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*** 17,410,742 Brits (52%) vote for BREXIT on "INDEPENDENCE DAY" *** (was: E.U. REFERENDUM - The state of the polls)

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Re: *** 17,410,742 Brits (52%) vote for BREXIT on "INDEPENDENCE DAY" *** (was: E.U. REFERENDUM - The state of the polls)

Post by plebgate on 03.05.16 13:40

The leaders of the Leave campaign should get TShirts made with Obama's face and words telling us to get to the back of the Q.

Come on Farage getting organising. big grin

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Post by Tony Bennett on 03.05.16 13:51

@plebgate wrote:The leaders of the Leave campaign should get TShirts made with Obama's face and words telling us to get to the back of the Q.

Come on Farage getting organising. big grin
What a very good idea!

If (as I fervently hope) we do, at last, break free and vote LEAVE, that comment by Obama might just have been the turning point.

I noted that the day after Obama made that speech, Republican candidate Ted Criz responded wth:

"I would make Britain FIRST in the queue". 


That's much more like the style from a country which twice, 1917-18 and 1943-5, helped us to defeat evil forces on the CONTINENT of Europe.

It was Margaret Thatcher who once acidly remarked about the past century: "The problems in Europe in the past century came from the continent of Europe. The solutions came from these islands".

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Re: *** 17,410,742 Brits (52%) vote for BREXIT on "INDEPENDENCE DAY" *** (was: E.U. REFERENDUM - The state of the polls)

Post by aquila on 03.05.16 13:53

Oh please post my Browning themed poem (pathetic limerick) about why we must leave Europe.

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Post by aquila on 03.05.16 14:04

We have to leave the EU. It won't happen of course because this particular referendum isn't home grown. I doubt if every person in the UK voted 'leave' that anything would really happen.

Five years to be given a referendum (one person, one vote) will result in sod all. It's not like you can say let's get out of Europe, let them stick their diktat up their bums and we're going to close our borders, take our ball back and play in our own back garden.

There isn't a politician with the nous to know how to proceed if we leave the EU.

As much as I think a landslide vote to leave won't make a bit of difference I'm only on this planet once and I want UK to have a voice.

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Post by BlueBag on 03.05.16 15:34

@Tony Bennett wrote:

It was Margaret Thatcher who once acidly remarked about the past century: "The problems in Europe in the past century came from the continent of Europe. The solutions came from these islands".
I'm pretty sure the money for the Russian Revolution, National Socialism and Zionism didn't come from the British people or Europeans,

I'm also pretty sure that USA won the empire war.

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Post by plebgate on 03.05.16 17:39

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666454/NHS-EU-killed-off-Brexit-Remain-Leave-referendum-Brussels-European-Union

The Express is also headlining that Merkel is pushing plans for a European Army, wonder who will be paying most for that then should we stay in?

How has this woman been given so much power over all of us?   UK government should tell her to GET LOST.

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Post by BlueBag on 03.05.16 17:42

@plebgate wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666454/NHS-EU-killed-off-Brexit-Remain-Leave-referendum-Brussels-European-Union

The Express is also headlining that Merkel is pushing plans for a European Army, wonder who will be paying most for that then should we stay in?

How has this woman been given so much power over all of us?   UK government should tell her to GET LOST.
When did Britain push plans for anything?

We've just been told what to do for 40 years except for some irrelevant window dressing from Thatcher.

Germany and France dictate the EU.. in that order.

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Post by plebgate on 03.05.16 17:44

They sure do Bluebag, they sure do and I am sick of it.

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Re: *** 17,410,742 Brits (52%) vote for BREXIT on "INDEPENDENCE DAY" *** (was: E.U. REFERENDUM - The state of the polls)

Post by Tony Bennett on 03.05.16 20:49

@Aquila wrote: I doubt if every person in the UK voted 'leave' that anything would really happen.

It's not like you can say let's get out of Europe, let them stick their diktat up their bums and we're going to close our borders, take our ball back and play in our own back garden. There isn't a politician with the nous to know how to proceed if we leave the EU.
@ aquila     I think, with respect, you have misunderstood the position. There is a very great deal of unnecessary fear-mongering about the future if we leave the E.U.

Let me illustrate what I mean:

Act 2, Scene 1: Britain has voted to leave the European Union. Angela Merkel has ordered a summit meeting. David Cameron and Francois Hollande are invited. The three sit down. Merkel and Hollande are on one side of the table, flanked by representatives of the other 25 E.U. countries. Cameron sits in not-so-splendid isolation on the other side of the table:

Merkel: Right, Cameron. You're not part of our club any more.

Cameron: I know.

Hollande: You may remember that I warned you many times there would be 'consequences'.

Merkel: May I remind you that in terms of trade, Obama told you that you would be at the back of the queue.

Hollande: I am now going to spell out the consequences.

Cameron: I know what one of them is. I've already told the Treasury to stop sending you that £55 million a day we send you. What are the other consequences?

