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Missing from Idaho campsite - Deorr Kunz Jr

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Missing from Idaho campsite - Deorr Kunz Jr

Post by sammyc on 18.07.15 10:45

Search continues for toddler who vanished from Idaho campsite last week as police reveal chance he was abducted is 'remote

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3165519/Police-continue-search-toddler-disappeared-Idaho-campsite.html


Family members were the last to see him but not being named as suspects. Parents claiming abduction very early on yet the little lad could have simply wandered off. Deorr jr doesn't go anywhere without his blanket or soft toy, parents don't look too distraught judging from the unedited youtube video.
Reminds me another couple whose child has vanished into thin air. Hope the little boy is found.

https://youtu.be/mwM1oG3z358

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Post by jeanmonroe on 18.07.15 11:54



'Dad' at 1 min 42 secs..............'he was right there WITH us'

IF 'he was right there with us' how come he's not 'there' now?

They later says 'we were 50 yards/ ('dad') 10 minutes ('mum')... 'away'

So he WASN'T 'right there' with them, was he?

'Dad' at 3  minutes 30 secs.........'the helicopter'..........is designed for a lot WORSE 'situations' than THIS'

WHAT 'situation' could possibly be WORSE than 'THIS', your child going 'missing'?

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Re: Missing from Idaho campsite - Deorr Kunz Jr

Post by jeanmonroe on 18.07.15 11:58



WHO was the (very) LAST 'person' to SEE little boy BEFORE 'he disappears'?

GM has admitted, publicly, that HE was the very last person to see Madeleine BEFORE she 'disappeared'

42-47 'secs' 50 yards (dad) or 10 'minutes' away (mum)?

Hmmmm.

6 mins 10 secs parents 'we will take a lie detector test'

That's a good thing, innit?

Just 'noticed', right at end, 'donations' (Fundraiser, $1,305, to 'date') to 'find' boy.

Hmmm.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 18.07.15 11:59


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Post by jeanmonroe on 18.07.15 12:01


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Post by jeanmonroe on 18.07.15 12:03



'abducted'

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Post by jeanmonroe on 20.07.15 11:54

ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE 'RESULTS' OF THE LIE 'DETECTOR' TESTS, THEY (the parents) SAID THEY'D TAKE, WERE?

Did the great Grand father, and his  'friend', also 'take' lie detector 'tests'?

Ah, just 'read' the parents and 'family' are still at camp 'site' so, presumeably. NO 'lie detector' tests, yet.

http://q13fox.com/2015/07/19/one-week-later-no-sign-of-missing-idaho-2-year-old-deorr-kunz/

http://q13fox.com/2015/07/14/vigil-held-for-idaho-boy-2-missing-for-four-days-sheriff-rules-out-possible-lead/

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Post by MRNOODLES on 21.07.15 15:43

So grandfather is 70 and has breathing/health problems.  So it's been implied he's not physically capable of making the poor tot vanish.  But nothing much has been said about the family friend.

We have anyway two pairs of people, parents & grandfather/friend each saying, 'I thought the lad was with you'.  That's how I read it.  So obviously, to me anyway.  He hasn't wandered off or they would've found him by now.  So somebody must be lying...imo of course.  Otherwise what's the chances, the split second everybody takes their eye of the lad a phantom appears and whisks him away.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.07.15 16:13

@MRNOODLES wrote:So grandfather is 70 and has breathing/health problems.  So it's been implied he's not physically capable of making the poor tot vanish.  But nothing much has been said about the family friend.

We have anyway two pairs of people, parents & grandfather/friend each saying, 'I thought the lad was with you'.  That's how I read it.  So obviously, to me anyway.  He hasn't wandered off or they would've found him by now.  So somebody must be lying...imo of course.  Otherwise what's the chances, the split second everybody takes their eye of the lad a phantom appears and whisks him away.

Otherwise what's the chances, the split second everybody takes their eye of the lad a phantom appears and whisks him away?
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Post by jeanmonroe on 21.07.15 16:17

Have they done those lie 'detector' tests, they said they WOULD, yet?

That would put THEM 'right in the clear', wouldn't it?




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Post by Angelique on 21.07.15 17:07

The father used the words "there wasn't a stone left unturned" - not good IMO.

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Post by PeterMac on 21.07.15 17:27

http://www.examiner.com/article/police-troubled-by-speculations-missing-idaho-toddler-deorr-kunz-jr-case?
Investigating police are troubled by speculations in the missing Idaho toddler Deorr Kunz Jr., case, saidKLEW CBS 3 July 17. Accusations have been made online about family members. It's been eight days since mom Jessica Mitchell and dad Deorr Kunz Sr., last saw their towheaded 2-year-old son at a campsite in rural Leadore, Idaho. At first it was thought Deorr had wandered off. Parents thought grandpa was watching him and grandpa thought Deorr was with parents at a creek. So nobody was watching the boy for a four-minute period of time and he disappeared. But an extensive search has yielded little and parents have concluded that he was abducted.

