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Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 19.04.16 21:57

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:Apparently they're going to appeal.
The McCanns, appealling? Hardly the most accurate description of those pair  Mr

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Post by whodunit on 19.04.16 21:58

“This decision was an appreciation of the law and not the facts. We can appeal to the Supreme Court which we will do as we have instructions from our clients."


The Supreme Court can decline to hear the appeal. It may not even have to give a reason. One good reason is they've been there, done that so why repeat themselves? I supposed the McCs can go back to the beginning and start the process all over again but the lower courts may also reject their case given it's history...

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by Garrincha on 19.04.16 22:00

Great news at last

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 19.04.16 22:07

I had been puzzled as to why the SY stories had appeared out of nowhere this week, well in advance of the anniversary. Then the SY comments and stories have been trending on social media for 24 hours or so from yesterday afternoon. 

Well this news explains everything, time for Operation Grange to crawl back into its sordid, grimy box.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by Tony Bennett on 19.04.16 22:11

@Bishop Brennan wrote:
Is this why there was blanket coverage in today's British mainstream press headlining Operation Grange's claim that 'we have reasonable grounds for thinking that Madeleine may still be alive?   
Yes - it looks like the MET were tipped off in advance to permit them to plant these stories as part of the official UK 'whitewash' line - indeed to strengthen it with the headline "she may still be alive" (rather than the traditional - "we don't know what happened but it defo wasn't the McCanns") 
I fully agree with your analysis.

But surely the Met Police's job here is to investigate a crime? - not arrange hasty press briefings because their analysis of the case suddenly looks wrong?

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by suzyjohnson on 19.04.16 22:13

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Praiaaa wrote:Really hoping it will be published.

I and many others will buy as many copies as we can,  and leave them on buses, trains, tubes - everywhere.
The Daily Mail looks to be leading the way at the moment with this - on the online edition:

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3547951/Portuguese-detective-WINS-appeal-against-libel-defeat-Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-NOT-pay-500-000-damages.html

Portuguese detective WINS his appeal against £395,000 libel defeat to Madeleine McCann's parents - paving the way for his book ‘The Truth of the Lie’ to be sold again 



  • Goncalo Amaral accused Madeleine's parents of faking her abduction

  • He was ordered to pay £395,000 in damages after losing his libel battle 

  • But today Amaral posted copy of judgement overturning original decision

  • McCanns lawyer 'disappointed' and vows to appeal to the Supreme Court



Oh hell. That'll be the master bedroom needing structural support.

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Post by sammyc on 19.04.16 22:16

Let's all pause for a moment and think of dear Madeleine wherever she lies and her siblings who have yet to learn about their sister. It makes me so sad for the twins. Thank you for thinking of the three children X

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Post by Carrry On Doctor on 19.04.16 22:23

Such a great day for GA and his family, hopefully he will now go after TM's others (as he said he would) and really start to turn the screw.

I posted a few months back that I thought GA may now think (like many on CMOMM) that something happened earlier on the holiday, but whilst the case/appeals were ongoing, he couldn't deviate from that. Maybe he still cant elaborate until the Supreme Court reject the application for appeal, who knows ?

Interesting times ahead anyway, but today we celebrate for GA.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by ChippyM on 19.04.16 22:29

@Bishop Brennan wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:...

Will the McCanns risk another appeal to the Supreme Court?   

Is this why there was blanket coverage in today's British mainstream press headlining Operation Grange's claim that 'we have reasonable grounds for thinking that Madeleine may still be alive?   

If this story about the successful appeal turns out to be true (let's keep EVERYTHING crossed that it is), I would reply with:  

1. Yes - they will appeal to the Supreme Court because they have the cash to do it, and Gerry will never admit defeat. Narcissists never do. Plus it will delay by months any cash payments they have to make. 

2. Yes - it looks like the MET were tipped off in advance to permit them to plant these stories as part of the official UK 'whitewash' line - indeed to strengthen it with the headline "she may still be alive" (rather than the traditional - "we don't know what happened but it defo wasn't the McCanns") 

This further suggests that the McCanns still have allies in Portugal - the original judgement suggested as much - and it may just be that the Appeal Court and Supreme Court are outside their influence.  Let's hope so!   This is potentially a huge judgement.

I don't think the Met have planted a story, it just looks like an interview that has been given the usual spin by the media. Funnily enough the article in the DM after it's headlines about 'she may still be alive' etc. informed it's readers that quote was from a 'homicide detective'.... I doubt many noticed.

Sky news had this in their version "Mr Duthie says his team will go back to the Home Office and ask for more money if required.
There is a missing girl and if she has been murdered and if we think we have got justifiable and reasonable lines of inquiry to pursue then they should be dealt with," he told the newspaper".

There's that word again, Murder. This implies they are asking for more money because they do think it's murder....the stuff about hoping she's alive just seems like a sort of routine pleasantry that the press have picked up on to keep the circus going.

..and congratulations to Mr Amaral, a decision to do with this case that makes sense for once!

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Post by Tony Bennett on 19.04.16 22:44

@suzyjohnson wrote:And Clarence isn't even available for comment.
So why doesn't he take his own advice that he pompously dished out to hundreds of adoring, clapping journalists and PR folk in Australia last week?

