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In hindsight, are you happy with the way you voted in Brexit?

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THREE BIASED JUIDGES >>> SO NO JUSTICE

Post by Tony Bennett on 03.11.16 21:50

Seen today on another forum - and highly relevant:

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Let's take a look at the identity of the judges behind today's High Court Ruling:

*High Court judge Philip Sales is an old crony of Blair's. He practiced at the law chambers 11KBW of which Blair was a founding member. He was appointed to Blair's legal team soon after the 1997 election, where, while becoming one of the highest paid publicly funded lawyers in the country, Sales defended the Government’s decision against holding a public inquiry into the Iraq War in the High Court in 2005. Even once Blair left office, Sale's favours to him were not over. Only this summer he OVERRULED the previous High Court decision to allow 130,000 disenfranchised Labour Party members to vote in the leadership election, a decision designed to help the Blairites. Sales as good as takes his instructions directly from Blair, the very man who is publicly seeking to sabotage Brexit.

*The second judge Terence Etherton was appointed a High Court judge in 2001 while Blair was in office He was then promoted to Lord Justice of Appeal by Gordon Brown.

*The third judge, Lord Chief Justice, Lord Thomas is a founding member of the European Law Institute which has the goal of "enhancing European legal integration". Surely a conflict of interests?!

We need a full enquiry into how the Remainers in general, and Tony Blair in particular have been able to stuff the benches with their supporters.

This decision today represents not just the subversion of British democracy, but also the complete corruption of our legal system.

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Re: In hindsight, are you happy with the way you voted in Brexit?

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Post by Verdi on 03.11.16 23:23

I can't answer for the accuracy of any wikipedia entry but this is how it stands at present as regards the subject of UK referendums in general [snipped]..

Status of Referendums

There are two types of referendum that have been held by the UK Government, pre-legislative (held before proposed legislation is passed) and post-legislative (held after legislation is passed). To date the previous three UK-wide referendums in 1975, 2011 and 2016 were all post-legislative. Referendums are not legally binding, so legally the Government can ignore the results; for example, even if the result of a pre-legislative referendum were a majority of "No" for a proposed law, Parliament could pass it anyway, because parliament is sovereign.

For any UK-wide referendum to be held legislation has to be passed by the UK Parliament for each vote to take place as there is no pre-determined format or voting franchise for any such vote however unlike a general election is no legal requirement for HM Government to not take any official position in any such vote although in 1975 under the then Prime Minister Harold Wilson the government formally recommended a "Yes" vote to staying in the European Community and in 2016 formally recommended a "Remain" vote to stay in the European Union (a decision which indirectly led to the resignation of David Cameron as Prime Minister following the decision to "Leave the European Union" by the British electorate) but in the 2011 no official position was taken as the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government was split on the issue.

Legally, Parliament at any point in future could reverse legislation approved by referendum, because the concept of parliamentary sovereignty means no Parliament can prevent a future Parliament from amending or repealing legislation. However, reversing legislation approved by referendum would be unprecedented.

Planned Referendums

The Conservative Party announced that they plan to hold a referendum on whether Britain should remain in the European Union (following a renegotiation of powers between the UK and EU), in 2017. However, their Liberal Democrat coalition partners took an opposing stance so it was not Coalition Government policy. The Conservatives then attempted to pass the required legislation as a Private Member's Bill (the European Union (Referendum) Bill 2013-14 introduced by Conservative MP James Wharton), but this was not passed by the House of Lords. Following the United Kingdom general election, 2015 the Prime Minister, David Cameron committed the new Conservative government to holding the referendum. It took place on 23 June 2016.[3] The referendum resulted in an overall vote to leave the EU, as opposed to remaining an EU member, by 51.9% to 48.1%, respectively.