Facebook, Twitter and social media have been flooded with images of the child. There is no amber alert on Deorr--Lehmi County Sheriff said the case doesn't fit the amber alert criteria. There are Facebook groups asking for information on the missing baby. Not all social media attention has been all helpful however. The public has been speculating on what happened to baby Deorr and it's making things worse for searchers and the family.

Deputy Chief Steve Penner says there's there's a lot of "innuendo on social media concerning the family." He stated categorically that the sheriff's department has interviewed them and is comfortable with the information provided. Penner says people shouldn't jump to conclusions and lay of the discussion as the parents and family need some space. If anyone has information--not vague ideas or suggestions--they should contact the sheriff's department directly. It should not be posted online. Further, it's not helpful for anyone to go looking for the boy. It throws the dogs off the scent.

Police say that public should leave them to their work. They've never stopped looking and want to find him as much as anyone. The National Association of Missing and Exploited Children is assisting as well as the Salmon Police Department. Investigators focused on the Stone Creek Reservoir when cadaver dogs found traces of the scent there. It's half mile from where Deorr was reported missing. Divers are still looking but have found nothing yet. Meanwhile Kunz Sr., and Mitchell refuse the leave the campsite. Investigators scoured it but also found nothing. Mitchell has been clinging to her little boy's blanket and both parents cling to hope that he will be returned.
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Re: Missing from Idaho campsite - Deorr Kunz Jr

Post by MRNOODLES on 21.07.15 17:55

'Towheaded'... I had to look that word up.

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Post by FH on 21.07.15 18:27

This looks like a fairly classic example of a child going missing in the wilderness.

There are large clusters of missing people from America's national Parks. The majority are children, people with learning difficulties , or the elderly, so vulnerable people.

They often vanish having been out  of sight on a trail for a minute or two. If remains are found, they are often some distance away from where the person went missing.

Children get distracted by butterflies, birds,  animals, or even just the adventure and wander off and get disoriented. There are many hazards in the wilderness. Predators like mountain lions, bob cats, lynx, wolves, bears, coyotes, fisher cats, domestic dogs  and of course, other humans. There is rough terrain, poisonous plants/berries and water ....

I don't know if these parents had anything to do with the disappearance, but I think it is sad that the McCann case has made us so distrustful of everyone.

If the dogs found his scent near the reservoir, but there is no sign of him, then it is possible he wandered off and had an accident, or  was taken by something, or someone.

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Post by sammi1967 on 21.07.15 19:38

This doesn't sit well with me at all. Maybe as another poster said we are all too cynical now but it doesn't look or feel right imo. Was I mistaken or did the mother smile when asked about the supposrt they had recieved?

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Post by MRNOODLES on 21.07.15 21:04

@FH wrote:This looks like a fairly classic example of a child going missing in the wilderness.

There are large clusters of missing people from America's national Parks. The majority are children, people with learning difficulties , or the elderly, so vulnerable people.

They often vanish having been out  of sight on a trail for a minute or two. If remains are found, they are often some distance away from where the person went missing.

Children get distracted by butterflies, birds,  animals, or even just the adventure and wander off and get disoriented. There are many hazards in the wilderness. Predators like mountain lions, bob cats, lynx, wolves, bears, coyotes, fisher cats, domestic dogs  and of course, other humans. There is rough terrain, poisonous plants/berries and water ....

I don't know if these parents had anything to do with the disappearance, but I think it is sad that the McCann case has made us so distrustful of everyone.

If the dogs found his scent near the reservoir, but there is no sign of him, then it is possible he wandered off and had an accident, or  was taken by something, or someone.

Supposing he was taken by a bear or something, surely items of clothing would've been found, plus tracker dogs would've picked the scent up.

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Post by Hobs on 21.07.15 21:34

There are redflags in the dad's statements, the mom however from what we have heard in the 911 call and interviews currently indicates for truthfullness and is not involved.

The 911 call and interviews are being covered on Peter Hyatt's site

More statements are needed to come to a definite conclusion>

The sensitivities in the dad can be down to guilty or guilty knowledge of the crime, guilt relating to something else such as guilt for choosing the place/leaving him with the grandfather, guilt relating to something else such as a different crime, guilt relating to something else such as infidelity or financial problems

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/statement-analysis-deorres-parents.html

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/part-two-of-deorre-analysis.html

The father shows a lot of sensitivity relating to the truck, he is praising LE and the searchers which is unexpected in that the child has not been found, his call to 911 is odd.

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Post by PeterMac on 21.07.15 22:05

http://www.examiner.com/article/missing-idaho-toddler-deorr-kunz-jr-case-takes-odd-turns-still-no-amber-alert?

It's been almost 12 days since the missing Idaho toddler Deorr Kunz Jr., first disappeared from the family campsite at Timber Creek/Stone Reservoir in rural Leadore, Idaho, reported WIDK News 8 July 20. The Kunz case has taken some odd turns. Lemhi County Sheriff's officers announced Monday that they are cutting back on search efforts for 2-year-old Deorr. They will maintain a presence, but authorities say they are "redirecting" investigations. As the area has been entirely scoured, they haven't said what lines of inquiry are left.

