Dr Martin Roberts: A crying shame
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Dr Martin Roberts: A crying shame
[size=7]EXCLUSIVE to mccannfiles.com
By Dr Martin Roberts
[size=7]02 July 2010
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Just when you think there's nothing more to add, that all of the inconsistencies have been thrashed out like grouse from the undergrowth, up pops another. Admittedly it's not totally new inasmuch as the topic in general has long since come to the media's, and hence public attention. However, the emergence of one extra, small, yet significant detail makes the overall picture just that little bit clearer.
For an en passant remark, adjudged (and so nearly dismissed) as whimsical, Madeleine McCann's question to her parents about why they didn't come when she was crying, must rank as one of the most widely reported quotes to have emerged from the McCann family's Portuguese holiday. It was reported by the McCanns themselves in their 'one year on' documentary of 30 April, 2008, and in their interview with Dermot Murhaghan for Sky News a day later. Further back in time it was repeated by Kate to Fiona Payne, Rachael Oldfield and Jayne Tanner on the evening of May 3, 2007 and by Kate and Gerry independently to the Portuguese police on the occasion of their initial interviews, as revealed by an apparent 'leak' to the media after a year had elapsed.
The bruhaha this 'leak' created when first reported arose on account of there being two implications entailed by the comment in question. The McCann stance was that the question was considered, with the benefit of hindsight, to be of potential significance, suggesting as it did that something or someone made Madeleine cry the night before she was reported missing. The alternative implication to be brought to the fore however was that Madeleine's crying, and hence Madeleine herself, was unattended for some time. This was the unspoken accusation which the McCanns' champion, Clarence Mitchell, stentoriously defended them against when answering questions put by to him by Anna Jones of Sky News, on 11 April, 2008. Clarence very helpfully confirmed that Rachael Oldfield, who happened to be in her own (adjoining) apartment that Wednesday night, heard no crying whatsoever, so slight and transient it must have been. When one considers that the partition walls within the Ocean Club complex are sufficiently insubstantial as to have allowed the Oldfields to hear their immediate neighbours in the shower, it seems rather to have been a case of 'silence is golden', i.e. Rachael Oldfield heard no crying, because there was no crying.
Already there is a chink in the curtains here. Had Madeleine been crying on the Wednesday night she would undoubtedly have been heard by Rachael Oldfield nearby, just as certainly as infant crying from 5A was heard by Mrs Fenn, resident in the apartment above, on the Tuesday night. And those episodes of retelling in hindsight? They took place at the dinner table on Thursday night, i.e. before Madeleine's absence had been noted. That is not hindsight at all, but foresight, the all-important observation being made to friends first, the police afterwards (by both parents on 4 May, Gerry again on 10 May, Kate once more on 6 September and Gerry on the 7th).
We see this particular chink widening further, with the uncovering of a witness statement by Leicestershire Police Officer Stephen Markley, made on 25 April, 2008, in relation to his activities as family communication officer while working in Portugal with the McCanns. The key aspect (for present purposes) of his statement is as follows:
"However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.
"One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening."
There is something distinctly unsettling about the McCanns' various bouts of selective amnesia in relation to events surrounding their daughter's as yet unexplained absence from apartment 5A (an unsubstantiated hypothesis, even one of abduction, is not an explanation). When interviewed for Spanish broadcaster Antena 3 they were each unable to offer up any recollection of their last sighting of Madeleine. And yet they attached such importance to one off-hand comment by her, a comment latterly reported as having no importance at all for the child herself, that they repeated it to several friends, and then, on several occasions, the Portuguese Police. They have, as we know from the intervention of their professional mouthpiece, vigorously refuted the implication of child abandonment, whilst publicly expressing the view that it is the implication of some unidentified intruder which drove them to alert the PJ to Madeleine's unusual tale of crying. These are the obvious alternatives. But there is a third, rather less obvious motive to consider; one which might offer a more convincing justification for the McCanns seeking to 'over-egg the pudding' than their calling attention to the possibility of prowlers in a sleepy holiday complex.
On the face of it there's nothing unusual about the McCanns 'wanting the PJ to be aware' of Madeleine's revelation concerning the Wednesday night. It's only when this desire is set against the fact that they had already (4 May) twice told the PJ themselves about the incident, that their request to Officer Markley on the 5th appears overly insistent.
