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Dr Christian Ludke interview revisited - November 2007

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Post by kangdang on 13.08.10 19:16

An article I read again recently and thought that others may wish to refresh their memory, or perhaps for some, read for the first time

Dr Gerald McCann started keeping a “blog” as a daily diary of events while he and his wife stayed in Portugal after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The blogs were bizarre and sometimes banal. Most people felt they were an inappropriate thing to be writing when supposedly grieving over a missing daughter. Read this interview with leading criminal psychologist Dr Christian Ludke where he refers to Gerry’s blogs.

Interviewer: You have since early on warned that behavior of Gerry and Kate McCann is pointing towards them being involved, what had made you feel that way?

Ludke: In the latest years I have often been in contact with parents who had lost their child due to a crime. They are under massive shock, were helpless, were insecure, withdrawing themselves. They have an inner struggle, blaming themselves for possibly not have looked enough after their child.

Interviewer: Was it different with the McCanns?

Ludke: They live completely different, often harmonic. Already after a few days they went jogging, as if that was a normal thing to do, they always came together. These parents took matters into their own hands instead of leaving matters in the hands of the police. They distanced themselves from their two other children by going on a European tour, that to me is very strange.

Interviewer: Maybe it was an accident?

Ludke: No. In such a case, after the first shock they would have trusted the police. Both parents are doctors, in case of an accident they would have tried to get help. It is even more unrealistic that of all people two doctors would leave 3 children alone in a strange environment, even more at night. I have many doctors as patients. As professionals they know all that can happen to children, and as parents they are overly protective.

Interviewer: What could have been the motive, to disappear their own daughter?

Ludke: There are parents who have little to no emotional binding with a child. Often such a child is considered a burden, that is treated in a brutal or perverse way. The most known is the Munchhausen-by proxy-Syndrome: The mother hurts the child until it is almost not alive anymore and then calls for the police because she herself has a huge wish for attention.

Interviewer: Do you think it is possible that Madeleine’s parents have killed Madeleine together and hidden her?

Ludke: I believe both have perpetrator knowledge.

Interviewer: You mean, the McCanns have planned the death of their daughter?

Ludke: Yes, it is possible that they have planned the act for a long time, at least in must have been in their minds often and they must have spoken about it together. Otherwise they would now be contradicting each others.

Interviewer: When parents are guilty of killing their child, do they block that out of their minds?

Ludke: not likely. Both are very much conscious, give interviews, travel. It is for them easier to lie than to tell the truth.

One can rule out a psychoses. Many things are pointing towards mentally disturbed. The children of the McCanns were conceived artificially, that can lead to problems in parenthood. Maybe a lack of self esteem that is not often talked about. Maybe the child had to die for a problem that had been going on for many years.

Interviewer: But the McCanns seem perfect and loving parents.

Ludke: That image to the outside world can be due to a guilt mechanism when on a media campaign, and to distract from the real problem.

Interviewer: Why do they not go back to Great Britain?

Ludke: That also speaks against them, when someone looses a child they want to be with loved ones in a trusted surrounding. When they continue to stay on that resort, there were something terrible happened the worse that can happen to a parent, being loosing a child, that points towards a permanent survival instinct, images of what happened must pop up when being there. That the McCanns do not return home, where they also can have memories of happy times with their children can be a way out, to not be de-connected with what they have done.

Interviewer: The world thinks it is impossible that these parents can be guilty.

Ludke: the media are probably been taken on by the McCanns. Very soon they have been thinking of themselves instead of of the child. De parents were treated like the Beckhams. In his Internet diary the father writes almost daily about that and irrelevant/banal things, which shirt he was wearing, what the weather is like. That isn’t a father that is worried. Statistically 70 percent of all the violence against children is caused by the parents, family members or friends. That has unfortunately not been looked into. The Portuguese police was treated very unfairly when pointing towards that.

