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Post by rustyjames on 14.11.15 0:16

Thinking of all those affected by the tragic attacks in Paris.  Vive la France.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.11.15 0:22

@rustyjames wrote:Thinking of all those affected by the tragic attacks in Paris.  Vive la France.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

A Russian airplane downed - all killed.

Dozens killed in Paris tonight.

Such events need dozens, maybe hundreds, of Islamists taking thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of hours of preparation time to execute these inhuman deeds.  

Swathes of Africa being overrun by Islamist militants

Large parts of Syria and Iraq under Islamist control

Islamist jihadists flooding into Europe under cover of migration  


They are in a violent rage and on the up and up, day by day...

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Post by BlueBag on 14.11.15 6:36

All the attackers dead (again).

But a journalist allegedly heard one shout "France should have stayed out of Syria".

Umm... well we have no-one alive to ask about motives so the media will give them to us.

I don't get it - what could an attack like this gain except a massive backlash against Muslims and calls for all out war on ISIS.

Cui bono?

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Post by BlueBag on 14.11.15 7:18

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34814203


Within an hour, security forces had stormed the concert hall and all four attackers there were dead. Three had blown themselves up and a fourth was shot dead by police.

Convenient - but suicide is forbidden in Islam.

Anyway.. we'll wait until the media provides us with their full story.

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Violence and fear - the Islamists' modus operandi

Post by Tony Bennett on 14.11.15 7:24

@BlueBag wrote:I don't get it - what could an attack like this gain except a massive backlash against Muslims and calls for all out war on ISIS?
How else has Islam advanced except by conquest, violence and terror?

Muslims adore the Prophet Muhammed, whose last 10 years (622-632 AD) were spent in a bloodthirsty, merciless conquest of the Arabian peninsula - the decade in which he uttered many of his sayings, now recorded in the Koran. In these verse which now make up a large chunk of the Koran, violence and suicide are glorified and his megalomania and paranoia transmit themselves into the sura in the hadith - which eventually became the Koran.

Today these verses are taught to young Muslim children in mosques and madrassas over the world, along with the belief that that shahids - martyrs - will immediately gain wonderful sexual favours on admission to heaven. In Palestine the families of Islamist martyrs are paid a bounty of £25,000, part financed by massive financial aid to the Palestinian Authority by the U.S. and the European Union.

Sadly people are now reaping the consequences of the illegal U.S. and British wars on Afghanistan and Iraq.

@ Blue Bag   Terror attacks and killings advance the Islamist cause - the dawa, the command to conquer the non-Islamic world...violence and fear are simply their traditional modus operandi.

Suicide is NOT forbidden in Islam - the Prophet Mohammed and Islamic teachers and imams who follow him have always promoted the heroism of the martyr.


The internet and social media have been ablaze since last night with tens of thousands of Muslims posting messages cheering, glorifying and hailing these brutal murders in cold blood as a great 'victory' over France and 'The West' - many of the messages being in Arabic, of course

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Post by BlueBag on 14.11.15 7:29

Suicide is absolutely forbidden Tony.

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/21-jihad-classical-islamic-perspective.html?start=15

Martyrdom isn't suicide.


How else has Islam advanced except by conquest, violence and terror?
Yes, but historically from a winning position. 

There is no winning position/strategy in this, just death and destruction for more Muslims.

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.11.15 7:55

@BlueBag wrote:All the attackers dead (again).

But a journalist allegedly heard one shout "France should have stayed out of Syria".

Umm... well we have no-one alive to ask about motives so the media will give them to us.

I don't get it - what could an attack like this gain except a massive backlash against Muslims and calls for all out war on ISIS.

Cui bono?

From past track records, the backlash so far has been in words and not in action against the muslims.  What action against the muslims and what safety measures had they put in place post Charlie Hebdo?  Nothing.   
One attack at start of this year and another to end the year seems to me the French don't seem to have intelligence on terrorist cells within the country or you'd think this can be avoided.

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Post by BlueBag on 14.11.15 7:58

From past track records, the backlash so far has been in words and not in action against the muslims.

I must have imagined the missiles and drone attacks in Syria.

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.11.15 8:26

@BlueBag wrote:
From past track records, the backlash so far has been in words and not in action against the muslims.

I must have imagined the missiles and drone attacks in Syria.

No you haven't. How is that related to extremist cells within the country that they haven't any intelligence on, hence the frequency of the attacks.

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Post by BlueBag on 14.11.15 8:34

@aiyoyo wrote:
@BlueBag wrote:
From past track records, the backlash so far has been in words and not in action against the muslims.

I must have imagined the missiles and drone attacks in Syria.

No you haven't. How is that related to extremist cells within the country that they haven't any intelligence on, hence the frequency of the attacks.
So there has been a backlash against Muslims?

Senator Ted Cruz has just called for more bombing because the careful targeting of terrorists with zero civilian casualties isn't working.

You figure out what he means.


"We must immediately recognize that our enemy is not ‘violent extremism.’ It is the radical Islamism that has declared jihad against the west. It will not be appeased by outreach or declarations of tolerance. It will not be deterred by targeted airstrikes with zero tolerance for civilian casualties, when the terrorists have such utter disregard for innocent life."