It is noteworthy that, in terms of recollection, Wednesday 2 May in Praia da Luz represents something of a 'black hole' as far as the McCanns and their friends are concerned. We might then ask ourselves this question: As a bare minimum, what does Madeleine's mention of her being unattended confirm? Simply that she was able to refer to it subsequently. If 'the night before' is assumed to have been the Wednesday then the conversation in question can only have taken place on the Thursday morning, and Madeleine was in a position to be 'taken' that night. But there was no crying on the Wednesday to speak of, so why would Madeleine have spoken about it? Or are we to suppose she was referring to the Tuesday? (I ask you, does a 3/4 - year-old carry such issues forward over 30 hours? Certain adolescents of my acquaintance have difficulty in remembering something for 30 minutes).
What stands out most from this determination to bring Madeleine's transient unease to everyone's attention, is that Madeleine herself is portrayed as having drawn attention to it, on the Thursday, from which one is invited to conclude that she must have been in a position so to do - on the Thursday. Hence, verbal 'signs of life', promulgated, of course, by the McCanns, as was the untruth about 'jemmied shutters.'
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“Alright. Do you recall on the Tuesday night, I believe, Madeleine crying or somebody from the McCANN’s apartment crying?”
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“I thought that was Wednesday night. You see, I mean, I only knew about that because on Thursday night Kate had said, erm, as we were chatting at the table ‘Oh’, you know, ‘I wonder’, you know, ‘what’, ‘what she cried about’ or, you know, she’d asked Madeleine, erm, because I think Madeleine had said something ‘Where were you mummy, me and Sean cried’ and, you know, ‘where were you’ and that had obviously worried Kate and she couldn’t get anything more out of Madeleine, Madeleine had sort of moved on and, you know, didn’t say anything more than that and wouldn’t say, you know, whether she’d heard anything or been woken up or whether she had just woken up herself”
1485
“Yeah”.
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“So that was on her mind”.
1485
“Right. So Kate told you that that happened on the Wednesday?”
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“Well she told me about it on the Thursday”.
1485
“Told you on the Thursday, yeah”.
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“So, yeah, thinking now, I just was thinking it was the Wednesday night”.
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1485
“But you can’t remember whether she said it was Wednesday night that it happened?”
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“No, I can’t say that she said it was the night before”.
1485
“Right”.
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“But I know I heard about it on the Thursday night when we were sat, sat down”.
1485
“Did you hear any shouting or crying at all?”
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“No”.
1485
“No”.
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“I mean, I know, I mean, there was lots of, you know, at bedtime there was lots of children’s noise, kids crying, because sort of kids do, but”.
1485
“Uh hu”.
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“Erm, I never heard any crying after they’d gone down”.
1485
“Alright”.
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“Not even, you know, not even in the middle of the night or, you know, erm, we never heard anything”.
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this phrase:
Madeleine had sort of moved on
Is the exact same phrase that KM uses in her interviews, strange that two people would use the same phrase, why would a child ask a question and then "move on" Would she not have said there was a strange man in the room, or we were frightened etc. If you were so worried as to tell your friends about it and also the police later, it begs the question why did they not persue it with Madeleine, and why leave her the next day?

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“Just going back to your meal, where you say that Kate spoke about, this is probably a little bit out of synch”.
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“Yeah”.
1485
“But you said that Kate told you about Madeleine waking up?”
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“Yeah”.
1485
“And you couldn’t remember, you didn’t, you weren’t sure whether it was the night before?”
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“Yeah”.
1485
“Or, you know, the night before that?”
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“Yeah”.
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“What were the circumstances regarding her telling you that?”
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“She did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying ‘Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or’, erm, ‘or locking it and, you know, finding that we’re not there and the door’s locked if she woke up’, because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh”.
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“So she asked you what your thoughts were regarding locking?”
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“Yeah”.
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“Did she say whether she had locked or?”
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“No, that was the point, I think they said they’d left it, well she’d said she’d left it unlocked”.
1485
“Left the patio?”
