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They are NOT going to wind down Operation Grange, Portuguese and British police sources tell Daily Mirror [2 Sep 2015]

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Re: They are NOT going to wind down Operation Grange, Portuguese and British police sources tell Daily Mirror [2 Sep 2015]

Post by HelenMeg on 03.09.15 15:31

Something is going on, with all this sudden publicity - David's visit to Portugal, new letter of request,  another effort to try and close the case and make us aware how much money is being blown on it..
something is creating unrest in Team Mc Cann eek

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Post by Doug D on 03.09.15 15:44

Well, b...... me! And the date of the confirmation of the acceptance of the appeal is 2nd September.

So obviously completely coincidental to the release of these latest stories!

Any sign of this in the papers yet? 

No?

Gobsmacked (not).

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Re: They are NOT going to wind down Operation Grange, Portuguese and British police sources tell Daily Mirror [2 Sep 2015]

Post by PeterMac on 03.09.15 16:31

Mendacious Mitchell clearly still on the ball.

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Post by Sceptic on 03.09.15 16:46

A source close to the family said: “Kate and Gerry firmly believe Madeleine could still be alive and when the police investigation ends, they have vowed to continue looking for her.
 
"They don’t know when this will be, there has been so suggestion yet, but they want to be ready and have set aside huge chunks of money for this reason.”
Three-year-old Maddie was snatched during a family holiday in Portugal’s Praia da Luz in May 2007. She would now be aged 12.
As Maddie’s parents brace themselves for being told Operation Grange will end, the family source said: “Kate and Gerry know the investigation will come to an end at some point, especially with police budget cuts but they haven’t been advised when.”


So to summarize The Mccans are not expecting Operation Grange to find Madeleine or her abducter

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Re: They are NOT going to wind down Operation Grange, Portuguese and British police sources tell Daily Mirror [2 Sep 2015]

Post by sallypelt on 03.09.15 16:58

Why would you take out "huge chunks of money" from a fund that was set up to find Madeleine, only to put it into a separate account with the purpose of FINDING MADELEINE??? It doesn't make sense. Lots of questions need to be asked from the donating public; for example:

How much money has been put into a "separate account"?
What is different about this separate account from the main account?
Who are they going to pay the money to?

I think the British public have had enough of having the wool pulled over their eyes. It hasn't washed, and it NEVER will wash. Stop treating us like idiots!


Edited to add, why was Mitchell so confident that when OG comes to an end, that Madeleine still will not have been found?

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 03.09.15 17:04

@PeterMac wrote:Mendacious Mitchell clearly still on the ball.


If he keeps ageing at this rate he won't be on the ball for much longer.

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Post by Rogue-a-Tory on 03.09.15 17:22

@Sceptic wrote:A source close to the family said: “Kate and Gerry firmly believe Madeleine could still be alive and when the police investigation ends, they have vowed to continue looking for her.
 
"They don’t know when this will be, there has been so suggestion yet, but they want to be ready and have set aside huge chunks of money for this reason.”
Three-year-old Maddie was snatched during a family holiday in Portugal’s Praia da Luz in May 2007. She would now be aged 12.
As Maddie’s parents brace themselves for being told Operation Grange will end, the family source said: “Kate and Gerry know the investigation will come to an end at some point, especially with police budget cuts but they haven’t been advised when.”


So to summarize The Mccans are not expecting Operation Grange to find Madeleine or her abducter
Having spent £11m OG says that Madeleine was most likely dead.  So how on earth does TM expect to find a live Madeleine with just a 10th of that money? Can it tell DCI Wall, who can release 27 of her 31 team back into the wild & then we can all relax in the knowledge that the crime will be solved? Mitchell & your bosses, you are truly dumb.

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Re: They are NOT going to wind down Operation Grange, Portuguese and British police sources tell Daily Mirror [2 Sep 2015]

Post by Get'emGonçalo on 03.09.15 17:35

Update from natasha.donn@algarveresident.com


UPDATE: As this story went up, a small announcement on the Projecto Justiça Gonçalo Amaral blogsite gives another clue to the sudden media razzmatazz. Could it have been to hide the announcement that Gonçalo Amaral's appeal against the record amount of damages awarded against him in the civil case taken out by the McCanns has finally been accepted by Lisbon's Appellate Court?

The low-key announcement simply thanks "everyone who has made a contribution".

As the news went out, the gofundme appeal - set up by a British single mother to raise money for Amaral's legal costs - has raised £38,205 (almost €52,500), with multiple people apparently contributing on a regular basis.