Organisation and Legislation

There was no public body to regulate referendums within the United Kingdom until the Labour government led by Tony Blair in 2000 set out a framework for the running of all future referendums when the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 or PPERA was passed, creating and giving the Electoral Commission responsibility for running all elections and such future referendums. The Act also permitted the appointment of a "Chief counting officer (CCO)" to oversee all future UK-wide referendums which would be held by the Chairperson of the Electoral Commission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_in_the_United_Kingdom

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Post by sallypelt on 03.11.16 23:29

This is one of the comments on the Daily Mail:

"I got talking to a few Remainers today about all of it - they didn't and still do not believe Brexit was the right decision, but they were disgusted about the idea of overturning it, they said that they accepted the result of the majority and that the result should not be overturned, or else democracy will be dead and gone. This will cause a massive uproar to both Remain and Leave voters and make us all feel ignored and that we don't get a say".

If the MPs vote against Brexit, they are in BIG trouble. This is no longer about whether one voted Brexit or Remain. This is making a mockery of democracy, and the people are not going to take this laying down.

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Post by BlueBag on 04.11.16 7:02

@sallypelt wrote:If the MPs vote against Brexit, they are in BIG trouble. This is no longer about whether one voted Brexit or Remain. This is making a mockery of democracy, and the people are not going to take this laying down.
But they will say they will vote for it, they are all pro-democracy.

That is... that is they will vote for it if they think the deal is best for the British people.

They'll want to see the deal first.

But there will certainly be no deal before March 2017.

There will be lots of lobbying and NEW debate (making the referendum campaign null and void).

Then if ever a deal appears it will never be "right" for the British people (or immigrants) or it will mean that nothing has changed very much.

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Post by BlueBag on 04.11.16 7:10

Who appointed that dodgy set of judges?

They don't get drawn out of a hat do they?

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Post by Verdi on 04.11.16 12:16

@sallypelt wrote:
If the MPs vote against Brexit, they are in BIG trouble. This is no longer about whether one voted Brexit or Remain. This is making a mockery of democracy, and the people are not going to take this laying down.
I don't think MPs need to openly vote against Brexit to veto the referendum result - there must be numerous more devious ways they can better achieve Bremain without losing face.

There is no such thing as true democracy - it's but a word brandished about by politicians to gain popularity and thus win votes.  In short, you plebeians can say whatever you like, just don't expect us to listen.  Besides, the majority of the electorate are too busy with their own daily trials and tribulations to get too involved with politics.  So long as the money's coming in regularly, the bills are paid, they can afford all the latest technology for themselves and their kids - the rest of the world can go to hell.  Hands up all those (apart from you @BlueBag:) who take a genuine daily interest in the UK's political machinations? 

So much of this is media hype, despite what people like to believe they still influence public opinion and will continue so to do.  Let's face it, the press survived the much feared wireless and years later the television, considered at the time to be the enemy of the press and public, a propaganda machine (which has proved to be true) - now it's the internet and social media, the new-age enemy that will be absorbed by the system and overcome in the same way.

In a manner of speaking, I believe the internet has an adverse effect on it's own power and is therefore as about as informative as the The Daily Star  - on a bad day,  you can't rely on anything you read. The establishment throw out little bones for their slaves to chew on as a distraction, whilst they continue their hedonistic in-house power games. 

Nothing changes - oh me of little faith.

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Post by roy rovers on 04.11.16 12:37

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@roy rovers wrote:https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/publications/santos-and-m-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-european-union-transcripts/

Interesting transcripts from the court case about whether the government can trigger article 50 without parliamentary approval. It would only involve trampling over the Bill of Rights and 350 years of history but what the hell.
You may be forgetting the very simple point that on 23 June the British people made a decision.

Look up any definition of 'referendum' and it will tell you that it means a situation where a Parliament or government refers the matter to the people to decide the issue one way or the other.

Cameron and his 'Project Fear' cronies repeatedly warned us: "If you vote Leave, on the day after you do so, I will trigger Article 50".  

17.4 million plus people heard this, considered this, and voted for us to leave the European Union.

Teresa May's job is to fulfil that.

She will also try and negotiate good terms.

But even if she doesn't, she must execute our decision and must NOT refert he terms she achieves to Parliament for decision.

