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Post by jeanmonroe on 11.08.15 10:32

With reference to my earlier 'post'..........................'WHERE'S THE EFFING MONEY, DAVE?'

The Daily Fail has 'found' some!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3192918/Kids-Company-trustee-s-children-charity-s-payroll-String-foreign-trips-daughter-hired-32-500-music-ordinator.html

Kids Company trustee's children were on charity's payroll:

String of foreign trips for daughter, 34, who was hired as £32,500 'music co-ordinator'

Charity paid Sasha and Jamie Handover about £50,000 a year in total
They are the children of one of Kids Company's trustees Richard Handover
Sasha, 34, was sent on a series of expensive, far-flung fundraising trips
Charity defended hiring trustee's children, saying they worked 'damn hard'

Kids Company is facing a fresh storm of controversy after it emerged that two of the vice-chairman’s children were on the charity’s payroll before its collapse.

Sasha and Jamie Handover were both handed coveted jobs at the organisation where their father Richard, a former boss of WH Smith, has been a board member since 2005.

The siblings were paid around £50,000 a year between them by the taxpayer-subsidised charity until it imploded last week amid allegations of financial mismanagement and sexual abuse on its premises.
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Questions are now being 'asked' WHY other high 'profile' 'charidys' are staying remarkably 'silent' on 'criticising' KC.!

I think we KNOW the 'answer' to THAT, don't we, MP?!!!!!

£1.71 MILLIONpa just to cover 'staff costs, salaries, pensions and 'other' benefits'

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Trustees leaving a sinking ship

Post by PeterMac on 13.08.15 17:06

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/598109/EXCLUSIVE-Trustees-apply-wind-up-scandal-hit-Kids-Company-dashing-founder-s-restructure
EXCLUSIVE: Trustees apply to wind up scandal-hit Kids Company dashing restructure hopes

TRUSTEES of scandal-hit Kids Company have lodged court papers to have the defunct charity officially wound up, ending hopes it may be saved under a last-ditch restructure.
By JON AUSTIN
PUBLISHED: 14:25, Thu, Aug 13, 2015 | UPDATED: 14:48, Thu, Aug 13, 2015

Kids Company has applied to the High Court to be wound up
Express.co.uk can exclusively reveal charity leaders submitted a winding up petition at the High Court in London late yesterday.
Kids Company, which said it helped up to 36,000 poverty-stricken and vulnerable children and youths, closed last Wednesday just a week after securing a £3million emergency bailout from the Government.
The total sum owed to creditors has yet to be made public, but the charity's last set of accounts for 2013 showed around £4.7million was owed, and the position is believed to have worsened since.
It is understood there could be around £2million of assets left within the charity.
The case is expected to be heard this month.
If a specialist insolvency judge agrees to wind up the charity and its associated limited companies, the Kids Company finances will be pored over by receivers, in a bid to secure any cash back for creditors.

I think we can remember when another set of Trustees / Directors of a "Fund" all decided to get out, some time ago.
It would be interesting for know the Trustees' legal position on bankruptcy

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Re: Spending watchdog launches Kids Company inquiry

Post by whodunit on 13.08.15 18:07

@willowthewisp wrote:Hi to all, I have read today that Camila is being brought under pressure by Government person's, that she has informed the Government of abuses being instigated by Elite people and has/is prepared to offer the names of these people, is this part of a Witch hunt against her?

Sounds more like a threat. If she's known this information why hasn't she come out with it before now, when she's in trouble?

This quote from the article is exceedingly weird:

"She said: ‘On Fridays in 2008, little packages of cash were handed out to every young person through a window in the Urban Academy reception. It was always tense. There were tears. There was shouting. There were threats. There were fights.’

Why are 'youths' receiving packets of money from this charity and what reason could there be for the shouting, tears, and threats while it's being dispensed out of a window like fast food?

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Post by whodunit on 13.08.15 18:19

@aquila wrote:This 'charity' was allegedly paying overdue wages...overdue

600 employees, overdue wages and government/taxpayer investment. Now suspend outrage for a moment and look at Missing People charity. The UK police are currently saying they don't have the resources to deal with missing people/children. Missing People have been lobbying for a long time to take on the job. Welcome to the child industry. If it can be called a charity and things go wrong the government can wash its hands of all responsibility, close it down, look good and spout endless rhetoric.

Welcome to the child industry.

The money from porn, prostitution, and trafficking of children has to get washed somehow. Kid's charities are the ideal front.

In the US, a shill for a sandwich chain is under investigation for Federal child porn charges:

Subway’s Jared Fogle Was ‘Best Friends’ With Accused Child Pornographer
Subway spokesman Jared Fogle was allegedly best pals with the man who ran his children’s charity and who now stands accused of federal child-porn charges.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/09/subway-s-jared-fogle-was-best-friends-with-accused-child-pornographer.html

During the Sandusky/Penn State pedophile scandal a rumor went around that Jerry Sandusky, now in prison, used his 'Second Mile' charity as a supply chain for rich sickos.


SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky 'Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors'

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11#ixzz3iiT3WmBS

Pennsylvania radio host Mark Madden predicted: “I will use the only language I can—that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich [Second Mile] donors.”

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/08/12/wider-pedophile-ring-at-penn-state-points-to-explosive-connections/

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Re: Spending watchdog launches Kids Company inquiry

Post by aquila on 13.08.15 19:22

@PeterMac wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/598109/EXCLUSIVE-Trustees-apply-wind-up-scandal-hit-Kids-Company-dashing-founder-s-restructure
EXCLUSIVE: Trustees apply to wind up scandal-hit Kids Company dashing restructure hopes

TRUSTEES of scandal-hit Kids Company have lodged court papers to have the defunct charity officially wound up, ending hopes it may be saved under a last-ditch restructure.
By JON AUSTIN
PUBLISHED: 14:25, Thu, Aug 13, 2015 | UPDATED: 14:48, Thu, Aug 13, 2015

Kids Company has applied to the High Court to be wound up
Express.co.uk can exclusively reveal charity leaders submitted a winding up petition at the High Court in London late yesterday.
Kids Company, which said it helped up to 36,000 poverty-stricken and vulnerable children and youths, closed last Wednesday just a week after securing a £3million emergency bailout from the Government.
The total sum owed to creditors has yet to be made public, but the charity's last set of accounts for 2013 showed around £4.7million was owed, and the position is believed to have worsened since.
It is understood there could be around £2million of assets left within the charity.
The case is expected to be heard this month.
If a specialist insolvency judge agrees to wind up the charity and its associated limited companies, the Kids Company finances will be pored over by receivers, in a bid to secure any cash back for creditors.

I think we can remember when another set of Trustees / Directors of a "Fund" all decided to get out, some time ago.  
It would be interesting for know the Trustees' legal position on bankruptcy
KC's annual report (once you get past the tiptoe through the tulips theme) says it's a Ltd Company, not-for-profit, and yet at the same time it is a registered charity. How those entities coincide is something to be explained by an expert. According to the annual report trustees are liable for £1. Also according to the annual report, at the end of each year Trustees resign and are up for some sort of re-election/re-applying for their own jobs.

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Long read, but worth it

Post by PeterMac on 15.08.15 14:12

https://www.ncvo.org.uk/images/documents/about_us/our-finances-and-pay/Executive_Pay_Report.pdf

• There are almost 161,000 registered general charities in England and Wales, with an annual income of just over £39 billion – more than the UK defence budget.


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Re: Spending watchdog launches Kids Company inquiry

Post by lj on 15.08.15 14:55

@aquila wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/598109/EXCLUSIVE-Trustees-apply-wind-up-scandal-hit-Kids-Company-dashing-founder-s-restructure
EXCLUSIVE: Trustees apply to wind up scandal-hit Kids Company dashing restructure hopes

TRUSTEES of scandal-hit Kids Company have lodged court papers to have the defunct charity officially wound up, ending hopes it may be saved under a last-ditch restructure.
By JON AUSTIN
PUBLISHED: 14:25, Thu, Aug 13, 2015 | UPDATED: 14:48, Thu, Aug 13, 2015

Kids Company has applied to the High Court to be wound up
Express.co.uk can exclusively reveal charity leaders submitted a winding up petition at the High Court in London late yesterday.
Kids Company, which said it helped up to 36,000 poverty-stricken and vulnerable children and youths, closed last Wednesday just a week after securing a £3million emergency bailout from the Government.
The total sum owed to creditors has yet to be made public, but the charity's last set of accounts for 2013 showed around £4.7million was owed, and the position is believed to have worsened since.
It is understood there could be around £2million of assets left within the charity.
The case is expected to be heard this month.
If a specialist insolvency judge agrees to wind up the charity and its associated limited companies, the Kids Company finances will be pored over by receivers, in a bid to secure any cash back for creditors.

I think we can remember when another set of Trustees / Directors of a "Fund" all decided to get out, some time ago.  
It would be interesting for know the Trustees' legal position on bankruptcy
KC's annual report (once you get past the tiptoe through the tulips theme) says it's a Ltd Company, not-for-profit, and yet at the same time it is a registered charity. How those entities coincide is something to be explained by an expert. According to the annual report trustees are liable for £1. Also according to the annual report, at the end of each year Trustees resign and are up for some sort of re-election/re-applying for their own jobs.

Interesting Aquila!

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Post by PeterMac on 16.08.15 8:07

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3199528/Camila-s-private-swimming-pool-luxury-mansions-paid-Kids-Company-Children-used-5-000-month-home-banned-using-facility.html#comments

Daily Mail doing some investigative Journalism. Why not for other cases ?

