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Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

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Who killed JonBenet Ramsey?

Post by Newt Fink-Nottle on 10.07.14 21:08

My opinion:

There was no evidence of a break in or attempted abduction. Someone at the house committed the murder.

There was a ransom letter which was written with pen an paper from the house. Why would someone leave a ransom letter AND a body? it makes no sense to me. I think the letter was written to give the killer time to get the body out of the house before the other members of the family could react. We would have a missing child case.

Patsy called the police immediately upon finding the letter. This act makes me think that Patsy had nothing to do with JonBenet's death. Why would she write the letter AND call the police? Even if she knew what had happened, why call the police?

If their son had done something that killed JonBenet, why not admit the truth immediately? He was 9 at the time. Also, wouldn't Patsy have known their son did it? So, again, why would she call the police before they had a chance to move the body?

I think it's a straight forward case of a child being murdered by a parent. Unfortunately, the parents were given special handling and the investigation was botched...sound familiar?

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Hobs on 11.07.14 1:03

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/patsy-ramsey-interview-analyzed.html

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/patsy-ramsey-police-interview-part-one.html

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-ramsey-interview-on-cnn.html

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/det-steve-thomas-and-ramseys.html

There are also lots of information on cases that are currently active such as the Cooper Harris dying in a hot car, still missing people as well as older cold cases such as Hailey Dunn, David Hartley and many others as well as educational topics and tutorials

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by tigger on 11.07.14 6:18

@Newt Fink-Nottle wrote:My opinion:

There was no evidence of a break in or attempted abduction. Someone at the house committed the murder.

There was a ransom letter which was written with pen an paper from the house. Why would someone leave a ransom letter AND a body? it makes no sense to me. I think the letter was written to give the killer time to get the body out of the house before the other members of the family could react. We would have a missing child case.

Patsy called the police immediately upon finding the letter. This act makes me think that Patsy had nothing to do with JonBenet's death. Why would she write the letter AND call the police? Even if she knew what had happened, why call the police?

If their son had done something that killed JonBenet, why not admit the truth immediately? He was 9 at the time. Also, wouldn't Patsy have known their son did it? So, again, why would she call the police before they had a chance to move the body?

I think it's a straight forward case of a child being murdered by a parent. Unfortunately, the parents were given special handling and the investigation was botched...sound familiar?

Welcome Spink-Bottle! (Aunt Dahlia's version) .  laughat 

I can see Patsy calling the police, having prepared the scene as it were. Even though it makes no sense to most people.
At the time of calling the police it was officially a matter of a missing girl and a ransom note.
How they thought to explain  the body is beyond me. Perhaps they did not think the house would be searched, something went wrong and the body had to be left in the house when the plan was to move it.
Wasn't it the case that it snowed?  Might that have been a problem?

They exploited the poor little girl and  she'd been abused as well, in short they treated her as a piece of property rather than a child.

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Guest on 11.07.14 9:44

Lovely name Newt Fink-Nottle!  welcome 

As regards the note, it wasn't proved conclusively that Patsy wrote it but the writing did resemble hers.

To me, there's no doubt that she and her husband were involved but there are baffling elements to the case such as already mentioned why the body was not removed from the house.

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Professor Marvel on 11.07.14 13:37

Hi !

About Patsys 911 call,

The reason I think Patsy called when she did was they had to be at the airport at a certain time.
They were due to meet up with John's older kids then fly on to the other home, which had all been pre-decorated ready for a second 'Christmas' with all the kids together.

They had the plane & pilot waiting so they HAD to have been up & about.
Everyone knew of their plans so they couldn't have suddenly changed them without suspicion.
I think even calling when she did they were cutting it very close.

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Professor Marvel on 11.07.14 14:56

@Woofer wrote:Thank you Professor Marvel.

Yes, the last time I took an interest was when that Lacy woman forgave the Ramseys (which I see now she should not have done.