After all, three quarters of our MPs voted to stay IN. That just shows you what an out-of-touch bunch of people they are.

The architects of the Bill of Rights would be utterly contemptuous of anyone seeking to reverse a decision of the people.

It was, after all, the people who voted with their feet and, by rising up en masse, got rid of that cruel tyrant, Roman Catholic James II and, with the aid of the easterly 'Protestant wind' blowing William & Mary to the shores of England from Holland, instituted good, godly government and gave us many of the freedoms we now enjoy.

Have you ever read the Bill of Rights? It states categorically that we must never be ruled by 'foreign princes, powers and potentates'.

Joining the EU/Common Market in 1973 was the biggest single breach of the Bill of Rights there has ever been!
The three judges were acting to uphold the law. It might help if you read the arguments at the link above or even the judgement which is quite short. https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/judgments/r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-european-union/
The real scandal is that the government was ILLEGALLY trying to circumvent parliament. Sorry if that doesn't fit you Brexit mindset but it still matters to a few people.

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Post by BlueBag on 04.11.16 12:47

@roy rovers wrote:

The three judges were acting to uphold the law. It might help if you read the arguments at the link above or even the judgement which is quite short. https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/judgments/r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-european-union/
The real scandal is that the government was ILLEGALLY trying to circumvent parliament. Sorry if that doesn't fit you Brexit mindset but it still matters to a few people.
Says a remainer.

The people are sovereign.

Parliament serves the people not the other way around.

We've had civil wars over this nonsense.

Parliament have NO MANDATE to circumvent the will of the people in a referendum.

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Post by BlueBag on 04.11.16 13:25

Any MP who is going to oppose the trigger of Article 50 should resign now and stand for reelection and state their position.

If they don't they have no right to take part in any Parliamentary process over Article 50.

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Post by roy rovers on 04.11.16 13:59

@BlueBag wrote:
@roy rovers wrote:

The three judges were acting to uphold the law. It might help if you read the arguments at the link above or even the judgement which is quite short. https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/judgments/r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-european-union/
The real scandal is that the government was ILLEGALLY trying to circumvent parliament. Sorry if that doesn't fit you Brexit mindset but it still matters to a few people.
Says a remainer.

The people are sovereign.

Parliament serves the people not the other way around.

We've had civil wars over this nonsense.

Parliament have NO MANDATE to circumvent the will of the people in a referendum.
Oh God whatever next! We had civil wars to establish parliament's rights (ie the rights of the people) over those of the sovereign. The government's intention to use the royal prerogative to invoke article 50 without reference to parliament is UNLAWFUL. Hitler started off like this. Here is a good book on the subject of the English Civil War which I thoroughly recommend. You could have it in your hands tomorrow if you buy it today on Amazon. It's not the Daily Mail but you might still like it. You'd certainly learn something.  https://www.amazon.co.uk/English-Civil-War-Peoples-History/dp/0007150628

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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.11.16 14:28

@roy rovers wrote:
Oh God whatever next! We had civil wars to establish parliament's rights (ie the rights of the people) over those of the sovereign. The government's intention to use the royal prerogative to invoke article 50 without reference to parliament is UNLAWFUL. Hitler started off like this. Here is a good book on the subject of the English Civil War which I thoroughly recommend. You could have it in your hands tomorrow if you buy it today on Amazon. It's not the Daily Mail but you might still like it. You'd certainly learn something.  https://www.amazon.co.uk/English-Civil-War-Peoples-History/dp/0007150628
Sorry, @ roy rovers, this is complete and utter nonsense.

The Queen's prerogative powers are exercised by the government on many occasions, by accepted convention, fully consistent with Parliamentary sovereignty.

In any case, if these powers were to be exercised in the case of BREXIT, it would be wholly appropriate because in this case they would be exercised on behalf of the 17.4 million-plus people who won the referendum. 