Camila's own private swimming pool... in luxury mansion paid for by Kids Company: Children who used £5,000-a-month home were banned from the pool - in a house lived in by aide she 'doesn't know from Adam'
Kids Company spent £200,000 on renting home known as The White House
The £1.5million home was supposed to be for underprivileged children
It has a luxury swimming pool but the children weren't allowed to use it
Disgraced boss Camila Batmanghelidjh took regular dips in the pool
By SIMON WALTERS and MILES GOSLETT and NEIL CRAVEN FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 21:02 GMT, 15 August 2015 | UPDATED: 00:58 GMT, 16 August 2015

Controversial Kids Company boss Camila Batmanghelidjh had a ‘personal private swimming pool’ in a £5,000-a-month mansion paid for from the charity’s funds.
The disclosure comes as a Mail on Sunday investigation into Kids Company also established that:
One of Ms Batmanghelidjh’s senior aides lives in the elegant London home called The White House, which is worth at least £1.5 million and has cost the charity £200,000 in rent.
The house was obtained as a home for underprivileged children – but they were not allowed to use the swimming pool although Ms Batmanghelidjh took regular dips.
Charity funds were used to help two children of Ms Batmanghelidjh’s chauffeur to attend a fee- paying school.
The charity has a policy of paying school fees for the children of staff ‘to reduce employees’ stress levels’.
The charity gave the chauffeur’s sister-in-law a top finance job – she also makes the former charity boss’s trademark colourful outfits.
A leaked document shows the charity spent more than £750,000 on 25 ‘clients’ in one year. Many are adults in their 20s and 30s.
. . .
Ms Batmanghelidjh was asked about a leaked list of the 25 ‘clients’ who received the most money from the charity. The list, headed ‘Analysis of Kids Costs,’ is in the form of a league table, highlighting ‘changes in expenditure for children with [the] highest ranking’. In 2014, a total of £769,150 was spent on Kids Company’s 25 ‘top ranking clients’. The number one position went to a ‘client’ who benefited from £73,364 of the charity’s funds in 2014.

Time for Plod to step in, I think.

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Post by willowthewisp on 16.08.15 9:52

Hi Petermac,
Camila did not want the children swimming in her pool, perish the thought of all those children polluting the chosen one's palatial trimmings, not for the plebs, only for the Elite Echelons of the Charity, now where's that Bloody chauffeur gone to now, driving his kids around in my company's car on shopping jaunts?

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Post by joyce1938 on 16.08.15 10:16

she also would have to have employed a life guard ,be quitea legal problem if she let kids go inat that time . MInd you if mony was not a problem she could have employed someone . Surely ifeven some of thse accusaions are true ,it should b investigated. joyce1938

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Post by aquila on 16.08.15 10:20

@PeterMac wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3199528/Camila-s-private-swimming-pool-luxury-mansions-paid-Kids-Company-Children-used-5-000-month-home-banned-using-facility.html#comments

Daily Mail doing some investigative Journalism.   Why not for other cases ?

Camila's own private swimming pool... in luxury mansion paid for by Kids Company: Children who used £5,000-a-month home were banned from the pool - in a house lived in by aide she 'doesn't know from Adam'
Kids Company spent £200,000 on renting home known as The White House
The £1.5million home was supposed to be for underprivileged children
It has a luxury swimming pool but the children weren't allowed to use it
Disgraced boss Camila Batmanghelidjh took regular dips in the pool
By SIMON WALTERS and MILES GOSLETT and NEIL CRAVEN FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 21:02 GMT, 15 August 2015 | UPDATED: 00:58 GMT, 16 August 2015

Controversial Kids Company boss Camila Batmanghelidjh had a ‘personal private swimming pool’ in a £5,000-a-month mansion paid for from the charity’s funds.
The disclosure comes as a Mail on Sunday investigation into Kids Company also established that:
One of Ms Batmanghelidjh’s senior aides lives in the elegant London home called The White House, which is worth at least £1.5 million and has cost the charity £200,000 in rent.
The house was obtained as a home for underprivileged children – but they were not allowed to use the swimming pool although Ms Batmanghelidjh took regular dips.
Charity funds were used to help two children of Ms Batmanghelidjh’s chauffeur to attend a fee- paying school.
The charity has a policy of paying school fees for the children of staff ‘to reduce employees’ stress levels’.
The charity gave the chauffeur’s sister-in-law a top finance job – she also makes the former charity boss’s trademark colourful outfits.
A leaked document shows the charity spent more than £750,000 on 25 ‘clients’ in one year. Many are adults in their 20s and 30s.
. . .
Ms Batmanghelidjh was asked about a leaked list of the 25 ‘clients’ who received the most money from the charity. The list, headed ‘Analysis of Kids Costs,’ is in the form of a league table, highlighting ‘changes in expenditure for children with [the] highest ranking’. In 2014, a total of £769,150 was spent on Kids Company’s 25 ‘top ranking clients’. The number one position went to a ‘client’ who benefited from £73,364 of the charity’s funds in 2014.

Time for Plod to step in, I think.
yes Peter and whilst Plod are looking at Kids Company they might also wish to take a look at the movers and shakers behind All in All Transit.

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Post by skyrocket on 16.08.15 11:05

@ Petermac  Time for Plod to step in, I think.