Police said they haven't ruled out that the boy may have been attacked by wild animals. But despite using numerous search resources, not one scrap of evidence was found. Helicopters, divers, side scan sonar, scent dogs, cadaver dogs, horses, ATVs and 300-some people have tracked the boy. A grid was made of the entire area and the reservoir, creek, camp and hillsides were combed.

Deorr went missing after his parents left to go to the nearby creek. They thought Deorr's grandfather (or great-grandfather) was watching him. When they returned, Kunz Sr. asked where his son was. The grandfather thought Deorr had gone to the creek with his parents. In the 10 minutes they were gone, Deorr disappeared. At first it was thought that he'd wandered off but in such a short time, a toddler couldn't likely get too far. The area was very rocky and if he had, Deorr would likely have been injured somehow. Dogs would have picked up the scent. But they only picked up traces near the reservoir where divers found nothing. Professionals say forensically, people don't disappear without a trace. There is no evidence of Deorr-- hair, blood, clothing, nothing.

Police say there's also the possibility Deorr was abducted. But no other campers, besides the boy's family were in the area. There was only one other person there, a friend of the grandfather's whom not much has been said about. Police have repeatedly assured everyone that they don't suspect Deorr's parents, Jessica Mitchell or Deorr Kunz Sr. Police said earlier that they have interviewed the family and are satisfied with the story. No lie detector tests were given, but the parents volunteered to take them. Mitchell and Kunz Jr., believe their son was taken but an Amber Alert has never been issued. Investigators say Deorr's disappearance doesn't fit the criteria.

The Lemhi County Sheriff's office asks the public to report any information to the Idaho Fusion Center at 208 846-7676. They may call the Lemhi County Sheriff’s Office at 208 756-8980. Police have asked that people refrain from posting information or speculating on the case on Facebook or social media.

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 21.07.15 22:22

This case is lacking any useful info. Probably deliberately so by the police. US states vary from being quite up front to not giving any info at all.

I haven't seen any independent evidence that the poor kid was even there.

When was the last confirmed sighting of this boy before they reached the campsite that wasn't one of the four adults with him?

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Post by Amy Dean on 22.07.15 8:18

I wondered too if there were any independent sightings.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 22.07.15 12:47

Police have repeatedly assured everyone that they don't suspect Deorr's parents, Jessica Mitchell or Deorr Kunz Sr. Police said earlier that they have interviewed the family and are satisfied with the story. No lie detector tests were given, but the parents volunteered to take them.
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Hmmm.

So, more police, are 'satisfied' by what they have ONLY 'been TOLD' by the very last persons, to have 'seen' the 'missing' child?

As the parents have 'volunteered' to take lie detector 'tests', WHY have the police 'passed up' this er, 'opportunity' to do them?

The police have 'asked' for 'speculation' to end!

A lie detector test, (negative 'result' ergo 'truthful' ) by the last, three family members, and 'friend' to have 'seen' the child, would END all 'speculation' in it's tracks, wouldn't it?

thinking

WHY 'WOULDN'T' the police 'use' all available (lie detector) 'means' at their disposal, to confirm the 'family' are NOT being 'deceptive'?

Instead of just 'taking their word' for what 'happened'?

I suppose the police in Idaho, in their experience, have NEVER been 'lied to' before, by 'ANYONE', EVER.!

'DEMAND' TO TAKE THE LIE DETECTOR 'TESTS', Kunz 'family'!






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Post by MRNOODLES on 22.07.15 14:52

Lie detectors just aren't as good as some think.  

Good liars can quite easily beat them.  A potential case could be messed up if,  all evidence points to 'a suspect' but 'a suspect' has beaten a lie dectector.  Even the lie detector experts say they're not 100% accurate.

Just my opinion.

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Post by comperedna on 22.07.15 15:18

Lie detectors simply are not consisdered reliable in the UK, and they are not used in the justice system.  I understand the USA considers their value differently. Here they are seen fit merely for use on the likes of the Jeremy Kyle show!

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Post by plebgate on 22.07.15 15:49

@comperedna wrote:Lie detectors simply are not consisdered reliable in the UK, and they are not used in the justice system.  I understand the USA considers their value differently. Here they are seen fit merely for use on the likes of the Jeremy Kyle show!
Things are moving in the UK re. lie detector tests.   They cannot be used in court, but the probation service are using them and they seem to have been successful.

I believe a lie detector test halts public speculation even if not admissible in a court of law.

Link  -  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sex-offenders-face-lie-detector-1150666

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Post by FH on 22.07.15 16:03

http://www.localnews8.com/news/new-details-on-search-for-deorr-kunz-jr/34281340

This article says sheriff does not consider the parents to be suspects at this time. It also says they have taken a polygraph, results not yet released to the public. I assume the results  have been released to the sheriff.

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