Which was, quote: [35 mins 40 secs into this YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJzBHRxunGQ ]

“We needed constant clear daily positioning statements, even with a simple ‘no comment’ – there are ways of saying that, without saying it”





Where is the mighty 'King of PR' today?

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by sandancer on 19.04.16 22:45

@woodpecker wrote:A happy day!

I hope other members are, like me, enjoying a glass or two of Portuguese wine to celebrate Sr Amaral's deserved victory.

I hope Katie Hopkins can get the McCanns on her couch to discuss how they feel about the verdict.......
I wonder if the New Zealand White is being brought out tonight at Rothley Towers ????

Somehow I doubt it !! big grin

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by ShuBob on 19.04.16 22:47

Another one who's been smoked out by todays news big grin 

Keep going Amaral thumbup

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by aquila on 19.04.16 22:47


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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by MRNOODLES on 19.04.16 22:50

He did comment... A couple of days ago with the MM alive story.  MCs went running to him saying they've lost the court case. And the nasty man's book will tell everybody M is dead.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by Ollie on 19.04.16 22:55

Congratulations to Snr Amaral. I hope the British public will be questioning where the McCanns have got the money from to pay for the court cases and appeals.  I suspect the McCanns knew the verdict would go in Snr Amarals favour, hence all the publicity in the papers that the Met think Madeleine may still be alive, look over here not there.

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by aquila on 19.04.16 23:02


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Post by Sophiebubbles on 19.04.16 23:21

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Praiaaa wrote:Really hoping it will be published.

I and many others will buy as many copies as we can,  and leave them on buses, trains, tubes - everywhere.
The Daily Mail looks to be leading the way at the moment with this - on the online edition:

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3547951/Portuguese-detective-WINS-appeal-against-libel-defeat-Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-NOT-pay-500-000-damages.html

Portuguese detective WINS his appeal against £395,000 libel defeat to Madeleine McCann's parents - paving the way for his book ‘The Truth of the Lie’ to be sold again 



  • Goncalo Amaral accused Madeleine's parents of faking her abduction

  • He was ordered to pay £395,000 in damages after losing his libel battle 

  • But today Amaral posted copy of judgement overturning original decision

  • McCanns lawyer 'disappointed' and vows to appeal to the Supreme Court

18,253 people have googled the book today and found my blog  http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.co.uk/


18,253 and hopefully counting..........well done and cheers to your blog......Yay x

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Re: Appeal in favour of Gonçalo Amaral

Post by Tony Bennett on 19.04.16 23:23

@willowthewisp wrote:
Hope you are feeling OK, DCI Nicola Wall, after an understudy has to make any "Official Announcements" as to the possible well-being of Madeleine McCann...
No, DCS Mike Duthie is not Nicola Wall's understudy, he is her boss!

DCS is 'Detective Chief Superintendent'.

This is the middle-rank police 'pecking order' >>>

DI - Detective Inspector, who is below
DCI - Detective Chief Inspector, who is below
DS - Detective Superintendent, who is below
DCS - Detective Chief Superintendent.

If I may continue with some technical terms, every major police investigation has a Head, the Senior Investigating Officer (SIO), and a Deputy, the Investigating Officer (IO).

Contrary to what most people believe, neither Andy Redwood nor Nicola Wall were in charge of this investigation.

At present, Mike Duthie is the SIO, Nicola Wall the IO.

It may be recalled that back in 2011, while DCI Andy Redwood was appointed the IO, the boss - and the man who determined the all-important remit in this case - was DCS Hamish Campbell.

His main claim to fame?

Thoroughly botching the investigation of the killing of Jill Dando and (allegedly according to some) possibly having planted some firearms residue in the coat pocket of Barry George/Bulsara - in order to achieve a (wrongful) conviction.

So why was Hamish Campbell appointed to lead this extraordinarily high profile investigation?

Because, as an East-Ender might put it, he was 'the man for the job'.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 19.04.16 23:37

SKY News's take on the story:

A former Portuguese detective who claimed Madeleine McCann's parents were involved in her disappearance has won an appeal against his libel conviction.


Goncalo Amaral, who led the search for the little girl, was last year ordered to pay £433,000 to Kate and Gerry McCann for claiming they faked Madeleine's abduction after she died in an accident.

He made the allegations in a bestselling book, The Truth Of The Lie.

But the McCann family's lawyer has confirmed that a Portuguese appeals court has overturned the conviction.

Mr Amaral has put a copy of the 16-page judgement on a website.
  
The last page of the document, which is signed by three appeal judges and dated 19 April, confirms the original ruling was being revoked.

When the original judgement was handed down, the McCanns said they were "delighted" with it, saying the publication of the claims had hampered the search for their daughter.

Madeleine was three years old when she vanished while on a family holiday in Portugal in May 2007.
<img src="http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/6/11/315720/default/v2/composite-1-206x116.jpg" class="image__item video__teaser-image" alt="Madeleine McCann missing" />
Even though police dramatically scaled back the search for the missing girl, they still believe there is a possibility that they will find her alive.