I agree.
The structure of the charity is irrelevant in a case like this. Forming a company to limit liability for the board of trustees does not apply in law if said trustees have behaved negligently, recklessly or worse. Due diligence is assumed and if on investigation it can be shown that trustees have been overseeing any dubious use of funds they should, at the very least, be liable for losses incurred. It will be very interesting to see how this pans out.

If I had the time, I'd start pulling the accounts for other charities with limited status (most of them now!) and have a wee look at where all our hard earned dosh is going when we put a pound in a collection box. I suspect the type of 'charitable spending' we are seeing with the KC is endemic, which is a depressing thought. I've already found a certain 'charity' set up and run by an x-gov gent which carries out sensitive (terrorist, etc) negotiations for governments around the world. Funded mainly by large gov grants (charitable status). Very sparse accounts (with no specifics about the work actually done to save the world) which show a high percentage of employee salaries and expenses, including 140K (salary) to the CEO (our x-gov gent) in year 13/14.

And, don't get me started on the massive amounts of funds pumped 'into' certain African countries which never hit the ground. Sorry OT.

Wrong people in the right jobs I think. And you know what most of them have in common (apart from a complete lack of morals/ethics) - they're all motor-mouths. They've always got an answer or an angle; private/public school educated Arthur Daley's the lot of them. Less family money and they'd be down the market selling knocked off Rolexes for a fiver, and getting away with it.

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Post by Doug D on 16.08.15 12:45

Steeple Times today, with a reminder about our old friend, Lady Meyer & PACT:

Scrap the toothless poodle


Matthew Steeples suggests the disgrace of Camila Batmanghelidjh should signal the death knell for the “do-nothing” organisation that is the Charity Commission
 
News on Sunday that the controversial Kids Company boss Camila Batmanghelidjh had a “personal private swimming pool” in a £5,000-a-month North London Grade II listed Art Deco house paid for out of the charity’s funds is shocking but not surprising. Miss Batmanghelidjh, it seems, treated the organisation as her own personal fiefdom and as has been the case with many other charities, one has to ask: “Where was the Charity Commission?”
 
Miss Batmanghelidjh, the Mail on Sunday also revealed, allowed her charity to pay £50,000 towards contributions to the school of her chauffeur’s son, gave the same chauffeur’s sister a job making her “trademark colourful outfits” and attempted to justify her actions by snapping at a reporter: “Whoever told you this has been malicious”.
 
In the interview with Simon Walters, Batmanghelidjh bleated:
 
“I know who [the individuals who told the Charity Commission and media about what was going on at Kids Company] are and you have to question their motives. What they have done is wrong. The issue will be addressed. My heart is very clear. If I’ve shed any tears, it’s been for the kids, not for me”.
 
Reading this I found myself thinking of another once high-profile lady involved in charity, Lady Meyer. In 2009, Richard Eden – who at that time worked on The Telegraph’s ‘Mandrake’ column – revealed that “all but £9,500 of the money received in donations” by the “Chanel-clad wife of the former British ambassador to Washington’s” charity, Parents & Abducted Children Together (PACT), went to Lady Meyer herself and one member of staff who had been employed as her assistant. When questioned, Meyer attempted to justify the situation in a similar way to Batmanghelidjh and complained: “We are doing a huge amount of work for very little salary… I used to work in the City and earned much more”.
 
On this occasion and despite my reporting the matter to the Charity Commission, nothing was done. Their pathetic answer: “It’s a matter for the charity’s trustees, not for us” was no doubt used when anyone complained to them about Batmanghelidjh’s charity also. Six years on, as the case of Kids Company proves, nothing has changed and thus it is time that the toothless “do-nothing” poodle that is the Charity Commission was finally consigned to history.
 
http://thesteepletimes.com/editorial/scrap-the-toothless-poodle/

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Camila to open children's food bank

Post by Guest on 16.08.15 17:53

Camila Batmanghelidjh set to open children's food bank
Founder of collapsed Kids Company says 50 former staff have volunteered to help run Kids Dining Room in south London


Camila Batmanghelidjh. Photograph: Rex Shutterstock
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Sunday 16 August 2015 16.34 BST Last modified on Sunday 16 August 2015 17.49 BST
Camila Batmanghelidjh, founder of the recently closed Kids Company charity, reportedly has plans to open a food bank for up to 3,000 children and young people.
Less than two weeks after the charity’s collapse, its former chief executive is set to open Kids Dining Room beneath a railway arch in Lambeth, south London, this week, the Sunday Times reported.

