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British police believe they spoke to her attacker

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Re: British police believe they spoke to her attacker

Post by MayMuse on Fri 29 Apr 2016 - 9:43

@skyrocket wrote:Here's a post from Joana Morais from July 2014, regarding the 3 (plus Malinka):

http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/phone-calls-and-hairs-frame-suspects.html

The comments in 2014 mirror what has been concluded here.

Can't find photos - there's one circulating of Tiago da Silva (maintenance at the OC) which has been mis-labelled as Jose Carlos da Silva in places. Re-iterates the importance of extreme caution when posting photos as this man (Tiago) does have a passing resemblance to Smithman but was questioned as a WITNESS.

Interesting to note that in 2007, one of the 3 men now being touted as the most likely culprits, Ricardo Rodrigues, was only 16 years old. 

I know this isn't being taken seriously but noting the above comment re: the recent circulation of sightings of 3 persons entering the church, and discussion of cremated bodies etc, does anyone think that there might actually be some planning in all of this information being on the table at the same time? If anything were ever to turn up regarding the cremation/remains, who is the finger pointing at now? Perfect solution to OG wind up - 3 suspects with no money to defend themselves against wild accusations; not enough (or no) evidence to charge them with anything to do with MBM's disappearance; possible reason why the body has never been found; case closed........
Snippet>>>>> Unknown reporter [Voice Over] - Hairs found on Sergey Malinka's sofa had a very similar DNA with Madeleine McCann’s. This is the main argument that Scotland Yard has presented to the Public Ministry in order to constitute as arguido the man born in Russia but living for many years in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

With him, there are 3 other men, now also arguidos at the request of the English police: José Carlos Silva, Ocean Club driver in March [Sic, May] 2007, when Maddie disappeared from the resort; Pedro [sic, Paulo] Ribeiro, who the English classify as a drug-addict and schizophrenic and also Ricardo Rodrigues, a young man who at the time was close to Pedro [sic, Paulo] Ribeiro.

These three men made a series of phone calls regarded as suspicious on the night of March [sic, May] 3 2007, when Maddie disappeared.

Scotland Yard believes the three planned a burglary to the apartment and when surprised by the little girl, they murdered her and took away her body.

The arguidos were all questioned on Monday [sic, on Tuesday] at the Judiciary Police headquarters in Faro. This Tuesday [sic, this Wednesday] the questionings will continue, now of the 8 witnesses [sic, 11] requested by the Scotland Yard.

The English brought with them again to the Algarve the sniffer dogs specialised in detecting cadavers. The idea is for the animals to inspect the cars owned by the four arguidos back in 2007.


@skyrocket So since 2014 SY focused on these 3 arguidos (and Malinka) through questioning regarding 'suspicious, phone calls, believe that the 3 murdered Madeleine because she surprised them during a 'robbery' of 5a ( nothing of value was taken?) and brought in the 'unreliable dogs' again to inspect their vehicles for cadaver!? 


They can't have it both ways, why use the dogs again when they have totally dismissed the results on the McCanns car as non evidential!? And ignore the 'suspicious' activity of phone calls (deleted) by others? 


It does point to 'seeds' being planted in readiness for the recent 'reportings' IMO


Planning on the table re church... Yes ( I've said something similar on another post the other day) 
Perhaps all masterminded by the 'drug induced  schizophrenic' eh!?!?!?


Faith in justice & truth has slowly disappeared down the 'pan'!

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Re: British police believe they spoke to her attacker

Post by BlueBag on Fri 29 Apr 2016 - 9:52

 Hairs found on Sergey Malinka's sofa had a very similar DNA with Madeleine McCann’s. 

Meaningless.

It was maternal DNA and 1 in 10 people in Europe share the same profile.

As previously discussed on this forum.

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Re: British police believe they spoke to her attacker

Post by MayMuse on Fri 29 Apr 2016 - 10:02

@BlueBag wrote:
 Hairs found on Sergey Malinka's sofa had a very similar DNA with Madeleine McCann’s. 