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“And she felt a bit nervous about it but Gerry, Gerry had sort of said ‘Oh it will be fine’, you know. But she was obviously, because it wasn’t something she was quite easy with, that’s the way it came across, you know, but, but Gerry said, you know, ‘It’ll be fine. It’ll be fine’. Because I don’t imagine she would have said anything otherwise if it hadn’t been on her mind. And the fact was she, she, you know, commented on it being really strange that, that Madeleine had said this about waking up and them not being there and she’d mentioned that in the context of that conversation”.
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“And can you remember exactly what she said that Madeleine had said?”
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“Tut, just words such as, erm, ‘Sean and I woke up and we were crying mummy and where were you’”.
1485
“Okay. Did she say what she said to Madeleine after that?”
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“No, I think, it was more, the conversation was more Kate said she was trying to get more out of Madeleine, but as kids are, you know, they sort of move on and she wouldn’t really, she couldn’t really get out of her what had caused her to wake up or, or, erm, you know, whether she’d just woken up anyway and, you know, she never, never got that out of Madeleine”.
01.17.29
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“And what did you say?”
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“She didn’t seem frightened or anything, I mean, that is what Kate did say, you know, it wasn’t something that had frightened Madeleine. I said, in the context of the holiday, I guess I just said ‘Oh I’m sure they’ll be fine’”.
1485
“Right”.
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“Much to my regret”.
1485
“Was that the early part of, I mean, because you have only got a window of about an hour really, haven’t you, in between, you know, you sitting down and Kate going and raising the alarm?”
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“Yeah”.
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“So”.
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“It was fairly early on in that evening”.
1485
“Fairly early?”
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“Yeah, yeah”.
1485
“Could it have been the time that Gerry had gone to do the checking and then subsequently ran into Jez, could it have been around about that time?”
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“I couldn’t say, I mean, you know, I’d say it was in the first half of the evening”.
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“Yeah. Is there anything else that you can remember about that conversation?”
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“No, as I say, it just strikes me, in awful retrospect, that, you know, Kate, I think, had done something that she wasn’t quite happy with, in leaving the doors unlocked. And that is something again that she is going to beat herself up about for a long time to come because, you know, you, you like think that you acted on your instincts and I think her instinct was that that was something she wasn’t really happy to do”.
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candyfloss wrote:Yet another very good piece from this author. It has never failed to amaze me that any parent would be so worried as to tell the police about this alleged crying, that they were worried it might have been the abductor who abandoned his plans that night, and then still go out the next day and leave the children on their own. Unbelievable!!![]()
In an unlocked apartment so that, according to Kate, Madeleine could find them if she woke up and went looking for them

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quote Fiona Payne:
Kate, I think, had done something that she wasn’t quite happy with, in leaving the doors unlocked. And that is something again that she is going to beat herself up about for a long time to come
Thanks Autumn, it has been so long since I read these I had forgotten some of the points

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The post below is in fact from Worriedmum and this is the video of the Sky interview Dr. Roberts refers to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=QCMNWg0fE5Y&NR=1
Sky interviews, something apparently insignificant bugged me from the first time I saw the video. Kate is being asked about the'crying incident' and looks less than pleased to have to repeat the story.
If you watch at about 1;50-1;55 minutes in, she says 'not just to MUMMY by the way.' She is clearly miffed.
WHY is she so very keen to spread the blame around? WHY is she trying to drop Gerry in it as well. And , strangest of all, from my point of view, is HOW ON EARTH DOES SPREADING OF BLAME FIT WITH THE DAMAGE -LIMITATION EXERCISE WHEN WE KNOW THAT MRS FENN SAID SHE HEARD 'DADDY DADDY FOR ONE A HALF HOURS?
NOT JUST TO MUMMY?
DADDY DADDY?
Is this some version of the truth leaking out? Any thoughts?
Unquote.
Kate also looks persistently to her left, the direction the brain wants to go when making it up...
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'Sacrificia'l revelations
This supposed statement by Madeleine is wrong at all levels. Like I say, I believe it's a calculated (and desperate) trade off sacrificIng public horror and condemnation ("how COULD you have left them again especially if the abductor had already been casing the joint...?") for the impression that Madeleine was alive on the morning of 3rd May.
If indeed that is what is going on here then the attention falls on May 2nd and the Fenn statement assumes proper importance.
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