The latest contributor, Peter Mac, has just posted: "The mystery of the sudden flurry of stupid "Grange is / is not going to be wound down" stories in the tabloids is exposed. News about the Appeal going ahead has been neatly kept out of any of the British press".

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Post by whodunit on 03.09.15 17:39

@Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
@Sceptic wrote:A source close to the family said: “Kate and Gerry firmly believe Madeleine could still be alive and when the police investigation ends, they have vowed to continue looking for her.
 
"They don’t know when this will be, there has been so suggestion yet, but they want to be ready and have set aside huge chunks of money for this reason.”
Three-year-old Maddie was snatched during a family holiday in Portugal’s Praia da Luz in May 2007. She would now be aged 12.
As Maddie’s parents brace themselves for being told Operation Grange will end, the family source said: “Kate and Gerry know the investigation will come to an end at some point, especially with police budget cuts but they haven’t been advised when.”


So to summarize The Mccans are not expecting Operation Grange to find Madeleine or her abducter
Having spent £11m OG says that Madeleine was most likely dead.  So how on earth does TM expect to find a live Madeleine with just a 10th of that money? Can it tell DCI Wall, who can release 27 of her 31 team back into the wild & then we can all relax in the knowledge that the crime will be solved? Mitchell & your bosses, you are truly dumb.

Truly TM's investigators must be a world class, cracker jack team if they can accomplish what the MP couldn't using 1/10 the resources.

Just who do they think they are kidding? And I wonder just exactly who keeps feeding this 'fund'? Is there any way to find out the names of the donors?

EDIT: Ahh! Great news about the appeal! Get 'em Goncalo!

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Post by PeterMac on 03.09.15 17:48

@sallypelt wrote:
Edited to add, why was Mitchell so confident that when OG comes to an end, that Madeleine still will not have been found?

for the same reason that one of them said, 8 years ago, that the Fund was going to be used to continue the search after the Police had stopped . . .
They all knew knew that she would never be found, alive or dead.

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Re: They are NOT going to wind down Operation Grange, Portuguese and British police sources tell Daily Mirror [2 Sep 2015]

Post by ROSA on 03.09.15 17:49

why is madeleine such a special child - special case ? the most special child-case  in brittish history if not world history try solving that puzzle first ....

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Post by BlueBag on 03.09.15 18:17

@ROSA wrote:why is madeleine such a special child - special case ? the most special child-case  in brittish history if not world history try solving that puzzle first ....

Well it must be close.. she's up there with the Lindbergh baby.

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Post by whodunit on 03.09.15 18:28

@BlueBag wrote:
@ROSA wrote:why is madeleine such a special child - special case ? the most special child-case  in brittish history if not world history try solving that puzzle first ....

Well it must be close.. she's up there with the Lindbergh baby.

Strangely enough that case was also a kidnapping hoax for which an innocent man was sacrificed .. Two cops wrote a book about their investigation  into the case and make a persuasive case that Lindbergh was pulling one of his cruel pranks [there are many of them documented in the book, including the time he terrorized the household by hiding little Charles in a closet and claiming he'd been kidnapped] when he accidentally killed the child and hid his body in the woods. When criminal elements inevitably crawled out of the woodwork and latched on to the ransom demand, Lindbergh eagerly went along with it. NJ police pretty much allowed him, the Big National Hero, to run their investigation. --EDIT: co-author Gregory Ahlgren is a defense attorney not a cop--- Charles Lindbergh, Mason, Eugenicist, social misfit and sadistic prankster, emerges as the most likely suspect. 


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Post by sammyc on 03.09.15 21:45

@sallypelt wrote:Why would you take out "huge chunks of money" from a fund that was set up to find Madeleine, only to put it into a separate account with the purpose of FINDING MADELEINE??? It doesn't make sense. Lots of questions need to be asked from the donating public; for example:

How much money has been put into a "separate account"?
What is different about this separate account from the main account?
Who are they going to pay the money to?

I think the British public have had enough of having the wool pulled over their eyes. It hasn't washed, and it NEVER will wash. Stop treating us like idiots!


Edited to add, why was Mitchell so confident that when OG comes to an end, that Madeleine still will not have been found?
Thanks sallypelt, that's exactly what I thought when I read the article and why I posted it.

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Post by sharonl on 03.09.15 21:54

From a Portuguese newspaper - apologies for the translation

Former London police commander: "Stop the search for Madeleine McCann"



Look for the small disappeared in 2007 has cost more than 10 million pounds. And for a former head of Scotland Yard is time to say enough



Alberto Bellotto - Wed, 09/02/2015 - 20:05



"We can not continue to chase the shadows" with these words, John O'Connor, former head of the Flying Squad of London's Metropolitan Police Service interviewed by the Sun newspaper, has formally asked Scotland Yard to stop the investigations of little Madeleine McCann .