*I always thought it was the brother.*

I`ll try and keep up this time.
JonBenet Ramsey Case: James Kolar, Former Leading Investigator Rejects Intruder Theory In New Book

(this was from 2012)

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1687905


The former detective had access to 60,000 pages of evidence, including crime-scene video and photos, interviews with individuals related to the case and forensic reports.

Among the contradicting evidence Kolar points out in his book are fully intact cobwebs stretching over the window the intruder allegedly entered, more DNA evidence found at the crime scene including DNA on the garrote cord used to strangle the young girl.

In his book, *Kolar also writes about a child's toy that was found that may have been responsible for some of the abrasions on JonBenet's body, rather than a stun gun* which had been considered a possible source of the injuries to her back,

"By the time I parted company with the D.A.'s office, I was convinced that there was no significant possibility that an intruder had been involved in the death of JonBenet," Kolar writes in his book.


*Loads of previously unknown info. in Kolars book which gives new insight into what was going on in that household.


I must point out that Kolar doesn't actually state WHO killed Jonbenet !

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Doug D on 26.02.15 8:41

No one will ever be convicted of Jon Benet Ramsey's murder, says lead detective as he admits cops made a string of 'big mistakes'
 
•   Mark Beckner, the former chief of the Boulder Police Department, took part in an 'Ask Me Anything' session on Reddit on Saturday
•   He has since said he didn't know he was speaking on a public forum but had tried to be honest; the current police chief has not taken issue with it
•   Beckner, 59, joined the Ramsey case nine months after she was found killed in her parents' basement alongside a ransom note in 1996
•   He said the case was mishandled because of a lack of staff over Christmas; he added that the parents should have been interviewed immediately
•   He also described the peculiarities of the case, such as how the murder was staged as a kidnapping, and how the DA made their job even harder
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By LYDIA WARREN FOR DAILYMAIL.COM and ASSOCIATED PRESS
PUBLISHED: 22:21, 25 February 2015 | UPDATED: 02:06, 26 February 2015
 
The former Colorado police chief who led the investigation into the murder of six-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey has admitted that officers botched the initial handling of the crime scene.
Mark Beckner, former chief of the Boulder Police Department, gave his most extensive comments on the case to date in an 'Ask Me Anything' session on Reddit on Saturday. But he has since said that he had no idea he was speaking on a public forum, and that he regretted his 'naivete'.
'I talked to the organizer, and my impression was that this was a members-only type group that talked about unsolved mysteries all around the world,' Beckner, 59, told the Daily Camera.
Ramsey was found dead in the basement of her family's home on December 26, 1996, hours after her mother, Patsy Ramsey, called 911 to say her daughter was missing and a ransom note demanding $118,000 had been found.
 
Although no one has ever been charged, suspicion has long fallen on her parents, Patsy and John, but there was not enough evidence to bring charges against them and they were ultimately cleared.
 
On the Reddit forum, Beckner, who joined the investigation nine months after JonBenet's death, said on the day JonBenet's body was found, police should have separated the couple to get full statements from them.
The case was initially mishandled due to a 'perfect storm type scenario', he wrote.
'It was the Christmas holiday and we were short staffed, we faced a situation as I said earlier that no one in the country had ever seen before or since, and there was confusion at the scene as people were arriving before we had enough personnel on the scene,' he wrote online. 
'I wish we would have done a much better job of securing and controlling the crime scene on day one. We also should have separated John and Patsy and gotten full statements from them that day. 
'Letting them go was a big mistake, as they soon lawyered up and we did not get to formally interview them again until May of 1997, five months after their daughter was murdered.' 
 
