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Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by Verdi on Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:25 am

From the 'official' source, the Find Madeleine site that hasn't been updated since last December - until now..

Updates


19 April, 2016 - Statement from Gerry and Kate Regarding Libel Case


We are disappointed with today’s ruling from the Portuguese Appellate Court. As we have said in the past, this action has never been about money. It has always been focused on the effects of the libels on our other children and the damage that has been done to the search for Madeleine.
We will continue to defend ourselves against this libel and the search for our daughter. We will be appealing to the Portuguese Supreme Court.
Madeleine is still missing and we will do everything we can to get her home.


Thank you for your continued support.
 
Gerry and Kate
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Well, that's one way of indefinitely delaying payment of Mr. Amaral's costs.  I can see this going on for eternity. 

VIVE M. AMARAL !!!

Apologies if this has already been posted, I'm finding it difficult keeping up at the moment.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by jeanmonroe on Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:30 am

'unashameably nicked' (Thx Interested)

Just saw this tweet from Madeleine Case Tweets (5 minutes ago) "LEGAL SOURCES in Portugal say: OVER for GERRY & KATE #mccann PT Supreme Court will NOT entertain CIVIL squabbles"

I do hope this is accurate!!!!.






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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by jeanmonroe on Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:35 am

'As we (Mcs) have said in the past, this action has never been about money.'
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We know, we KNOW already!

You just wanted to erm, um, err 'borrow' over £1millon from Mr Amaral.

We get it!

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by aiyoyo on Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:36 am

As we have said in the past, this action has never been about money. It has always been focused on the effects of the libels on our other children and the damage that has been done to the search for Madeleine.

Not about money?
They got to be kidding. Why demand £1M then when they can ask for apology.
Sociopaths, lying as usual.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by aiyoyo on Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:39 am

@jeanmonroe wrote:'unashameably nicked'          (Thx Interested)

Just saw this tweet from Madeleine Case Tweets (5 minutes ago) "LEGAL SOURCES in Portugal say: OVER for GERRY & KATE #mccann PT Supreme Court will NOT entertain CIVIL squabbles"

I do hope this is accurate!!!!.



Must be true! I am liking it.
ID said the judgement was on Appreciation of Law and law when applied appropriately/correctly can't be revoked.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by April28th on Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:51 am

'We will continue to defend ourselves against this libel and the search for our daughter.'

The monitoring team don't appear to be switched on..I feel like I'm watching the slow death throws of some beast. Batting at us but with waning force.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by aiyoyo on Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:54 am

Notice their order of things?  
Defend themselves first then search for their daughter in that order - it's a dead giveaway.  
Have always been that way...about them and their image....nothing is changed.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by jeanmonroe on Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:57 am

'We will continue to defend ourselves against this libel, oh, and the search for our daughter.'

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by skyrocket on Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:41 am

Copied over from one of my posts yesterday, from a piece in the Algarve Resident:

It is possible the McCann’s lawyers will argue that the appeal they claim to be lodging with Portugal’s Supreme Court could cover threats of legal action - but this is also debatable, say legal experts.
“The book is not held to be defamatory in any jurisdiction in the world”, said one - pointing out at the same time that an appeal to the Supreme Court in Portugal is equivalent to an appeal to the House of Lords in Great Britain.
“These courts only listen to cases involving important points of law, of general public importance”, he told us. “They are not interested in facts, nor minor squabbles - nor whether the Court of Appeal has made a good or bad decision.
“They are only interested if they have to clarify something which the substantive law has not made entirely clear”.
In other words, an appeal by the McCann’s to continue their action against former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral “may not even be entertained”, said the source.


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@j.rob & @spacecowboy above - I am confident in saying that the Portuguese version of ROB's 11 May statement regarding the 'Nigel conversation' has been badly translated into English at the critical points. The personal pronouns are misleading. IMO, Nigel is the one stated as using the video camera and also the one making the comment about himself feeling uncomfotable filming his own daughter. I have asked before if there are any native Portuguese speakers out there who can confirm this as it is a vital point. (My Spanish is good; Portuguese is very similar - verbs/ending follow the same pattern; I have checked the translation).

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by whatsupdoc on Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:16 am

Thanks skyrocket. I have just been looking for Madeleine CaseTweets and found this...

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11:30 a.m. - 21 Apr 2016  
   
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tilly may@tilly_justice  13h13 hours ago  
@McCannCaseTweet where's this come from ?
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Madeleine CaseTweets@McCannCaseTweet  13h13 hours ago  
@tilly_justice various sources including Algarve Resident
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tilly may@tilly_justice  13h13 hours ago  
@McCannCaseTweet thanks
 
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@tilly_justice but squabble quote is straight out of "Resident"
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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by Rogue-a-Tory on Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:40 am

I think there is one important point of law in this case that might possibly be of interest to the Supreme Court but am not going to help the Mcs by posting it publicly.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by sar on Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:23 pm

@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:I think the Mirror published the story of a threat to take legal action against the book sellers as a deliberate ploy.