The child of four years has disappeared in May 2007 while on vacation with his family in Praia da Luz in Portugal. Since then investigations have taken place without arriving at a solution, however, no arrests or suspects.

At first the Portuguese authorities had sent surveys to parents but in the end the lack of evidence forced investigators to abandon the track. Since then the British authorities have done everything to try the little Madeleine: from the active involvement of Interpol, to the creation of a specific task force in charge of Operation Grange. But no significant result was reached. "If there are runs hot, and hot with mean suspicions by stalk, then you have to start thinking about to let it go," O'Connor continued. For the former head of the cabinet is a simple speech priority: "There are recent cases that could be carried out with the same resources."

The search for small McCann, in fact, costs a lot. The first year of the operation Grange has cost two million pounds, but that figure is still rising. 4.8 million in 2013, 7.4 in 2014 up to 12.2 expected by April 2016. Only in 2014 were spent 16,000 pounds for 67 round-trip flights to Portugal. The bulk of expenditure goes to the staff salaries of local employees and agents on earth Lusitanian. At the moment there are more than 30 agents looking for Madeleine, who would now 12 years old.

Obviously the parents of Madeleine are pleased Operation Grange, but from different parts of the country come dissenting voices, like that of John O'Connor. Currently in the UK there are 155 missing children, and according to a study for their research are spent only 2,400 pounds.

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Re: They are NOT going to wind down Operation Grange, Portuguese and British police sources tell Daily Mirror [2 Sep 2015]

Post by Verdi on 03.09.15 22:54

Looking for the report about Kate McCann pledging £1million to finance the continuing search when Operation Grange is finished, I came across this reminder from May 2015, less than 4 months ago..

Madeleine McCann: Top officer pledges that hunt for missing girl will continue apace

The search for Madeleine McCann is “moving on a pace” and will not end until all avenues are exhausted, Britain’s top police officer said today.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, reacted angrily to concerns raised by the Police Federation about the millions of pounds of public money devoted to the case.

He said: “It’s not for them to decide which investigation we carry out, it’s my decision. This investigation is funded by the government and the only thing that will decide whether or not it continues are the chances of success in finding that girl.

"It’s really for me and not a [Police] Federation issue.”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-top-officer-pledges-5699591

Maybe Hogan-Howe should put forward a convincing argument as to why an investigation into the case of Madeleine McCann is to continue indefinitely when other more important policing is under strain.  So Operation Grange is being financed by the government (someone should explain to him it's all public money) but that doesn't account for manpower, I assume existing staff have been seconded to work full time.  Hogan-Howe has got some explaining to do!

Couldn't find the actual article I was looking for but this is from January 2013 which says much the same thing, although not directly relative to closure of Operation Grange..

Kate McCann's book detailing hunt for missing daughter Madeleine raises £1million for search fund.

Published: 11:52 GMT, 19 January 2013 | Updated: 13:12 GMT, 19 January 2013

Madeleine McCann's mother has ploughed £1million from book sales back into the search for her missing daughter..


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2264928/Kate-McCanns-book-detailing-hunt-missing-daughter-Madeleine-raises-1million-search-fund.html

These guys only ever seem to talk in millions - I should be so lucky sad !

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Post by ROSA on 04.09.15 0:30

how much  has the groups pact of silence cost them it looks like its cost them a fortune seeing that the group has aged so much and who is keeping the pact alive certainly the mccanns and the tapas friends but who else how many people are involved in that pact of silence so they all jemmied ther mouths shut window just like shutters mouths can open

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Post by worriedmum on 04.09.15 10:25

This is what jumps out to me from Verdi's quote above

''Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, reacted angrily to concerns raised by the Police Federation about the millions of pounds of public money devoted to the case.

He said: “It’s not for them to decide which investigation we carry out, it’s my decision. This investigation is funded by the government and the only thing that will decide whether or not it continues are the chances of success in finding that girl.''







I hope the police are exploring every avenue, in that case...

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Post by BlueBag on 04.09.15 10:58

I wonder how he has estimated the chances of success of finding Madeleine.

Sounds like crap to me.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 04.09.15 11:31

You all know my 'views' on 'wooden topped' cops.

What i don't get is why do the Mcs 'think' they can totally brazenly 'mug off' the UK taxpayer funded OG 'at a whim'.