People, including yourself, have clearly momentarily forgotten that according to constitutional experts, it is:

A The British people who are sovereign and that

B Parliament is sovereign on behalf of the people, and

C That a referendum, by any definition and most certainly in this case, is a DECISION referred by Parliament to the people.

Bear in mind also that MPS were badly out of touch with the people on this issue; nearly 75% of them voted 'Remain'  

Just, also, may I make this point.

My vote was: I wish the UK to leave the EU.

It was not something like: "Well, I really rather would like us to leave the EU, but, you know, only if the government sort of reaches a deal with the EU that I'm fairly happy with".

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Post by roy rovers on 04.11.16 14:35

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@roy rovers wrote:
Oh God whatever next! We had civil wars to establish parliament's rights (ie the rights of the people) over those of the sovereign. The government's intention to use the royal prerogative to invoke article 50 without reference to parliament is UNLAWFUL. Hitler started off like this. Here is a good book on the subject of the English Civil War which I thoroughly recommend. You could have it in your hands tomorrow if you buy it today on Amazon. It's not the Daily Mail but you might still like it. You'd certainly learn something.  https://www.amazon.co.uk/English-Civil-War-Peoples-History/dp/0007150628
Sorry, @ roy rovers, this is complete and utter nonsense.

The Queen's prerogative powers are exercised by the government on many occasions, by accepted convention, fully consistent with Parliamentary sovereignty.

In any case, if these powers were to be exercised in the case of BREXIT, it would be wholly appropriate because in this case they would be exercised on behalf of the 17.4 million-plus people who won the referendum. 

People, including yourself, have clearly momentarily forgotten that according to constitutional experts, it is:

A The British people who are sovereign and that

B Parliament is sovereign on behalf of the people, and

C That a referendum, by any definition and most certainly in this case, is a DECISION referred by Parliament to the people.

Bear in mind also that MPS were badly out of touch with the people on this issue; nearly 75% of them voted 'Remain'  

Just, also, may I make this point.

My vote was: I wish the UK to leave the EU.

It was not something like: "Well, I really rather would like us to leave the EU, but, you know, only if the government sort of reaches a deal with the EU that I'm fairly happy with".
You never read it did you?

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Post by BlueBag on 04.11.16 14:37

@roy rovers wrote:

Oh God whatever next! We had civil wars to establish parliament's rights (ie the rights of the people) over those of the sovereign.
The referendum has expressed the wish of the people who are sovereign.

That takes precedence over Parliament because it is the purest form of democracy.

Any MP who wants to oppose the will of the people should abstain in any vote over article 50 or stand for re-election stating his position on Brexit.

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Post by BlueBag on 04.11.16 14:39

@roy rovers wrote:

You never read it did you?
I read it.

The judges expressed an interpretation of the law.

Other judges could well express different interpretations.

Nobody voted for these judges.

However someone selected them for this case and two at least are dodgy.

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Post by BlueBag on 04.11.16 14:47

For the record... a different interpretation of constitutional law.

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2016/07/08/thomas-fairclough-article-50-and-the-royal-prerogative/

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Post by roy rovers on 04.11.16 14:57

@BlueBag wrote:
@roy rovers wrote:

You never read it did you?
I read it.

The judges expressed an interpretation of the law.

Other judges could well express different interpretations.

Nobody voted for these judges.

However someone selected them for this case and two at least are dodgy.
I get it - you know the answer whereas the three High Court judges got it wrong and the nine Supreme Court Judges will get it wrong (when they inevitably confirm the decision as any right minded person will see that they must). What a pity that they forgot to call you to impart to them your undoubted insight into constitutional law. They are mere 'experts' after all and we are in a post 'expert' environment now.

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Post by BlueBag on 04.11.16 15:01

@roy rovers wrote:

I get it - you know the answer whereas the three High Court judges got it wrong and the nine Supreme Court Judges will get it wrong (when they inevitably confirm the decision as any right minded person will see that they must). What a pity that they forgot to call you to impart to them your undoubted insight into constitutional law. They are mere 'experts' after all and we are in a post 'expert' environment now.
More differing interpretations.

http://www.lawyersforbritain.org/referendum-binding.shtml

So you think the three unelected, unaccountable High Court judges are the equivalent of God?

