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Post by Guest on 29.08.15 15:36

@Verdi wrote:
@Get'emGonçalo wrote:
@snook wrote:Apologies,  I didn't re read and assumed cancer when I read stage 4. 
I don't have unswerving faith in the medical profession,  many of the drugs and treatments it pushes however I don't think it's right to read a few Google articles and think we can outsmart a professional who has reached consultant level. As for using the word telescope.  When an endoscope is a type of telescope.  Perhaps he uses it as some patients may not understand the technical words. Surely if he was such a goddam awful quack he'd have been out on his ear for all the death and disease he was wreaking?
I think Hobs is absolutely right to question him and do her own research.

As I said a few pages back a Sir Professor Peter Bell at Leicester Royal Infirmary diagnosed my husband with an inoperable aneursym and sent him home to die (to save money for the LRI) with less than 2 years to live and told me "not to allow him to get stressed". How do you stop a dying man from being stressed knowing his aneurysm could burst at any time?

I researched the whole world (almost having to sell our house to have the operation done in Chicago) and it took 18 months of those two years to fight the NHS to get him an operation here in Birmingham at the QE, the operation was successful (so not inoperable after all then Sir Professor?).

A consultant with a knighthood can get it dangerously wrong too.

http://nhsdeathrow.blogspot.co.uk/
Jill, I'm so sorry - words fail me.  I'm not an over emotional person but times like this bring you crashing back down to earth and  put a whole new perspective on what's important in life.

My heart goes out to you and yours.

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Post by lj on 29.08.15 17:57

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:
@snook wrote:Apologies,  I didn't re read and assumed cancer when I read stage 4. 
I don't have unswerving faith in the medical profession,  many of the drugs and treatments it pushes however I don't think it's right to read a few Google articles and think we can outsmart a professional who has reached consultant level. As for using the word telescope.  When an endoscope is a type of telescope.  Perhaps he uses it as some patients may not understand the technical words. Surely if he was such a goddam awful quack he'd have been out on his ear for all the death and disease he was wreaking?
I think Hobs is absolutely right to question him and do her own research.

As I said a few pages back a Sir Professor Peter Bell at Leicester Royal Infirmary diagnosed my husband with an inoperable aneursym and sent him home to die (to save money for the LRI) with less than 2 years to live and told me "not to allow him to get stressed". How do you stop a dying man from being stressed knowing his aneurysm could burst at any time?

I researched the whole world (almost having to sell our house to have the operation done in Chicago) and it took 18 months of those two years to fight the NHS to get him an operation here in Birmingham at the QE, the operation was successful (so not inoperable after all then Sir Professor?).

A consultant with a knighthood can get it dangerously wrong too.

http://nhsdeathrow.blogspot.co.uk/


I'm sorry Jill for you and your family. It must have been hell. 

They should make it mandatory that, when a doctor gives up on a patient, he refers them for a second opinion. 

 The practice of medicine has become so complicated and so vast, you cannot expect anymore even for a specialist to know all there is on the market. You see more and more subspecialisms develop, but even then there might be developments that is not known to that doctor.

There is so much hurt and missed chances out there. The first thing a doctor should learn is that he/she does not know it all. It should be woven into the treatment that when the current treating specialist is out of options, a patient is automatically referred to another center. Even a criminal on deathrow gets automatic appeals.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 29.08.15 18:16

Thank you all....but let's not forget this thread is about Hobs and her fight for her uncle. My story has been over for many years but I just wanted to let it be known that even the very top doctors get it dangerously 'wrong' - I don't believe for one minute that Sir Professor Bell got it wrong, he just wanted to save money and to reduce the waiting lists to meet government targets. It's not right at all. How many more people are dying and their families don't even realise the real reason why?

It was a terrible time in our lives - a race against the clock to get a life-saving operation which ruined our lives - and not something I would wish on anyone.

Hobs, if you think your doctor is wrong then please demand a second opinion.


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Post by Verdi on 29.08.15 22:28

@Get'emGonçalo wrote:
@snook wrote:Apologies,  I didn't re read and assumed cancer when I read stage 4. 
I don't have unswerving faith in the medical profession,  many of the drugs and treatments it pushes however I don't think it's right to read a few Google articles and think we can outsmart a professional who has reached consultant level. As for using the word telescope.  When an endoscope is a type of telescope.  Perhaps he uses it as some patients may not understand the technical words. Surely if he was such a goddam awful quack he'd have been out on his ear for all the death and disease he was wreaking?
I think Hobs is absolutely right to question him and do her own research.

As I said a few pages back a Sir Professor Peter Bell at Leicester Royal Infirmary diagnosed my husband with an inoperable aneursym and sent him home to die (to save money for the LRI) with less than 2 years to live and told me "not to allow him to get stressed". How do you stop a dying man from being stressed knowing his aneurysm could burst at any time?

