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Post by Juspuss32 on Sat May 14, 2016 8:37 am

Hi, l'm  new here. I have been reading about coloboma.  It is suggested one cause my be due to feotal alcohol syndrome. Looking at other pictures of Madeleine, it appears to me that she has an unusual philtrum  too.
Behaviourall issues can also result from this.
Such damage occurs usually in the very early stages of pregnancy, possibly before the woman is aware of her situation.
I can't help wondering whether this could have been why Madeleine's medical records were kept private. I am not suggesting that Kate had alcohol problems, merely that it was accidental.
I am a retired teacher of special needs students and have seen many with this syndrome. I would be interested in your views.
If l am covering old ground- apologies.

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Post by Guest on Sat May 14, 2016 8:42 am

welcome

Use the search facility (top right).  You will find several topics which discuss the coloboma.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on Sat May 14, 2016 8:50 am

Lots of topics about Maddie's coloboma here http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/search?search_keywords=coloboma

No harm in covering old ground....lots of new people are always registering here - 1,037 this year alone and it's only May!
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/statistics

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Re: Foetal alcohol syndrome

Post by pennylane on Sat May 14, 2016 9:30 am

Morning Jaspuss  welcome


Madeleine looked 'normal' to me, perhaps a little small for her age?  I also see nothing  'unusual' about her philtrum, and not sure why you mention it as being unusual? 

It is possible her coloboma signified an illness, perhaps even one that was missed? However, I feel if Maddie did have a known medical condition, her school and others would be aware.

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Post by BarryTheHatchet on Sat May 14, 2016 11:22 am

I've always felt there is something amiss with her eyes, sunken and puffy, almost like the eyes of a Downs Syndrome child.  I first noticed it in the "slide" and "pink trike" pictures.  It's in others too.  She does not look a well child to me.
She never made it to school but if her nursery were aware, then they wouldn't have been allowed to tell anybody (Data Protection Act).
And there's been a good reason why her medical records were withheld, even from the PJ.

ETA - I just looked up Fetal Alcohol Syndrome on Wikipedia (I am not allowed to post links yet) and the first picture is of a baby with eyes that are exactly as I have just described.  You could be onto something here.


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Re: Foetal alcohol syndrome

Post by Miraflores on Sat May 14, 2016 2:33 pm

IVF is known to produce more birth defects. As a product of this, is it not as or more likely that this was the cause of any health problems?

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Post by Roidininki on Sat May 14, 2016 3:07 pm

Agreed !
 I'm wondering if  this child Madeleine  had been monitored from the moment of conception, artificial  as it was  and  something happened on the  holiday ,i.e.  Kate McCann  remarked  
"we've let her down"    which could denote not looking after her  as they should have  and "they've taken her "  ,  the door was left open for someone to come and pick  a deceased  Madeleine  up and when  she went on her check she found   " she's gone Mum " in  the  phone call to her mother .

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Post by NickE on Sat May 14, 2016 6:31 pm

The problem with Madeleine´s alleged "coloboma" is that sometimes was it there and other times is was not there.
Maybe it was just a marketing ploy and.....confusion is good.
 
I agree that there could be medical explanations for what happened to Madeleine and a couple of theories I "work with" includes that Madeleine was ill, perhaps an unusual incurable disease and these doctors used an unproven drug in a last attempt to cure her illness but the side effects became too much and the "abduction" was the plan if something went wrong because they were all in this together.

*We should also remember that there was other doctors at OC that week and it look´s like there was also people who worked with medical equipments, coincidences? I don't know.
*Amaral wrote in his book that she could have been ill.
*The Police didn´t get access to her medical records.
*Would their fiends who also had small children help them to cover up a murder or an accident that led to the death and live with this? I'm not sure.

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Post by aquila on Sat May 14, 2016 7:51 pm

Please tell me why Police were denied access to Madeleine's medical records.

I'm not buying foetal alcohol syndrome.

I just want to know why Madeleine's medical records were not released to the investigating authority.

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Post by Carrry On Doctor on Sat May 14, 2016 8:36 pm



I just want to know why Madeleine's medical records were not released to the investigating authority.

Perhaps.....

1. Because the politicians applied pressure since a) they were knowingly participating in a cover up; or b) they were political point scoring and were being taken for a ride.
2. GM applied pressure on BMA / authorities to uphold patient confidentiality in order to suppress the actual existence of a coloboma and/or identity of an IVF donor.

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Post by aquila on Sat May 14, 2016 8:46 pm

I'm not buying that either.

Why were Madeleine's medical records not released to the investigating authority?

Why was Madeleine made a Ward of Court?

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Post by pennylane on Sat May 14, 2016 8:49 pm

@aquila wrote:Please tell me why Police were denied access to Madeleine's medical records.

