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Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by aiyoyo on 18.09.10 19:49

I doubt the mccanns will throw their tapas buddies under the bus......
.........simply because their buddies are the ones holding more dirt on them.

They should be lucky that their tapas friends didnt thrown them under the bus!
The mccanns wouldnt be pushing their luck that way with their friends........too risky imo.

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Rainbow on 18.09.10 20:30

@aiyoyo wrote:Nearly 15 years later the police are still investigating this case with no sign of abating.
More than half the american populations believe her parents were responsible if survey is to be believed.

It just goes to show that so long as the case remains unsolved her parents will never ever be exonerated in the public eyes, especially since circumstantial evidence is so against them, and dna found does not match any of the criminal records on police database. So did the phantom intruder exist?

This case bears plenty similarities to mccanns. One prominent one being the ramseys also refused to take polygraph. They'd connections and used expensive lawyers from the word 'GO'.

The freaky ransom demanding the exact amount of mr ramsey bonus money is akin to kate mccann's cadaverine infused pants of ganga.

Any similarity is when john ramsey arrived at the wine cellar, he claimed he knew it immediately she was in there and he'd found her. Spookily familiar to km who knew immediately they'd taken her because the shutter was lifted.

I feel her parents hands in the murder, with JR being the strongest suspect of the two, because of the sexual abuse aspect.









It hardly matters though does it what the public believe,it is what the law believes that counts.....I expect even if video existed showing a total stranger committing the crime some people would STILL think the Ramseys dun it!!


The Ramseys did take and pass a polygraph privately with a since discredited Ed Gleb.......make of that what you will!

Well John Ramsey was right...he HAD found her.

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Guest on 18.09.10 20:37

Very interesting video - listen carefully to the answer or not as the case may be. It seems they had another child die before and had set up a foundation for her too. Does anyone know anything about this first child?? A daughter Beth who died in 1992.





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Post by Rainbow on 18.09.10 20:59

Yes she was tragically killed with her fiance in a road accident,a van ploughed into their car and they were killed instantly-very sad I think she was only in her early twenties.

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by baconbutty on 18.09.10 21:06

That's right -- she was a daughter from John Ramsey's first marriage.

Here's an article about her sad death:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1997-02-21/news/9702210074_1_jonbenet-ramsey-ramsey-investigation-boulder-police

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Post by Guest on 18.09.10 21:11

@ rainbow and baconbutty - thanks thumbsup Had never heard she had a half sister. Interesting question about the foundation though.

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Post by Judge Mental on 18.09.10 21:37

Rainbow wrote .................. 'It hardly matters though does it what the public believe,it is what the law believes that counts.'

Really?

Then, one gathers from your statement above, that you are definitely not one of those selfless people whom we could count on to help during a campaign to release those who has been wrongfully convicted then, Rainbow?

Which means you are unlikely to have been on The Guildford Four's Christmas card list, Nor Barry George's.





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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Rainbow on 18.09.10 21:51

No probs candy,John Ramsey also had another daughter Melissa and son John from his first marriage,both they and his ex wife extolled his virtues as a father.

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Post by Judge Mental on 18.09.10 22:19

@Rainbow wrote:No probs candy,John Ramsey also had another daughter Melissa and son John from his first marriage,both they and his ex wife extolled his virtues as a father.

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One has never heard a family member of the McCanns find fault with Gerald and Kate McCann either. laughat

So there is yet another stonking similarity that the Ramsey case has with the McCann case. Virtuous parents in both the Ramsey and the MCann households.

One notes that the McCanns have gone a step further for their references of virtuosity. Indeed we have seen almost all of their family members and friends extolling the parental virtues of Kate and Gerald McCann Suspiciously, whilst applauding Kate and Gerald McCann for being wonderful parents, they totally discount and negate the fact that three children under of four years of age were left unsupervised. Allegedly.

Apart from Susan Healy saying she wanted to bang Kate and Gerald McCann's heads together for leaving the children alone, one is unable to recall any other critcism levelled at the parents by somebody who knows either of them.