MSM has had enough of these 2 and is looking for surreptitious ways to bury them - without risking breach of any Carter Ruck super-inaudibles. What better way to stir up interest than with a message - 'you hadn't better do this, it's naughty and probably illegal'. Try it on the kids big grin
....don't be surprised if it's serialised by MGN????!!!  Kerching!!

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by Realist on Fri Apr 22, 2016 1:18 pm

@MayMuse wrote:

The 'P' word seems to cause a great deal of controversy, one that at first I refused to 'believe' , yet the more I have read over the years (files) and gone over the interviews from the 'elusive' 9 the more sickened feeling rises in my stomach! I always believed in some form of accident? But then why would a cadaver need to be ' missing' ? If that was the case... There are  far too many 'influential' people sidestepping the issue of (neglect) what we are supposed to believe, and that 'P' is insinuated or referred to from the start ( abduction nasty man) ... ( Redwood, sex crimes/burglary) in Portugal. What 'scent' are we being directed & diverted from?  Kate's grotesque writing incidentally on page 129 always struck me that it was the same number as another book written about the case 'MADDIE 129'  ( not available) and perhaps just a coincidence... Seems to be a great deal of those!?
At the end of the day, MayMuse, the only people who stand to benefit from playing the paedophile card are the McCanns. It is the McCanns who would have us believe that paedophiles are involved with their abduction claim.

Why else would anyone wish to abduct a 4 yr. old girl other than for sexual motives, particularly in the vein that the kidnapping clearly wasn't financially motivated. There was never a ransom demand and the McCanns were heavily indebted at the time. If you care to think about it, without any form of ransom demand, the only way the McCanns could get their abduction gambit off the runway, was to claim their daughter was the victim of a paedophile. In fact, it is Kate McCann who has always driven the enquiry towards paedophilia from the inception. Her first alleged words were 'They've taken her' In the immortal words of Wendy Murphy 'I'm not buying it.'

The only people sidestepping the issue of neglect are the McCann's acquaintances, for the McCanns it is imperative there was neglect, because without an element of neglect, there couldn't have been an abduction.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by plebgate on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:11 pm

@jeanmonroe wrote:'unashameably nicked'          (Thx Interested)

Just saw this tweet from Madeleine Case Tweets (5 minutes ago) "LEGAL SOURCES in Portugal say: OVER for GERRY & KATE #mccann PT Supreme Court will NOT entertain CIVIL squabbles"

I do hope this is accurate!!!!.





I believe Rocky A. knows it.   What was the sentence? - they will learn to respect that others have opinions and rights to freedom of expression.

Yeah I believe he knows he has  well and truly won.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by j.rob on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:20 pm

@plebgate wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:'unashameably nicked'          (Thx Interested)

Just saw this tweet from Madeleine Case Tweets (5 minutes ago) "LEGAL SOURCES in Portugal say: OVER for GERRY & KATE #mccann PT Supreme Court will NOT entertain CIVIL squabbles"

I do hope this is accurate!!!!.





I believe Rocky A. knows it.   What was the sentence? - they will learn to respect that others have opinions and rights to freedom of expression.

Yeah I believe he knows he has  well and truly won.


Fabulous! I think he has magnificently turned the tables on them. He was always going to be the hero in this, imo. Kate and Gerry underestimated him.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by jeanmonroe on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:34 pm

"It has always been focused on the effects of the libels on our other children and the damage that has been done to the search for Madeleine."
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Short 'n' sweet.

WHAT 'LIBELS' would they be then?

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by j.rob on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:52 pm

@whatsupdoc wrote:Thanks skyrocket. I have just been looking for Madeleine CaseTweets and found this...

[list=stream-items]
[*]LEGAL SOURCES in Portugal say: OVER for GERRY & KATE #mccann PT Supreme Court will NOT entertain CiVIL squabbles


11:30 a.m. - 21 Apr 2016  
[list=stream-items-id]
[*][list=stream-items]
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tilly may@tilly_justice  13h13 hours ago  
@McCannCaseTweet where's this come from ?
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[/list]

[/list]

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Madeleine CaseTweets@McCannCaseTweet  13h13 hours ago  
@tilly_justice various sources including Algarve Resident
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tilly may@tilly_justice  13h13 hours ago  
@McCannCaseTweet thanks
  0 retweets     1 like  
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Madeleine CaseTweets@McCannCaseTweet  13h13 hours ago  
@tilly_justice but squabble quote is straight out of "Resident"


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A picture tells a thousand words.....

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by April28th on Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:57 pm

Their timing is off but this is certainly the month they became 'April fools'. Approaching that 9th anniversary as well (wonder if they'll be visiting any churches on the 29th/30th).