Meaningless.

It was maternal DNA and 1 in 10 people in Europe share the same profile.

As previously discussed on this forum.
Exactly but it was Sy's 'main' argument?

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Post by MayMuse on Fri 29 Apr 2016 - 11:16

@MRNOODLES wrote:Weird innit,  burglars they've known about for 9 years.  Who haven't been nicked for burgling for 9 years.  Plus burglars, who didn't nick anything anyway, just kidnap a child and make her vanish without a trace. Well I say without a trace,  they did leave the smell of a fish supper all over the belongings of their victim's family.

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Their line is that they not only kidnapped Madeleine, they 'murdered' her and even brought in those 'unreliable' dogs (2014) to detect cadaver?  Yet still think she is alive and findable? 

No DNA, no evidence, no witness? No "window of opportunity' for this drug addict 'schizophrenic' & his 'accomplices' ...it's like a soap opera winkwink

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Post by Nina on Fri 29 Apr 2016 - 12:37

@Bishop Brennan wrote:Looks like the next part of the whitewash / closedown is under way.  

Led, unsurprisingly, by the Star which has declared:  "BRIT police are convinced they know what happened to Madeleine McCann – and believe they spoke to her attacker."

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/511311/Three-key-burglar-suspects-questioned-Madeleine-McCann-police-theory-attack-lead-Portugal

It's the same tired and entirely unbelievable story about the 3 burglars who were disturbed by the fierce 3-year-old with perfect recall.  The drug addict, the driver and the boy.  It has all the hallmarks of a planted story by team McCann in that it is simply a rehash of earlier theories and no news at all.  Presumably part of the ongoing joint effort between TM, SY and the MSM to leave the public (and the public record) with the perception of "anyone but the McCanns"

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Attacker? So she was attacked? What evidence was there of this?

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Post by jeanmonroe on Fri 29 Apr 2016 - 14:10

Modus Operandi of SY/MET 'operations'

"Find and identify the local 'nutter/druggie/schitzo' and 'it wuz 'im wot dunnit, innit"

Who needs ''evidence/proof''?

MET police officers....'don't LIE'!

(Well, except in the Andrew Mitchell 'case')

DCS HC and Barry G 'case'

DCS HC 'SIO' Madeleine case, 'IO' DCI AR's 'boss'

DCI AR 'identifies' 3 'suspects', including the 'local schitzo'....'wot dun THE 'abduction''

('the apple never falls far from the tree')

The MET could always get a European Arrest Warrant and bring 'the Portuguese 3' to UK and 'charge them'. if they are so 'cocksure' of 'their' erm...'guilt'.

The McCann's could always go to Portugal, armed with OG's irrefutable 'evidence', and ask the PJ to formally 'arrest' and 'charge' the Portuguese '3'.

Will they, won't they?

My money is on........ 'WON'T'!

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Re: British police believe they spoke to her attacker

Post by skyrocket on Fri 29 Apr 2016 - 22:12

A bungled burglary - exactly how is that supposed to have panned out? The paedophile abductor was at least a recognisable scenario, the burglary gone wrong leading to abduction is not. 

Several of the Mc party state that there is no way Madeleine would have gone voluntarily with a stranger 'without screaming or protesting' as Fiona puts it. 
If MBM didn't wake up, then presumably she wouldn't have been taken - what would have been the point? These 3 guys appear from past records to be petty criminals at worst; and anyway, paedophilia as the motive for the abduction has been taken off the table.
If she woke up, and didn't scream, why would she have been taken - again, no point. She was hardly going to be able to give a reliable description. He would have left quickly.
If she woke up and screamed the place down, the twins would presumably have woken also and joined in (disregarding any sedation). Any burglar would have most likely legged it at speed, as per Mrs Fenn's supposed visit, and an astute elderly woman witness would be far more of a threat, yet she didn't suffer any form of attack in her reported 'bungled burglary'.
If MBM had woken up and started to protest and was silenced (unpleasant even considering it, and unlikely MO of a burglar) before the twins awoke as well - why would she be taken? Did the burglar decide he would be less likely to be caught if he took the limp child with him? Walking through the streets of Luz, where there was a chance he would be spotted or even recognised? Heading where? Home? To meet his accomplices? Then what? Or, would he leave quickly, into the shadows and walk away, carrying nothing?