About Criminal Psychologist Dr. Christian Ludke:

Hochschulstudium:
1. Staatsexamen (Sek. II) in Erziehungswissenschaft, kath. Theologie und Sport Promotion zum Doktor der Philosophie in der Facherkombination Erziehungswissenschaft, Soziologie und Sportmedizin

Berufserfahrung:
1989: New York / USA, Arbeit mit schwer erziehbaren Kindern- und Jugendlichen
1991-1999: Psychologische Ausbildung von Spezialeinheiten (SEK, MEK und VG) bei der Fortbildungsstelle Spezialeinheiten der Polizei in NRW
1999-2001: Wissenschaftlicher Mitarbeiter der Universit ln / Lehrstuhl Klinische Psychologie und Psychotherapie

2001-2007: Geschhrer der HumanProtect Consulting GmbH
Psychologische Akutintervention und Rehabilitation nach (Bank-)Ãllen, Geiselnahmen, Unfllen, Katastrophen und anderen belastenden Ereignissen

Website:
http://emdr-luedke.de/index.html

Source http://madeleinemccann.org/main/2007/2164/dr-christian-ludke/ (An excellent site for looking over old articles)

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Re: Dr Christian Ludke interview revisited - November 2007

Post by MikeyB on 13.08.10 19:42

Has this guy had a letter from Carter Ruck yet does anyone know?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 13.08.10 20:44

@Mike wrote:Has this guy had a letter from Carter Ruck yet does anyone know?
Dr Ludke has the distinct advantage, from the point of view of avoiding receiving letters from the self-proclaimed 'Britian's most feared libel lawyers', of living in, er, Germany.

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Post by ufercoffy on 13.08.10 22:06

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Mike wrote:Has this guy had a letter from Carter Ruck yet does anyone know?
Dr Ludke has the distinct advantage, from the point of view of avoiding receiving letters from the self-proclaimed 'Britian's most feared libel lawyers', of living in, er, Germany.

So it's only the UK and Portugal on their hit list?

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Post by Kololi on 13.08.10 22:11

Surely this can't be right.


"Interviewer: You mean, the McCanns have planned the death of their daughter?

Ludke: Yes, it is possible that they have planned the act for a long time, at least in must have been in their minds often and they must have spoken about it together. Otherwise they would now be contradicting each others."



What parents would plan the death of their child?

I do wonder sometimes if the information given, such as the timelines for checking the children etc., has been manipulated a bit but to think that they would coldly plan to murder their daughter is too hard for me to believe I am afraid.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 13.08.10 22:28

@Kololi wrote:Surely this can't be right.


"Interviewer: You mean, the McCanns have planned the death of their daughter?

Ludke: Yes, it is possible that they have planned the act for a long time, at least in must have been in their minds often and they must have spoken about it together. Otherwise they would now be contradicting each others."



What parents would plan the death of their child?

I do wonder sometimes if the information given, such as the timelines for checking the children etc., has been manipulated a bit but to think that they would coldly plan to murder their daughter is too hard for me to believe I am afraid.

I have always thought it was planned.

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Post by Judge Mental on 13.08.10 22:44

Then let us hope they are never shown in the public eye heading organisations as role models for other parents and parents to be.

One has to admit there is still much concern as to why Gerald McCann went to PDL that week. He colourfully admitted to his friend Payne that he was not there for a holiday, but did not furnish us further with what he was actually there for.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 13.08.10 22:47

@Judge Mental wrote:Then let us hope they are never shown in the public eye heading organisations as role models for other parents and parents to be.

One has to admit there is still much concern as to why Gerald McCann went to PDL that week. He colourfully admitted to his friend Payne that he was not there for a holiday, but did not furnish us further with what he was actually there for.
Which leads us on to one of the most extraordinary aspects of this whole affair.

Who took that video?

Who forwarded it to YouTube.

And why?

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Post by ufercoffy on 13.08.10 22:51

And how come the Mc's haven't demanded its removal like they did with your video where you read the 48 questions.

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Post by ufercoffy on 13.08.10 22:54

That vid was uploaded by onedeadastronaut - isn't that astro from Morais site?



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Post by ufercoffy on 13.08.10 23:05

How did astro get hold of the video?

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Post by kangdang on 13.08.10 23:11

@Judge Mental wrote:Then let us hope they are never shown in the public eye heading organisations as role models for other parents and parents to be.

One has to admit there is still much concern as to why Gerald McCann went to PDL that week. He colourfully admitted to his friend Payne that he was not there for a holiday, but did not furnish us further with what he was actually there for.