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by aiyoyo on 19.09.10 8:56

Extract taken from a book
They started in the basement. Later, during the documentary Who Killed JonBenet?, made by Channel Four in London, John Ramsey describes what they found:

"As I was walking through the basement, I opened the door to a room and knew immediately that I'd found her because there was a white blanket — her eyes were closed, I feared the worse but yet — I'd found her."


He was with a friend during the house search, yet he ( not his friend)was the one who immediately upon opening the door to a room - ( standing from the door way ) knew straight away he'd found his daughter merely from having glimpsed a white blanket - he immediately jumped straight to conclusion it his daughter underneath the blanket, and from that distance he even knew her eyes were closed.


He instinctively knew it - he described it as if already had prior knowledge of what was awaiting him,
(as if) he was at the crime scene and had in fact placed her there himself? Strange, freaky, or prior knowledge? Prior knowledge I would say.

Why didnt the ramseys check the entire house before making the police report. Wouldnt that be the first thing anyone with a missing child would instinctively do before lodging a report. It would be interesting to know between him and the friend looking through the house, which of them had initiated going down into the basement.

Besides the technicality of the dna found in JBR garments of very miniscule amount, that the police discarded as of v little significant and this was made public 7 years later when case was reviewed; and which the law must recognise until the crime is solved. It seems circumstantial evidence so strongly indicate the ramseys were responsible for JBR death that the police did not bother looking for an intruder. Logics dictates it's impossible for an intruder to drag JBR from upstairs to basement, coming in from wet weather condition), did what he did without leaving a single trace of evidence of any kind#,and without apparent motive; even if one ignores the lack of forced entry.

The ransom note was a dead give away that the ramseys thought up the note to cover up their deed, to mislead and obfuscate. The law can be an arse as we all know, but a law is a law and all eventualities must be covered without leaving a lacuna for repercussions. But it's not alright right first time round, especially in a complicated case like this where the police blundered somewhat at the beginning and plenty evidence destroyed and chances missed.

Another eerily similarity of this case with that of the mccanns was that the police made a mistake by not sealing off the house immediately, allowing guests, visitors, nosey parkers, and all and sundry to throt in and out of the house thereby destroying crucial evidence.

JBR was found merely 8 hours after reported missing. No one kidnaps a child for ransom of 'exact ramseys bonus money' only to kill the child and left her corpse in the basement beforehand, then didnt ring back to follow up on the ransom. The note suspected written by one of the ramseys listed that amount with the deliberate intent to suggest intruder was known, in fact intimate or close with them to share that kind of knowledge, to throw the police off its track somewhat.
Misinformation, obfuscation, the more confusions the better game was planed and played out here, same as the mccanns.

This crime is also classed as 'the greatest mystery of JBR'......sounds familiar?

Are the parents despite one already gone exonerated in the public eyes? Never!

Staunch pro-mccanns thought it didnt matter what the public think, so long as the criminal is scott free.
Well they can keep their values to themselves.

















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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Guest on 19.09.10 9:52

[quote aiyoyo]

JBR was found merely 8 hours after reported missing. No one kidnaps a child for ransom of 'exact ramseys bonus money' only to kill the child and left her corpse in the basement beforehand, then didnt ring back to follow up on the ransom

This for me is the most crucial piece of evidence. Firstly the note was proved to have been written on the Ramseys own paper in their house. Noone would sit about writing such a long note for fear of being caught. Surely you would bring such a note with you if you were intending to kidnap for a ransom. Why leave a ransom note if the child was still in the house? Mr Ramsey also states the window was open, and there was a suitcase under the window, put there as a means for the kidnapper to be able to reach the window. Did the kidnapper bring his own suitcase then? If the suitcase belonged to the Ramseys how did he get in and take it, and then break in again?? Surely if he brought this with him there would have been some DNA on it. Was this thoroughly checked, does anyone know. I will try and find anything on this, but I heard Ramsey say this in a you tube interview.

He also says in a you tube interview I watched that he knew immediately that JonBenet was abducted, didn't bother to search the house, but called the police immediately. Surely you would search the house first, it was a very large rambling house, she could have been anywhere. Very strange indeed.