No forensics (reported at least - and had there been, presumably the culprit would have been jumped on immediately). 
No signs of a struggle. 

Why are a few phone calls considered to be more relevant than the results of a pair of cadaver dogs with a proven track record in criminal cases in the UK and the States?

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Post by suzyjohnson on Sat 30 Apr 2016 - 11:51

@skyrocket wrote:Did the burglar decide he would be less likely to be caught if he took the limp child with him? Walking through the streets of Luz, where there was a chance he would be spotted or even recognised? Heading where? Home? To meet his accomplices? Then what? Or, would he leave quickly, into the shadows and walk away, carrying nothing?

No forensics (reported at least - and had there been, presumably the culprit would have been jumped on immediately). 
No signs of a struggle. 


Yes. exactly.

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Re: British police believe they spoke to her attacker

Post by skyrocket on Sat 30 Apr 2016 - 13:03

Let's take this a bit further:

So, no planned abduction - it was Bungle the burglar.

So, no drugging of the children.

So, no break in through the bedroom window - the patio door was unlocked and we know petty thieves, are on the whole, opportunists. One door locked, try the next. If we are to believe what we are being fed about their MO, then this gang  of 3 hapless amigos weren't too worried about encountering anyone inside - no planning then, just quick on their feet. 

So quick on their feet that Bungle dodges all the stated comings and goings; not to mention Jez Wilkins' night time wanderings, or the Carpenters leaving the Tapas, or the OC bar manager arriving by car and parking outside the Tapas reception at 9.40pm.

Now in 5A, at some time between 9.15pm and 9.55pm, again conveniently dodging both GM's and MO's checks, according to statements of visits, Bungle subdues a child without waking 2 more children, without leaving any forensic trace or signs of a struggle anywhere in the apartment, and without the aid of drugs (he's a burglar). At some point before or after this, just for the hell of it, he pushes 2 cots out of the way or squeezes past and opens the curtains, the blinds and the window, and then closes the curtains again, before pushing the cots back into their original position, if required. 

Bungle then opens the lounge patio doors, transfers MBM outside, again leaving no forensics, closes the doors and carries MBM down a flight of steps, not forgetting to close the top gate. He nonchalantly struggles to close the bottom gate carrying an almost 4 year old child and the ambles off down or up or across the road, or along the passageway below the apartments without encountering a soul, until possibly the Smiths. And don't forget, he's done all this in his bestest beige cargo trousers - ideal for hiding in the shadows.

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Post by pennylane on Sat 30 Apr 2016 - 13:13

I tend to believe there ARE 3 burglars that Operation Grange are interested in as this slots in with OG's past dodgy parading of suspects, and grand maneuvers coinciding with news regarding Goncalo Amaral.

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Re: British police believe they spoke to her attacker

Post by Verdi on Sat 30 Apr 2016 - 13:19

Of course not, it's utter nonsense and an insult to one's intelligence.  A moments detente..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atBJuVoieLo

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Re: British police believe they spoke to her attacker

Post by pennylane on Sat 30 Apr 2016 - 13:26

Good one!  laughat

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Re: British police believe they spoke to her attacker

Post by Verdi on Sat 30 Apr 2016 - 23:18

B...b...burglar - that's 3 x burglar  smilie !  The oldies are are always the best.

On a more serious note - if Ms Healy thought the PJ, the investigative force busting a gut to find her missing little daughter, to be f****** t*****'s, what the heck must she think of Operation Grange who are busting a gut not to find her missing little daughter?


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