Was it ever established just how that video came to be on Youtube?

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Post by ufercoffy on 13.08.10 23:13

I posted above that astro from joanna morais site uploaded it. No idea how she got it.

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Post by kangdang on 13.08.10 23:23

@ufercoffy wrote:I posted above that astro from joanna morais site uploaded it. No idea how she got it.

Hmmm, yes I noticed that after I had made my post. The following question of course remains, how did Astro get that video?

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Post by ufercoffy on 13.08.10 23:32

@kangdang wrote:
@ufercoffy wrote:I posted above that astro from joanna morais site uploaded it. No idea how she got it.

Hmmm, yes I noticed that after I had made my post. The following question of course remains, how did Astro get that video?

Strange isn't it?

Almost as strange as astro, joanna and justagrannynow1 all turning against the MF around the same time whilst supporting the ever increasing lunatic Butler.

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.08.10 4:46

@Kololi wrote:Surely this can't be right.


"Interviewer: You mean, the McCanns have planned the death of their daughter?

Ludke: Yes, it is possible that they have planned the act for a long time, at least in must have been in their minds often and they must have spoken about it together. Otherwise they would now be contradicting each others."



What parents would plan the death of their child?

I do wonder sometimes if the information given, such as the timelines for checking the children etc., has been manipulated a bit but to think that they would coldly plan to murder their daughter is too hard for me to believe I am afraid.

If speculation of a difficult Maddie hence regular abuse of Maddie holds water, then crossing the thin line during a fit of fury with intention to radically harm cannot be discounted.

Even if they didnt deliberately intended her to die, then let's say the death didnt disorientate or emotional disturbed them beyond the point of them contradicting each other which would be the usual in a self inflicted accident.

Doubtless, the criminal psychologist is looking from the angle that they were calm, collected, story synchronised that suggests pre-discussed agreement of some sorts, which would suggest her death, accidental or otherwise, was not self-caused accidental, but caused by ...........ssssssssh.... I can only whisper it .......you know who, hence the need to synchronise story to cover each other.

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.08.10 4:49

@ufercoffy wrote:And how come the Mc's haven't demanded its removal like they did with your video where you read the 48 questions.

That's an extremely good and valid question!

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.08.10 4:59

@ufercoffy wrote:
@kangdang wrote:
@ufercoffy wrote:I posted above that astro from joanna morais site uploaded it. No idea how she got it.

Hmmm, yes I noticed that after I had made my post. The following question of course remains, how did Astro get that video?

Strange isn't it?

Almost as strange as astro, joanna and justagrannynow1 all turning against the MF around the same time whilst supporting the ever increasing lunatic Butler.

My two cents:
Imho, these people are pro Butler.
Rather the impression I get is they think MF should not be seen to be associated with Amaral Goncalo, because that can be mal viewed, when his defamation trial comes up...

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Post by Judge Mental on 14.08.10 14:09

What people have to bear in mind when stating that The Madeleine Foundation may not be good for Amaral or that it can affect his chances of winning the case, is that TMF has the support of many people throughout Europe and worldwide. It is all very well to sit tutting and puffing at one's keyboard and going through the police files and theorising about what really happened to Madeleine, but leaving Amaral aside for one moment, whom else is actually putting their neck on the block and preparing documents to official bodies and putting their own signature on those documents?

Amaral has the unwaivering support of some of his ex-colleagues and many countrymen in Portugal. What use are those of us who tap away daily on our keyboards, to a man who needs to know there are bodies of people and official groups working in his interests to make people aware that he is fighting for freedom of speech and that he needs monetary support to fight what may end up being a very expensive court case and that he still needs the support of the world's public.

Does any single one of us believe for a moment that any of the Tapas 9 want it to be revealed in written English that the Leicester police deliberately withheld the Gaspars statements for more than FIVE MONTHS?

Do they want it revealed in written English that the British contingent of police were revealing information to the Tapas 9 and Mitchell? Would they want the world's public to know that their statements were not consistent with each others and that some were subject to change at every interview?