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Post by soulthief on 19.09.10 11:44

I once read that suspicion was on the brother at one point and that the Ramseys were covering his long term sexual abuse of her, which had led to him killing her..

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by aiyoyo on 19.09.10 12:10

I dont believe for a minute anyone can commit a crime such as the one done to jon bennet ramsey without the perpetrator leaving a shred evidence of any kind be it physical, circumstantial, or forensics, considering he'd used quite a few materials, came in from the snow, moved in different parts of the house,

You're the right the ransom note is a classical. Intruder took his own sweet time making up a literature of a ransom note, not to mention demanding a freaky sum, then didnt bother to follow up. If it was money he'd wanted, he would have made away with the little girl and stood better chances of collecting the money. Anyway, not following up proved the money was not the motive, then why bothered leaving the note?
Besides if he knew of Ramsey bonus situation, he must have known that they're filthy rich and can afford to pay more than that.

If he was sex pervert, he'd JBR in a v. secluded place away from prying eyes, why did he stop short of the complete act? Sex pervert is more often than not, not after money. And sex pevert would not hesitate to do what they came for before killing the victim to avoid detection.

In this case, none of the normal motive of a crime perpetrated against a child is carried through properly.

I count myself among the majorities of americans who feel her parents were lying.










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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by aiyoyo on 19.09.10 12:13

@soulthief wrote:I once read that suspicion was on the brother at one point and that the Ramseys were covering his long term sexual abuse of her, which had led to him killing her..

If this was done by the older son from John Ramsey earlier marriage, then that could explain the lack of sign of forced entry, the freaky amount ransom note, as well as plenty other things. I wonder whether children from JR first marriage were interrogated and eliminated. I also wonder whether the police had asked this ramsey's son to provide dna?


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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Rainbow on 19.09.10 15:35

candyfloss wrote:[quote aiyoyo]

JBR was found merely 8 hours after reported missing. No one kidnaps a child for ransom of 'exact ramseys bonus money' only to kill the child and left her corpse in the basement beforehand, then didnt ring back to follow up on the ransom

This for me is the most crucial piece of evidence. Firstly the note was proved to have been written on the Ramseys own paper in their house. Noone would sit about writing such a long note for fear of being caught. Surely you would bring such a note with you if you were intending to kidnap for a ransom. Why leave a ransom note if the child was still in the house? Mr Ramsey also states the window was open, and there was a suitcase under the window, put there as a means for the kidnapper to be able to reach the window. Did the kidnapper bring his own suitcase then? If the suitcase belonged to the Ramseys how did he get in and take it, and then break in again?? Surely if he brought this with him there would have been some DNA on it. Was this thoroughly checked, does anyone know. I will try and find anything on this, but I heard Ramsey say this in a you tube interview.

He also says in a you tube interview I watched that he knew immediately that JonBenet was abducted, didn't bother to search the house, but called the police immediately. Surely you would search the house first, it was a very large rambling house, she could have been anywhere. Very strange indeed.




The intruder supposedly came IN via the basement window and used a suitcase in the basement to exit ie the suitcase was INSIDE the basement.

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Rainbow on 19.09.10 15:38

@aiyoyo wrote:
@soulthief wrote:I once read that suspicion was on the brother at one point and that the Ramseys were covering his long term sexual abuse of her, which had led to him killing her..

If this was done by the older son from John Ramsey earlier marriage, then that could explain the lack of sign of forced entry, the freaky amount ransom note, as well as plenty other things. I wonder whether children from JR first marriage were interrogated and eliminated. I also wonder whether the police had asked this ramsey's son to provide dna?



The brother and sister and sisters fiance were travelling to meet up with the Ramseys so yes he was checked out via plane tickets etc.

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.09.10 16:18

Meaning what? They were staying with the ramseys on the fatal night?

My question was were they interrogated and eliminated by police?