I really hope the case being thrown out becomes fact, but I do wonder - if Mr. Amaral files his case against the family, and the McCanns appeal to the European court, does Mr. Amaral have to wait and wait while their new case gets precedence?

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by lj on Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:37 pm

@April28th wrote:'We will continue to defend ourselves against this libel and the search for our daughter.'

The monitoring team don't appear to be switched on..I feel like I'm watching the slow death throws of some beast. Batting at us but with waning force.



That sentence is so weird. So will defend themselves against the search for their daughter????

huh

Their big excuse for everything. They needed to bring that in. 

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by jeanmonroe on Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:15 pm

BACK ON TOPIC, PLEASE!

If you wanna 'discuss' R (the police kindly let me read Janes' 'statement' to 'refresh' my memory before MY 'interview') O'B, who has cast 'doubt' (on 'record') that an 'abduction' ever took place, pls start a new topic/thread.

TY.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by skyrocket on Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:08 pm

@jeanmonroe - yes, it went a bit off track there! 

Mods - is it worth moving the relevant long posts (quite a lot of work involved in them for @J.Rob and @spacecowboy) to a 'Nigel' thread so they don't get lost in the ether. It was all being discussed not long ago but I haven't looked the relevant thread up. Then Snr Amaral can have his thread back!

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by suzyjohnson on Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:59 pm

@April28th wrote:'We will continue to defend ourselves against this libel and the search for our daughter.'


'We continue to hope for the best possible outcome from this for us ..... and for Madeleine' (GM May 2007)

Priorities.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:00 pm

@skyrocket wrote:@jeanmonroe - yes, it went a bit off track there! 

Mods - is it worth moving the relevant long posts (quite a lot of work involved in them for @J.Rob and @spacecowboy) to a 'Nigel' thread so they don't get lost in the ether. It was all being discussed not long ago but I haven't looked the relevant thread up. Then Snr Amaral can have his thread back!
Yes, I've split the topic and put the 'Nigel Foster' discussion here http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12669-nigel-foster

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by April28th on Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:08 pm

@suzyjohnson wrote:
@April28th wrote:'We will continue to defend ourselves against this libel and the search for our daughter.'


'We continue to hope for the best possible outcome from this for us ..... and for Madeleine' (GM May 2007)

Priorities.
Their language, when breaking the CM approved script, has always been of self preservation. It's evident from this alone that they know what happened to her. As Kate once reminded us curtly, they 'know more than we do'.

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Once More The Sound Of Rattling Sabres To Indicate The Presence Of The Panicky mccanns

Post by Hobs on Fri Apr 22, 2016 7:46 pm

It is all well and good the mccanns rattling their sabres and threatening to sue anyone who sells the book in the UK, how do they propose to fund the costs for such litigation?

They already owe hundreds of thousands, if not millions in legal costs, even the twins are liable for costs thanks to kate and gerry.

I am sure the twins were ecstatic when they found out mom and dad had left them a doozy of a legacy

They lost this last appeal and are liable not only for all their own costs, they are also liable for all the costs incurred by the multiple defendants in the various cases..

This is on top of their outgoings to the pink princess and carter-ruck, whom i cannot believe would do pro bono work for people suspected of homicide, concealment of a corpse and filing a false police report along with said clients self professed claims of nightly child neglect, regardless of the clients jobs, fame or infamy.

It boils down to money.

As long as you can pay they will do your work, if you don't have the money,or are likely to be unable to pay then it is no thanks and on your bike.

Given the rapidly mounting costs, i suspect carter-ruck are only used as and when the mccanns need an official letter.

I do wonder about all their other lawyers, the extradition ones, the Portuguese ones though.

Are they on a retainer?
Are they paid on an as needed basis?
I suspect so with the extradition lawyers.

All the mccanns had to do was have a nice chatette with a lawyer and make it known they 'hired' said lawyer (it was actually just a what can we do if they call us back chat)

Ditto for the Portuguese ones though they may have ID on a fixed fee and making sure they are getting their monies worth.

She may have initially seen it as a platform to get her name out there and get a lot of business as a result thus she would charge a reduced/discounted rate.

What about dear old clarrie, who has suddenly gone very quiet?

Is he on a retainer to get wheeled out every so often at anniversaries or when anything painting the mccanns in a poor light is about to come out?
Is he seeking legal advice regarding his own rather precarious position regarding the fund?

Remember the comment on the radio show regarding donations?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDZN2pywGig


“Just put money into an envelope and send to Kate and Gerry McCann, Rothley, it’ll get there”.

Obtaining money by deception, even if for a 3rd party is very naughty, especially if it doesn't go through the banks or directly into the fund.
After all, who would find out how much was donated that way?