Keyboard warriors are only of use if we continue to make the public more aware of Amaral's plight and encourage people to donate and support him. Their reluctance or inability to donate is up to their own conscience or whether they can possibly afford to. For those who cannot afford to help moneywise, they can sign petitions or start new petitions or if they cannot be bothered to do that, they can simply show a tiny degree of support for TMF by keeping their personal grudges against Tony Bennett to themselves. If they think they can do better, why not suggest how they would do things better?

Should the TMF simply abandon Amaral and let him limp by with having a lot of well-wishers and 'friends' on the internet? Should we just forget that the UK Government, and Hogg in particular are trying to get the public to accept that Madeleine will be coming home one day, after we have seen the results of the sniffer dog investigations?

Nobody has ever been asked to join TMF for life and pledge their allegiance in blood. Nobody has been asked to agree with all its principles or manifesto.

Let us remember that England is a country which has been sat on the threshold of national security issues and potentially horrendous diplomatic rows and incidents simply because one small group of people could not tell the time of day and would not account for their whereabouts after a child was alleged to have been stolen from her bed by a swarthy-looking foreign person.

Amaral cannot ask the questions that TMF and Tony Bennett are asking, so who would like to take up Tony Bennett's job and make a better job of it?

One has known Tony Bennett for some considerable time and has seen him come up against great authority and always get results. Having heard from many people who have various angles on his work and personality, one has to say that there is not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that he is untrustworthy in any way. If there was one concrete story, we may be assured that it would be in the mainstream press and inserted into every blog at every opportunity on the internet.

It is a grave pity that relations have broken down for whatever reasons between site owners, bloggers and various groups of people, however the fact remains that there are only two opposing viewpoints. There are those who wish to find out what really happened to Madeleine and those who do not wish the Tapas 9 to ever have to answer to a court. One has consistently pledged one's allegiance to finding out what really happened to Madeleine, no matter what petty squabbling and derisory rubbish is written about TMF. If somebody had come up with better ideas in the past three years, one would have switched that allegiance.

One is now open to offers and prepared for the challenge of a quicker and better road to finding a solution than the one currently provided by TMF, and will happily start a new thread to display any flashes of inspiration or alternatives that any poster prints.

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Post by Guest on 14.08.10 14:43

Great post Judge. clapping clapping Sums it all up.

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.08.10 14:48

@aiyoyo wrote:
@ufercoffy wrote:
@kangdang wrote:
@ufercoffy wrote:I posted above that astro from joanna morais site uploaded it. No idea how she got it.

Hmmm, yes I noticed that after I had made my post. The following question of course remains, how did Astro get that video?

Strange isn't it?

Almost as strange as astro, joanna and justagrannynow1 all turning against the MF around the same time whilst supporting the ever increasing lunatic Butler.

My two cents:
Imho, these people are pro Butler.
Rather the impression I get is they think MF should not be seen to be associated with Amaral Goncalo, because that can be mal viewed, when his defamation trial comes up...


correction:

I meant to say ".......people are not pro butler." I dont think anyone can be pro her really .....

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.08.10 15:09

@Judge Mental wrote:What people have to bear in mind when stating that The Madeleine Foundation may not be good for Amaral or that it can affect his chances of winning the case, is that TMF has the support of many people throughout Europe and worldwide. It is all very well to sit tutting and puffing at one's keyboard and going through the police files and theorising about what really happened to Madeleine, but leaving Amaral aside for one moment, whom else is actually putting their neck on the block and preparing documents to official bodies and putting their own signature on those documents?

Amaral has the unwaivering support of some of his ex-colleagues and many countrymen in Portugal. What use are those of us who tap away daily on our keyboards, to a man who needs to know there are bodies of people and official groups working in his interests to make people aware that he is fighting for freedom of speech and that he needs monetary support to fight what may end up being a very expensive court case and that he still needs the support of the world's public.

Does any single one of us believe for a moment that any of the Tapas 9 want it to be revealed in written English that the Leicester police deliberately withheld the Gaspars statements for more than FIVE MONTHS?

Do they want it revealed in written English that the British contingent of police were revealing information to the Tapas 9 and Mitchell? Would they want the world's public to know that their statements were not consistent with each others and that some were subject to change at every interview?