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.09.10 16:51

@Rainbow wrote:
candyfloss wrote:[quote aiyoyo]

JBR was found merely 8 hours after reported missing. No one kidnaps a child for ransom of 'exact ramseys bonus money' only to kill the child and left her corpse in the basement beforehand, then didnt ring back to follow up on the ransom

This for me is the most crucial piece of evidence. Firstly the note was proved to have been written on the Ramseys own paper in their house. Noone would sit about writing such a long note for fear of being caught. Surely you would bring such a note with you if you were intending to kidnap for a ransom. Why leave a ransom note if the child was still in the house? Mr Ramsey also states the window was open, and there was a suitcase under the window, put there as a means for the kidnapper to be able to reach the window. Did the kidnapper bring his own suitcase then? If the suitcase belonged to the Ramseys how did he get in and take it, and then break in again?? Surely if he brought this with him there would have been some DNA on it. Was this thoroughly checked, does anyone know. I will try and find anything on this, but I heard Ramsey say this in a you tube interview.

He also says in a you tube interview I watched that he knew immediately that JonBenet was abducted, didn't bother to search the house, but called the police immediately. Surely you would search the house first, it was a very large rambling house, she could have been anywhere. Very strange indeed.




The intruder supposedly came IN via the basement window and used a suitcase in the basement to exit ie the suitcase was INSIDE the basement.

I suppose that is only an assumption.

Had the intruder used suitcase as a stepping stone out of the basement then surely there must have been some evidence left behind, like footprint or fabrics or any thing for that matter afterall basement is not a place visitors to house after the alarm were raised would access, therefore any evidence there would have remained intact and not contaminated like main house upstairs.

The no evidence of intruder existed at all would suggest there was no intruder, else it would mean the intruder must have levitated out of the window like an apparition without contact with any surfaces, which renders the suitcase theory absolutely useless.

It's reported JBR bedroom's is standing alone, a level below that of her parents, why then did the intruder need to drag a sleeping child without first sedating her to the basement? How did the dad know the intruder had used a white blanket, as he'd claimed he knew immediately she was underneath it upon opening the wine cellar door. Did she have a white blanket in her room, was it reported missing ? Or, had the intruder brought it along with him? Nothing adds up.

If the intruder had come purposely to violate her, that kind of person dont cover up a death because they cant feel affront by it. In fact the very deed itself (the violating and killing) satisfied a certain feelings in a sicko that they are incapable of decency like covering up.

Covering her up would suggest the person who did it was affected by her death, and couldnt stomach the reality or his deed, or couldnt stand having her facing him in that state, hence the use of white blanket to cover up. This act of covering with 'white blanket' seems more like mentality befitting blood related killing, meaning one of her family members had killed her either by accident from a game gone wrong, or deliberately to silent her from blabbing. How many killings by strangers are covered up in 'white' cloth or blanket in an attemtp to return some dignities to the dead person?



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Post by Rainbow on 19.09.10 17:41

@aiyoyo wrote:Meaning what? They were staying with the ramseys on the fatal night?

My question was were they interrogated and eliminated by police?


No they werent at the Ramseys,they were travelling to meet up with them and then all going on to Charlevoix in Johns plane,hence being alibi'd with tickets etc.

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Post by Judge Mental on 20.09.10 10:56

@ Rainbow

One is astounded at your breadth of knowledge on the Ramsey case, Rainbow. One is already very much more aware of how thoroughly decent the Ramsey parents are after reading only two or three of your posts.

Although stranger abduction is so very rare, the two prominent cases we are most often hearing about, seem to involve such saintly parents, do they not? Therefore one always puzzles over what is it about the Ramsey and McCann parents that makes the public at large and the investigators of their cases regard them with such terrible suspicion?

One is grateful that posters such as yourself can help one to see both sides of the case with equanimity, simply because having just had a brief look at some of the evidence people are posting here, one swears one could almost hear the cell doors banging shut on the Ramseys. Yet they are not in any trouble at all, are they? That must be because a) they have absolutely nothing to answer for.

Or b) That there is insufficient evidence to go ahead with a prosecution that would lead to a conviction.