Related: Camila Batmanghelidjh: ‘I’m actually quite rigorous. I’m just not wearing a suit’

Batmanghelidjh said 50 former staff had volunteered to help run it. “Some people may want me to disappear, but there are a whole lots of others who saw Kids Company as a lifeline,” she told the paper.
“Children have been ringing me up saying they are hungry, so we are trying to salvage something from the mess that Westminster created.”
The food bank will initially offer bags of vegetables and tinned food provided by a restaurant chain, and eventually Batmanghelidjh hopes to secure a kitchen. She said she would not be fronting it. “I am a dire cook. I’ve never turned on my oven.”
Kids Company shut down at the start of August after the government pulled an annual grant of £3m following allegations of financial mismanagement at the charity, which had no funding reserves. The government has had to find alternative support for 6,000 vulnerable children as a result of its closure.
Batmanghelidjh agreed to stand aside from her position in order to secure a £3m emergency restructuring grant, part of which was spent on overdue staff wages. Immediately after the charity’s closure she blamed “rumour-mongering civil servants”, ministers and the media for having “put the nail” in its coffin.

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Post by aquila on 16.08.15 19:42

Ladyinred wrote:Camila Batmanghelidjh set to open children's food bank
Founder of collapsed Kids Company says 50 former staff have volunteered to help run Kids Dining Room in south London


Camila Batmanghelidjh. Photograph: Rex Shutterstock
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Sunday 16 August 2015 16.34 BST Last modified on Sunday 16 August 2015 17.49 BST
Camila Batmanghelidjh, founder of the recently closed Kids Company charity, reportedly has plans to open a food bank for up to 3,000 children and young people.
Less than two weeks after the charity’s collapse, its former chief executive is set to open Kids Dining Room beneath a railway arch in Lambeth, south London, this week, the Sunday Times reported.

Related: Camila Batmanghelidjh: ‘I’m actually quite rigorous. I’m just not wearing a suit’

Batmanghelidjh said 50 former staff had volunteered to help run it. “Some people may want me to disappear, but there are a whole lots of others who saw Kids Company as a lifeline,” she told the paper.
“Children have been ringing me up saying they are hungry, so we are trying to salvage something from the mess that Westminster created.”
The food bank will initially offer bags of vegetables and tinned food provided by a restaurant chain, and eventually Batmanghelidjh hopes to secure a kitchen. She said she would not be fronting it. “I am a dire cook. I’ve never turned on my oven.”
Kids Company shut down at the start of August after the government pulled an annual grant of £3m following allegations of financial mismanagement at the charity, which had no funding reserves. The government has had to find alternative support for 6,000 vulnerable children as a result of its closure.
Batmanghelidjh agreed to stand aside from her position in order to secure a £3m emergency restructuring grant, part of which was spent on overdue staff wages. Immediately after the charity’s closure she blamed “rumour-mongering civil servants”, ministers and the media for having “put the nail” in its coffin.
Snipped from the above article

“Children have been ringing me up saying they are hungry, so we are trying to salvage something from the mess that Westminster created.”

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Snipped from an article in the Guardian

The one thing that dents Batmanghelidjh’s credibility, for me, is her tendency to be lurid. She doesn’t seem to trust the listener to believe someone is in a bad way: she always has to add a suicide attempt, a crack-addict mother, eight other siblings.

And yet she has been immersed in this for decades (asked if she had a life outside it, she said, affronted, “would you ask a painter that?”), while the world becomes, if anything, less responsive. “The day the Spectator article came out [mainly based on the testimony of Joan Woolard, a donor who fell out with Batmanghelidjh] was also the day that I had to issue bulletproof vests to some members of staff. It’s like we’re living in two different Britains.

“The ones who have the power to define Britain cannot comprehend that there’s another kind of Britain that isn’t their daily life experience, but nevertheless exists.”


http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/14/camila-batmanghelidjh-interview-im-actually-quite-rigorous

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Ms B seems to have an answer for everything - apart from specifically where the money has gone.

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Post by aquila on 16.08.15 19:58

I'm also adding a snippet from the Guardian article quoted above:

As for the claims against her personally, she says: “When I was growing up [in Iran], we knew in our type of countries that if you spoke up, you could be imprisoned or assassinated. But I think Britain does exactly the same thing – it’s reptutational assassination.”

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Will this woman be playing the race/religious card anytime soon?

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Post by comperedna on 17.08.15 16:08

I doubt it, Aquila. She is Iranian, ie Persian. Same race as white British. Also, I think she is an atheist, so not religious either.
She may feel politically persecuted and say so.

The problem lies elsewhere in the dumb, stupid lack of check ups on accountancy and suchlike, and because of all those politicians grandstanding and wanting to look good in supporting such a noble 'charidee'. (OK much of what she did was good, but WHY NOT HAVE AN EFFECTIVE ADMINISTRATOR/FINANCE DIRECTOR?!! Because of that the whole shebang went under.)

All she will admit to is 'not being able to raise enough money'!!! She raised MILLIONS. She did not sort out the finances properly and all, and she will not admit that very serious failing.

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Post by aquila on 17.08.15 18:00

When someone is backed into a corner such as Ms B is, I believe they will pull every trick in the book and that includes race/religious discrimination. Of course it might be disguised as representing the plight of the minorities assisted by KC.

This woman isn't Teflon coated, she's waterproof.

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AS we revealed on this Forum some time ago !