No one has ever been prosecuted in the case, and Ramsey said he doubt anyone ever would be. 
'[I] do not believe anyone will ever be convicted in the Ramsey case,' he told Reddit users.
Court documents released in 2013 showed that a grand jury recommended indictments against the Ramseys, contrary to the long-held perception that the secret panel ended their work in 1999 without deciding to charge anyone. 
The documents revealed that the parents had been indicted for felony child abuse resulting in death and accessory to the crimes of first-degree murder and child abuse resulting in death - but that then-District Attorney Alex Hunter had refused to sign the indictments.
At the time, Hunter didn't mention an indictment, saying only that there wasn't enough evidence to warrant charges against the Ramseys, who had long maintained their innocence. 
On the forum, Beckner touched upon the trouble his department had experienced with the Boulder District Attorney's office under Hunter.
'DA involvement in this case was inappropriate,' he said. 'They interfered in the investigation by being roadblocks to getting things done.'
Patsy passed away from cancer in 2006, and two years later, former District Attorney Mary Lacy cleared the Ramseys of any role in their daughter's death, based on DNA evidence that pointed to the involvement of a third party.
Beckner would not say who he believed might be responsible for the killing - 'there are several viable theories' - but he did say that investigators did not believe there was a 'legitimate point of entry' for an intruder to get into the house that night.
He said that the girl was hit hard across the head and then, after it was clear that she had not died, she was strangled between 45 minutes and two hours later, based on her brain swelling.
'The rest of the scene we believe was staged, including the vaginal trauma, to make it look like a kidnapping/assault gone bad,' he said. 
 
He added that they came across evidence that would indicate the girl had suffered prior sexual abuse.
After an apparent sexual abuse the night of the murder, the killer then dressed her - which caused one Redditor to note: 'I guess there wasn't a time problem for the killer'.
Beckner added: 'The killer also took the time to find a pad and sharpie pen, write a 2.5 page ransom note, fashion a garrote and choke her with it, then wrap her in a blanket with one of her favorite nightgowns and place her in a storage room in the basement. He/she/they then neatly put the pad and pen away and escaped without leaving much evidence.' 
He added that the FBI told the police they had never known of a 2.5-page note and had never had a case where the body was found in the same place as the ransom note.
When police turned up at the home, they found Mrs Ramsey's tone with them 'very strange'.
'The officers also noticed the how distant John and Patsy seemed to be toward each other,' he said.
Beckner, who was named police chief of Boulder in 1998 before retiring in April last year, is now teaching several law enforcement classes online through Norwich University in Vermont, and said he would consider writing an autobiography about his career. 
 
Despite his misgivings about speaking out on Reddit, he said he believed he had spoken honestly and fairly to readers, the Daily Camera reported.
'I think the only thing I would emphasize is that the unknown DNA (from JonBenet's clothing) is very important,' he told the newspaper. 'And I'm not involved any more, but that has got to be the focus of the investigation. In my opinion, at this point, that's your suspect.'
Current Boulder police Chief Greg Testa told the Daily Camera that he did not know Beckner was going to discuss the case online.
'I learned about it by seeing it posted online,' Testa said. 'I didn't read it line for line, but Mark understands the nature of that investigation, and certainly wouldn't do anything to compromise it.'
He added that the investigation remains open and whenever they receive new tips in the case, they are investigated.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2969242/Detective-Jon-Benet-Ramsay-s-murder-completes-Reddit-AMA.html

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by bristow on 07.03.16 16:12

Not sure if this has been posted before but it is very interesting.


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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by April28th on 15.03.16 14:20

This came up last year:



This came up last year. It says she was alive for at least 45 minutes after being struck in the head, then strangled. Time enough for whoever did it to run upstairs and decide what to do. The former Chief also believes that evidence of sexual assault was 'staged'.

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Re: Who killed JonBenet Ramsay?

Post by Hobs on 15.04.16 12:09

The private investigator is probably working to a specific remit as in, you can look at everyone and everything except us as parents and buerk.
You can only investigate this as homicide by stranger.

He will also have signed a gagging clause so that anything he found that pointed to a family member committing the crime cannot be made public in any way shape or form.

He certainly isn't going to be hired by john ramsey to then point the accusing finger at the parents.
He isn't going to say "My client is the one who killed her/ knows who killed her"

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