at he was a loving and caring father. I don't buy them as  paedophiles Either. 
I can see an older sibling with anger and jealousy issues losing his mind for a moment. 

That poor little girl though. my heart breaks for her.

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Post by whodunit on 25.09.16 2:34

Where do the chronic and acute sexual assaults fit in with that theory?

Dead child, sexually assaulted,  asphyxiated, head bashed in but it was the NINE YEAR OLD CHILD whodunit because he was jealous? I don't think so.

I'm glad he's suing, both for his own sake and for the possibility of some truth leaking out.

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Post by canada12 on 25.09.16 4:00

I sometimes question whether it was Patsy herself who was responsible for the sexual abuse. Everyone is assuming it was a male who caused JonBenet's injuries however there are many documented cases of mothers sexually abusing young daughters. Has this question ever been asked?

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Post by Roxyroo on 25.09.16 8:51

@whodunit wrote:Casey's very first visitor after her arrest, Patrick Bourgeois. She does not remember this 'high school, middle school' "friend" who promises support from their mutual friend Mike Walker and advises Casey 'if there's anything you want to talk about...just let it go'.


My goodness, that Michael Walker gets around doesn't he!? big grin

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Post by BlueBag on 25.09.16 9:06

@whodunit wrote:Dead child, sexually assaulted,  asphyxiated, head bashed in but it was the NINE YEAR OLD CHILD whodunit because he was jealous? I don't think so.
No one is putting forward such a simplistic theory.

Jealously may have been a factor, maybe not. Short fuse and anger certainly. I've seen kids explode with anger at the drop of a hat.

A nine-year old is certainly capable of hitting a six year old with a blunt instrument.

A nine-year old is certainly capable constructing a ligature with a handle - for whatever purpose - he was in the scouts.

I'm strongly of the opinion that Burke struck her.

After that I think possibilities... that Burke tried to deal with the situation himself and his parents eventually became involved and had decisions to make.

Although I think Patsy probably wrote the note, but it does have a child-like movie world invention about it and there was one practice attempt and perhaps another - maybe one was Burkes?

Burke may have heard about the $118,000 bonus in conversations.

There are a whole load of possibilities, but I think Burke was involved at least at the start.

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Post by Eiddam on 25.09.16 9:18

Apparently there was no definitive evidence of sexual assault. Little  JonBenet had vaginitis and had visited the doctor with that. This is a common issue in little girls. There was no intruder that is a fact. Zero proof of. Why would JR suddenly decide to abuse this one child out of all of his children. Someone in that house struck that little girl once on the head and a cover up ensued. The lad did it.

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Post by Google.Gaspar.Statements on 25.09.16 9:22

@whodunit wrote:Where do the chronic and acute sexual assaults fit in with that theory?

Dead child, sexually assaulted,  asphyxiated, head bashed in but it was the NINE YEAR OLD CHILD whodunit because he was jealous? I don't think so.

I'm glad he's suing, both for his own sake and for the possibility of some truth leaking out.
Thompson and Venables were not much older when they abducted James Bulger and did all those horrendous things to him then denied it, lied about it, blamed each other etc.

Some kids are just born evil and are capable of more than we think is possible.

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Post by BlueBag on 25.09.16 9:25

@Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:
@whodunit wrote:Where do the chronic and acute sexual assaults fit in with that theory?

Dead child, sexually assaulted,  asphyxiated, head bashed in but it was the NINE YEAR OLD CHILD whodunit because he was jealous? I don't think so.

I'm glad he's suing, both for his own sake and for the possibility of some truth leaking out.
Thompson and Venables were not much older when they abducted James Bulger and did all those horrendous things to him then denied it, lied about it, blamed each other etc.

Some kids are just born evil and are capable of more than we think is possible.
Mary Bell.

Although to be fair with child "evil", I think it is often a case of they haven't figured out what "wrong" really means yet, it's slipped them by or they weren't told or weren't "burned" enough. "Consequences" isn't in their thinking.

Mary Bell is a case in point, she's out and about now has been for years living a normal life under another name.

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Post by Volver on 25.09.16 9:27

@Eiddam wrote:Apparently there was no definitive evidence of sexual assault. Little  JonBenet had vaginitis and had visited the doctor with that. This is a common issue in little girls. There was no intruder that is a fact. Zero proof of. Why would JR suddenly decide to abuse this one child out of all of his children. Someone in that house struck that little girl once on the head and a cover up ensued. The lad did it.
Hi all, new member here.

@Eiddam, vaginitis is a common in little girls?  Do you have figues to back up your assertion?

Admin - it's confusing having two running topics on Burke.  Can they be merged?