Keyboard warriors are only of use if we continue to make the public more aware of Amaral's plight and encourage people to donate and support him. Their reluctance or inability to donate is up to their own conscience or whether they can possibly afford to. For those who cannot afford to help moneywise, they can sign petitions or start new petitions or if they cannot be bothered to do that, they can simply show a tiny degree of support for TMF by keeping their personal grudges against Tony Bennett to themselves. If they think they can do better, why not suggest how they would do things better?

Should the TMF simply abandon Amaral and let him limp by with having a lot of well-wishers and 'friends' on the internet? Should we just forget that the UK Government, and Hogg in particular are trying to get the public to accept that Madeleine will be coming home one day, after we have seen the results of the sniffer dog investigations?

Nobody has ever been asked to join TMF for life and pledge their allegiance in blood. Nobody has been asked to agree with all its principles or manifesto.

Let us remember that England is a country which has been sat on the threshold of national security issues and potentially horrendous diplomatic rows and incidents simply because one small group of people could not tell the time of day and would not account for their whereabouts after a child was alleged to have been stolen from her bed by a swarthy-looking foreign person.

Amaral cannot ask the questions that TMF and Tony Bennett are asking, so who would like to take up Tony Bennett's job and make a better job of it?

One has known Tony Bennett for some considerable time and has seen him come up against great authority and always get results. Having heard from many people who have various angles on his work and personality, one has to say that there is not a scintilla of evidence to suggest that he is untrustworthy in any way. If there was one concrete story, we may be assured that it would be in the mainstream press and inserted into every blog at every opportunity on the internet.

It is a grave pity that relations have broken down for whatever reasons between site owners, bloggers and various groups of people, however the fact remains that there are only two opposing viewpoints. There are those who wish to find out what really happened to Madeleine and those who do not wish the Tapas 9 to ever have to answer to a court. One has consistently pledged one's allegiance to finding out what really happened to Madeleine, no matter what petty squabbling and derisory rubbish is written about TMF. If somebody had come up with better ideas in the past three years, one would have switched that allegiance.

One is now open to offers and prepared for the challenge of a quicker and better road to finding a solution than the one currently provided by TMF, and will happily start a new thread to display any flashes of inspiration or alternatives that any poster prints.



Well said, and some tres bien points.

Dont get me wrong - I was just stating my observation, though I dont understand how those critics arrived at their conclusion. Bit tunnel vision....really.

Mccanns cult blind followers attacking and harrassing TB and MF is an enigma, but others who want the truth for Madeleine, but overreacted by seeing too much into a non-issue thereby drawing unnecessary attention to it, is quite beyond me.

It's insensitive overreaction like theirs that does not help the campaign for the truth.

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Post by Cherry on 14.08.10 16:32

Great post JM

People also need to bear in mind that Clarries job was to shape public opinion, some of the posters who have it in for MF and TB are no doubt imo being paid and also it is highly likely that some of these posters would well be closely associated with Team Mccann and the Tapas lot. Therefore they would do anything in their power to try and discredit anyone who dares to question their 'story', and anyone who tries to bring out into the open the fACTS of the case which the British media have failed to report.

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Post by Kololi on 14.08.10 16:34

I know that trying to put yourself in the McCanns' shoes is frowned upon by some but I simply cannot imagine having to turn to IVF to have a child only to plan her death whilst she is so young because she is a tadge boisterous, that is too whacky for me.

My second child drove me at times to destraction because he wouldn't sleep and generally cried for what felt like 24/7 but I didn't feel the need to plan his murder, enlisting his father to help with my evil deed.

What qualifications or credentials does this guy Ludke actually have that warrants him making such allegations with authority?

As for the video where Mr McCann makes his comment about not enjoying his holiday, I felt that he was being a bit of a macho twit and playing to the camera and to their friends watching at the time. I really wouldn't have thought, by saying he wasn't there to f.ing enjoy himself that he was giving off a hint that instead he was there to murder his daughter.

I know he isn't a likeable chap in the least but I just cannot see that him and Mrs McCann went off on holiday with a bunch of friends and the need to murder Madeleine planned as part of their holiday activities.

An accident and a cover up maybe but not downright planned coldblooded murder - sorry.

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