Post by PeterMac on 22.08.15 7:21

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3206679/Kids-Company-inflated-list-clients-15-500-Failed-charity-claimed-helping-16-000-high-risk-people-real-number-lower-500.html

Kids Company 'inflated list of clients by 15,500': Failed charity claimed to be helping 16,000 high risk people but the real number may be lower than 500
Kids Company 'hugely exaggerated number of young people it helped'
Investigation revealed claims of 15,500 clients were more like 500 or less
Allegations come as Charity Commission launched probe into organisation
Reports have emerged taxpayers will lose £1.2million following its collapse

Kids Company hugely exaggerated the number of high-risk young people it was helping, it was claimed last night.
The failed charity publicly claimed to be helping 16,000 high-risk people, but an investigation has revealed the number may be lower than 500.
The latest allegations emerged just hours after the Charity Commission launched a probe into the organisation, amid reports that taxpayers will lose £1.2million following its collapse.
The charity, founded by Camila Batmanghelidjh, has already come under fire for misleading the public with dramatically inflated claims for the number of children it helped.
But last night, it was revealed that the charity had misled the public more than even its worst critics feared.
The charity has claimed that it helped 36,000 people, including almost 16,000 who were ‘high-risk’. But those claims were wildly out of kilter with the number of young people on its books when Kids Company passed the details of its vulnerable charges to the authorities following its collapse.
According to BBC Newsnight and Buzzfeed, Kids Company handed over the details of just 1,692 adults and children in London, including 331 designated as high-risk. Bristol City Council was given details of a further 175 clients.
Even if all the Bristol individuals were high-risk, the charity would have been in charge of only 506 high-risk clients – just 3 per cent of the 15,933 high-risk individuals Miss Batmanghelidjh identified earlier this month.


Track back, and realise that we did the simple calculations, and proved it was nonsense, two weeks ago.
Just as we proved that Tannerman was impossible, giving one minute and 20 seconds to do a list of Herculean tasks,
so we proved that all the figures given by Batman-Jellyfish were bogus, as they would have required 9 centres each holding 4,000 children across three cities.
The application of clear thinking and logic can be most helpful !


There is also some good work being done on some of the young people this "Charity" is said to have helped.
More as it emerges.


(Does any member here have access to the Companies House detailed data ? - If so, could PM me)

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Post by sallypelt on 22.08.15 9:51

@PeterMac wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3206679/Kids-Company-inflated-list-clients-15-500-Failed-charity-claimed-helping-16-000-high-risk-people-real-number-lower-500.html

Kids Company 'inflated list of clients by 15,500': Failed charity claimed to be helping 16,000 high risk people but the real number may be lower than 500
Kids Company 'hugely exaggerated number of young people it helped'
Investigation revealed claims of 15,500 clients were more like 500 or less
Allegations come as Charity Commission launched probe into organisation
Reports have emerged taxpayers will lose £1.2million following its collapse

Kids Company hugely exaggerated the number of high-risk young people it was helping, it was claimed last night.
The failed charity publicly claimed to be helping 16,000 high-risk people, but an investigation has revealed the number may be lower than 500.
The latest allegations emerged just hours after the Charity Commission launched a probe into the organisation, amid reports that taxpayers will lose £1.2million following its collapse.
The charity, founded by Camila Batmanghelidjh, has already come under fire for misleading the public with dramatically inflated claims for the number of children it helped.
But last night, it was revealed that the charity had misled the public more than even its worst critics feared.
The charity has claimed that it helped 36,000 people, including almost 16,000 who were ‘high-risk’. But those claims were wildly out of kilter with the number of young people on its books when Kids Company passed the details of its vulnerable charges to the authorities following its collapse.
According to BBC Newsnight and Buzzfeed, Kids Company handed over the details of just 1,692 adults and children in London, including 331 designated as high-risk. Bristol City Council was given details of a further 175 clients.
Even if all the Bristol individuals were high-risk, the charity would have been in charge of only 506 high-risk clients – just 3 per cent of the 15,933 high-risk individuals Miss Batmanghelidjh identified earlier this month.


Track back, and realise that we did the simple calculations, and proved it was nonsense, two weeks ago.
Just as we proved that Tannerman was impossible, giving one minute and 20 seconds to do a list of Herculean tasks,
so we proved that all the figures given by Batman-Jellyfish were bogus, as they would have required 9 centres each holding 4,000 children across three cities.
The application of clear thinking and logic can be most helpful !


There is also some good work being done on some of the young people this "Charity" is said to have helped.
More as it emerges.


(Does any member here have access to the Companies House detailed data ? -  If so, could PM me)
I've sent you some information in PM, Peter, but I can also copy the Companies House link here, as the directors information is interesting.

http://companycheck.co.uk/director/903822898/CAMILA--BATMANGHELIDJH/directors-secretaries

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Post by aquila on 22.08.15 10:40

@ sallypelt

Interesting link Sally. It's a minefield of limited liability companies within this 'charitable' CHILD INDUSTRY.

What is West End Court Ltd? What does it do? It has a lot of employees.