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Post by Eiddam on 25.09.16 9:44

Google it for one. Most people with a vagina themselves can associate with it. Maybe I have a doctor in my family and or maybe I have lots of girls myself. Unabused ones of course. Bacteria grows easy in pre pubescent girls. It doesn't mean dark stuff is going on. 
Now as much as you WANT to believe in a paedophile theory there isn't one here IMO.

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Post by Volver on 25.09.16 9:51

I googled before I posted.

I am in possession of a vagina but do not associate with vaginitis.  

I don't believe in anthing regarding this case, I know the basics, that's all.

My opinion is that child sexual abuse is rife, sadly.

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Post by Eiddam on 25.09.16 10:02

little girls are self cleaning and you are advised off using anything that may irritate that area, because of the high risk of bacterial infection. Even when you do that it's not always enough. 

While I do agree with you that child abuse is rife not all child murders are sexually motivated when they have happened within the family. Imfact though I may be wrong, predominantly they are not.

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Post by MayMuse on 27.09.16 19:08

@whodunit wrote:Where do the chronic and acute sexual assaults fit in with that theory?

Dead child, sexually assaulted,  asphyxiated, head bashed in but it was the NINE YEAR OLD CHILD whodunit because he was jealous? I don't think so.

I'm glad he's suing, both for his own sake and for the possibility of some truth leaking out.
Hopefully some truth will, the parents were exonerated for good reason. Male DNA as we know did not match the parents or JonBenets brother. CBS do need to be held accountable over the documentary as it was most damaging,did not cover all aspects in my opinion, plus extremely accusatory! 
Further pertinent info on this video which I encourage people who have followed this sad and abhorrent case to watch. 
http://youtu.be/d59-dUBn3LY

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Post by Roxyroo on 28.09.16 1:57

@MayMuse wrote:
@whodunit wrote:Where do the chronic and acute sexual assaults fit in with that theory?

Dead child, sexually assaulted,  asphyxiated, head bashed in but it was the NINE YEAR OLD CHILD whodunit because he was jealous? I don't think so.

I'm glad he's suing, both for his own sake and for the possibility of some truth leaking out.
Hopefully some truth will, the parents were exonerated for good reason. Male DNA as we know did not match the parents or JonBenets brother. CBS do need to be held accountable over the documentary as it was most damaging,did not cover all aspects in my opinion, plus extremely accusatory! 
Further pertinent info on this video which I encourage people who have followed this sad and abhorrent case to watch. 
http://youtu.be/d59-dUBn3LY


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Can u tell me the name of the vid pls? The link won't work on my tablet, x

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Post by MayMuse on 28.09.16 3:47

@Roxyroo wrote:
@MayMuse wrote:
@whodunit wrote:Where do the chronic and acute sexual assaults fit in with that theory?

Dead child, sexually assaulted,  asphyxiated, head bashed in but it was the NINE YEAR OLD CHILD whodunit because he was jealous? I don't think so.

I'm glad he's suing, both for his own sake and for the possibility of some truth leaking out.
Hopefully some truth will, the parents were exonerated for good reason. Male DNA as we know did not match the parents or JonBenets brother. CBS do need to be held accountable over the documentary as it was most damaging,did not cover all aspects in my opinion, plus extremely accusatory! 
Further pertinent info on this video which I encourage people who have followed this sad and abhorrent case to watch. 
http://youtu.be/d59-dUBn3LY


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Can u tell me the name of the vid pls? The link won't work on my tablet, x
What DNA found in Jonbenet Ramsey's underwear revealed - But the public didn't know  eek

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Post by BlueBag on 28.09.16 7:59

@MayMuse wrote:
@whodunit wrote:Where do the chronic and acute sexual assaults fit in with that theory?

Dead child, sexually assaulted,  asphyxiated, head bashed in but it was the NINE YEAR OLD CHILD whodunit because he was jealous? I don't think so.

I'm glad he's suing, both for his own sake and for the possibility of some truth leaking out.
Hopefully some truth will, the parents were exonerated for good reason. Male DNA as we know did not match the parents or JonBenets brother. CBS do need to be held accountable over the documentary as it was most damaging,did not cover all aspects in my opinion, plus extremely accusatory! 
Further pertinent info on this video which I encourage people who have followed this sad and abhorrent case to watch. 
http://youtu.be/d59-dUBn3LY
Seriously... these are Ramsey people trying to rubbish the Police.

The Ramsey lawyer: "DNA from the manufacturing process... are you kidding me?"

And yet the CBS team proved that new panties straight from the package are covered in DNA from manufacturing.

The linked video is something anyone would be proud of.

The Boulder authorities were absolutely WRONG to exonerate because of the DNA in the panties - they could not rule out the manufacturing process.

This is all about wealth and politics.

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