Merkel: You will have to pay import tariffs. On British beef, 10%. On British manufactured goods, 15%. On British banking and financial services, 20%. on British...

Cameron: You do that, and I slap 20% import tariffs on BMWs,  Mercedes and Porsches. And Liebfraumllch. Plus 25% on French wines and cheeses, 30% on Fiats and Ferraris...

Merkel and Hollande together (shifting uneasily in their chairs): Eine Moment bitte. Un moment, si'l vous plait. Er, can we discuss this a moment?

Cameron: Be my guest. 

(The representatives of the 27 countries present discuss Cameron's response)  

Some while later:

Merkel: We've had another think. We think maybe imposing tariffs on your goods isn't a good idea after all.

Hollande: Yes, we would like to be good friends with you, Cameron - er, Monsieur Cameron - Non a tariifs, Oui a free trade. J'aime le Royaume Uni beaucoup.   

Merkel: Jawohl!

Cameron: Good, so no tariifs, everything the same as before we left, free trade with each other, let's shake hands on it.

They all shake hands

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Post by plebgate on 03.05.16 20:58

Exactly Tony, I have been screaming more or less the same as this at TV every time one of the fear mongers come on telling us how we will be penalised.  

Why can't one of the Out leaders scream this from the rooftops.   I have been watching question time recently and I have not heard one "leaver" give out this bit of common sense.

It makes me want to weep.   It really does.

Any chance you coud jump on the leave wagon and get on the tv/radio Tony?

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Post by aquila on 04.05.16 1:36

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Aquila wrote: I doubt if every person in the UK voted 'leave' that anything would really happen.

It's not like you can say let's get out of Europe, let them stick their diktat up their bums and we're going to close our borders, take our ball back and play in our own back garden. There isn't a politician with the nous to know how to proceed if we leave the EU.
@ aquila     I think, with respect, you have misunderstood the position. There is a very great deal of unnecessary fear-mongering about the future if we leave the E.U.

Let me illustrate what I mean:

Act 2, Scene 1: Britain has voted to leave the European Union. Angela Merkel has ordered a summit meeting. David Cameron and Francois Hollande are invited. The three sit down. Merkel and Hollande are on one side of the table, flanked by representatives of the other 25 E.U. countries. Cameron sits in not-so-splendid isolation on the other side of the table:

Merkel: Right, Cameron. You're not part of our club any more.

Cameron: I know.

Hollande: You may remember that I warned you many times there would be 'consequences'.

Merkel: May I remind you that in terms of trade, Obama told you that you would be at the back of the queue.

Hollande: I am now going to spell out the consequences.

Cameron: I know what one of them is. I've already told the Treasury to stop sending you that £55 million a day we send you. What are the other consequences?

Merkel: You will have to pay import tariffs. On British beef, 10%. On British manufactured goods, 15%. On British banking and financial services, 20%. on British...

Cameron: You do that, and I slap 20% import tariffs on BMWs,  Mercedes and Porsches. And Liebfraumllch. Plus 25% on French wines and cheeses, 30% on Fiats and Ferraris...

Merkel and Hollande together (shifting uneasily in their chairs): Eine Moment bitte. Un moment, si'l vous plait. Er, can we discuss this a moment?

Cameron: Be my guest. 

(The representatives of the 27 countries present discuss Cameron's response)  

Some while later:

Merkel: We've had another think. We think maybe imposing tariffs on your goods isn't a good idea after all.

Hollande: Yes, we would like to be good friends with you, Cameron - er, Monsieur Cameron - Non a tariifs, Oui a free trade. J'aime le Royaume Uni beaucoup.   

Merkel: Jawohl!

Cameron: Good, so no tariifs, everything the same as before we left, free trade with each other, let's shake hands on it.

They all shake hands
Brilliant.

My original post was tongue in cheek.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.05.16 20:25

FWIW today's published poll, by ICM, of 2,209 people and carried out between 29 April and 3 May shows:

LEAVE in the lead with 45%
REMAIN trailing 1% behind with 44%

with 11% 'undecided'.

Also FWIW, SIX of the last NINE polls show a clear lead for LEAVE

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Post by pennylane on 04.05.16 20:33

Thus far, I haven't spoken to a single person that wants to Remain!

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Post by Roamin on 05.05.16 10:19

To support Tony's post and observation please have a good read here:

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/

He covers all points with beautiful simplicity

Spread the word

LEAVE!!!!! 

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Post by plebgate on 08.05.16 10:13

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Aquila wrote: I doubt if every person in the UK voted 'leave' that anything would really happen.

It's not like you can say let's get out of Europe, let them stick their diktat up their bums and we're going to close our borders, take our ball back and play in our own back garden. There isn't a politician with the nous to know how to proceed if we leave the EU.
@ aquila     I think, with respect, you have misunderstood the position. There is a very great deal of unnecessary fear-mongering about the future if we leave the E.U.