Her disappearance triggered one of the most high-profile missing persons investigations in British history.

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ETA:   The BBC's website is still adamantly refusing to mention this story. I wonder why? Could they have been the same organistion that spent £1 million on that Crimewatch programme three years ago?    

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Post by aquila on 19.04.16 23:50

Sky News' Wednesday's National Newspapers front pages have yet to show the Daily Star's front page although the somewhat sympathetic Sun headlines are available. Tomorrow's newspaper reviews will be interesting.

http://news.sky.com/gallery/1681665/wednesdays-newspaper-front-pages

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Post by Verdi on 20.04.16 0:04

@Get'emGoncalo:   Thank you for..

Translation of the Conclusions of the Appellate Court's Decision - 19th April 2016

Snipped:

'As far as personality rights are concerned, article 26, number 1, of the Constitution states that everyone has a right to a good name and reputation and to the protection of the intimacy of private and family life.'

Hold up a second - doesn't that apply to both sides?  Goncalo Amaral has today won an important victory, freeing him of a heavy financial burden and restoring his right to speak.  As tremendous as this might be, it's nothing compared to what is owed to him by the McCanns, Clarence Mitchell, the UK government, the UK media and a certain sector of UK citizens.  A very public apology is the least they can do and very a substantial offer of financial recompense would be nice, to help compensate for the trauma, disgrace and public humiliation he's been subjected to - as a result of a pair of Brits who can't take responsibility for their own children.  This is a clip from The sun today..

'The McCanns held the former Portuguese police chief responsible for virtually destroying every hope there was of finding Maddie in the first crucial hours and days after she went missing on May 3, 2007.'


They're still at it Hissyfit !

This of course will never happen but I'm quite surprised how toned down today's Sun report was presented.  They even refer to Mr. Amaral as 'a Portuguese detective', in stark opposition to the customary 'disgraced ex-cop thrown off the case'  - what's more, there are some really damning comments published at the foot of the article.

Still, tomorrow is another day but a few sleepless nights methinks..

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Post by aquila on 20.04.16 0:06

@Tony Bennett wrote:SKY News's take on the story:

A former Portuguese detective who claimed Madeleine McCann's parents were involved in her disappearance has won an appeal against his libel conviction.


Goncalo Amaral, who led the search for the little girl, was last year ordered to pay £433,000 to Kate and Gerry McCann for claiming they faked Madeleine's abduction after she died in an accident.

He made the allegations in a bestselling book, The Truth Of The Lie.

But the McCann family's lawyer has confirmed that a Portuguese appeals court has overturned the conviction.

Mr Amaral has put a copy of the 16-page judgement on a website.
  
The last page of the document, which is signed by three appeal judges and dated 19 April, confirms the original ruling was being revoked.

When the original judgement was handed down, the McCanns said they were "delighted" with it, saying the publication of the claims had hampered the search for their daughter.

Madeleine was three years old when she vanished while on a family holiday in Portugal in May 2007.
<img src="http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/6/11/315720/default/v2/composite-1-206x116.jpg" class="image__item video__teaser-image" alt="Madeleine McCann missing" />
Even though police dramatically scaled back the search for the missing girl, they still believe there is a possibility that they will find her alive.

Her disappearance triggered one of the most high-profile missing persons investigations in British history.

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ETA:   The BBC's website is still adamantly refusing to mention this story. I wonder why? Could they have been the same organistion that spent £1 million on that Crimewatch programme three years ago?    
Is a civil court ruling a conviction? because if it is the UK media is full of convicts.

Why did Sky News use the word 'conviction'?

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Post by whodunit on 20.04.16 0:08

Here in the US there is a time limit to most civil liability. Usually 3 years. Is it the same in the UK? Some of the offenses committed against Dr. Amaral by the British press may be beyond his ability to demand recompense, unfortunately.

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Post by Sophiebubbles on 20.04.16 0:09

As I am kind of newish to this forun,,,,,,,,,,I must say it is great to see old posters back on here today....names that I remember seeing back in the days when I looked in at the forum but was not a member then myself.   It is great to see everyone bouyed up today at this great news.....hope everyone has raised a glass for Snr Amaral and little Madeleine, not forgetting Brenda.  I raise my glass to all you 'oldies' from the start to the finish of Snr Amarals fight.......cheers everyone who have done all the really hard work.  Justice has been served, whether it will continue to fruition with the 'couple' being brought to justice for whatever part they played in little Madeleines story .....who knows.....but for me (part 1) has been a resounding WIN for Snr Amaral and his family at last, I hope he continues to have good health to do what he feels is necessary to do to put this nightmare behind him and remember what 'normal' life was like.   HERE'S TO YOU GONCALO.....in whatever path you choose now.A HERO INDEED.

LET PART 2 BEGIN........

A parting thoght, whatever will happen to the Judge who really messed up her career about a year ago obviously making a very wrong descision on this case.......she must surely be taken to task for getting the outcome so wrong, even if it was her opinion, or was she manipulated? as usual just my opinion.

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Post by loopzdaloop on 20.04.16 0:42

Great news. I hope its serialised.

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