I'm not buying foetal alcohol syndrome.

I just want to know why Madeleine's medical records were not released to the investigating authority.

Not buying f.a.s. either!

What if the HO held back all requested information to prevent highlighting the specific information they did not want revealed, which may not have been the medical records themselves?

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Post by aquila on Sat May 14, 2016 9:24 pm

What if Madeleine had no medical records, that would be even more damning. A couple of doctors who didn't take their kids to a GP as is the norm.

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Post by pennylane on Sat May 14, 2016 9:44 pm

@aquila wrote:What if Madeleine had no medical records
Why do you think there may be no medical records, aquila?  Maddie was quite poorly for a while when she was a baby, and Kate said she cried constantly.

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Post by BarryTheHatchet on Sat May 14, 2016 9:55 pm

I'm assuming that Madeleine was born in a hospital and not at home.  There would be birth records and the red NHS book.  To claim that there are no medical records at all is just daft.

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Post by NickE on Sat May 14, 2016 10:01 pm

@aquila wrote:What if Madeleine had no medical records, that would be even more damning. A couple of doctors who didn't take their kids to a GP as is the norm.
This is what Mr Amaral wrote in his book, chapter 4:

"One of the police officers who went to the McCanns' home in England, reported that a medical monitoring chart for Madeleine was posted in the kitchen"...........
......."The medical files, requested several times from Great Britain were never sent to us. 
These could have been deciding factors.
Why didn't we have access to them? We never knew the truth of the matter. It's deplorable that the British legal system could be quite so uncooperative in this type of situation. In the course of the investigation, a doctor pointed out to us that Madeleine had a mark in her eye, described by some as a coloboma of the iris, which can be associated with other disorders, for example cardiac insufficiency. 
In spite of repeated requests to the British Medical Association, we were never able to confirm that hypothesis, a simple photo not being sufficient to establish a medical diagnosis."

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Post by Verdi on Sat May 14, 2016 11:30 pm

@BarryTheHatchet wrote:I've always felt there is something amiss with her eyes, sunken and puffy, almost like the eyes of a Downs Syndrome child.  I first noticed it in the "slide" and "pink trike" pictures.  It's in others too.  She does not look a well child to me.
Funny you should say that..

 


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Post by BarryTheHatchet on Sat May 14, 2016 11:53 pm


The other thing that gets me is that in these early pictures, her hair grows from a natural cowlick on the left side of her head.  In later pictures, supposedly of her, it has a natural centre parting.
In the picture above with Grandpa Johnnie, it may just be the poor quality of an old photograph, but her skin looks yellow and jaundiced.

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Post by aquila on Sun May 15, 2016 6:31 am

@BarryTheHatchet wrote:I'm assuming that Madeleine was born in a hospital and not at home.  There would be birth records and the red NHS book.  To claim that there are no medical records at all is just daft.
What if there were no medical records after Madeleine's birth?

The McCanns went to live in Holland for a year so that could potentially wipe out a fair chunk of data. Then there was the move from one house to another in Leics and the somewhat tardy registering with a new GP in Rothley.

What if Madeleine wasn't taken for regular medical/progress check-ups like your average parent does? That would be pretty damaging to the parents wouldn't it, but if you're a GP yourself then maybe the BMA forgives that sort of thing.

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Post by BarryTheHatchet on Sun May 15, 2016 7:26 am

She went to nursery.  Nurseries require at least the name and surgery address of the registered GP before they will take a child.  That is the law.

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Post by aquila on Sun May 15, 2016 7:39 am

Madeleine was registered with a GP. Registering and attending however could be quite different things.

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Post by Guest on Sun May 15, 2016 8:43 am

The family would have had regular contact with the medical authorities, IMO.  Immunisations, developmental and audiology tests, for example.  Health visitor appointments for new babies and toddlers are routine.  Health visitors are attached to GP surgeries so I don't doubt that MBM was registered and seen.

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Post by Guest on Sun May 15, 2016 9:27 am

So, what was the sensitive information in the medical records that the parents wanted to hide?

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Post by Roidininki on Sun May 15, 2016 10:20 am

Why would you refuse to have them looked at even if they didn't contain anything sensitive?

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Post by plebgate on Sun May 15, 2016 10:24 am

@pennylane wrote:
@aquila wrote:Please tell me why Police were denied access to Madeleine's medical records.

I'm not buying foetal alcohol syndrome.

I just want to know why Madeleine's medical records were not released to the investigating authority.

Not buying f.a.s. either!

What if the HO held back all requested information to prevent highlighting the specific information they did not want revealed, which may not have been the medical records themselves?
Good point pennylane and one to ponder over imo.

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