Let me illustrate what I mean:

Act 2, Scene 1: Britain has voted to leave the European Union. Angela Merkel has ordered a summit meeting. David Cameron and Francois Hollande are invited. The three sit down. Merkel and Hollande are on one side of the table, flanked by representatives of the other 25 E.U. countries. Cameron sits in not-so-splendid isolation on the other side of the table:

Merkel: Right, Cameron. You're not part of our club any more.

Cameron: I know.

Hollande: You may remember that I warned you many times there would be 'consequences'.

Merkel: May I remind you that in terms of trade, Obama told you that you would be at the back of the queue.

Hollande: I am now going to spell out the consequences.

Cameron: I know what one of them is. I've already told the Treasury to stop sending you that £55 million a day we send you. What are the other consequences?

Merkel: You will have to pay import tariffs. On British beef, 10%. On British manufactured goods, 15%. On British banking and financial services, 20%. on British...

Cameron: You do that, and I slap 20% import tariffs on BMWs,  Mercedes and Porsches. And Liebfraumllch. Plus 25% on French wines and cheeses, 30% on Fiats and Ferraris...

Merkel and Hollande together (shifting uneasily in their chairs): Eine Moment bitte. Un moment, si'l vous plait. Er, can we discuss this a moment?

Cameron: Be my guest. 

(The representatives of the 27 countries present discuss Cameron's response)  

Some while later:

Merkel: We've had another think. We think maybe imposing tariffs on your goods isn't a good idea after all.

Hollande: Yes, we would like to be good friends with you, Cameron - er, Monsieur Cameron - Non a tariifs, Oui a free trade. J'aime le Royaume Uni beaucoup.   

Merkel: Jawohl!

Cameron: Good, so no tariifs, everything the same as before we left, free trade with each other, let's shake hands on it.

They all shake hands
I have just watched Gove give an interview on tv with Andrew Marr.

Cracking points given by Gove I thought and I do believe he is the first Leave leader who has more or less give the same argument as above.  Not same words, but same meaning.

Media monitoring of this site, could well be.  winkwink

My very simplistic view of things -  if my neigbours came to me and said that I had to give them £300 a month, open the doors to my home and let any of my neighbours enter, possibly take my job and tell me that I must do as they say or face penalty and in return they would give me £100 a month back (but they could change the amount at any time) would I agree to it.

ERRRRRR NO I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT.   Who in their right minds would give over everything they have worked for so others could benefit from it.

Absolutley crazy and how anyone can vote to stay in the EU is to my mind CRAZY.

LEAVE AND NEVER THINK OF GOING BACK IS MY VIEW.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 11.05.16 7:39

Two more opinion polls in the last few days, one by ICM and one by YouGov, covering the period 4th to 8th May.


One has:
LEAVE 46%
REMAIN: 44%
Undecided 10%

The other has:
REMAIN 42%
LEAVE 40%
Undecided 18%

So, LEAVE ahead 2% in one poll, REMAIN ahead 2% in the other poll = level pegging.

But the booknakers continue to back REMAIN, with odds shifting slightly against LEAVE, one bookmaker is now offering 13-5 against Brexit, better odds for the punter than the 2-1 offered by most at the moment.

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Post by plebgate on 11.05.16 7:46

Bookies got it wrong with Leicester City.

I did read that the bookies are not going to offer long odds ever again.  ha ha.  Don't know if that is correct but if they don't I cannot understand why people would bother placing a bet on rank outsiders but not get long odds.   YET another thing beyond my comprehension these days.

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Post by Roamin on 11.05.16 11:03

Hi All

Please have a read of this by John Redwood  

http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2016/05/11/eu-referendum-leaflet/#comments

Then have a look around the media to see if any pick it up. The answer of course is no, especially at the BBC.

The BBC are the most blindingly corrupt media outlet on the planet. Saville hid in the middle of them, did anybody mention Cliff? only briefly then whoosh, Snr Amarals win, very brief, then whoosh.

The BBC are the biggest threat to democracy in the UK as they sadly have this reputation for impartiality and are believed by the masses.

It is all sadly very relevant to Madeleine, with all the cover up and spin. it makes me want to heave

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Post by BlueBag on 15.05.16 10:46

These people are sick.

It's always been rich against the poor.

Always.

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Post by BlueBag on 15.05.16 15:19

BREAKING NEWS....

Boris has mentioned HITLER!

Who could have guessed?

The "Leave" campaign is in trouble.

Oh dear.

Am I the only one who thinks this whole "leave" thing is being fronted by Etonian Tory v Etonian Tory?

Oh and GOVE.... the man the middle class hate the most.

Smoke.. mirrors... sleight of hand....

Ladies and gentlemen,  you are being PLAYED.

Paul Daniels is laughing in his grave.

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Post by BlueBag on 15.05.16 15:22

How does this happen?

The two antagonists... belonged to the same club.


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Post by BlueBag on 15.05.16 15:28

BREAKING NEWS....

Man Utd v Bournemouth called off.

Suspect package.

FEAR...

We are safer in the EU.

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Post by notlongnow on 15.05.16 15:34

Look like an awful New Romantic tribute band



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