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Post by aquila on 14.11.15 12:59

I have no words for this evil atrocity, only tears for all those affected and tears for what is yet to come.

Vive la France

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Post by Richard IV on 14.11.15 13:25

As long as there are people that believe what someone wrote in a book thousands of years ago, and do not think for themselves, there will always be madness.  This applies to both factions. They both think they`re right when none of them, in reality, are.

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Post by lj on 14.11.15 17:19

@aquila wrote:I have no words for this evil atrocity, only tears for all those affected and tears for what is yet to come.

Vive la France

Indeed aquila, I fear it is only the beginning.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.11.15 18:05

@lj wrote:
@aquila wrote:I have no words for this evil atrocity, only tears for all those affected and tears for what is yet to come.

Vive la France
Indeed aquila, I fear it is only the beginning.
Looks like one of the Islamist executioners last night came across last month to Greece with a boatload of 'Syrian refugees'.

No sane country should let people in to live with them without knowing exactly who they are:

BBC News an hour ago
Syrian passport holder passed through Greece - minister

Posted at 16:38

A Greek government minister says the holder of a Syrian passport found at the scene crossed into the European Union through the Greek island of Leros in October. 
Deputy public order minister Nikos Toskas, said in a statement:
On the case of the Syrian passport found at the scene of the terrorist attack, we announce that the passport holder passed from Leros on October 3 where he was identified based on EU rules ... We do not know if the passport was checked by other countries through which the holder likely passed.

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Post by hentie on 14.11.15 18:10

We let people into our country feeling sorrow but we also let in those that mean to harm.
Frightening.
I feel so sad for those affected by the barbaric acts that have happened in France.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.11.15 19:01

@hentie wrote:We let people into our country feeling sorrow but we also let in those that mean to harm.
Frightening.
I feel so sad for those affected by the barbaric acts that have happened in France.
Over 100 years ago, Sir Winston Churchill, no less, made these observations about Islam, which was then (and more appropriately) called 'Mohammedanism':

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"How dreadful are the curses which [Islam/Mohammedanism] lays on its votaries!

Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.  

The fact that in [Islamic/Mohammedan] law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property (either as a child, a wife, or a concubine) must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam/Mohammedanism has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.

Far from being moribund, [Islam] is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome"

- Sir Winston Churchill

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We should have listened to the great man. Today poor old Sir Winston would be charged and convicted of a racist or religioulsy-motivated hate crime for saying those true words.

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Post by hentie on 14.11.15 19:11

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@hentie wrote:We let people into our country feeling sorrow but we also let in those that mean to harm.
Frightening.
I feel so sad for those affected by the barbaric acts that have happened in France.
Over 100 years ago, Sir Winston Churchill, no less, made these observations about Islam, which was then (and more appropriately) called 'Mohammedanism':

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"How dreadful are the curses which [Islam/Mohammedanism] lays on its votaries!

Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.  

The fact that in [Islamic/Mohammedan] law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property (either as a child, a wife, or a concubine) must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam/Mohammedanism has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.

Far from being moribund, [Islam] is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome"

- Sir Winston Churchill

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We should have listened to the great man. Today poor old Sir Winston would be charged and convicted of a racist or religioulsy-motivated hate crime for saying those true words.
Churchill had foresight. Pity Blair didn't have the same!

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Post by notlongnow on 14.11.15 19:26

You have to wonder how much better this world maybe without any religion.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.11.15 19:37

@notlongnow wrote:You have to wonder how much better this world maybe without any religion.
They tried to enforce atheism in the French Revolution - and we got the Reign of Terror.
They tried to enforce atheism in Soviet Russia - and Stalin murdered 30 million and locked up all dissenters in gulags.
They tried to enforce atheism in Communist China - where Chairman Mao Tse Tung probably murdered twice as many.

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And would the world really be better off without Bible-believing Christian evangelists like George Muller? - sadly a forgotten man today despite his superhuman efforts for orphans in Victorian England:
  
 
George Müller (German – born as : Johann Georg Ferdinand Müller; 27 September 1805 – 10 March 1898), a Christian evangelist and Director of the Ashley Down orphanage in Bristol, England, cared for 10,024[1] orphans in his life.[2] He was well known for providing an education to the children under his care, to the point where he was accused of raising the poor above their natural station in life. He also established 117 schools which offered Christian education to over 120,000 children, many of them being orphans...

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...Every morning after breakfast there was a time of Bible reading and prayer, and every child was given a Bible upon leaving the orphanage, together with a tin trunk containing two changes of clothing. The children were dressed well and educated – Müller even employed a schools inspector to maintain high standards. In fact, many claimed that nearby factories and mines were unable to obtain enough workers because of his efforts in securing apprenticeships, professional training, and domestic service positions for the children old enough to leave the orphanage.[15]

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Post by Verdi on 14.11.15 22:11

Warmongers wage war in the name of religion, in ancient civilazations religion was politics and politics was religion.  If god exists, it is not a physical presence it is a spiritual being, the interpretation of any one religion emanates from god's representatives on earth, in early days through the medium of a prophet - Jesus, Abraham, Mohamed and such like.  Every non pagan religion recognizes the messengers of other religions even though their individual messenger is consider to be the ultimate being for gods word.  As far as I can see, nothing changes in this respect.