I researched the whole world (almost having to sell our house to have the operation done in Chicago) and it took 18 months of those two years to fight the NHS to get him an operation here in Birmingham at the QE, the operation was successful (so not inoperable after all then Sir Professor?).

A consultant with a knighthood can get it dangerously wrong too.

http://nhsdeathrow.blogspot.co.uk/
Reading through the posts again, it seems to me there are two separate issues at stake here.  From your own sad experience, correct me if I'm wrong, you are not suggesting  professional incompetence per se but more governmental pressure preventing NHS hospitals from fulfilling their obligation to provide satisfactory health care the the public at large without political influence.  The same public that elect a government to look after their interests and the same government that do anything rather than represent the electorate.  In this respect who can blame you for researching alternatives to help a loved one but again in your particular case as I see it, you were fighting the system as opposed to specific medical staff.  Professional negligence perhaps rather than incompetence.

Hobs on the other hand makes it apparent that she is far from satisfied with the professional conduct of a specific consultant.  She opines that the consultant is incompetent, in which case as I previously suggested she should report him to the  appropriate authorities.  Here I have to agree with spooks, it's not a good idea as a lay-person, to go off googling a medical condition with a view to countering the diagnosis and treatment plan of a professional.  I've had similar arguments with people in the past (relative to the case of MBM) who think because they've google researched subjects such as forensics and law, they think that makes them an authority with carte-blanche to expound without restraint.

I think you're most certainly right when you urge Hobs to seek a second (or third) opinion but I also think Hobs should make a complaint about the consultant if she feels she's in a good position to justify an accusation of incompetence and/or malpractice.

The NHS is very much in need of a massive overhaul, although I do wonder if perhaps it's too late to save it from inevitable destruction.

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Post by Hobs on 29.08.15 22:55

I come from a family that have a medical background, i have also worked in a hospital, in a vets and finally in research.

When i google information i start with the universities that do medical research and then using those progress to medical papers released by professionals relating to the area of interest of concern to me as well as the more generalised areas to do with  renal failure, congestive heart failure etc
I was thown when he got a fungal infection of the liver as i had never heard of that.
Apprantly it is rare so consultants from all over the country were coming in to prod poke and discuss, it got even rarer when it turned out to have spread to his eyes.
This was a steep learning curve for everyone :)

The plus side is when the drs start using techy terms i know what the heck they are talking about, it also means when i read through my uncles notes i know what i am looking at and i can ask the right questions.

It is worth noting that when he was in icu the first time round, i and my 2 aunts knew what every single tube, machine, button and dial meant apart from one ( it was for his bowel movements as he was comatose)

It means also i know what i am looking at when i read through his notes and see the various marks, comments changes etc and, since uncle will lie through his teeth and minimise to get out of hospital, i can tell them what he is being deceptive about and chase them up on it.

This is also where statement analysis has its uses in that i know when someone is not being truthful and i will push till they tell the truth.

Regarding making an official complaint, this is on my to do list, i need to go through his more recent notes and compare  them to  all the discharges notes, blood results and all the other paperwork i have kept.

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Post by Verdi on 30.08.15 12:38

@Hobs wrote:I come from a family that have a medical background, i have also worked in a hospital, in a vets and finally in research.

When i google information i start with the universities that do medical research and then using those progress to medical papers released by professionals relating to the area of interest of concern to me as well as the more generalised areas to do with  renal failure, congestive heart failure etc
I was thown when he got a fungal infection of the liver as i had never heard of that.
Apprantly it is rare so consultants from all over the country were coming in to prod poke and discuss, it got even rarer when it turned out to have spread to his eyes.
This was a steep learning curve for everyone :)

The plus side is when the drs start using techy terms i know what the heck they are talking about, it also means when i read through my uncles notes i know what i am looking at and i can ask the right questions.

It is worth noting that when he was in icu the first time round, i and my 2 aunts knew what every single tube, machine, button and dial meant apart from one ( it was for his bowel movements as he was comatose)

It means also i know what i am looking at when i read through his notes and see the various marks, comments changes etc and, since uncle will lie through his teeth and minimise to get out of hospital, i can tell them what he is being deceptive about and chase them up on it.

This is also where statement analysis has its uses in that i know when someone is not being truthful and i will push till they tell the truth.

Regarding making an official complaint, this is on my to do list, i need to go through his more recent notes and compare  them to  all the discharges notes, blood results and all the other paperwork i have kept.
Thank you for taking the time to explain. 

Apologies if I've missed something on the way but have you been able to confirm that this consultant is THE Dr David Payne of Tapas9 fame?

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