I get it.

Do you know how they got this case? No one else seems to.



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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.11.16 15:06

@roy rovers wrote:
Hitler started off like this.
Er, no.

Hitler achieved a measure of power in 1933 but wanted more. I think von Hindenburg was a weak President at time.

Hitler then called a referendum - I forget the exact wording but what it amounted to was:

"Do you agree to give me complete power over everything?" 

Blighted with poverty, unemployment and roaraway inflation, and believing Hitler would be a saviour to them, they voted 'Yes" by a narrow majority.

And the rest, as they say, is history.

I think in fairness you must agree that leaving Theresa May to implement 'Brexit means Brexit', voted for by 17.4 million people, and restoring power to the British people and their Parliament is rather different, no?

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Post by BlueBag on 04.11.16 15:18

The GOVERNMENT leaflet about the referendum sent to every household in the country.

This is what the people were told about their vote.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/525022/20160523_Leaflet_EASY_READ_FINAL_VERSION.pdf

A referendum is when the Government asks every adult who can vote to choose something. 

On June 23rd we can choose whether the UK should either: • Remain in the European Union (EU) or • Leave the European Union (EU). 

A decision that will make a big difference for you, your family and your children

This is your decision

That's what we were told.

We chose.

We decided.

It's black and white.

Now the choice of the people is being obstructed by un-elected unaccountable entities with no mandate, and elected entities also without mandate.

It's a disgrace.

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Post by Verdi on 04.11.16 15:50

Brexit: Majority of UK now wants to stay in EU, poll finds

Research suggests voters' views on EU membership have changed since the June referendum, with Remain now having majority support by the narrowest of margins

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A majority of voters now want the UK to remain in the EU, a poll has suggested.

Remaining is now backed by an extremely slim majority of 51 per cent, versus 49 per cent who wish to leave the EU.

This suggests a small number of voters have changed their views since the UK voted to leave the EU by a margin of 52-48 on 23 June.

The research, conducted by BMG Research, found the main swell of support came from people who did not vote in the referendum over the summer. Of those who didn't vote in June, 46 per cent said they now would in order to back EU membership, while 27 per cent said they would in order to vote to leave.

Following the referendum result, reports emerged of people who claimed to regret casting their ballot for Brexit, who came to be known as 'Bregret' voters.

The news follows a landmark judgment today in the High Court that the Government cannot trigger Article 50 without consulting parliament first. A lawyer for the challengers bringing the case told The Independent he expects this could delay Brexit. He said: "This is a resounding defence of our parliamentary democracy from our unanimous court.

"It certainly means the Government will need to prepare proper proposals, put those to Parliament and have them debated. They won't be able to move as swiftly as they might hve liked. It will have to move in a democratic manner."

10 Downing Street has insisted Prime Minister Theresa May's plans to trigger Article 50 by March will not be affected by the ruling.

The Government is now appealing the case, with the contest expected to be heard in December. The Independent understands the Supreme Court is due to hear the case on 7 and 8 December.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-majority-uk-remain-eu-theresa-may-article-50-second-referendum-latest-a7395811.html

I'd be very interested to learn where and how this research poll was conducted.

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Post by roy rovers on 04.11.16 16:52

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@roy rovers wrote:
Hitler started off like this.
Er, no.

Hitler achieved a measure of power in 1933 but wanted more. I think von Hindenburg was a weak President at time.

Hitler then called a referendum - I forget the exact wording but what it amounted to was:

"Do you agree to give me complete power over everything?" 

Blighted with poverty, unemployment and roaraway inflation, and believing Hitler would be a saviour to them, they voted 'Yes" by a narrow majority.

And the rest, as they say, is history.