There is good and bad in all sectors of society, followers of different religions can live cheek by jowl - and do.  Because a bunch of fanatics are trying to take over the world in the name of Islam doesn't mean all Muslims are bad, even if their religious customs appear a bit wacky to the non-believer;  any more than one can say all German people are bad because Hitler was responsible for the annihilation of thousands upon thousands of innocent people and the persecution of Jews in particular.

Look largely towards the politicians, what sector of modern civilization will tolerate invasion of their lands by foreign military forces, more so infiltrators with no concern with their internal affairs.  The USA and Europe (in particular the UK) are dab hands at interfering with foreign conflict, this might appear to be the right course of action to some but the recipient countries don't see it in the same light.  Don't therefore be surprised if they wreak revenge - it takes two to tango!  USA and Europe invade the Middle/Far East, in essence interfering, then it's no surprise they will retaliate.

If for example, mosques and synagogues are springing up across the UK who is allowing it to happen?  Why the politicians of course but why do they allow this to happen?   Your guess is as good as mine.

Politics = religion.  Religion = politics.  All in it for supremacy and world dominance.

ETA:  Before someone gets the wrong end of the stick, I'm not condoning terrorism - au contraire, I'm just apportioning the blame more liberally.  It's also important to remember that to millions of people across the world, their faith is a very important part of their lives, no matter how strange it might appear to non-believers.

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Post by BlueBag on 14.11.15 23:26

@notlongnow wrote:You have to wonder how much better this world maybe without any religion.
I am totally 100% FOR freedom of religion.

I am also totally 100% FOR freedom to criticise religion.

In the west, Christianity got taken to the cleaners in the media throughout the 70s and 80s (Sea of Faith, Jesus The Evidence, etc...)

The same MUST be done for Islam.

None of this "don't offend" rubbish.

Education is the key.

People need to know that Muhammad was a polygamist, a pedophile and a war monger and a opportunist (Satanic Verses) who changed doctrine when it suited his purposes.

God never spoke to him but he told everyone God said he needs to get laid (a sure sign of fakery - see Joseph Smith of the Mormons).

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Post by Tony Bennett on 15.11.15 0:30

@BlueBag wrote:
Education is the key. People need to know that Muhammad was a polygamist, a pedophile and a war monger and a opportunist (Satanic Verses) who changed doctrine when it suited his purposes. God never spoke to him but he told everyone God said he needs to get laid (a sure sign of fakery - see Joseph Smith of the Mormons).

REPLY: Agreed. Mohammed either had 16 or 22 wives, depending on which version of the history you accept. He also fancied his last wife, Aysha, when she was 6 and he was 51. They married, as was the custom of those days, by Mohammed simply knocking on her mother's door and saying: 'Now we are married'. He took Aysha home that day and the marriage was consummated that night or very soon afterwards - confirmed by contemporary accounts. These facts and Mohammed's bloodthirsty, warmongering last 10 years of his life are denied from our children, thus they do not get a true understanding of Islam       

I am also totally 100% FOR freedom to criticise religion.

REPLY: I do not disagree with you at all, save only to say that as in other walks of life, goading and provocative actions might be best avoided: gratuitous offence may not be necessary to get your point across. But no-one should stop people ridiculing  and satirising various forms of religion if that's what they want to do. 

If, as you say, 'Education is the key', then let us at least have a short course for children on the stunning confirmations that archaeology has brought us in the past 200 years of the 100% accuracy of so many Old Testament historical accounts, as in this guide to the British Museum:        

http://www.metropolitantabernacle.org/Books-by-Peter-Masters/British-Museum-Biblical-Evidence/Heritage-of-Evidence

...it might increase their interest in and respect for this unique Book   

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Post by aquila on 15.11.15 11:19

Where are the Imams in Europe publicly denouncing this atrocity?

Where are they?

Where are their instructions to muslims enjoying the peace and freedom to exist in European countries that this act of terrorism is abhorrent and to come forward with information?

Where are they?

Where is there any kind of  statement from the Saudi government?

Where is it?

It was just the same with the Catholic church when the IRA bombed Birmingham.

USA didn't have much to say on that.

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Post by Realist on 15.11.15 11:43

@aquila wrote: and tears for what is yet to come.

Vive la France

Are you referring to further 'terrorist' attacks, or further gov. attacks on civil liberties, not that there's many left to attack. Nothing much has changed since medieval times, the only difference being, instead of subjugating the proletariat through religion and threats of burning in hell, the ruling elite now use their handmaidens, the media, to control them through the threat of terrorism.

Although this attack occurred in France, let there be no doubt that the British government will use it as an excuse to impose ever more blairesque draconianism on its already subservient subjects. At the very least, this latest attack must surely warrant calls from the 'Sun' and 'Daily Mail' for further benefit cuts on the poor and disabled, or perhaps even the banning of water pistols and the supply of kitchen utensils in any material other than plastic. In the case of the latter, one really must fear for the future of Sheffield industry.

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