What is Keeping Kids Company? This is the company Ms B was company sec from 1998-2003 which shows on company status as 'Rating suspended - negative press event'. What does that mean?

It's probable that the UK Press looks in at this forum from time to time. I wonder if they'd like to take a look into the books Ms B wrote and see where the income from those books went - after all, it would be very un-philanthropic to keep the proceeds wouldn't it - especially if you've written it on 'company time' and relied upon being in a position of influence whilst banging a big drum for donations.

It's my opinion - and only my opinion - the fraud squad, not the lily-livered Charities Commission, should be appointed to take a good hard look at the labyrinth.

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Post by PeterMac on 22.08.15 11:02

IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE NO. 5390 OF 2015

RE: KEEPING KIDS COMPANY (IN LIQUIDATION)
On 20 August 2015 a winding up Order was made against Keeping Kids Company (Company Registered No: 03442083), trading as Kids Company (Registered Charity No: 1068298)
on the petition of the company presented on 12 August 2015.

So it seems have a Limited Company trading as a Charity.
Does anyone understand this ?
By which I mean, not have a theory - I mean genuinely understand it to explain it to people who don't. !

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Post by sallypelt on 22.08.15 11:12

@aquila wrote:@ sallypelt

Interesting link Sally. It's a minefield of limited liability companies within this 'charitable' CHILD INDUSTRY.

What is West End Court Ltd? What does it do? It has a lot of employees.

What is Keeping Kids Company? This is the company Ms B was company sec from 1998-2003 which shows on company status as 'Rating suspended - negative press event'. What does that mean?

It's probable that the UK Press looks in at this forum from time to time. I wonder if they'd like to take a look into the books Ms B wrote and see where the income from those books went - after all, it would be very un-philanthropic to keep the proceeds wouldn't it - especially if you've written it on 'company time' and relied upon being in a position of influence whilst banging a big drum for donations.

It's my opinion - and only my opinion - the fraud squad, not the lily-livered Charities Commission, should be appointed to take a good hard look at the labyrinth.
Hi Aquila

Keeping Kids Company and Kids Company is one and the same. The name "Kids Company" doesn't seem to appear anywhere in Companies House. KKC in the name that is registered with Companies House. I haven't looked at the information about this company, in any depth, but from what I have observed about Camilla Batman, or whatever her name is,  her first directorship with a registered company, in this country at least, was with West End Court Ltd. She resigned from this coempany in 2003. She was also the secretary of West End Court Ltd, and it appears that she resigned as secretary in the same year.  

There appears to be a problem with the information loading on the Companies House website. This could be the fault of my connection, or a fault on the website, but from the limited information I am able to see, it looks as if Mrs Batman hasn't been a director since 2003.

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Post by sallypelt on 22.08.15 11:19

@PeterMac wrote:
IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE NO. 5390 OF 2015

RE: KEEPING KIDS COMPANY (IN LIQUIDATION)
On 20 August 2015 a winding up Order was made against Keeping Kids Company (Company Registered No: 03442083), trading as Kids Company (Registered Charity No: 1068298)
on the petition of the company presented on 12 August 2015.

So it seems have a Limited Company trading as a Charity.
Does anyone understand this ?
By which I mean, not have a theory - I mean genuinely understand it to explain it to people who don't. !

Yes. It's quite normal to be a limited company and trade as a charity. However, when registered with the Charity Commission, there a heavy restrictions on the way you run that company. Any company that runs as a charity and is financed by public funds, has to be registered with the Charity Commission if they are to have public donations.  Some people set up a not for profit company, from their own finances (as I did), but it was never registered with the CC, so we never had any donations, but relied on our own hard work to make it pay.

Hope this goes some way to explain about charity organisations



As it is difficult to type on this forum, for some unknown reason, I will copy and paste some information, regarding charities resistered as limited companies:

Introduction

It is possible to be both a charity and a limited company, and either or none. There is a whole range of issues which should be considered before you decide what is right for your organisation. It often comes down to the trade off between initial cost and ongoing bureaucracy versus lack of status (with potential donors and suppliers) and open-ended liability.
NOTE: Reform to charity law is in process. A new legal form, the Charitable Incorporated Organisation (CIO), avoiding the need to have 'dual' registration, is in the Charities Act 2006 but the legal model will now probably be available in 2010. Scottish law also changed, and is close to that in England and Wales, from April 2006 - CIO likely available there in 2010. Northern Ireland has different legislation too, but again similar to the rest of the UK with new law approved September 2008.
Many of the registration thresholds and costs given below are in need of revision, summer 2007.

Charity Registration

There are a number of advantages to registering as a charity. The main ones are

  • The ability to claim back tax paid by the donor, using such schemes as Gift Aid or payroll giving (GAYE). The value of such schemes will vary with income tax rates. See Tax Reclaim page for more info and contacts.
  • A lot of Charitable Foundations will only give to registered charities.
  • It gives you increased credibility when asking for donations from the public.
  • Automatic entitlement to rates relief (varies between the UK countries).