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Post by soulthief on 20.09.10 12:54

@aiyoyo wrote:
@soulthief wrote:I once read that suspicion was on the brother at one point and that the Ramseys were covering his long term sexual abuse of her, which had led to him killing her..

If this was done by the older son from John Ramsey earlier marriage, then that could explain the lack of sign of forced entry, the freaky amount ransom note, as well as plenty other things. I wonder whether children from JR first marriage were interrogated and eliminated. I also wonder whether the police had asked this ramsey's son to provide dna?

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I believe that the police wanted to speak to the son but the Ramseys brought in a lawyer and refused a lie detector test on him, I am pretty sure I read it in the Enquirer and somewhere else, there is no way this was a stranger, they were too at home in that house and too familiar, the lengthy ransom note doesnt bode well, imagine someone sat in someone elses house writing that BEFORE they had taken JBR!!

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Post by soulthief on 20.09.10 12:56

@Rainbow wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@soulthief wrote:I once read that suspicion was on the brother at one point and that the Ramseys were covering his long term sexual abuse of her, which had led to him killing her..

If this was done by the older son from John Ramsey earlier marriage, then that could explain the lack of sign of forced entry, the freaky amount ransom note, as well as plenty other things. I wonder whether children from JR first marriage were interrogated and eliminated. I also wonder whether the police had asked this ramsey's son to provide dna?



The brother and sister and sisters fiance were travelling to meet up with the Ramseys so yes he was checked out via plane tickets etc.
I think we are talking about a different son, I am talking about the young one who lived with the Ramseys, I am scouring for the article.

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Post by aiyoyo on 20.09.10 13:16

@soulthief wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@soulthief wrote:I once read that suspicion was on the brother at one point and that the Ramseys were covering his long term sexual abuse of her, which had led to him killing her..

If this was done by the older son from John Ramsey earlier marriage, then that could explain the lack of sign of forced entry, the freaky amount ransom note, as well as plenty other things. I wonder whether children from JR first marriage were interrogated and eliminated. I also wonder whether the police had asked this ramsey's son to provide dna?

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I believe that the police wanted to speak to the son but the Ramseys brought in a lawyer and refused a lie detector test on him, I am pretty sure I read it in the Enquirer and somewhere else, there is no way this was a stranger, they were too at home in that house and too familiar, the lengthy ransom note doesnt bode well, imagine someone sat in someone elses house writing that BEFORE they had taken JBR!!

Exactly, too familiar with in the house. Usually ranson is a hastily scribbled thing and not a fancy literacy piece. Imagine using ramseys's stationery to write it as well ! No one knows whether that was written before or after killing JBR, but either way it's freaky and does not make sense. No way a stranger did that.




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Post by Rainbow on 21.09.10 19:52

@soulthief wrote:
@Rainbow wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@soulthief wrote:I once read that suspicion was on the brother at one point and that the Ramseys were covering his long term sexual abuse of her, which had led to him killing her..

If this was done by the older son from John Ramsey earlier marriage, then that could explain the lack of sign of forced entry, the freaky amount ransom note, as well as plenty other things. I wonder whether children from JR first marriage were interrogated and eliminated. I also wonder whether the police had asked this ramsey's son to provide dna?



The brother and sister and sisters fiance were travelling to meet up with the Ramseys so yes he was checked out via plane tickets etc.
I think we are talking about a different son, I am talking about the young one who lived with the Ramseys, I am scouring for the article.


Ah! Burke the young son WAS interviewed,although he did say that JonBenet walked into the house that night,Detective Steve Thomas who was so convinced Patsy Ramsey did it,thought that Burke was simply confused.I am not sure children under 12 would be administered a polygraph would they?

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Post by soulthief on 23.09.10 17:34

that I read it so maybe I am wrong about the lie detector and the police were blocked from speaking to him, could it be he sexually assaulted her badly because there was injury to the vagina and then the mother or father or both throttled her to cover the abuse?
I cant think why Patsy would have killed her otherwise because the mothers who enter their kids in to these pagents are full on pushy parents who live through their little beauty queens, but to protect another child or risk losing both????

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