If the Madeleine 'fund' 'IS' fraudulent ('set up' AFTER people 'knew' what HAD happened to Madeleine) and they are now 'siphoning off' (however much of 'donated', by the public and handicapped kiddies, money) to their 'own' special 'fund' what are Grange going to do 'about that'?

Do the McS 'think' they are SO 'above' the law they can 'act' with impunity?

Are OG 'personnel' so 'thick/wooden headed' that they cannot 'see', possibly, what is happening before their eyes?

The last time i 'looked' money 'laundering' WAS still a 'crime'.

My 'feeling' is that if the McS, and their 'friends', tipped up at Belgravia, en masse, and 'said' 'it's a fair cop, guv, we dunnit' OG would send them out, with a flea in their ear, and say 'don't be ridiculous, you are all innocent of everything, as our ex IO DCI Redwood said, go home and let us do our job, and find the burglator that killed Madeleine, IN your apartment G5A, OC, PDL'

WHY are OG 'allowing' themselves to, apparently, be totally mugged off, SOOOOO PUBLICLY, by, imo, 'chancers'?

Maybe, the 'special' fund, will 'hire' a particular ex DCI............ as a PI. (payback?) winkwink

I DON'T 'GET' IT!

jta: A LOT of serving MPS 'officers' ALSO don't 'get' it!




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Post by Joss on 04.09.15 12:15

What i don't get is Why all this preference in the MBM case? What about all the other missing child cases in the U.K. and Maddie didn't even go missing from the U.K. Why are the McC's getting such preferential treatment with Maddie and all the money the U.K Govt. has thrown into this case? The U.K public should be furious about that IMO. No missing child case to my knowledge is ever closed until there has been a resolution to it, but after 8 yrs. it should be classified as a cold case until new information comes about if that will ever happen, and if they are placing this much importance on Madeleine's case then they need to do the same for all the other cases as well, or people need to start protesting about where all their tax dollars go in this wild goose chase that is this case, and start placing more funding on other missing children.
What pompous a**es these people come across as being that are keeping up this charade. What's so damn important with this case compared to any other, there is no difference, a missing child is still a missing child. And anyway shouldn't this be Portugal's investigation and not the U.K.? Its crazy to say the least when many people believe the McC's know exactly what happened to their child, so in that respect they are not parents of a missing child. Why are they not being investigated, what's the reason? When most of the evidence points to their involvement.

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Post by ROSA on 04.09.15 12:35

@Joss wrote:What i don't get is Why all this preference in the MBM case? What about all the other missing child cases in the U.K. and Maddie didn't even go missing from the U.K. Why are the McC's getting such preferential treatment with Maddie and all the money the U.K Govt. has thrown into this case? The U.K public should be furious about that IMO. No missing child case to my knowledge is ever closed until there has been a resolution to it, but after 8 yrs. it should be classified as a cold case until new information comes about if that will ever happen, and if they are placing this much importance on Madeleine's case then they need to do the same for all the other cases as well, or people need to start protesting about where all their tax dollars go in this wild goose chase that is this case, and start placing more funding on other missing children.
What pompous a**es these people come across as being that are keeping up this charade. What's so damn important with this case compared to any other, there is no difference, a missing child is still a missing child. And anyway shouldn't this be Portugal's investigation and not the U.K.? Its crazy to say the least when many people believe the McC's know exactly what happened to their child, so in that respect they are not parents of a missing child. Why are they not being investigated, what's the reason? When most of the evidence points to their involvement.

You are asking the right questions any normal person would ask but the mccanns seem to have super human power again I have to always wonder why  ?

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Post by Verdi on 04.09.15 12:50

@BlueBag wrote:I wonder how he has estimated the chances of success of finding Madeleine.

Sounds like crap to me.
If it sounds like crap, looks like crap and smells like crap then chances are it is crap!

I suggest it's most inappropriate for someone in his position to be making speculative observations on a live police investigation.  This report does not actually quote him but it does say..

Britain's most senior police officer has suggested his officers are closing in on the people who abducted Madeleine McCann.

Scotland Yard boss Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe admitted his officers have the names of suspects and that ‘some progress’ is being made in the inquiry.

Important to note the date this report was published - 18:59 GMT, 20 February 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564080/Britains-senior-police-officer-confirms-Met-names-three-suspects-Madeleine-McCann-case-closing-in.html

So 18 months ago we are still talking abductor but no known progress to date, despite a few more million down the pan?  This bloke is nothing short of a joker only I aint laughing!  He's a bit too vocal about this case for my liking - very unprofessional.

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