I think in fairness you must agree that leaving Theresa May to implement 'Brexit means Brexit', voted for by 17.4 million people, and restoring power to the British people and their Parliament is rather different, no?
I think ignoring the constitution and invoking article 50 using prerogative powers could be the 'thin end of the wedge' and eternal vigilance is needed even where in this case it appears to suit purposes of the Bexiteer's dash to trigger article 50. Why the rush if you are so sure the will of the people is so steadfast?

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Post by roy rovers on 04.11.16 16:53

@BlueBag wrote:The GOVERNMENT leaflet about the referendum sent to every household in the country.

This is what the people were told about their vote.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/525022/20160523_Leaflet_EASY_READ_FINAL_VERSION.pdf

A referendum is when the Government asks every adult who can vote to choose something. 

On June 23rd we can choose whether the UK should either: • Remain in the European Union (EU) or • Leave the European Union (EU). 

A decision that will make a big difference for you, your family and your children

This is your decision

That's what we were told.

We chose.

We decided.

It's black and white.

Now the choice of the people is being obstructed by un-elected unaccountable entities with no mandate, and elected entities also without mandate.

It's a disgrace.
Did nobody mention the word 'advisory' to you?

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Re: In hindsight, are you happy with the way you voted in Brexit?

Post by roy rovers on 04.11.16 17:00

@Verdi wrote:Brexit: Majority of UK now wants to stay in EU, poll finds

Research suggests voters' views on EU membership have changed since the June referendum, with Remain now having majority support by the narrowest of margins

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A majority of voters now want the UK to remain in the EU, a poll has suggested.

Remaining is now backed by an extremely slim majority of 51 per cent, versus 49 per cent who wish to leave the EU.

This suggests a small number of voters have changed their views since the UK voted to leave the EU by a margin of 52-48 on 23 June.

The research, conducted by BMG Research, found the main swell of support came from people who did not vote in the referendum over the summer. Of those who didn't vote in June, 46 per cent said they now would in order to back EU membership, while 27 per cent said they would in order to vote to leave.

Following the referendum result, reports emerged of people who claimed to regret casting their ballot for Brexit, who came to be known as 'Bregret' voters.

The news follows a landmark judgment today in the High Court that the Government cannot trigger Article 50 without consulting parliament first. A lawyer for the challengers bringing the case told The Independent he expects this could delay Brexit. He said: "This is a resounding defence of our parliamentary democracy from our unanimous court.

"It certainly means the Government will need to prepare proper proposals, put those to Parliament and have them debated. They won't be able to move as swiftly as they might hve liked. It will have to move in a democratic manner."

10 Downing Street has insisted Prime Minister Theresa May's plans to trigger Article 50 by March will not be affected by the ruling.

The Government is now appealing the case, with the contest expected to be heard in December. The Independent understands the Supreme Court is due to hear the case on 7 and 8 December.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-majority-uk-remain-eu-theresa-may-article-50-second-referendum-latest-a7395811.html

I'd be very interested to learn where and how this research poll was conducted.
As you're not just 'interested' but 'very interested' you might try Googling BMG Research and then looking at their News where they explain what they did. http://www.bmgresearch.co.uk/tories-best-party-handle-brexit/
I'll be 'very interested' in the polling next year when the price rises really start to come through. I'm no expert - not that it matters nowadays.

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Re: In hindsight, are you happy with the way you voted in Brexit?

Post by Tony Bennett on 04.11.16 17:12

@roy rovers wrote:
Did nobody mention the word 'advisory' to you?
@ roy rovers    Please be so good as to inform us all of the total number of times anyone said, before the referendum, 'Look, this is advisory only', or similar.

I think the number will be zero, but I shall be most interested if you can even find one. This is a genuine enquiry and challenge: please take as long as you need to find any examples.

Even if you find more than one, I will be able to counter with 10,000 times 10,000 fully referenced quotes such as:

'You decide'

'It's your decision'

'Once in a lifetime decision'

'If you vote to leave, Article 50 will be triggered the next day'

''We will implement what you decide' 

'It's your choice'

'Your democratic right to choose'

etc. etc.

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