However, paying tax as an organisation is not so closely connected with registration (unless you are based in Scotland). If you have a constitution which clearly demonstrates the non-profit making nature of your activity, the Inland Revenue will (with a bit of persuasion) normally treat any surplus (='profit') as not chargeable for Corporation Tax or any other. Bank interest gained and any trading not directly related to your normal activity will usually be exceptions.
The downside of registration is the bureaucracy involved. You need to send regular (usually annual) information to the Charity Commission and conform to particular requirements. Many of these are good practice, and your auditor may want you to follow them anyway. Normally you have to hold Annual General Meetings - see Trustee/Member Issues. The Charity Commission does have very heavy powers if they think you are abusing charitable status.
Not all voluntary organisations can be charities - those which are mainly about campaigning for instance. The Commission has been holding a series of reviews of the Register, to look a different borderline or unclear areas, such as urban regeneration. On the other hand, organisations meeting the charitable nature test are obliged to register (but see next paragraph) if their turnover is over £1000 a year. This has not been heavily enforced so far.
Some charities are 'excepted' from registration, due to annual income of £1,000 or less (unless they have permanent endowment or the use or occupation of land), some religious and armed forces charities, but can register if they wish. There is also a category of exempt charity, which cannot register, and includes many state schools, universities, some industrial and provident societies, and a number of national museums.
Please be aware that every organisation has its own unique circumstances. You may not need to pay for professional advice on the subject, but do think carefully (and remember our site disclaimer).
More information is available through the Charity Commission web site. Phone 0845 300 0218 (this is a central switchboard for all offices), textphone (Minicom) service on 0845 300 0219. There is also a Welsh Office. The website is relatively clear and holds details of registered charities which you can search in various ways, downloadable publications (including most of their important leaflets), roadshows or other advice events, and further contact details.

Scotland and Northern Ireland

The law differs here.
In Scotland, the Office of the Scottish Regulator (OSCR) was fully established in 2006.
Northern Ireland Please check for updates as the new charity law (approved Sept 2008), including a charity register, comes into force - see Charity Commission for Northern Ireland, or NICVA governance pages. Currently charities should contact HM Revenue and Customs, FICO, St John's House, Merton Road, Bootle, Merseyside, L69 9BB. The compilation of a charity register by CCNI is imminent, autumn 2013.

Company Registration (limited liability status)

Reasons

There are a variety of reasons for getting limited liability via registering as a company. It limits the liability of company directors, which usually equates to those on the management committee (who will also be the charity trustees if it is a charity). They are still liable for negligent conduct - lawyers will find some other exceptions but that is the main one. Employing staff, taking up a lease or owning property are common prompts to get limited liability.
There is a general lack of knowledge that there are two ways of becoming a registered company - the 'normal' commercial approach of being 'limited by shares', and the general model used by voluntary organisations 'limited by guarantee', where members guarantee to meet the debts of the company if necessary, but only up to a limit which is almost always £1. Both will require the company to make annual returns, keep various registers and proper accounts which will usually need to be audited professionally. See Accountants or Finance Topic Review for sources of info. and services.
It is also possible to get limited liability by registering as an Industrial and Provident Society (IPS), which is a fairly normal approach for co-operatives, mutual societies or those businesses conducted for the benefit of the community. Greater protection of original rules (e.g. guarding co-op or community status) and the ability to advertise and issue loan stock to the public are quoted as advantages of IPS. Where the objectives are wholly charitable (e.g. set up for community benefit), the IPS will be an 'exempt' charity not required (or allowed) to register with the Charity Commission, although if you arent using accepted model rules (see below) it may be worthwhile getting approval from Inland Revenue before adoption. Many of the largest housing associations are IPS, as are the retail co-op societies. Try Co-operative UK mentioned below. Registration is now via Financial Services Authority (took over from Registry of Friendly Societies and Assistant Registrar for Scotland, Dec 01), 25 The North Colonnade, Canary Wharf, London, E14 5HS, phone 020 7676 9442/9756/5474 (separate office in Scotland?).
Companies House is where all the paperwork gets processed (except for IPS), but it is often easiest to do it via a solicitor, or use one of the specialist services around. Otherwise it can be tricky to make sure that the constitution meets legal requirements (especially if you also want to register as a charity) and gives you the scope to do what is necessary. Their web site is a good place to check out if somebody has already taken 'your' name, order a starter pack or essential forms.
Limited Liability Partnerships (introduced 2000 basically to provide a form of corporate status for accountants, solicitors etc) might be appropriate for the odd social enterprise.


Here is the link to the full details, for those who are interested: http://volresource.org.uk/briefing/register.htm

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Post by sallypelt on 22.08.15 11:49

Despite CAMILA BATMANGHELIDJH resigning as a director from West End Court Ltd in 2003, she still has an interest, as she's still a shareholder in this company, at least up until 2013 when the last returns were submitted, as can be seen from the link below:


 http://companycheck.co.uk/company/02515435/WEST-END-COURT-LIMITED/group-structure#event-history

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