Then we have the perverting the course of justice and obstruction of justice when he opened mouth and inserted feet comment we he told us:

"I believe Kate and Gerry are not responsible for Madeleine's death"

As well as all the back tracking regarding the alleged smashed shutters, door hanging off details as uttered by various family members and friends.

The mccanns simply do not have the money to sue anyone.
 
The fund was stated not to be used for legal fees at its inception.
This lead to a very annoyed gerry who  complained about having all this money and not being allowed to use it

 By Sarah Nuwar
09 September 2007

 

Extract:

 

The McCanns now fear the cops may be about to arrest and charge them. Gerry told us: "Our lawyer said the weight of it is that, under the Portuguese legal system, they've got enough to move forward against us."

 

Then he revealed they may consider flying in a crack legal team from the UK to assist their Portuguese advisor.

 

But he confessed he is frustrated they are not allowed to use any of the £800,000 Madeleine Fund— boosted by celebrity appeals including Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling and soccer star David Beckham—to pay their mounting legal bills.  

 

"It seems like a disaster that we've got this huge donated fund and now we're not allowed to use it for legal costs because we're under suspicion," said Gerry.


This may have changed since the mccanns had a clear out of directors and pretty much now has them doing what he tells them or else.

There would be public outrage about them using the fund for legal fees as well as all costs to date.
Remember the outrage when it was leaked they took 2 months mortgage payments?

At this time, the mccanns really won't give a chit, it is all or nothing now.

They effectively bankrupt, they have and will lose everything.

They have nothing left to lose and they know it.


The question is, do they have a backer who will pay their not inconsiderable legal fees and costs plus compensation?

Will the backer also pay back all the money obtained fraudulently, the awards made to the media out of court, the very media who will now demand their money back plus interest?

What about the tapas 7 who allegedly gave their awards to the fund?
Will the tapas 7 now demand the return of their money in order to pay back their own money plus interest to the media as well as all the court costs etc?

I am not talking a few thousand or even a few hundred thousand.

This is likely to run into millions.


Is there seriously going to be some mega rich benefactor who will cough up multi millions to protect the mccanns?

WHY?
 
Possibly if the mccann's have something on said benefactor and threatens them.

However, depending on the reason, said benefactor could say"sod that for a game of soldiers", refuse the money and whatever happens will happen.

I do expect to see the ol' begging bucket back out in force appealing for money to fight their battle against the nasty ex detective who is trying to make their two surviving, innocent children homeless.

Forcing them to live on the street, wear rags and live on a diet of pot noodles and crisps.

Their hypocrisy would be simply astounding if they went down that route, given that was exactly what they were trying to do to Dr. Amaral, even to suggesting he get divorced.

I also fear that the mccanns, now painted into a corner of their own making, especially kate, to perhaps looking to press the button she spoke of, killing the twins, gerry (justifiable) and herself.

The game is coming to a close and they know it.

Everything they worked for is down the pan.


Kate is unemployable in any medical position and probably in any skilled or unskilled role given she is a self confessed child neglector and a suspect in the death, disposal and coverup of her daughter Maddie.

Gerry's ego knows no bounds,when push comes to shove, it is him in the lifeboat first.

I fully expect him to throw kate and the tapas 7 under the bus, whilst painting himself as the heroic father trying to keep his family together despite his wife's mental issues (not guilty by reason of insanity, or not guilty due to (insert mental disease here)or not guilty due to diminished responsibility.

Kate goes to a hospital or maybe prison.
He is viewed as the loving, protective and caring husband who fought to keep his family together, even to covering up for his wife (and chums?)

He gets custody of the twins, a book and movie deal, possibly roles on boards, maybe political office when the furor dies down and finally an honor or two for services to whatever.

Will it come to first past the post wins the prize?
 
Will divorce rear its head?
 
If it does and there is a custody battle, then the fun will start as they blame each other for whatever happened to Maddie.

They won't stop to think or to listen to their lawyers.
 
It will be "there is no way you are getting the kids" and possibly (though i hope not) "If i can't have them, nobody can", particularly relating to kate.

We know she has a vicious and violent temper, the bruises on her wrists and arms from allegedly beating the wall, the kicking out and smashing of furniture showed us that.
Personally i saw them as restraint bruises on her wrists and upper arms.
How would she manage to get them in those locations from beating a wall, a wall which apparently had fingers.



Will she open mouth and insert feet not caring about the consequences.
She won;t mind doing time if it means gerry does as well and he doesn't get the kids.
The grandparents can fight it out between them.

Time will tell.
I see this are coming to a conclusion sooner rather than later.
I hope the tapas 7 are seeking advice regarding their legal position in relation to the events that week in PDL and subsequently.
How much they could be liable for.
If they can arrive at some kind of deal perhaps to minimize the impact on their finances and their lives.

I have a front row seat and plenty of popcorn.
The support acts have been and gone, it is almost time for the main feature.


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